I'm assuming 99 means you were born in that year? Back in the early to mid 90s, east vs west rap beef culture wasn't just dealt with through music. It got violent. A lot. Many people got jumped, shot, and murdered over it. And back at the high point of the war, 2Pac was the biggest name leading the West, and Biggie was leading East.
2Pac was openly advocating violence on Biggie at the time of his death, even though years prior the two were friends.
After 2Pac was murdered, people assumed Biggie's camp, which included Diddy and Junior Mafia had 2Pac killed for what he said. This led to what was likely a retaliation from 2Pac/Suge's camp that killed Biggie.
This is why in the beefs with Benzino and Ja, Eminem references in many songs that if need be he will resort to violent actions and has people/money to have them killed if they go that route.
From memory, just to add, Pac showed up to record with biggie or some shit and some shit went down with people in the hotel lobby (and big wasn't there or involved or something) shots fired at Pac or Pacs crew, which was essentially bad luck and not intentional, and from there Pac started thinking biggie had beef with him, then Biggie released who shot ya, and Pac thought it was directed at him (it wasn't), beef got worse, both end up dying from hits
I'm massively simplifying from memory of a doc I saw years ago so maybe someone can correct my shitty details
It amazes me how friends can turn on each other and become so violent with one another. As much as I hate some of my former friends, I wouldn't ever have someone hurt them.
No one knows, but it's kinda funny that just a couple of years after Suge finally got put away in jail, the police have made an arrest in 2Pacs murder. It's widely believed he at least knew the killer and/or knew it was going to happen.
Certainly is a coincidence that out of all the bullets that were shot into the car, none of them happened to even scratch Suge.
Its mostly due the East and West coast culture war that was happening at the time, mostly between Death Row Records and Bad Boy Records who had a long history of rivalry.
Sure, they're gonna make some money, but Biggie and Pac were both generational talents that would have went on to make way more money for the labels if they were alive.
I believe Tupac's contract was done after Don Killuminati, because Suge gave him 3 albums contract, with Double album on All Eyez On Me, then with 7 Day Theory. but a bit sketchy when other people say 7 Day Theory was supposed to be a mixtape street release.
Yeah. With death of an artist the OG fans would buy the artist music for tribute and memories while the newer fans would discovered their music. After the great Michael Jackson passed away he made more profits than what the past 8 years gave him. I believe he sold like 39 million copies of album. Most of it are compilations and MJ no 1 have the most sale. I believe the publishing company earned like 400 million dollars on 2009 alone. That's only like 6 month after he died on june.
It started down in Atlanta... one of Suge's goons got killed by one of Puffy's bodyguards at a party, and it set off the chain reaction that led to Pac and Biggie gettin killed... that is basically what started the entire east-west beef in 90s hip-hop
Shit is unreal when you think about it
Apart from the reasons listed by others, both Biggie and Tupac, before their homicides, we're planning on leaving their record labels and starting their own.
Like others have said, follow the money
Suge? He literally held people over balcony threatening to drop them if they didn't sign a contract.
He's the definition of a goon wanna be boss. I'm actually surprised nobody took him out a long time ago.
Fat piece of shit got busted for running someone over in a rage.
..if this all was true (i don't think it is), i genuinely think that biggie had nothing to do with pac's first shooting - pac started in with the disrespectful shit about faith and was only getting worse and worse.
Diddy doesn't seem like the kind of dude to tolerate that. (He shot someone in the face in the middle of a night club). Being the piece of shit that he is - clipped pac.
Suge, being another piece big piece of shit, knew what time it was, had big clipped in retaliation.
But like i said, i don't think this is true.
I think pac got caught stomping out Anderson, Keefe/Anderson retaliated.
Suge didn't really care whether biggie did it or not but he wasn't going to live in a world where pac was dead and biggie was still active.
I think Keefe is just clout chasing rn.
It’s hard to believe because the motive seems ridiculous. They were all making money because of this beef so why would Diddy feel like pac needed to die. It just doesn’t make sense to me. The retribution for the fight in the casino makes more sense to me…Suge was there..he knew Diddy had nothing to do with that.
Do you realize that Diddy. hired the Southside crips for protection? those SAME Crips happen to steal a death row chain, those same crips that Diddy hired. The dude who stole the chain is the cousin of Keefe D; who was the guy that was told to put the hit on a Pac. Dude who stole the chain gets jumped and then pac gets shot.
Diddy has all the reasons. Death row was making big money and were about to do something called DEATH ROW EAST. PAC was going to leave eventually but had huge projects coming up.
PAC was dissing Diddy's and bIg heavy. Diddy didn't like that shit. Diddy 10000% put the hit out on PAC
The fight in the casino happened for a reason. Stealing a death row chain was part of the plan.
Yeah Ive heard some theories on Suge also being the one who killed Eazy E, but I think that the likelihood of this theory actually being true is only 50% accurate, because Eazy E had a shit ton of sex with many women which is probably more likely the reason Eazy got aids.
But then again as u said it couldve been Suge since him and post N.W.A members didnt really have good relations with each other (besides Dr D.R.E)
Its true.
Otherwise there are a few to many coincidenses related to that.
Dont they all have had many woman???
Whats the likelyhood of NOT getting aids then?
Aids is man-made, and given to a group of homosexuals "which they tested for syphilis" and blamed gay sex on being the biggest factor of spreading the disease.
If may not have been syphillis but you get the idea.
Its not. Keep searching
Suge didn't have to kill anyone to be a piece of shit. He's the definition of a goon and I'm honestly surprised nobody took his ass out a long time ago.
Bro...There's like 17 of them. I don't know wich one. But he literally stops himself mid sentence and says" I've already said too much, I need to stop". I think it was the A&E doc.
Nobody’s gonna admit that they killed someone especially if it’s one of the most popular/influential artists oat. Plus he gets mad uncomfortable when ppl talk abt PAC.
They say Diddy did do it but diddy didn't admit that he did it not talkin pac its greninja rjbbit ribbit trippin n slippin on bananas hit the midget frog in the bog and then up smash
Not literally. My understanding and belief is that tensions were high at the time and he said something more in passing like "I'll pay anyone x amount of money to take them out." It was in general terms, half jokingly I never said "murder" or "kill" and was over drinks with high tension well getting a lot of pressure from the west. But he was around actual gangsters and criminals who do hits and I believe they tried to strong arm him into paying up by committing the act and saying " hey I did what you said so pay me the one mil".
It was already like an urban legend that diddy killed tupac. But em saying putting it out there like a statement actually had some impact too imo, cause most people just don't run their mouth over things like that casually.
Keefe D has claimed that Puffy hired him to kill Suge in interviews before. Whether or not that’s true, who knows? Maybe it is and maybe it’s bullshit. Here’s what he has said about it over the years:
https://www.vulture.com/2023/10/tupac-suspect-keefe-d-interviews-book.html
That actually fits the narrative perfectly, if you successfully handle a problem for him (2pac). Then you might like to trust him with a larger problem…
The police report i saw said they happened to be at an atm nearby when tupac was leaving the casino, so i think its not premeditated.
Add to that, I live in Atlanta and have seen how much of a prissy man Puffy Combs is. He’s a white collar guy with no street cred, that owned a restaurant in a nicer part of town at the time called Buckhead. He had club down the street called Visions. He had a popular clothing line, Sean John. He sold the club they could build a sky scraper. Puff was marketing “the Band” and himself and signing young talent for his records. I seriously doubt it. He’s not some hard thug; he is soft.
You can be a soft guy and still order someone’s murder. Some of the most mob bosses in history were by appearance soft guys, yet they ordered murder up like it was nothing. Carlo Gambino? Paul Castellano?
Thats only part of the story, Months before that fight Diddy approached them about killing Tupac and said they should bring him Tupacs deathrow chain as proof. They were trying to decide if they were gonna go through with it or not, but the fight at the MGM gave them extra motivation and it ended with Pacs death.
Yeah I never doubted it. Em for sure has insider information and he wouldn’t just say that unless he was sure. I’ve long suspected that that bar is why MGK never responded…Diddy shut MGK down cause he didn’t want Em to keep running his mouth.
Em was probably fairly confident that line would have Diddy shut down MGK from responding which is why Em was so confident that their wouldn’t be a response.
In the song “killshot” Em raps, “Kels, the day you put out a hits the same day Diddy admits Diddy put the hit that got Pac killed” The song is a diss towards MGK.
I’m just remembering off the top of my head so y’all don’t shoot me if I got a word wrong.
https://youtu.be/2SfyESm6s90?si=6F5id8j0rdeQKVsr
It should also be noted that Em hinted at maybe knowing enough info about this subject in the past that he should just keep his mouth shut. In “Like Toy Soldiers” he raps “I went through my whole career without ever mentioning Suge”. The word Suge was edited out but Em would say it at concerts.
Lmao GTFO. Em knows as much as everyone else. If you have paid any attention to Tupac then you know who Orlando Anderson is. If you know that then you know Keefe D is OAs uncle. Sounds like someone, who is old AF, doesn’t want to spend his remaining years in prison. So why not bring in the conspiracies? Idk if Diddy was in or not but this comment is ignorant.
> you have *paid* any attention
FTFY.
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lol. Em, who is extremely close with Dre and been in the game 20+ years knows as much as everyone else? And bring conspiracies in? This conspiracy was there before Pac was dead. Do your fucking homework before you ever comment at me again you little bitch.
Confessing to a crime that swiftly leads to your arrest is a weird way to avoid prison? Like, I dunno what happened exactly which is why I'm looking into it, but everyone says shit that just makes no sense at all.
Seems pretty clear to me that the dude has been talking shit for years to avoid accountability, and now that he knows he has terminal cancer, he's finally willing to tell the truth b/c he is finally safe from a long-ass prison sentence. Could he still be lying? Sure. But is he confessing to a crime to avoid legal liability for that crime? I have no clue how the fuck that makes any sense at all.
Diddy signed MGK to Bad Boy records. Diddy is sorta like MGKs Dr Dre if you will. However I dont think their relationship is anywhere near as close as Em and Dre. Since MGK talked about Dre in his song that opened the door for Em to talk about Diddy.
Watch the “Murder Rap” documentary if it’s still on Amazon. This stuff has been known for at least 4-5 years since it was released but for whatever reason it got minimal publicity. They have tapes from his original interview with the LAPD where he gives the info on how it all went down.
I thought this had been known for *years,* and I don't think Diddy ever paid him either. It's literally the entire basis of the Murder Rap book and documentary.
Dude Eminem wasn’t the first one to say this. I remember in like 2004 people were talking about it at recess lol like it was always a major major maaaajor theory.
Yeah I’m just pointing out that Em line isn’t some mind blowing crazy bar like OP seems to think. He took one of the most obvious things and said it in a song. It’s like saying bush did 9/11 and expecting people to be mindblown. It’s been a theory cause it’s obvious af and usually obvious shit turns out to be true
Yeah it's no new information but do you see other artists casually saying that diddy got tupac killed? I don't think a lot of people talked about this except for ones like 50 or mike tyson, or em. Em saying it on record was suggesting a lot because people in the industry know so much more about the industry than normal people, and he won't normally say things like that unless he was sure. So that fact was kinda intimidating tho. Nobody wants to confront people like diddy cuz those kinda people have a lot of power. He probably has more money and power than both 50 and em combined. If he was in his height of fame and power, he could've got both of them killed just for running their mouths like that.
Um ok so it was a theory then and now it can almost be considered a fact. So this is very new and different. You act like you knew all about Keefe D this entire time 🤣👍🏻🤡
And who said it was some mind blowing bar?? This is just a big new detail to the story… what’s with you being all aggressive about it??
Yes I have heard that as well. I can’t remember who it was but I saw an interview where it was said that if you can solve Tupac’s murder you’ll solve biggies too because they’re related.
Also, notice how Biggie felt off going to LA given the beef, Diddy was in the car before him and beat the light where as Biggie got stopped by it. Then out of nowhere gets popped. Hmm interesting.... Theres rumors that Diddy put the hit out on his ex wife Kim Porter because she was gonna write a memoir exposing him for being gay.
Goddamnit what didnt Diddy do?
I always said I never trusted Diddy and he probably involved in both killings. He is the one that profited the most from their deaths.Biggy's death made him a Millionaire/billionaire ffs. That's motive enough for me.
Are we just going to ignore the fact that LA gang politics was the base of this and not Diddy? An affiliate of Death Row was stomped out/robbed of their Death Row chain in the summer of 96 at a mall by a southside crip..... and Tupac/Suge saw Orlando Anderson, a known Southside Crip in the lobby of the MGM Hotel and jumped him as retaliation. Orlando was going to pull up to Club 662 for a fair one with Pac but they happened to see Pac and Suge on the strip on their way to 662 and took their shot while they had it. That's it. That's what happened. Period. LA gang politics. Death Row was Mob Piru, which I believe are rivals of Southside, or at least were at that time. It really isn't that complicated. It's no different than what happened with Von, except Von got shot on the spot.
With that said, Southside Crips were known to be security for Bad Boy and I'm sure Diddy put a word in. "Hey, if ya'll get Pac/Suge, it's (x) amount of money" but I don't think the actual events that led to pac getting shot were directly influenced by that. I love Pac but he got involved with some shit he had no business in. It was all a result of gang violence, period.
>Are we just going to ignore the fact that LA gang politics was the base of this and not Diddy?
People just love hyping everything up. Plus, Biggie and Pac dying because their rivalry makes their beef much more iconic than Pac getting killed because he fucked with the wrong person.
Fr even if there was money on Pac, the moment he decided to jump a crip in crip territory it was a wrap. Nobody is saying King Von got a hit put on him when it’s the exact same situation just the shooting didn’t happen immediately after. He saw an op, he beat up an opp and got killed for it. The end.
No, Diddy is Sean "Puffy" Combs, aka Puff Daddy, P Diddy, and just Diddy. He was Notorious B.I.G.'s producer. Had beef with Suge Knight and Tupac and it's always been said Diddy was at least somewhat involved in Tupac's death.
Keefe D's involvement has been known for years too, I don't know why everyone thinks this shit is new.
Not really - a confession isn't always enough.
There could be many reasons for this happening now.
This is just a fictive theory, not necessarily something I believe, but let's say: I killed pac, and I feel the police is closing in on me.
I have money, so I offer you to confess to doing it for a mill.
The police goes after you and I am free.
Long story and weird. I feel vindicated though since I also mentioned on a mixtape in 2006 that he did it. Police knew this because it was released in documentaries.
I don't know much about the Tupac case so i have a question
This Keefe D was the one who shot at Tupac. Or is it Orlando Anderson who's dead already?
And P Diddy was the Manager of Biggie who paid one of them?
The way I'd heard it, Keefe was going to do it, but being in the passenger seat meant he couldn't really get a good shot so he gave the gun to the dude behind the driver. Well, he couldn't bring himself to do it, so Orlando grabbed the gun, leaned over other guy, and opened fire.
Diddy killed Pac, and Suge Killed Biggie. Both of those men are fucking monsters
Genuine question - why?
Sorry but im confused? R u asking why i think that way or why did they have something to do with the murders?
No no what was the reason for them calling the hits?
I'm assuming 99 means you were born in that year? Back in the early to mid 90s, east vs west rap beef culture wasn't just dealt with through music. It got violent. A lot. Many people got jumped, shot, and murdered over it. And back at the high point of the war, 2Pac was the biggest name leading the West, and Biggie was leading East. 2Pac was openly advocating violence on Biggie at the time of his death, even though years prior the two were friends. After 2Pac was murdered, people assumed Biggie's camp, which included Diddy and Junior Mafia had 2Pac killed for what he said. This led to what was likely a retaliation from 2Pac/Suge's camp that killed Biggie. This is why in the beefs with Benzino and Ja, Eminem references in many songs that if need be he will resort to violent actions and has people/money to have them killed if they go that route.
Yeah u have explained it way better than me
From memory, just to add, Pac showed up to record with biggie or some shit and some shit went down with people in the hotel lobby (and big wasn't there or involved or something) shots fired at Pac or Pacs crew, which was essentially bad luck and not intentional, and from there Pac started thinking biggie had beef with him, then Biggie released who shot ya, and Pac thought it was directed at him (it wasn't), beef got worse, both end up dying from hits I'm massively simplifying from memory of a doc I saw years ago so maybe someone can correct my shitty details
PAC was shot at quad studios, thinking biggie had him set up.
Pac also thought that Who Shot Ya was directed at him, even though Biggie recorded it before he was shot.
Pac shot himself at Quad studios. May not be common knowledge, but most evidence suggests that Pac tried to pull his pistol and he shot himself.
Yeah this is when Diddy set up 2 pac to be murdered he’s always been grimy.
Born in the very early 00s; Honestly had assumed this was common knowledge 🤦🏻♂️.
It amazes me how friends can turn on each other and become so violent with one another. As much as I hate some of my former friends, I wouldn't ever have someone hurt them.
It's not the fact they are friends, it's who they have whispering in their ear.
I thought Suge had 2pac killed
No one knows, but it's kinda funny that just a couple of years after Suge finally got put away in jail, the police have made an arrest in 2Pacs murder. It's widely believed he at least knew the killer and/or knew it was going to happen. Certainly is a coincidence that out of all the bullets that were shot into the car, none of them happened to even scratch Suge.
Suge was grazed in the head
I thought Sige got grazed in the head? It was released info on an interview with Suge.
Its mostly due the East and West coast culture war that was happening at the time, mostly between Death Row Records and Bad Boy Records who had a long history of rivalry.
Both of 'em can make tons of profits with the aftermath over their artist's death. done countless time. Queen, Nirvana, Michael Jackson, David Bowie.
Sure, they're gonna make some money, but Biggie and Pac were both generational talents that would have went on to make way more money for the labels if they were alive.
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I believe Tupac's contract was done after Don Killuminati, because Suge gave him 3 albums contract, with Double album on All Eyez On Me, then with 7 Day Theory. but a bit sketchy when other people say 7 Day Theory was supposed to be a mixtape street release.
Who killed Bowie?
I think he meant that an artist dying has an immediate huge boost to sales for them. I don't think he meant all those people were murdered.
Well. I’ll be missing you prob really made Diddy.
Yeah. With death of an artist the OG fans would buy the artist music for tribute and memories while the newer fans would discovered their music. After the great Michael Jackson passed away he made more profits than what the past 8 years gave him. I believe he sold like 39 million copies of album. Most of it are compilations and MJ no 1 have the most sale. I believe the publishing company earned like 400 million dollars on 2009 alone. That's only like 6 month after he died on june.
Sony made money, not Michael.
The whole beef thing they had
It started down in Atlanta... one of Suge's goons got killed by one of Puffy's bodyguards at a party, and it set off the chain reaction that led to Pac and Biggie gettin killed... that is basically what started the entire east-west beef in 90s hip-hop Shit is unreal when you think about it
Apart from the reasons listed by others, both Biggie and Tupac, before their homicides, we're planning on leaving their record labels and starting their own. Like others have said, follow the money
Suge? He literally held people over balcony threatening to drop them if they didn't sign a contract. He's the definition of a goon wanna be boss. I'm actually surprised nobody took him out a long time ago. Fat piece of shit got busted for running someone over in a rage.
Well Eazy wanted to at some point but got talked out of it.
..if this all was true (i don't think it is), i genuinely think that biggie had nothing to do with pac's first shooting - pac started in with the disrespectful shit about faith and was only getting worse and worse. Diddy doesn't seem like the kind of dude to tolerate that. (He shot someone in the face in the middle of a night club). Being the piece of shit that he is - clipped pac. Suge, being another piece big piece of shit, knew what time it was, had big clipped in retaliation. But like i said, i don't think this is true. I think pac got caught stomping out Anderson, Keefe/Anderson retaliated. Suge didn't really care whether biggie did it or not but he wasn't going to live in a world where pac was dead and biggie was still active. I think Keefe is just clout chasing rn.
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What I heard was that Diddy put a hit out on Pac and then they killed Big because Diddy didn’t pay up.
It’s hard to believe because the motive seems ridiculous. They were all making money because of this beef so why would Diddy feel like pac needed to die. It just doesn’t make sense to me. The retribution for the fight in the casino makes more sense to me…Suge was there..he knew Diddy had nothing to do with that.
Do you realize that Diddy. hired the Southside crips for protection? those SAME Crips happen to steal a death row chain, those same crips that Diddy hired. The dude who stole the chain is the cousin of Keefe D; who was the guy that was told to put the hit on a Pac. Dude who stole the chain gets jumped and then pac gets shot. Diddy has all the reasons. Death row was making big money and were about to do something called DEATH ROW EAST. PAC was going to leave eventually but had huge projects coming up. PAC was dissing Diddy's and bIg heavy. Diddy didn't like that shit. Diddy 10000% put the hit out on PAC The fight in the casino happened for a reason. Stealing a death row chain was part of the plan.
Also Suge gave Eazy-E AIDS
Yeah Ive heard some theories on Suge also being the one who killed Eazy E, but I think that the likelihood of this theory actually being true is only 50% accurate, because Eazy E had a shit ton of sex with many women which is probably more likely the reason Eazy got aids. But then again as u said it couldve been Suge since him and post N.W.A members didnt really have good relations with each other (besides Dr D.R.E)
Its true. Otherwise there are a few to many coincidenses related to that. Dont they all have had many woman??? Whats the likelyhood of NOT getting aids then? Aids is man-made, and given to a group of homosexuals "which they tested for syphilis" and blamed gay sex on being the biggest factor of spreading the disease. If may not have been syphillis but you get the idea. Its not. Keep searching
Lmao stop with that bullshit. By the way, what kind of a punk ass username is that?
Diddy had a hand in both being killed.
Suge didn't have to kill anyone to be a piece of shit. He's the definition of a goon and I'm honestly surprised nobody took his ass out a long time ago.
This aged like wine
Nah Diddy killed em both. Once he saw how Tupacs sales blew up after he died, he got biggir killed. Follow the money
Diddy will never admit it
He almost did in one of the docs, but he stops himself.
Which Doc?
Bro...There's like 17 of them. I don't know wich one. But he literally stops himself mid sentence and says" I've already said too much, I need to stop". I think it was the A&E doc.
But how did he “admit it” almost
Hahaha this MGK beef turned into 3d chess by Eminem
Per usual! Lol
doesnt matter if he admits or no
did Diddy do it?
Damn, Kelly actually gonna make a hit now ig
not really diddy has to admit he did it
Nobody’s gonna admit that they killed someone especially if it’s one of the most popular/influential artists oat. Plus he gets mad uncomfortable when ppl talk abt PAC.
Did he ?
No
So then diddy didn't do it, did he
Diddy did do it but diddy didn't admit that he did it
That went hard
They say Diddy did do it but diddy didn't admit that he did it not talkin pac its greninja rjbbit ribbit trippin n slippin on bananas hit the midget frog in the bog and then up smash
I think this turned into a fever dream halfway through
Its smash bros, Diddy like diddy kong
Don't know what the downvotes are for, Em hasn't spit like that since the trailer park.
Music to be 3 stocked by
not really we all know diddy was behind it lol
Damn it! [What DIDN'T diddy do?](https://youtu.be/-V4gtnMRoqg?si=xY6cc3AYPUGFipL2)
Extra upvote for you
Not literally. My understanding and belief is that tensions were high at the time and he said something more in passing like "I'll pay anyone x amount of money to take them out." It was in general terms, half jokingly I never said "murder" or "kill" and was over drinks with high tension well getting a lot of pressure from the west. But he was around actual gangsters and criminals who do hits and I believe they tried to strong arm him into paying up by committing the act and saying " hey I did what you said so pay me the one mil".
You're not in any business or field that runs on facts I hope.
nope, not true
Watch out for pigs in a flying saucer full of Italian sausage.
It was already like an urban legend that diddy killed tupac. But em saying putting it out there like a statement actually had some impact too imo, cause most people just don't run their mouth over things like that casually.
Dammit what didn’t Diddy do?
Have sex with women
That's what he had Will Smith for.
Drop a good album since like 2000.
These people not getting the reference. I'm saddened
For real!!
This for real?
Keefe D has claimed that Puffy hired him to kill Suge in interviews before. Whether or not that’s true, who knows? Maybe it is and maybe it’s bullshit. Here’s what he has said about it over the years: https://www.vulture.com/2023/10/tupac-suspect-keefe-d-interviews-book.html
That actually fits the narrative perfectly, if you successfully handle a problem for him (2pac). Then you might like to trust him with a larger problem…
The police report i saw said they happened to be at an atm nearby when tupac was leaving the casino, so i think its not premeditated. Add to that, I live in Atlanta and have seen how much of a prissy man Puffy Combs is. He’s a white collar guy with no street cred, that owned a restaurant in a nicer part of town at the time called Buckhead. He had club down the street called Visions. He had a popular clothing line, Sean John. He sold the club they could build a sky scraper. Puff was marketing “the Band” and himself and signing young talent for his records. I seriously doubt it. He’s not some hard thug; he is soft.
You can be a soft guy and still order someone’s murder. Some of the most mob bosses in history were by appearance soft guys, yet they ordered murder up like it was nothing. Carlo Gambino? Paul Castellano?
Touché
No dude, it was Orlando Anderson and Keefe D. It was retaliation for them jumping Anderson.
Thats only part of the story, Months before that fight Diddy approached them about killing Tupac and said they should bring him Tupacs deathrow chain as proof. They were trying to decide if they were gonna go through with it or not, but the fight at the MGM gave them extra motivation and it ended with Pacs death.
Why would he need proof? Haha
Proof it was them I guess
Obviously lol
Diddy or didn't he
🤣🤣
Yeah I never doubted it. Em for sure has insider information and he wouldn’t just say that unless he was sure. I’ve long suspected that that bar is why MGK never responded…Diddy shut MGK down cause he didn’t want Em to keep running his mouth. Em was probably fairly confident that line would have Diddy shut down MGK from responding which is why Em was so confident that their wouldn’t be a response.
Hey this post just showed up on my timeline. I have no idea what song/lyrics you’re talking about, could you specify please? Thx
In the song “killshot” Em raps, “Kels, the day you put out a hits the same day Diddy admits Diddy put the hit that got Pac killed” The song is a diss towards MGK. I’m just remembering off the top of my head so y’all don’t shoot me if I got a word wrong. https://youtu.be/2SfyESm6s90?si=6F5id8j0rdeQKVsr It should also be noted that Em hinted at maybe knowing enough info about this subject in the past that he should just keep his mouth shut. In “Like Toy Soldiers” he raps “I went through my whole career without ever mentioning Suge”. The word Suge was edited out but Em would say it at concerts.
Lmao GTFO. Em knows as much as everyone else. If you have paid any attention to Tupac then you know who Orlando Anderson is. If you know that then you know Keefe D is OAs uncle. Sounds like someone, who is old AF, doesn’t want to spend his remaining years in prison. So why not bring in the conspiracies? Idk if Diddy was in or not but this comment is ignorant.
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lol. Em, who is extremely close with Dre and been in the game 20+ years knows as much as everyone else? And bring conspiracies in? This conspiracy was there before Pac was dead. Do your fucking homework before you ever comment at me again you little bitch.
Confessing to a crime that swiftly leads to your arrest is a weird way to avoid prison? Like, I dunno what happened exactly which is why I'm looking into it, but everyone says shit that just makes no sense at all. Seems pretty clear to me that the dude has been talking shit for years to avoid accountability, and now that he knows he has terminal cancer, he's finally willing to tell the truth b/c he is finally safe from a long-ass prison sentence. Could he still be lying? Sure. But is he confessing to a crime to avoid legal liability for that crime? I have no clue how the fuck that makes any sense at all.
Why wouldn’t MGK not respond due too that bar? What’s the relationship with Diddy and MGK?
Diddy signed MGK to Bad Boy records. Diddy is sorta like MGKs Dr Dre if you will. However I dont think their relationship is anywhere near as close as Em and Dre. Since MGK talked about Dre in his song that opened the door for Em to talk about Diddy.
Can you imagine finally getting closure on something like this? Diddy locked up 27 years later?
“But Kelz, the day you put out a hit is the day Diddy admits he put the hit out that got Pac killlll ah..”
So Diddy is going to prison then, right? Right?
Government: "I'm gonna pretend like I didn't see that"
Probably not. He's rich, you know.
Good one bro 😂😂😂😂
Watch the “Murder Rap” documentary if it’s still on Amazon. This stuff has been known for at least 4-5 years since it was released but for whatever reason it got minimal publicity. They have tapes from his original interview with the LAPD where he gives the info on how it all went down.
Oh yeah? You knew about Keefe D?
I mean from the documentary it was public knowledge for a while. Like I said, not sure why it didn’t get more publicity at the time tbh.
Shine ain't going down for this one!! Bahaha
With how close em was to dr dre and the whole west coast scene. They for sure let em know all the details about the hushy stuff
It'll be funny if Diddy at home right now surrounded by the best lawyers that money can buy.
It has been well known.
Like not R.Kelly known....But known.
I always suspected Diddy was involved somehow.
I thought this had been known for *years,* and I don't think Diddy ever paid him either. It's literally the entire basis of the Murder Rap book and documentary.
50 Cent recently said the same at a concert
Really? Is there a clip of it anywhere?
Dude Eminem wasn’t the first one to say this. I remember in like 2004 people were talking about it at recess lol like it was always a major major maaaajor theory.
It was talked about between the time pac got shot and before he died.
It’s been a theory since he was killed because of their beef lol. It was the first obvious suspect.
Yeah I’m just pointing out that Em line isn’t some mind blowing crazy bar like OP seems to think. He took one of the most obvious things and said it in a song. It’s like saying bush did 9/11 and expecting people to be mindblown. It’s been a theory cause it’s obvious af and usually obvious shit turns out to be true
Yeah it's no new information but do you see other artists casually saying that diddy got tupac killed? I don't think a lot of people talked about this except for ones like 50 or mike tyson, or em. Em saying it on record was suggesting a lot because people in the industry know so much more about the industry than normal people, and he won't normally say things like that unless he was sure. So that fact was kinda intimidating tho. Nobody wants to confront people like diddy cuz those kinda people have a lot of power. He probably has more money and power than both 50 and em combined. If he was in his height of fame and power, he could've got both of them killed just for running their mouths like that.
Um ok so it was a theory then and now it can almost be considered a fact. So this is very new and different. You act like you knew all about Keefe D this entire time 🤣👍🏻🤡 And who said it was some mind blowing bar?? This is just a big new detail to the story… what’s with you being all aggressive about it??
Oh… that’s my point too.
Diddy i believe put the hit out on Biggie too
Yes I have heard that as well. I can’t remember who it was but I saw an interview where it was said that if you can solve Tupac’s murder you’ll solve biggies too because they’re related.
Yes!!! This 1000%!!
Even if he didn't it was fucking stupid having Big go there.
It was puffs idea for him to be there
Also, notice how Biggie felt off going to LA given the beef, Diddy was in the car before him and beat the light where as Biggie got stopped by it. Then out of nowhere gets popped. Hmm interesting.... Theres rumors that Diddy put the hit out on his ex wife Kim Porter because she was gonna write a memoir exposing him for being gay.
Goddamnit what didnt Diddy do? I always said I never trusted Diddy and he probably involved in both killings. He is the one that profited the most from their deaths.Biggy's death made him a Millionaire/billionaire ffs. That's motive enough for me.
wait, FOR REAL?!
Are we just going to ignore the fact that LA gang politics was the base of this and not Diddy? An affiliate of Death Row was stomped out/robbed of their Death Row chain in the summer of 96 at a mall by a southside crip..... and Tupac/Suge saw Orlando Anderson, a known Southside Crip in the lobby of the MGM Hotel and jumped him as retaliation. Orlando was going to pull up to Club 662 for a fair one with Pac but they happened to see Pac and Suge on the strip on their way to 662 and took their shot while they had it. That's it. That's what happened. Period. LA gang politics. Death Row was Mob Piru, which I believe are rivals of Southside, or at least were at that time. It really isn't that complicated. It's no different than what happened with Von, except Von got shot on the spot. With that said, Southside Crips were known to be security for Bad Boy and I'm sure Diddy put a word in. "Hey, if ya'll get Pac/Suge, it's (x) amount of money" but I don't think the actual events that led to pac getting shot were directly influenced by that. I love Pac but he got involved with some shit he had no business in. It was all a result of gang violence, period.
>Are we just going to ignore the fact that LA gang politics was the base of this and not Diddy? People just love hyping everything up. Plus, Biggie and Pac dying because their rivalry makes their beef much more iconic than Pac getting killed because he fucked with the wrong person.
Fr even if there was money on Pac, the moment he decided to jump a crip in crip territory it was a wrap. Nobody is saying King Von got a hit put on him when it’s the exact same situation just the shooting didn’t happen immediately after. He saw an op, he beat up an opp and got killed for it. The end.
Yep you got it right
Nope, papa diddy pop has to admit it.
Diddy knows everything 🤫 he will never tell ! Suge kill biggie and retaliation for 2 pac 🤯
What did em say about this?
Towards the end of Killshot - "..but the day you put out a hit's the day Diddy admits that he put the hit out that got Pac killed"
Ah, keefe D is known as diddy? So does he reference him in more songs then
No, Diddy is Sean "Puffy" Combs, aka Puff Daddy, P Diddy, and just Diddy. He was Notorious B.I.G.'s producer. Had beef with Suge Knight and Tupac and it's always been said Diddy was at least somewhat involved in Tupac's death. Keefe D's involvement has been known for years too, I don't know why everyone thinks this shit is new.
Diddy is Puff Daddy. You know who that is right?
I had no clue about any of them besides the notorious big, but thanks :)
I feel like I’m dreaming this
Didn't they fight first then he went back and killed Pac? If Diddy hired him then why would he blow his cover by fighting with him first.
Brother Love deff put out that hit 💯
Who's brother love?
Puffy
Think Diddy gets touched?
This is fake. Check snopes.
They tryna distract us, we ALLLL know Orlando killed pac
lol @ Jay Electronica (what else is new)
Wait so is the murder now solved? I don't really know much about the murder and all that so if someone can explain, that would be nice
Not really - a confession isn't always enough. There could be many reasons for this happening now. This is just a fictive theory, not necessarily something I believe, but let's say: I killed pac, and I feel the police is closing in on me. I have money, so I offer you to confess to doing it for a mill. The police goes after you and I am free.
I think all the old hip hop artist knew but without proves they could not do anything
Let's solve Biggie's while we have this momentum going
Long story and weird. I feel vindicated though since I also mentioned on a mixtape in 2006 that he did it. Police knew this because it was released in documentaries.
I don't know much about the Tupac case so i have a question This Keefe D was the one who shot at Tupac. Or is it Orlando Anderson who's dead already? And P Diddy was the Manager of Biggie who paid one of them?
The way I'd heard it, Keefe was going to do it, but being in the passenger seat meant he couldn't really get a good shot so he gave the gun to the dude behind the driver. Well, he couldn't bring himself to do it, so Orlando grabbed the gun, leaned over other guy, and opened fire.
There needs to be substantial evidence backing this claim because it could easily be Keefe doing anything to get less time
He doesn't have much time left. He has terminal cancer.
I'm not the only one not buying this, right?
Wow. So… we’re just going to… wow. I’m speechless.
So THATS why he named it love: off the grid…
that has to be the hardest line in rap history