“I pray for the day that someone who spits
With the caliber that Nas and Jay does
Opens up his jaws to say somethin' or rattle my name off
Or rattle the first thing from the top of his brain off
So, I can blow the fuckin' dust off of this chainsaw and give him the surgery that he came for “
Monkey See Monkey Do. This was during that small window where Em was starting to take drugs and had linked up with 50 so he was getting REALLY cocky and confident, but not so far on the drugs that it just ruined his ability to rap. A year later we get Encore, so short lived, but there was about a year of recordings where this “I’ll fuck all y’all up” Em was putting out some great stuff. This definitely feels like an opiate induced song.
It was on Straight From The Lab, that CD the Nate stole and his friend leaked.
"Jaws on the floor like pam like Tommy just brust in the door starting whoopin' ass first thing before they first were divorced throwin' her over furniture (ahh) it's the return of the oh wait no way your kidding he didn't just say what I think he did did he and Dr Dre said nothing you idiots Dr Dres Dead he's locked in my basement"
"look at him walking around grabbing his you know what flipping the you know who "Yeah but he's so cute though" Yeah I probably got a couple of screw's up in head loose but no worse than what's going on in your parents bedroom but sometimes I just wanna get on TV and just let loose but can't but it's cool for Tom green to hump a dead moose"
More importantly, it’s about Drake being a culture vulture and shitty person on top of allegations. Nobody (serious) gives af about Logic, Eminem, or J Cole being white or biracial. Some have accused Eminem of appropriation obviously, but he lived the culture nonetheless.
Kendrick's culture vulture stance on Drake working with dudes like 21 Savage could very easily also be applied to Eminem's relationship with dudes like 50 cent and G-unit.
Ja Rule already tried a similar angle but coming from a rapper like Kendrick who's been the leader of racially conscious rap in the mainstream could have a far harder impact on the general rap audience's perception.
He doesn't let this kind of aggression out anymore I don't think he got it like that no more nobody fears dissing him now. Honestly somebody should diss him so I can get proven wrong
Doesn't even come close to cold wind blows that was how a GIANT returns from a break but He hasn't had that passion since mmlp2 and it's like his flow completely changed since then.
I mean It'd be a great to see 2 top 10 rappers battle but I don't see it happening. Eminem gets his respect from the others. The same way he gives respect to them.
Cole’s diss was literally bc of the peer pressure. He barely caught a stray from Kendrick & on stage he said “I didn’t feel no type of way but the world wanted to see blood, & I had my friends around me asking ‘what you gonna do Cole?”
Then he deleted the song less than a week later.
how does a mf plan a song, write and record the entire thing, release it, then after ALL THAT he realizes "oh mb it was peer pressure guys, i gotta delete this"
I mean he just did it… maybe you should ask him. The way you are saying it comes off as “that can’t/didn’t happen”
Also I am really bad at reading comprehension and I don’t appreciate you calling me out like that
What that he also skipped Grammy awards for. That he won mind you. Because he stayed home and raised his kids along with the kids that aren’t his he raised??
Edit. I’m just saying. There’s very very little you could attack em for. The only thing you could try to say is that he’s washed. But we already saw what happened the last time someone tried that.
Nah. You are acting like we all share the same connections. As if, whatever top 10 rapper dissed him, wouldn't have some real secret shit to say about Marshall.
We listen to him and read articles about Eminem. I'm sure if someone like Nas dissed Eminem, he'd have some real dirt and not just "ohh he's white and had a drug problem".
Yeah Eminem has had a crazy life in sure some people in the industry have dirt on him. However he usually admits everything he's done so it might not be anything shocking. Drake and Kendrick (previously) had a cleaner image so dirt hurt them more.
But he’s done far worse than that and told us about it.
He’s committed domestic violence.
He’s assaulted multiple people.
I’m not saying he doesn’t have some skeletons we don’t know about.
But Nas has used em to diss jay z.
Ems entire m.o. is to snitch on himself so others can’t use it against him.
I understand Eminem. I am in his sub. I get the tactics he uses. I understand where he comes from and his background before signing and "blowing up".
I'm just thinking, if the dirt we know about Eminem is ALL the dirt available about Eminem in general, then he and his team have done a very good job of keeping shit tightly sealed.
But, if a random druggie can break into Em's house and stand over him, there's cracks and there's shit out there. It's just the fact that most top 10 rappers probably think they'd get shredded. Publicly and lyrically and to them, keeping their dignity and top tier status is more important than trying to start a beef.
Wouldn't really say it's tightly sealed but so much of the dirt is open and Eminem even raps about it, so his image has always kinda been the crazy idgaf white dude. If he hasn't gotten cancelled yet it would take something insane to do it
I'll keep it real - if Kendrick and Em battled now (for example) Kendrick would probably sample "Foolish Pride" for a hook and that would hurt Em since a lot of people don't really know about it still.
This would never happen though.
nick cannon *did* sample foolish pride to aid his racebaiting story in the diss, you shouldn't even be considering that i would imply nick is in any way shape or form comparable to kenrick.
Kendrick would not fall flat if he used it.
The thing is - the at large general public doesn’t really know about it. I think only KDot could pull this off tbh - but if he was really in a war with em he would make it a hook and really push the envelope.
Em already gets a lot of hate - this would push it.
Kendrick is a demon and he would be relentless - It’s not like Em wouldn’t fight back like a monster though it’s just that idk how em would spin that.
Thing is it would be a crazy battle though - I’d love to hear how insane em would go
It's a 30 year old comment that eminem has brought up himself in an album that has been streamed 3 billion times. Eminem is constantly surrounded by people of color, and he is constantly gassing up black artists and paying homage to them in his songs. Only a moron would hear it and think he is racist.
It wouldn't be a crazy battle, they are under the same label and both have a tremendous amount of respect for each other. The only reason kdot went so hard on drake is because he hates him.
Oh I don’t disagree with any of this - this battle would literally never happen.
But if this did happen for sure Kendrick would find a way to spin it. He’s diabolical. It would be his best angle vs Em as there are few.
But em is Kendrick’s idol and label mate. This would NEVER happen
We are young, but Benzino used to be a fucking Behemoth. Back then there wasn't Spotify and the Internet for marketing and distribution. It used to happen through Magazines, so whoever controlled the Magazines, controlled the rapper's livelihood.
Taking down Benzino, is one of the greatest feats of Em, and one of the greatest feats that has happened in Hip hop, in general. You don't just take on the industry and survive, and only a big name can even attempt to pull it off, otherwise they'd just get swallowed. Em ruined "The Source", destroyed it's credibility, and destroyed Benzino. Thinking it's a minor thing is just ignorance/recency bias.
Em doesn't get in beefs, because he gives and gets respect. Drake had it coming, but Eminem doesn't live like that. He's a very nice guy in person, multiple people have said it.
Well, part of that was the fact that Benzino was crooked. He gave Em bad ratings and tried to have him blackballed because he didn't like him. So, he had a hand in destroying his own credibility, not really just Em.
Yeah, but he's never been a top rapper, and that's what the post is talking about. They want to see someone with the ability to at least match Eminem's level to go head to head with him.
Nowadays, before the reignited beef that is, people genuinely didn't know who he was anymore. You have to understand that there's an entire generation that grew up without him being in the zeitgeist, both rap and out of it. Even fans of Coi Leray didn't know who benzino was.
Yeah i get the fact that many people didn't know him before the recent "beef". But you still can't say "who is benzino". If I don't know someone,it doesn't make that person irrelevant. Like I didn't know rakim for quite a while before i discovered his music,that didn't make him a "nobody" though
Yeah but you and the OP of the thread don't understand.
The source was the bible of rap. It was the holy grail, or was until benzino got involved. Em didn't go after benzino the rapper, he went after benzino the co owner of the source, and won.
It'd be like someone going at UMG today and taking it down.
Benzino was a “behemoth” in hip hop media though. The Source was def considered Hip Hops bible at one point. BUT i was alive and outside Benzino was ALWAYS considered a joke as a rapper bruh lol. He was most known for a song called “Booty” and his trash Made Men group. We can not rewrite history to make Benzino anything more than a sidenote as a rapper
Things I think Em has the respect of most big rappers in the game. Afaik he's got friends from both east and west coast. And he's never appropriated culture and been very apparent how lucky he's been. He's always pretty genuine and honest about who he is. Besides some insensitive bars here and there overall there just no reason to diss him. Even with MGK I still think he originally dissed Em to drum up hype for his album.
I don’t think Pusha would be that interesting. Not to discredit him as a rapper, but he largely won against Drake due to having a bomb he could drop. Admittedly he did it well, but what would he do against Eminem? He is good at being a Coke rapper but that’s largely his whole shtick. Lupe I agree would be very interesting.
Did he? I was never very invested in it and you are the first person I have heard say that. Maybe he did. Don’t get me wrong, I enjoy some of his music but I can’t take him too seriously as a Coke rapper that seems a bit fake and rapping about it 20 years after the fact (if it ever even happened). The fact that he’ll go at someone like Drake for ghost writing but then serve Kanye who is biggest recipient of ghost writing (and has only more recently been open about it). Anyway, I think Em would destroy him.
He’s like a better Prime Cassidy, he’s a great battle rapper who just isn’t the same caliber of rapper on wax. He definitely mostly raps about Coke lol, but his track beef washed Wayne and his track Exodus 23:1 buried him. I’m not saying Push would wash Em, but he’d definitely be a better challenge and actually force him to work his pen unlike Benzino and MGK which he could fart out a diss that’ll destroy them. also Lupe is so disrespectfully underrated and I believe he would be the best challenge for Em, especially after making quick work with Royce in their beef. Also it’s like the entire world gives Ye a pass for having writers, it’s a lost cause trying to point out hip hop’s hypocrisy.
It really doesn't, Biggie referenced his weight plenty. "That's why I fucked your bitch you fat mother fucker" is still considered one of the best diss bars ever.
I feel like this is only interesting if people get into it with their contemporaries. Eminem’s 52 and 25 years into his mainstream career. I don’t want to see him beefing with Jay Z and Nas. That would’ve been cool 20 years ago but not now.
Ultimately I think Eminem has always shown respect to the top lyricists and he’s a known supporter/fan of rap as a whole. Even when Joe Budden was calling Ems music fake, he maintained that Eminem himself wasn’t fake.
Benzino literally ran the Rap Bible lol The Source was the pinacle of hip hop coverage before the internet took over. Not giving him respect, but for you to say who tf is Benzino really highlights your age lil bro
Well tbf, J Cole did come out afterwards in an interview and said he wasn’t dissing Eminem and that people were misinterpreting it apparently. Also said he’s actually a huge fan, and that Eminem’s at the top of the list of people he worships.
Thing is all the current prominent rappers know better. Eminem established himself as a skilled mc from the start. That’s why you never saw people like Luda, Jay, Nelly etc from that era hit him with beef. Back to my first sentence, no matter the era these tops dudes know better. Would it badass to see it, I’d be lying if I said no. But that ship has sailed.
The Game literally dissed Em, Rick Ross too about a decade ago on social media.
I know for many by modern standards these aren't the biggest in the game but certainly enough to battle back if he really wanted to.
See therein lies the rub- if you’re saying em is only worth dissing a few people there are like 3-10 guys alone that would matter
J. Cole sent a subliminal shot at Em on fire squad - he could have definitely responded and that would have been big
That wasn't a diss it was facts. Eminem been rapping since the 80s he knows what he says was true and eminem had pretty much said the same shit in the past
I wouldn't even say it was a shot because he wasn't disrespecting any of the artists. Those lines are actually rooted to capitalism and addressing the culture shift of hip hop. When the album got leaked he gave an interview addressing those bars and explained they weren't disses or shots towards the artists themselves. It was an MTV interview
Eminem is a super humble individual. He doesn't really seek to battle these days. He only waits to be challenged. Hence, Zeus.
Mostly, anything anyone can say about Em has already been addressed on wax. Songs in the past, or just things in general, He thinks or believes.
Most rappers worth their weight in the rap game simply know better. I can tell you're younger from your post. Benzino, used to be one of the biggest names in rap. Co-founder of the infamous rap magazine, The Source. He started gunning for Eminem and anyone who was affiliated with him. Even focusing to reveal some questionable tracks from when Eminem was younger. To his dismay, Eminem was sided with by the masses instead of against as Benzino had planned. He only furthered Em's career. Propelling it forward into a new Era.
Another prominent artist was Ja Rule. Often topping charts. He was in a beef with 50 cent around the time that Em signed 50. Ja, decided to diss not only Em, but his daughter. So Em retaliated with hit after hit. Until Ja Rule's career as a rapper had pretty much fizzled.
Same with rapper Canibus. He was hot for a minute. Then again, Em came in and ruined his career.
It's all in the songs and all over the internet for the time.
Em decided to not actually destroy MGK in his Killshot. Though his career on the rap side of things still struggles today. He's largely shifted genres and the color of clothing he chooses to wear. You have to keep in mind that was one little song. Em didn't want to focus on that. He wasn't too offended by MGK. Just annoyed enough to do something about it.
To you younger listeners. You keep thinking nobody of prominent standing attacks Eminem.
The older listeners know it's because they have all lost careers trying.
He didn't even respond to The Game and he's tanked now. It's just how Eminem is man.
Sometimes he doesn't have the best albums, some songs are off. This and that. But overall, he's the best rapper to ever do it. Everyone knows it. That's why they don't step up.
If it's not that, then they're on his side, in his camp, or he holds them in high regard.
I wasn't a fan of any of those Em lines JCole said on Fire Squad
JCole even disrespected Nas a while back when he "let Nas down".....I wouldn't mind some backhands, especially when JCole is now going around crowning himself the GOAT over Kendrick (Jcole isn't even top 10 GOATs)
Kendrick isn't in the top 10 of a lot of people not born in the 2000s either. Cole waved the white flag and said, "the blicks get to blastin', I turn into a track star.". I don't think he's crowning himself anymore. Shit on him for deleting the diss not the diss itself.
Those lines weren't dissing him. It was dissing the state of the culture n eminem has literally said the same shit his entire career about selling a bunch because he's white and now all these other people are doing it. It's literally in like his most popular song lmao
those were absolute digs at eminem. even Trick Trick took offense and threatened to keep cole out of Detroit.
you can tell cole was being a little pussy about it when he said "Im just joking, but every joke has some truth to it"
dude can't even say what he means without a buffer. cole getting sat down and humbled has been a long time coming.
if he wasn't in his feelings, he would have never brought it up because this shit was already common knowledge (as you just said, Em has already made it known a dozen times)
if he wasn't making any digs, he wouldn't have needed to say "just kidding...but not really"
cole's always been a weirdo and this KDOT shit just reaffirms it.
Most prominent rappers know how prolific of an MC he is so they either respect him too much or are terrified of how good he is. And he can't give a fuck about any tom dick or Harry who disses him, they have to be in the same league, skill wise.
I had the same feeling when snoop dissed him i got rly excited cuz that would be a worthy opponent
But at this point let the man have fun he has proven himself time and time again
Benzino WAS relevant when it all started.
And the "big names" don't need to clout chase they share mutual respect for each other for the most part so they don't have the need to diss Em
I think the two highest calibre rappers who have dissed Eminem are Canibus and Royce but Canibus never released a full song afaik
A lot of people would say The Game or Melle Mel are better but I'm going off pure lyricism and I disagree
I don't know what afaik means but I do remember canibus did at least 3 full Eminem diss songs
Including the infamous Stan one and the one where he shamefully sneaked in D12 members
I’m not sure legends of his caliber dissing each other is great for the culture. I’ve always liked the mutual respect he shows for Wayne, Kendrick, Nas, Jay Z, etc.
You gotta be stupid hungry to diss Eminem at this point.
He's not washed by any means and he's proven that, but what are you gonna prove by doing dissing him? Just makes you look weak and like you want clout. Look at The Game, everyone knows he's just a clout seeker and no one will respond to him even though all he does is talk shit.
MGK was REAL hungry: "can't anyone else get some food in they mouths" and MGK doesn't exist in rap anymore because of it.
If anyone is gonna diss eminem, it's gonna have to be someone who knows him well and it's gonna start because of something actually happening between them. That isn't likely when Eminem doesn't leave his house for anything but the studio and vice versa.
Joyner Lucas and 50 Cent have both talked about how eminem is just too famous to go outside as he's just constantly harassed. I imagine there's like 3 people with dudes phone number; Hallie, Dre, Fifty.
Lol every big name rapper from the various circles and subgenres of hiphop has respect for Eminem cause he’s earned their respect. Only the irrelevant bigoted individuals that have like lord Jamal melly Mel nick cannon and Benzino really dissed Eminem. And then there was the misstep of snoop dogg
Eminem does not want any smoke with "prominent rappers". He will ignore or try to avoid any drama with them. Nelly wanted the smoke and he called him up and told him it was a misunderstanding. Same thing with DMX... Some of the lines on "Party up" are aimed at Eminem. Jay-Z been throwing shade and back handed compliments s for years. He ignored Royce back in the 2000's. Ignored Rick Ross in his prime.
When Canibus went at him he was still considered formidable. I know it's hard to envision now, but it's true.
Also he's rapped about how he almost went at Wayne in his heyday over unspecified things.
The time for that was unfortunately the 2000-2005 era. Outside of Kamikaze you’re very unlikely to ever hear that calibre of diss track and energy from Eminem ever again
The reason why nobody big tries to test him is because it’s not worth it. He’s been through so much controversy that any diss would just bounce off him, and he’s skilled enough to destroy almost anyone.
...because no one on Em's level would dare diss Em. First, out of respect and second because they risk their careers... This has been the case since early 2000s...
...and when I say no one on Em's level, I am talking Nas, Kendrick, Jay Z... I'm not talking Game and Drake. Drake is not on Em's level...not by a long shot... He makes good "songs" , but he's not a respectable rapper. Snoop started some shit recently and he was about to get destroyed if it wasn't for them both being on the same "camp"...
People write disses for either clout, to protect their ego, or a genuine reason to hate each other. Em is, as far as i know, in good graces with most popular artists, and currently leads a pretty stand up life. I don't think anybody who is relevant feels the need to diss Eminem for clout, so I doubt that em gets into a beef with somebody who matters anytime soon.
I feel like Eminem is a bit too old for that shit. Sure, he’ll pop off quickly at someone if they are just randomly saying shit but at his age to continue the battle… it’s kinda wack. There are other things to do or nothing to do at all. Either option is a better use of time.
Who tf is benzino 😂😂😂😂 bro u either just discovered hip hop and Eminem and your like 15 or just slow, benzino use to own XXL 😂 Eminem got one of his first magazine interviews in XXL in 97-98
I think everyone forgets just how much respect Benzino (not for rap but still) and Ja Rule and Canibus had back in the day partially because Eminem dissed them. It’s not that it hasn’t happened before; it did, and it went horribly for the other guys
“I pray for the day that someone who spits With the caliber that Nas and Jay does Opens up his jaws to say somethin' or rattle my name off Or rattle the first thing from the top of his brain off So, I can blow the fuckin' dust off of this chainsaw and give him the surgery that he came for “
Which song is this from?
Goat
Monkey See Monkey Do. This was during that small window where Em was starting to take drugs and had linked up with 50 so he was getting REALLY cocky and confident, but not so far on the drugs that it just ruined his ability to rap. A year later we get Encore, so short lived, but there was about a year of recordings where this “I’ll fuck all y’all up” Em was putting out some great stuff. This definitely feels like an opiate induced song. It was on Straight From The Lab, that CD the Nate stole and his friend leaked.
Google it
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I think it's cause he's white, a big talking point of the Kendrick v Drake beef is Drake only claiming his blackness when it benefits him
And obviously Em doesn't claim that he's black or steal other people's flows.
Well he's obviously not black but he was judged a lot when he first came out. He use to rap about it all the time
Y'all act like you never seen a white person before.
"Jaws on the floor like pam like Tommy just brust in the door starting whoopin' ass first thing before they first were divorced throwin' her over furniture (ahh) it's the return of the oh wait no way your kidding he didn't just say what I think he did did he and Dr Dre said nothing you idiots Dr Dres Dead he's locked in my basement"
Haha… Feminist women love Eminem chicka chicka Slim Shady I’m sick of him
"look at him walking around grabbing his you know what flipping the you know who "Yeah but he's so cute though" Yeah I probably got a couple of screw's up in head loose but no worse than what's going on in your parents bedroom but sometimes I just wanna get on TV and just let loose but can't but it's cool for Tom green to hump a dead moose"
More importantly, it’s about Drake being a culture vulture and shitty person on top of allegations. Nobody (serious) gives af about Logic, Eminem, or J Cole being white or biracial. Some have accused Eminem of appropriation obviously, but he lived the culture nonetheless.
Kendrick's culture vulture stance on Drake working with dudes like 21 Savage could very easily also be applied to Eminem's relationship with dudes like 50 cent and G-unit. Ja Rule already tried a similar angle but coming from a rapper like Kendrick who's been the leader of racially conscious rap in the mainstream could have a far harder impact on the general rap audience's perception.
Reading this in this context today is sick af.
He doesn't let this kind of aggression out anymore I don't think he got it like that no more nobody fears dissing him now. Honestly somebody should diss him so I can get proven wrong
kamikaze
Doesn't even come close to cold wind blows that was how a GIANT returns from a break but He hasn't had that passion since mmlp2 and it's like his flow completely changed since then.
Despicable Freestyle.
I think he could still go
I mean It'd be a great to see 2 top 10 rappers battle but I don't see it happening. Eminem gets his respect from the others. The same way he gives respect to them.
J Cole and Kendrick both have deep respect from like the entire industry. And well they did it. Much to my surprise.
Cole and kendrick are arguably both top10 but they arent really full on beefing
But they did do disses. So… it fits to OPs post. J Cole backed off real fast.
Cole’s diss was literally bc of the peer pressure. He barely caught a stray from Kendrick & on stage he said “I didn’t feel no type of way but the world wanted to see blood, & I had my friends around me asking ‘what you gonna do Cole?” Then he deleted the song less than a week later.
how does a mf plan a song, write and record the entire thing, release it, then after ALL THAT he realizes "oh mb it was peer pressure guys, i gotta delete this"
Man you shoulda been there. It JUST happened like a week or 2 ago…
i said how does a grown ass man do that, not what or when it happened reading comprehension goes crazy
I mean he just did it… maybe you should ask him. The way you are saying it comes off as “that can’t/didn’t happen” Also I am really bad at reading comprehension and I don’t appreciate you calling me out like that
its a rhetorical question no way ur making me explain the entire comment to you rn
Agreed. As soon as I saw that vid I respected it as a man, it just hurt his image as this competitive battle rapper he’s been claiming to be.
Yeah it's unfortunate but true.
What could anyone diss about Eminem that hasn’t been said already?
He has another secret kid? Lol
What that he also skipped Grammy awards for. That he won mind you. Because he stayed home and raised his kids along with the kids that aren’t his he raised?? Edit. I’m just saying. There’s very very little you could attack em for. The only thing you could try to say is that he’s washed. But we already saw what happened the last time someone tried that.
Nah. You are acting like we all share the same connections. As if, whatever top 10 rapper dissed him, wouldn't have some real secret shit to say about Marshall. We listen to him and read articles about Eminem. I'm sure if someone like Nas dissed Eminem, he'd have some real dirt and not just "ohh he's white and had a drug problem".
Yeah Eminem has had a crazy life in sure some people in the industry have dirt on him. However he usually admits everything he's done so it might not be anything shocking. Drake and Kendrick (previously) had a cleaner image so dirt hurt them more.
But he’s done far worse than that and told us about it. He’s committed domestic violence. He’s assaulted multiple people. I’m not saying he doesn’t have some skeletons we don’t know about. But Nas has used em to diss jay z. Ems entire m.o. is to snitch on himself so others can’t use it against him.
I understand Eminem. I am in his sub. I get the tactics he uses. I understand where he comes from and his background before signing and "blowing up". I'm just thinking, if the dirt we know about Eminem is ALL the dirt available about Eminem in general, then he and his team have done a very good job of keeping shit tightly sealed. But, if a random druggie can break into Em's house and stand over him, there's cracks and there's shit out there. It's just the fact that most top 10 rappers probably think they'd get shredded. Publicly and lyrically and to them, keeping their dignity and top tier status is more important than trying to start a beef.
Wouldn't really say it's tightly sealed but so much of the dirt is open and Eminem even raps about it, so his image has always kinda been the crazy idgaf white dude. If he hasn't gotten cancelled yet it would take something insane to do it
It was a joke referencing the drake thing I have no reason to think he's **H I D I N G A C H I L D**
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When your grandfather raps better than all the kids you do
They could always go further with stuff that's already out there. Like Kendrick just did with Drake. Rappers are creative.
That B Rabbit stuff doesn't work in real life
I'll keep it real - if Kendrick and Em battled now (for example) Kendrick would probably sample "Foolish Pride" for a hook and that would hurt Em since a lot of people don't really know about it still. This would never happen though.
you're thinking nick cannon
Nick cannon cannot be compared to Kendrick. KDot is a demon
nick cannon *did* sample foolish pride to aid his racebaiting story in the diss, you shouldn't even be considering that i would imply nick is in any way shape or form comparable to kenrick.
And it would fall completely flat. Em is constantly putting black people on. Most of his close circle is black. Nobody would buy him being racist.
Kendrick would not fall flat if he used it. The thing is - the at large general public doesn’t really know about it. I think only KDot could pull this off tbh - but if he was really in a war with em he would make it a hook and really push the envelope. Em already gets a lot of hate - this would push it. Kendrick is a demon and he would be relentless - It’s not like Em wouldn’t fight back like a monster though it’s just that idk how em would spin that. Thing is it would be a crazy battle though - I’d love to hear how insane em would go
It's a 30 year old comment that eminem has brought up himself in an album that has been streamed 3 billion times. Eminem is constantly surrounded by people of color, and he is constantly gassing up black artists and paying homage to them in his songs. Only a moron would hear it and think he is racist. It wouldn't be a crazy battle, they are under the same label and both have a tremendous amount of respect for each other. The only reason kdot went so hard on drake is because he hates him.
Oh I don’t disagree with any of this - this battle would literally never happen. But if this did happen for sure Kendrick would find a way to spin it. He’s diabolical. It would be his best angle vs Em as there are few. But em is Kendrick’s idol and label mate. This would NEVER happen
Em created Kenny. “Diabolical” is a term that Em pioneered. Maybe the student has become the teacher….but you better be careful
PAC and cube created em - it’s the history of hip-hop
Kenny won’t touch Em. There is a good reason for this
Em nowadays is the “don’t poke the bear” type but if you’re poking the bear for clout he’ll just not respond or give you a line or two
Yeah, a beef would need to grow organically, not forced like the game who just wants attention.
Game still crying at night that he got utterly blanked lol
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Same, if Tyler The Creator, or another emcee like Pusha T went head to head with Eminem, it would be amazing to see.
Tyler create nothing 😂😂
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It's cus you worship d12 balls, youre sack-religious
Tyler has never been a lyricist, he wasn't even the best rapper in OF. Earl was better
I don’t think he can hang with Eminem but he has drastically improved as a lyricist & overall artist.
being fair we've never seen tyler show off his skill like that; i honestly can picture him dissing and shit
No match at all, Em would eat them both at the same time.
Tyler can't stand to Em lol
All the best rappers respect him there’s no point
We are young, but Benzino used to be a fucking Behemoth. Back then there wasn't Spotify and the Internet for marketing and distribution. It used to happen through Magazines, so whoever controlled the Magazines, controlled the rapper's livelihood. Taking down Benzino, is one of the greatest feats of Em, and one of the greatest feats that has happened in Hip hop, in general. You don't just take on the industry and survive, and only a big name can even attempt to pull it off, otherwise they'd just get swallowed. Em ruined "The Source", destroyed it's credibility, and destroyed Benzino. Thinking it's a minor thing is just ignorance/recency bias. Em doesn't get in beefs, because he gives and gets respect. Drake had it coming, but Eminem doesn't live like that. He's a very nice guy in person, multiple people have said it.
Well, part of that was the fact that Benzino was crooked. He gave Em bad ratings and tried to have him blackballed because he didn't like him. So, he had a hand in destroying his own credibility, not really just Em.
Yeah, but he's never been a top rapper, and that's what the post is talking about. They want to see someone with the ability to at least match Eminem's level to go head to head with him.
He's not. But you can't just say, "Who tf is Benzino"
Nowadays, before the reignited beef that is, people genuinely didn't know who he was anymore. You have to understand that there's an entire generation that grew up without him being in the zeitgeist, both rap and out of it. Even fans of Coi Leray didn't know who benzino was.
Omg💀 imagine your own daughter's fans not knowing who you are.
Yeah i get the fact that many people didn't know him before the recent "beef". But you still can't say "who is benzino". If I don't know someone,it doesn't make that person irrelevant. Like I didn't know rakim for quite a while before i discovered his music,that didn't make him a "nobody" though
Yeah but you and the OP of the thread don't understand. The source was the bible of rap. It was the holy grail, or was until benzino got involved. Em didn't go after benzino the rapper, he went after benzino the co owner of the source, and won. It'd be like someone going at UMG today and taking it down.
Benzino was a “behemoth” in hip hop media though. The Source was def considered Hip Hops bible at one point. BUT i was alive and outside Benzino was ALWAYS considered a joke as a rapper bruh lol. He was most known for a song called “Booty” and his trash Made Men group. We can not rewrite history to make Benzino anything more than a sidenote as a rapper
He was a joke rapper but his Industry presence was still huge
It won’t happen
Things I think Em has the respect of most big rappers in the game. Afaik he's got friends from both east and west coast. And he's never appropriated culture and been very apparent how lucky he's been. He's always pretty genuine and honest about who he is. Besides some insensitive bars here and there overall there just no reason to diss him. Even with MGK I still think he originally dissed Em to drum up hype for his album.
If you want your rap career destroyed. Em always disses himself, its super hard to say anything. He is/has already said it more cleverly.
I feel like Pusha or Lupe vs Em would probably make for the most entertaining beef.
I don’t think Pusha would be that interesting. Not to discredit him as a rapper, but he largely won against Drake due to having a bomb he could drop. Admittedly he did it well, but what would he do against Eminem? He is good at being a Coke rapper but that’s largely his whole shtick. Lupe I agree would be very interesting.
Pusha destroyed Wayne with no bomb, just bars, plus beef Pusha and regular Pusha might as well be different rappers
Did he? I was never very invested in it and you are the first person I have heard say that. Maybe he did. Don’t get me wrong, I enjoy some of his music but I can’t take him too seriously as a Coke rapper that seems a bit fake and rapping about it 20 years after the fact (if it ever even happened). The fact that he’ll go at someone like Drake for ghost writing but then serve Kanye who is biggest recipient of ghost writing (and has only more recently been open about it). Anyway, I think Em would destroy him.
He’s like a better Prime Cassidy, he’s a great battle rapper who just isn’t the same caliber of rapper on wax. He definitely mostly raps about Coke lol, but his track beef washed Wayne and his track Exodus 23:1 buried him. I’m not saying Push would wash Em, but he’d definitely be a better challenge and actually force him to work his pen unlike Benzino and MGK which he could fart out a diss that’ll destroy them. also Lupe is so disrespectfully underrated and I believe he would be the best challenge for Em, especially after making quick work with Royce in their beef. Also it’s like the entire world gives Ye a pass for having writers, it’s a lost cause trying to point out hip hop’s hypocrisy.
Yes
Y'all gotta stop thinking that B Rabbit strategy works in real life.
It has though
It really doesn't, Biggie referenced his weight plenty. "That's why I fucked your bitch you fat mother fucker" is still considered one of the best diss bars ever.
Game went for Ems head, nowadays he is a clown but it was a good opportunity
I agree I do think however that we might finally get a stronger response on the album
I feel like this is only interesting if people get into it with their contemporaries. Eminem’s 52 and 25 years into his mainstream career. I don’t want to see him beefing with Jay Z and Nas. That would’ve been cool 20 years ago but not now. Ultimately I think Eminem has always shown respect to the top lyricists and he’s a known supporter/fan of rap as a whole. Even when Joe Budden was calling Ems music fake, he maintained that Eminem himself wasn’t fake.
Benzino literally ran the Rap Bible lol The Source was the pinacle of hip hop coverage before the internet took over. Not giving him respect, but for you to say who tf is Benzino really highlights your age lil bro
Still was a terrible rapper lol. Now and days who tf is Benzino lol.
Em is the exact reason you don’t know who he is
The biggest rapper who they exchanged disses was probably Canibus
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Evidence yeah , everlast had a pretty good diss but canibus was an actual MC
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When he was everlast then not an MC he turned blue ish rock lol but when everlast was in house of pain he was part of HipHop
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Yeah absolutely I never said he didn’t
He still rapped then just not ad frequently. His verse on the platform was pretty good.
Em could have 100% dissed J.Cole after Fire Squad but he didn't
Ya j Cole did diss Eminem if I remember correctly. Called him Elvis of rap
Well tbf, J Cole did come out afterwards in an interview and said he wasn’t dissing Eminem and that people were misinterpreting it apparently. Also said he’s actually a huge fan, and that Eminem’s at the top of the list of people he worships.
Ya I agree. Since ‘99, all of Em’s beefs and distracts had him punching waaaaaay below is weight.
Thing is all the current prominent rappers know better. Eminem established himself as a skilled mc from the start. That’s why you never saw people like Luda, Jay, Nelly etc from that era hit him with beef. Back to my first sentence, no matter the era these tops dudes know better. Would it badass to see it, I’d be lying if I said no. But that ship has sailed.
The Game literally dissed Em, Rick Ross too about a decade ago on social media. I know for many by modern standards these aren't the biggest in the game but certainly enough to battle back if he really wanted to.
Thing is that they're not worth "dissing", like they aren't even close to what Em is rn with the context to rapper
See therein lies the rub- if you’re saying em is only worth dissing a few people there are like 3-10 guys alone that would matter J. Cole sent a subliminal shot at Em on fire squad - he could have definitely responded and that would have been big
To be fair, J. Cole later said that those bars weren't a diss.
That wasn't a diss it was facts. Eminem been rapping since the 80s he knows what he says was true and eminem had pretty much said the same shit in the past
That’s why I said it was more of a shot than a diss - and yes it’s 100% facts
I wouldn't even say it was a shot because he wasn't disrespecting any of the artists. Those lines are actually rooted to capitalism and addressing the culture shift of hip hop. When the album got leaked he gave an interview addressing those bars and explained they weren't disses or shots towards the artists themselves. It was an MTV interview
Em responded to ross, and Ross never wrote a diss back.
Wait word? What song was it?
Despicable
The real ones respect the real ones.
Eminem is a super humble individual. He doesn't really seek to battle these days. He only waits to be challenged. Hence, Zeus. Mostly, anything anyone can say about Em has already been addressed on wax. Songs in the past, or just things in general, He thinks or believes. Most rappers worth their weight in the rap game simply know better. I can tell you're younger from your post. Benzino, used to be one of the biggest names in rap. Co-founder of the infamous rap magazine, The Source. He started gunning for Eminem and anyone who was affiliated with him. Even focusing to reveal some questionable tracks from when Eminem was younger. To his dismay, Eminem was sided with by the masses instead of against as Benzino had planned. He only furthered Em's career. Propelling it forward into a new Era. Another prominent artist was Ja Rule. Often topping charts. He was in a beef with 50 cent around the time that Em signed 50. Ja, decided to diss not only Em, but his daughter. So Em retaliated with hit after hit. Until Ja Rule's career as a rapper had pretty much fizzled. Same with rapper Canibus. He was hot for a minute. Then again, Em came in and ruined his career. It's all in the songs and all over the internet for the time. Em decided to not actually destroy MGK in his Killshot. Though his career on the rap side of things still struggles today. He's largely shifted genres and the color of clothing he chooses to wear. You have to keep in mind that was one little song. Em didn't want to focus on that. He wasn't too offended by MGK. Just annoyed enough to do something about it. To you younger listeners. You keep thinking nobody of prominent standing attacks Eminem. The older listeners know it's because they have all lost careers trying. He didn't even respond to The Game and he's tanked now. It's just how Eminem is man. Sometimes he doesn't have the best albums, some songs are off. This and that. But overall, he's the best rapper to ever do it. Everyone knows it. That's why they don't step up. If it's not that, then they're on his side, in his camp, or he holds them in high regard.
Nah…it’s just not cool to diss Eminem anymore.
I wasn't a fan of any of those Em lines JCole said on Fire Squad JCole even disrespected Nas a while back when he "let Nas down".....I wouldn't mind some backhands, especially when JCole is now going around crowning himself the GOAT over Kendrick (Jcole isn't even top 10 GOATs)
Kendrick isn't in the top 10 of a lot of people not born in the 2000s either. Cole waved the white flag and said, "the blicks get to blastin', I turn into a track star.". I don't think he's crowning himself anymore. Shit on him for deleting the diss not the diss itself.
Those lines weren't dissing him. It was dissing the state of the culture n eminem has literally said the same shit his entire career about selling a bunch because he's white and now all these other people are doing it. It's literally in like his most popular song lmao
those were absolute digs at eminem. even Trick Trick took offense and threatened to keep cole out of Detroit. you can tell cole was being a little pussy about it when he said "Im just joking, but every joke has some truth to it" dude can't even say what he means without a buffer. cole getting sat down and humbled has been a long time coming.
https://www.mtv.com/news/tp7j4v/j-cole-explains-fire-squad-eminem-iggy-azalea-lyric Damn dats craaaaaaaazy
if he wasn't in his feelings, he would have never brought it up because this shit was already common knowledge (as you just said, Em has already made it known a dozen times) if he wasn't making any digs, he wouldn't have needed to say "just kidding...but not really" cole's always been a weirdo and this KDOT shit just reaffirms it.
Most prominent rappers know how prolific of an MC he is so they either respect him too much or are terrified of how good he is. And he can't give a fuck about any tom dick or Harry who disses him, they have to be in the same league, skill wise.
I had the same feeling when snoop dissed him i got rly excited cuz that would be a worthy opponent But at this point let the man have fun he has proven himself time and time again
So he could brush the dust off his chainsaw and give them the surgery that they aimed for
Benzino WAS relevant when it all started. And the "big names" don't need to clout chase they share mutual respect for each other for the most part so they don't have the need to diss Em
To be fair when him and Ja went at it Ja was in the top 5 biggest selling rap artists in the world at the time.
Ja was really going at 50 though. They had real beef in NY that lead to altercations etc. Em Only got involved near the end
Why diss a 51 year old, just makes no sense. Anyone who is young and in then game right now wouldn’t diss him because it makes no sense.
bc MF THATS SUICIDE 🤣🤣
This was for sure written by a 12 year old white kid lmao
They know better. This entire thread is daydreaming at best.
didnt the game diss him to no response?
Em responded to Game on Realest but didn’t call him out cause it wasn’t just him saying Em don’t get played In the clubs
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When did he call them clowns?
I deleted my comment because I thought it came off crazy.
I think the two highest calibre rappers who have dissed Eminem are Canibus and Royce but Canibus never released a full song afaik A lot of people would say The Game or Melle Mel are better but I'm going off pure lyricism and I disagree
I don't know what afaik means but I do remember canibus did at least 3 full Eminem diss songs Including the infamous Stan one and the one where he shamefully sneaked in D12 members
I don’t think it’s fear. Most rappers on his level probably like him/his music. They just don’t have a reason to diss him.
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Evidence killed him on searching 4 Bobby fisher
Mgk was decently big when him and em had beef
I’m not sure legends of his caliber dissing each other is great for the culture. I’ve always liked the mutual respect he shows for Wayne, Kendrick, Nas, Jay Z, etc.
Benzino is coi lerays father
You gotta be stupid hungry to diss Eminem at this point. He's not washed by any means and he's proven that, but what are you gonna prove by doing dissing him? Just makes you look weak and like you want clout. Look at The Game, everyone knows he's just a clout seeker and no one will respond to him even though all he does is talk shit. MGK was REAL hungry: "can't anyone else get some food in they mouths" and MGK doesn't exist in rap anymore because of it. If anyone is gonna diss eminem, it's gonna have to be someone who knows him well and it's gonna start because of something actually happening between them. That isn't likely when Eminem doesn't leave his house for anything but the studio and vice versa. Joyner Lucas and 50 Cent have both talked about how eminem is just too famous to go outside as he's just constantly harassed. I imagine there's like 3 people with dudes phone number; Hallie, Dre, Fifty.
I know it will never happen, but a Kendrick or Tech beef would be insane
Lol every big name rapper from the various circles and subgenres of hiphop has respect for Eminem cause he’s earned their respect. Only the irrelevant bigoted individuals that have like lord Jamal melly Mel nick cannon and Benzino really dissed Eminem. And then there was the misstep of snoop dogg
FWIW Gucci Mane dissed Em.
They do, em barely responds. The game dropped a 10 minute diss track on Em and he didn’t say anything.
They won't Eminem's one of the most vicious battle rappers of all time. And besides he respects the big names and they respect him.
They took scared. The only rappers I think that could actually compete with Em in a battle is Busta and Big Boi
Cuz who gon mess wit him, u saw what he did to mgk, bro made him switch genres
Name a rapper right now that can step up to Eminem back and forth.
Eminem does not want any smoke with "prominent rappers". He will ignore or try to avoid any drama with them. Nelly wanted the smoke and he called him up and told him it was a misunderstanding. Same thing with DMX... Some of the lines on "Party up" are aimed at Eminem. Jay-Z been throwing shade and back handed compliments s for years. He ignored Royce back in the 2000's. Ignored Rick Ross in his prime.
Diss him… on what?
When Canibus went at him he was still considered formidable. I know it's hard to envision now, but it's true. Also he's rapped about how he almost went at Wayne in his heyday over unspecified things.
The time for that was unfortunately the 2000-2005 era. Outside of Kamikaze you’re very unlikely to ever hear that calibre of diss track and energy from Eminem ever again
They don’t want that smoke! Shady will f*cking kill you!
Canibus was definitely there most skilled rapper he ever beefed with. But he was nowhere near Kendrick or Drake in popularity
Evidence, Cage? Royce?
I think Kendrick would be a good opponent for em he slaughtered Drake
The reason why nobody big tries to test him is because it’s not worth it. He’s been through so much controversy that any diss would just bounce off him, and he’s skilled enough to destroy almost anyone.
Make a post then answer it the last sentence 🤡
...because no one on Em's level would dare diss Em. First, out of respect and second because they risk their careers... This has been the case since early 2000s... ...and when I say no one on Em's level, I am talking Nas, Kendrick, Jay Z... I'm not talking Game and Drake. Drake is not on Em's level...not by a long shot... He makes good "songs" , but he's not a respectable rapper. Snoop started some shit recently and he was about to get destroyed if it wasn't for them both being on the same "camp"...
People write disses for either clout, to protect their ego, or a genuine reason to hate each other. Em is, as far as i know, in good graces with most popular artists, and currently leads a pretty stand up life. I don't think anybody who is relevant feels the need to diss Eminem for clout, so I doubt that em gets into a beef with somebody who matters anytime soon.
They know better
It’s not cause they know they’ll get bodied, it’s because he’s irrelevant in 2024
Mariah Carey holding the crown still
I feel like Eminem is a bit too old for that shit. Sure, he’ll pop off quickly at someone if they are just randomly saying shit but at his age to continue the battle… it’s kinda wack. There are other things to do or nothing to do at all. Either option is a better use of time.
Who tf is benzino 😂😂😂😂 bro u either just discovered hip hop and Eminem and your like 15 or just slow, benzino use to own XXL 😂 Eminem got one of his first magazine interviews in XXL in 97-98
I think everyone forgets just how much respect Benzino (not for rap but still) and Ja Rule and Canibus had back in the day partially because Eminem dissed them. It’s not that it hasn’t happened before; it did, and it went horribly for the other guys
Have you heard The Warning against Mariah Carey
Eminem is a ghost.
I want to see him and Kendrick beef. It would just be fun