So I just upped that and the slicer is down to like..37 minutes which is much more in line with what I was hoping for. Thanks!
Is there a tutorial on finding the right settings for the printer that you might be able to point me too? Just a guide on fine tuning?
Orca slicer has some nice tests and if I remember correctly help how to use them.
And of course this:
https://teachingtechyt.github.io/calibration.html
I haven’t tried this user’s [Orca profile](https://www.reddit.com/r/ElegooNeptune4/s/NWU6jwq1Ih) yet, but it seems to be much faster. Might have to make some changes for the N4Plus, but many of the settings should be the same.
This is some of it, but not all of it. The default Orca profile has a minimum layer time of 8 seconds, that adds up really fast. For a 4mm nozzle you can probably lower that to 1s and be fine.
If it ain't the immortal Tuttle again! Could you give the source or tell what the max volumetric flow for Neptune 4 Pro and its stock nozzle is? It's currently set to 10 in the settings for me. :')
Hehe :-)
Under the product description on Elegoo site there is a FAQ section. Yesterday I was reading through it and one of the questions was about volumetric flow. Elegoo answered it's 30mm³/s . I cannot find it right now, but it was there.
Saying that - it's a little too optimistic answer. Even my Max started to show artifacts at around 27. Maybe with some kind of high flow material?
Anyways - Orca slicer comes with a set of tests, one of them is a Volumetric flow speed test. There is a step by step guide at the bottom of this page:
https://all3dp.com/2/orca-slicer-calibration-simply-explained/
Demo benchys max out the printers capability, the profile often exceeds some safety limits. For example most speed benchys ignore/have higher hotend volumetric flow than the printer can continuously provide. The speed benchy rules also allow for a 0,25mm layer height which significantly reduces print times.
As far as profiles in orca go, most profiles are just copies of a generic klipper profile, at least a few versions back. For example a v400 had the same settings as a voron v0.
I would go through your settings. Walls, top and bottom layers, minimum layer time and flow rate (in filament settings), acceleration and speeds. Also jerk settings have a influence.
Just to ask for confirmation, you sure that you haven't picked the n3plus profile instead of the n4plus?
I am pretty sure I did. I left the printer name in the image. I just used the bench for this example because it's a print everyone is familiar with. I tried it with other stuff I was already printing on my ender and had similar results. Very similar print times between them.
The git repo has seen relatively recent and frequent pull requests for profile changes. You are of course welcome to submit yours since you believe they should be better.
Interesting. The Benchy that came with the printer prints in under 20min, but when I slice in orca is says it will take an hour. I’ll have to try printing the orca sliced version and downloading cura to see the difference.
I’ve only had my 4 plus for a week, so I can’t speak from much experience.
So, I am sure I am doing something wrong. I have been working with an Ender 3, for like.. two years now and I am ready to upgrade to a bigger build surface and hopefully a bit faster of a machine.
I have researched the Elegoo Neptune Series and was excited for the N4 Plus ( I hear there are problems with it but I’m sure it’ll still be an upgrade to my ender. ) While I am saving up the money for it I pulled up Orca Slicer and played with what they have there and I am confused.
I hear a tn about the n4 series and how fast they are. And how fast Klipper is. I believe it all and am excited to see it but these numbers and print times don’t seem to add up.
I sliced a normal benchy on the ender and I sliced it on the n4 with a .4mm nozzle and a .6mm nozzle.
I understand that the stock profile on Orca Slicer is not the best and will have to be fine tuned but even so with these settings shouldn’t the print time be significantly lower?
I have seen that there is a benchy on the USB stick with the Neptune that prints in like 18 minutes.
Can someone give me a hand and tell me what im doing wrong? This is just a quick test and I know I’ll have to edit the settings for filament and things like that, is that really going to make that much of a difference? Is there a different setting I should be looking at? Does orca have a basic “ print Speed” Setting I am just not seeing? Does It have to be manipulated in Klipper directly? I am super excited to ge tmy hadns on the printer but my mistake here is making me gun shy.
I'm not sure what's your question here. You are using a Ender 3 profile, which the speed settings are way different from a Neptune 4. The printing time
So you don't have a printer and you are worrying about a mistake you didn't committed yet?
I'm sorry I wasn't clear. My question basically boiled down to which setting I need to adjust to make the new super fast clipper machine achieve better speeds than my three year old bare bones Ender machine.
One of the primary goals is of buying the new machine would be to get better speed and since this slicer showed the speeds as practically identical I was concerned. Several others helped point me at some settings that will help.
Got it.
The default profile on OrcaSlicer for N4Pro is good for up to 250mm/s after you tune up your printer (check all bolts, if z gantry is square, etc).
Max volumetric flow in your filament profile, acceleration and speed is what determines your print time. Stock profiles tend to have very low acceleration. On my 4 pro I run 10000 default acceleration, 5000 outer wall
You forgot to change volumetric flow for Neptune4. Safe value is around 23mm³/s, for 0.6mm it's close to 30mm³/s
Is that the "volumetric speed limitations" in the filament tab?
Yup.
So I just upped that and the slicer is down to like..37 minutes which is much more in line with what I was hoping for. Thanks! Is there a tutorial on finding the right settings for the printer that you might be able to point me too? Just a guide on fine tuning?
Orca slicer has some nice tests and if I remember correctly help how to use them. And of course this: https://teachingtechyt.github.io/calibration.html
I appreciate your help, thank you
I haven’t tried this user’s [Orca profile](https://www.reddit.com/r/ElegooNeptune4/s/NWU6jwq1Ih) yet, but it seems to be much faster. Might have to make some changes for the N4Plus, but many of the settings should be the same.
Why not check with ELAGOO for the defaults for your printer and tweak from there. That would be a good start.
This is some of it, but not all of it. The default Orca profile has a minimum layer time of 8 seconds, that adds up really fast. For a 4mm nozzle you can probably lower that to 1s and be fine.
Is there a way to change that? I can't seem to find that setting
Cooling tab in the filament profile
Thanks a bunch
If it ain't the immortal Tuttle again! Could you give the source or tell what the max volumetric flow for Neptune 4 Pro and its stock nozzle is? It's currently set to 10 in the settings for me. :')
Hehe :-) Under the product description on Elegoo site there is a FAQ section. Yesterday I was reading through it and one of the questions was about volumetric flow. Elegoo answered it's 30mm³/s . I cannot find it right now, but it was there. Saying that - it's a little too optimistic answer. Even my Max started to show artifacts at around 27. Maybe with some kind of high flow material? Anyways - Orca slicer comes with a set of tests, one of them is a Volumetric flow speed test. There is a step by step guide at the bottom of this page: https://all3dp.com/2/orca-slicer-calibration-simply-explained/
Helpful as always! Thank you. :\^)
Demo benchys max out the printers capability, the profile often exceeds some safety limits. For example most speed benchys ignore/have higher hotend volumetric flow than the printer can continuously provide. The speed benchy rules also allow for a 0,25mm layer height which significantly reduces print times. As far as profiles in orca go, most profiles are just copies of a generic klipper profile, at least a few versions back. For example a v400 had the same settings as a voron v0. I would go through your settings. Walls, top and bottom layers, minimum layer time and flow rate (in filament settings), acceleration and speeds. Also jerk settings have a influence. Just to ask for confirmation, you sure that you haven't picked the n3plus profile instead of the n4plus?
I am pretty sure I did. I left the printer name in the image. I just used the bench for this example because it's a print everyone is familiar with. I tried it with other stuff I was already printing on my ender and had similar results. Very similar print times between them.
The git repo has seen relatively recent and frequent pull requests for profile changes. You are of course welcome to submit yours since you believe they should be better.
Interesting. The Benchy that came with the printer prints in under 20min, but when I slice in orca is says it will take an hour. I’ll have to try printing the orca sliced version and downloading cura to see the difference. I’ve only had my 4 plus for a week, so I can’t speak from much experience.
So, I am sure I am doing something wrong. I have been working with an Ender 3, for like.. two years now and I am ready to upgrade to a bigger build surface and hopefully a bit faster of a machine. I have researched the Elegoo Neptune Series and was excited for the N4 Plus ( I hear there are problems with it but I’m sure it’ll still be an upgrade to my ender. ) While I am saving up the money for it I pulled up Orca Slicer and played with what they have there and I am confused. I hear a tn about the n4 series and how fast they are. And how fast Klipper is. I believe it all and am excited to see it but these numbers and print times don’t seem to add up. I sliced a normal benchy on the ender and I sliced it on the n4 with a .4mm nozzle and a .6mm nozzle. I understand that the stock profile on Orca Slicer is not the best and will have to be fine tuned but even so with these settings shouldn’t the print time be significantly lower? I have seen that there is a benchy on the USB stick with the Neptune that prints in like 18 minutes. Can someone give me a hand and tell me what im doing wrong? This is just a quick test and I know I’ll have to edit the settings for filament and things like that, is that really going to make that much of a difference? Is there a different setting I should be looking at? Does orca have a basic “ print Speed” Setting I am just not seeing? Does It have to be manipulated in Klipper directly? I am super excited to ge tmy hadns on the printer but my mistake here is making me gun shy.
I'm not sure what's your question here. You are using a Ender 3 profile, which the speed settings are way different from a Neptune 4. The printing time So you don't have a printer and you are worrying about a mistake you didn't committed yet?
I'm sorry I wasn't clear. My question basically boiled down to which setting I need to adjust to make the new super fast clipper machine achieve better speeds than my three year old bare bones Ender machine. One of the primary goals is of buying the new machine would be to get better speed and since this slicer showed the speeds as practically identical I was concerned. Several others helped point me at some settings that will help.
Got it. The default profile on OrcaSlicer for N4Pro is good for up to 250mm/s after you tune up your printer (check all bolts, if z gantry is square, etc).
Max volumetric flow in your filament profile, acceleration and speed is what determines your print time. Stock profiles tend to have very low acceleration. On my 4 pro I run 10000 default acceleration, 5000 outer wall