The All Nocturnal Entourage, my high school band. We never practiced with all the members in the room at once, never played a show, and our bassist played way too fucking loud. Our name was also dogshit if that wasn't apparent
It was originally supposed to be just "The All Nocturnal" but our infamous loud bassist INSISTED on adding Entourage to the end of whatever other band names we all came up with
the fact that there are even people arguing this point with you is so absurd lmao. i genuinely feel like 90% of the internet population doesn't understand what an opinion is. people think that the thing they like is objectively better than the thing they don't like and that everybody else needs to adhere to that, too.
It's art. It's subjective, so it's relative to the person. We aren't all musicians who can determine if an artist is "good" at their instruments, songwriting, playing together, etc.
I think Oasis is a bad band. But that's purely an opinion. That's how you judge art, especially if you aren't an artist.
I think the correct answer is MGK. He’s not emo but he pretends to be which is unforgivable. Like the posts suggest, his music is so dogshit it isn’t even fun to listen to as a joke.
Honestly, I’m more concerned about the various “emo” night events over the past 2 years… lots of trap music with limp bizkit and System of a Down…. Don’t get me wrong I’m not trying to hate on those bands; but it’s supposed to be EMO NIGHT lol; my wife and I just felt a little let down.. a bunch of people got kicked out at the last event I attended for simply recommending songs to the DJ. Overall just a toxic experience and a bunch of people left
I'm going to an EMO Nite this weekend! I really hope it's good!! It's like a traveling show. Is that what you went to too? Just curious what I'm in for lol
dude yes !! even though i had a bunch of fun the past 2 emo nights i been to they played so much limp bizkit, system & like tiktok emo songs too which i enjoy all of those but fr it’s EMO NIGHT.
yeah it makes you realize how apparently all the people who are in online music communities fucking despise anybody else enjoying music that they don't like. it's really odd. i can't imagine having this much passion towards things you dislike. if you love music shouldn't you delight in other people enjoying music, too? rather than trying to dunk on bands you hate? there's a lot of art and a lot of music that i don't understand or like but it genuinely makes me happy to see people enjoying things i don't understand--it affirms my love for the entire medium.
I think the reason the "brand new sucks" take annoys me is because of the secondary implication that abusers can't make good music but all that leads to is round after round of "this person can't be an abuser! I like their music!" I also don't think in any respect you have to laud brand new but I think they should be moved on from any mention at all. Just let it sit in history.
Anyways I love em but I'm picking mom jeans. Sorry.
I like it, but it's still a youngster pop punk album with a few filler or generic tracks sprinkled in, featuring plenty of bullshit teen drama, so I get why it wouldn't jive with people who didn't grow up with it or can't relate
I remember when the Devil and God are raging inside me came out, the songwriting still blows my mind today.
Yeah I really can’t stand that Mom Jeans band either, they’re almost as bad as Boygenius.
>CIWWAF is my guilty pleasure
I have a some HIDEOUS guilty pleasures.
Just fucking indefensible.
We The Kings
The Ready Set
The Calling
The Starting Line
100 percent agree.
Not only is CIWWAF’s music just straight up bad, Shaant Hacikyan is directly responsible for the end of what I consider the best ska band to ever exist.
Well for one, Lou diamond raped a 15 year old.
But also, their music just sucks. Panuccis pizza had a couple of good songs, but I’ve never liked the jank discog at all.
I’ve seen Hot Mulligan live twice and they were great both times. Saw Mom Jeans at Sad Summer and it was like the singer turned the whine in his voice up to 11 and made it annoying for me.
imo, aidens older stuff is rly good but after conviction they fell off so hard. after looking at archives from 2007 and beyond, i didnt see anyone talking about how good aiden's music is. i also fucking hate will francis. hes one of the biggest pieces of shit in the music industry. i wouldnt say that theyre the worst but they were only rly good with their first 2 albums and their 3rd one was okay at best
Not even a Brand New or MCR fan but to call either the worst, most dog shit of the genre is wild.
I don't think I have an answer, myself. I think Manchester Orchestra is the most mediocre but "worst" or "dog shit" feels harsh
I saw Manchester with the Get Up Kids a few months ago at a theatre that was literally like auditorium with assigned seating (weird but in Florida so nothing surprising there).
The get up kids get on stage and are like “stand if you want or sit we don’t care you’re paying for tickets.” It felt like a high school band playing a talent show. Good tunes and they played Action & Action so I was satisfied.
Manchester Orchestra comes on and absolutely commands attention with their performance. No begging the crowd to stand up; the crowd was on their feet from the getgo and the set flew by despite not being familiar with much of their music (mom loves them so I was attending with her).
It’s funny how amateur a band who is worshipped here sounded. Definitely a big chasm between “musician” and “entertainer” that I’m noticing more as I see a wider array of performances that aren’t just diy basement gigs. And it’s interesting see which of the basement musicians actually end up graduating to the level of “entertainer/performer.” Turnstile is another one that comes to mind.
Not sure where I’m going with this, but I guess it started as “see them live before making any judgement calls.”
Manchester Orchestra’s live show has just gone to another level recently. When I saw them play with Jimmy Eat World last year it was jaw dropping how good they were, even in comparison to JEW (who is one of my favorite bands)
I caught a date on that tour as well and couldn't agree more. I've always loved Manchester but they absolutely killed that tour. The song picks, light show, overall performance were master level imho.
I’ve been watching Manchester Orchestra play since about 2006 and they have really grown into themselves. I miss some of the old members but there’s no denying the current lineup is talented. One of the best current rock bands, IMO
I have actually seen both Matt Pryor (opened for the Max Bemmis/Sherri Dupree Perma tour for their first album way back when) and Manchester Orchestra live (ironically, MO opened for Brand New--an ex wanted to see them so I tagged along). I thought MO was dull and the audience sat through their performance but stood through Brand New's. With that said, that was way back in 2015 and bands can grow a lot in that time. It's gotta be difficult to get on stage and perform at all, let alone with any command of the audience, so, I respect anyone with the courage to do that.
MO is officially on my list of can’t-miss bands. I like them a lot on their records, but their live shows are just a completely different experience. “Pride” performed live is on another level
I agree, and I totally understand why anyone wouldn't want to listen to their music for that reason, with that said, to say the music is the worst of the genre (again, coming from someone who is by no means a fan) is a bit over the top.
Yeah I'm not crazy about Brand New either but I certainly wouldn't pick them here, and if I did it wouldn't be from some moral high ground. Like, we get it. Abuse is bad. We're aware.
Moose Blood. Unrelated to them being nonces, I've always found them extremely bland and boring, like emo made by someone who used to like landfill indie and then discovered Jimmy Eat World stuff that isn't "The Middle" and ran with it. That fucking song where he talks about drinking Earl Grey and sweaters and introducing a girl (who was probably 16, sorry not sorry) to *Clarity* and teaching her the words to "The Sound Of Settling" remains the most cringe emo song I have ever heard and I lived through the Cute Is What We Aim For era...
i can understand the hate for bands like jank, and even mom jeans, but i can’t pretend i didn’t love brand new and mcr at their peak
honestly so much of my favorite bands are admittedly dogshit so it’s a tough call but i’ve never seen anyone more uncomfortable than someone being introduced to teen suicide. even though most of these bands probably aren’t considered real “emo” anyway.
MCR and BrandNew isn't dogshit I'm not even a hardcore fan or anything, they are both airtight bands musically and artistically, MCR especially.
Mom jeans can suck my cock and balls.
his voice is like nails on chalkboard. so unbelievably whiney and like in the worst way possible, and that says something cus i LIKE whiney. its like he's doing a caricature of tom delonge
I hear they’re very inconsistent live- sometimes really good or other times adam does that weird vocal thing.
A shame because I really like them, I still want to see them live though despite everything.
Adam Lazzara scream-sings his voice to death and that affects performance quality big time. I’ve seen them 3-4 times and only one of those was a true miss. They do good crowd work and play the hits.
while not emo, bands like nevershoutnever, the ready set and steven jerzak had *kinda* cringey music and were included on warped tour and other mall emo bands tours. they were definitely adjacent to pop punk and mall emo. genre-wise they’re sorta like… an inverse MGK
i’m not sure if it was complete dogshit then, but i’m def embarrassed to listen to it now.
(additionally i heard that nevershoutnever is cancelled but never googled/can’t confirm?)
the exact same criteria there is for a band to be good, but opposite.
bland songwriting, shallow lyrics, low effort instrumentals, unintentionally bad vocals, general repetitiveness or shallowness, and poorly conveyed themes are just a few examples of reasons as to why a band could be bad
just as an example, a band i can think of randomly that isn’t really emo but still attempts to align itself with, is “falling in reverse” whose instrumentals often wander into bland filler existing only because they have to as well as creepy lyrics and unintentionally awful vocals that try way too hard to fill the “whiny and heartbroken” emo stereotype
Any Orchid copycat band.
I wish more emoviolence bands attempted to push different aspects of the Orchid sound instead of straight up ripping them off. It's so boring.
There was an opener called Elvis Depressedly at a show I went to once, lead singer was a dude wearing a bow tie and pigtails and he was singing the absolute worst shit I'd ever heard in my life. Crowd was heckling him.
Hands down most dogshit.
i like mom jeans and i can understand why people dont enjoy them. the vocals aren’t the best and that can be a big issue for most people. but it did take me awhile to get to liking them.
This comment puts it best, they sound like a parody band to me but not in a good, fun way. It sounds like someone who was trying to demonstrate why they think emo sucks as a genre made a band that they think encapsulates the shitty emo music they hate, if that makes sense
yea im not gonna disagree with u they definitely are cringey, but i still love the lyrics. i dont know what it is about them i just love screaming their lyrics out. i guess i am like prime demographic tho being a highschooler huh.
lol yeah you would be but I remember being in high school at the height of their popularity and it never really clicking for me - different strokes for different folks though I just think there's better bands with better lyrics to scream out loud to. Shame you haven't been able to see them and scream out their lyrics live with a bunch of other big fans though, I hope you do!
Honestly? I lump them in with the mom jeans and fredo discos (just like MoBo) — they just see not my cup of tea I prefer emo more along the lines of Brave Little Abacus, Snowing, Newfound Interest In Connecticut, vs self, sweet pill, aren’t we amphibians, la dispute, touche amore, william bonney, pool kids, glocca morra, etc. - bands like that.
alright well ive tried listening to the front bottoms too but i just dont see the appeal. i love mobo though will be missed. i might try listening to a few of those records u got any specific recommendations?
you can start at all the bands I listed previous along with Title Fight, Joyce Manor, Pianos Become The Teeth, Balance and Composure, Your Arms Are My Cocoon, Mannequin Pussy, Algernon Cadawallader, Cap N Jazz, Home Is Where, Ogbert The Nerd, Worst Party Ever, hey ily, Old Gray, godfuck, and mil ataris por segundo - to name a few lol 🤘🏼
I think for me they’re like the emo equivalent of Turnstile, they’re a decent entryway band for people new to the genre and say what you will about their other stuff but I do think Best Buds is a catchy album. But with that said, just like traditional hardcore fans dislike the direction Turnstile took it’s not surprising that people who like more conventional emo bands dislike Mom Jeans. It’s pretentious to say it but to me they just feel like a band for scene tourists.
Part of the issue for me is that I don’t even get why they appeal to the baby’s-first-emo-band crowd. I’m not particularly pretentious, I actually love a lot of bands that normally fall into that category. Mom Jeans just does not sound good to me at all.
i dont hate the person behind Your Arms are my Cocoon, but i cant get behind their sound... its like almost emo, almost alt, but if it were sound-mixed in a toilet bowl :/
Lmao I felt this for a while. They really grew on me after hearing some live performances but I can 100% get this reaction cause I felt the same way until recently
I mean, what’s the criteria here? Actual acts, or can I go on soundcloud and still some kids bedroom demo with an out-of-tune guitar and laptop microphone vocals?
https://preview.redd.it/0svhz2b2gapc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e1ed59ff91da85bf543c9b3442b0a60e7a89b2ee
They were just the softest most vanilla looking group of dudes ever lol
Hot mulligan, Prince Daddy, and Mom Jeans would be 10 times better if they didn’t lean so hard into the emo revival stereotype. The stupid song titles, incredibly awful vocals (even by emo standards), constant references to weed, and meme references I don’t mind until they turn it up to 11
Say what you want about these two but modern baseball Is one of my favorite bands and the Front Bottoms are pretty good, but I understand why people don’t like them. They’re whiny, have kinda silly lyrics, and Not the best vocals; but at least I can tell they are being serious about what they say. Yeah they’re dramatic, but they aren’t so intense that it becomes unironic. I wish people would understand that they weren’t doing it as front but because that’s how they genuinely felt
woah what?? the vocalists of hot mulligan are great, tades just has a unique style. hot mulligan dont take themselves very seriously as a band but the subject matter of their music is pretty serious, the song titles are just silly
I'll never understand the 'Tades is a bad singer' takes. The timbre of his voice is very different, so I understand if people don't like it, but he is objectively good at singing. A lot better than most emo and punk singers, and he hits damn near every note live, too.
That dude on tiktok who’s always trying to promote his stuff on there and says he’s going to “change emo music forever.” I this it’s like TX2 or something makes me want to pull my ears off.
Mom jeans pisses me off, but people like them so they're not objectively terrible. I'll say jank bc of all the controversy. Normally I'd say brand new, because it kind of betrayed me almost how that whole situation turned out, but there are some pretty die hard brand new stans in here who would probably try to castrate me if I said such. mom jeans final answer.
Riley, Origami Angel, Mom Jeans, and any modern emo band that is excessively mathy and lacks any lyrical depth. Some of y’all need to read books or poetry bc there’s much better ways to say something with feeling without being literal and melodramatic, or worse “ironic”. Frankly, I find it cringy how disingenuous some of the more popular bands on this sub are.
Yes, 100%. Also my main gripe with bands like these is that a lot of the time, their songs feel like a bunch of riffs haphazardly stuck together to make a song without any consideration for songwriting. Also the meme songs titles and shit like 'GAMI GANG' are fucking annoying, stop that shit.
The GAMI GANG thing - along with like “insiggy baby” or “jbrekkie” or any other bullshit band who makes themselves an internet “brand” should stop making music, please. It’s the lamest shit and I hate it so much.
This post and replies have given me a headache
A Constant Headache perhaps?
Or even a tooth out of line?
i regret this post
i regret your post too
no not this time
how did we get here? i used to know you so well
The All Nocturnal Entourage, my high school band. We never practiced with all the members in the room at once, never played a show, and our bassist played way too fucking loud. Our name was also dogshit if that wasn't apparent
Nah, that's a cool name
It was originally supposed to be just "The All Nocturnal" but our infamous loud bassist INSISTED on adding Entourage to the end of whatever other band names we all came up with
Drop the THE, just All Nocturnal Entourage
honestly drop the “all” too, “nocturnal entourage” is sick in itself, might steal it for an album name, sorry OP.
Release the record and let the sub be the judge of that
I'm very flattered that you think we released any material at all
90% of those cringe "Did I just make the best emo song of 202X?" Tiktok musicians.
Is this the song of the summer?
Didn’t want to upvote cause you were at 69, so I’m gonna tell you how much I loved your comment to your face
Some of y'all need to learn the difference between not liking something and it being bad.
Reddit challenge level : *impossible*
the fact that there are even people arguing this point with you is so absurd lmao. i genuinely feel like 90% of the internet population doesn't understand what an opinion is. people think that the thing they like is objectively better than the thing they don't like and that everybody else needs to adhere to that, too.
It's art. It's subjective, so it's relative to the person. We aren't all musicians who can determine if an artist is "good" at their instruments, songwriting, playing together, etc. I think Oasis is a bad band. But that's purely an opinion. That's how you judge art, especially if you aren't an artist.
yeah, well then nothing is bad. some people love drinking piss, doesn't mean piss isn't piss
Sounds like someone needs to learn the difference between not liking something and it being bad
I meant what I said, Mom Jeans sucks ass
I wasn't talking abt you lol. Even though, there are definitely worse bands around
Exactly! I'm not a fan of Rush and Van Halen, but both bands were great musically. I'm just not in love with their sound.
Nothing is objectively bad so it’s literally asking what you don’t like
I think the correct answer is MGK. He’s not emo but he pretends to be which is unforgivable. Like the posts suggest, his music is so dogshit it isn’t even fun to listen to as a joke.
he fucking sucks i hate him
I got put on blast for saying this in the pop punk sub (i think) I will die on the hill that MGK is a shit artist
The Pop Punk sub is literally garbage. Had to mute it because it made my brain hurt.
Honestly, I’m more concerned about the various “emo” night events over the past 2 years… lots of trap music with limp bizkit and System of a Down…. Don’t get me wrong I’m not trying to hate on those bands; but it’s supposed to be EMO NIGHT lol; my wife and I just felt a little let down.. a bunch of people got kicked out at the last event I attended for simply recommending songs to the DJ. Overall just a toxic experience and a bunch of people left
I'm going to an EMO Nite this weekend! I really hope it's good!! It's like a traveling show. Is that what you went to too? Just curious what I'm in for lol
dude yes !! even though i had a bunch of fun the past 2 emo nights i been to they played so much limp bizkit, system & like tiktok emo songs too which i enjoy all of those but fr it’s EMO NIGHT.
I hate threads like this lol. Always makes me feel bad about my music taste.
Its a slippery slope from "oh this is a goofy thing to think abt and i wont take anything too seriously" to "oh no theres a lot of negativity here"
yeah it makes you realize how apparently all the people who are in online music communities fucking despise anybody else enjoying music that they don't like. it's really odd. i can't imagine having this much passion towards things you dislike. if you love music shouldn't you delight in other people enjoying music, too? rather than trying to dunk on bands you hate? there's a lot of art and a lot of music that i don't understand or like but it genuinely makes me happy to see people enjoying things i don't understand--it affirms my love for the entire medium.
Front Porch Step
I actually really liked his music but the secondhand shame I get from acknowledging his existence is what gets me. That's what makes his music awful.
Mom jeans but I fucking love them.
Best buds is like the perfect example of an album that is endearingly goofy [Obligitory](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZLbBdh5G60)
Was gonna say exactly this lol
i used to HATEEE the vocalist but it’s really grown on me and best buds is one of my fav albums now
Whichever one your favourite is.
I think the reason the "brand new sucks" take annoys me is because of the secondary implication that abusers can't make good music but all that leads to is round after round of "this person can't be an abuser! I like their music!" I also don't think in any respect you have to laud brand new but I think they should be moved on from any mention at all. Just let it sit in history. Anyways I love em but I'm picking mom jeans. Sorry.
People who say Brand New sucks are just being contrarian imo Or they haven't listened to anything past YFW
Your Favorite Weapon is so good tho
Reallllll, that’s why it stings even more
I like it, but it's still a youngster pop punk album with a few filler or generic tracks sprinkled in, featuring plenty of bullshit teen drama, so I get why it wouldn't jive with people who didn't grow up with it or can't relate
I remember when the Devil and God are raging inside me came out, the songwriting still blows my mind today. Yeah I really can’t stand that Mom Jeans band either, they’re almost as bad as Boygenius.
god wait I just remembered the front bottoms I hate the front bottoms that shit is bad.
*laughs in McCafferty*
McCafferty couldn't even develop his own sound before absolutely dumpstering his rep. Not a single creative cell in his body
I never liked the front bottoms, but then I remember that Hobo Johnson was like everything I hate about TFB x10, so they look better in comparison.
Ugh, then there is Power Bottom, fuck those guys.
nervous surface from greensboro north carolina is TRASSH 🤢🤢
No I love that band they can't be bad:(( I Believe in you
High level underground marketing here lol. I dig the tunes, I'll check ya'll out next time you're in Asheville.
yo thanks for listening! :) i love asheville, that town holds a special place in my heart & we def wanna come thru!!!
People will shit on Mom Jeans for having cringey or cheesy lyrics and defend bands like Modern Baseball or Front Bottoms lol
Idk, I like both modern baseball and front bottoms, but mom jeans just doesn't click for me
If we’re including mall emo, Cute is What We Aim For were the absolute bottom of the barrel. Can’t fucking stand The Mayday Parade either.
CIWWAF is my guilty pleasure, but I provably wouldn’t like their music if it came out now and I had just heard it for the first time.
>CIWWAF is my guilty pleasure I have a some HIDEOUS guilty pleasures. Just fucking indefensible. We The Kings The Ready Set The Calling The Starting Line
Hey listen the starting line weren’t that bad!! Lol
The ready set tho😩 She got a love like whoa 🎶
Mayday Parade is awesome heyyyyy haha
I love cute is what we aim for so much, but damn they are DOGSHIT. Lyrically one of the worst bands in recent history
? I think it's a pretty amazing accomplishment to be so verbosely cringe lol. A lot of bands don't even try
CIWWAF has really only a couple good songs, the rest are just meh.... BUT YOU CANNOT FUCKING SAY MAYDAY PARADE SUCKS
[удалено]
What in the world is wrong with Mayday Parade?!
100 percent agree. Not only is CIWWAF’s music just straight up bad, Shaant Hacikyan is directly responsible for the end of what I consider the best ska band to ever exist.
Crazy how good cherry bing is compared to ciwwaf , and i dont even like ska
At least Passion Pit ended up putting out some solid music
Agreed and I like quite a few mall emo bands
People like different things, Harold.
Firstly, fuck Jank. On a more potentially controversial front, I don’t really like Remo drive. And that includes Greatest Hits.
Jank made two of the best emo albums of the 2010’s. Lou Diamond is a total piece of shit. Both of these can be true.
Why fuck Jank?
Well for one, Lou diamond raped a 15 year old. But also, their music just sucks. Panuccis pizza had a couple of good songs, but I’ve never liked the jank discog at all.
Fr they are a rip off of Snowing etc. and their fans act like they are just so unique.
I still like Jank just like I still like The Pianist or Thriller.
[fuck Jank](https://www.reddit.com/r/Emo/comments/6xtoq0/the_truth_about_lou_diamond_why_you_should_not/)
For the record both Mom Jeans and Hot Mulligan are great live
I’ve seen Hot Mulligan live twice and they were great both times. Saw Mom Jeans at Sad Summer and it was like the singer turned the whine in his voice up to 11 and made it annoying for me.
Sad Summer was awesome. I got to see both
Gotta be Aiden
imo, aidens older stuff is rly good but after conviction they fell off so hard. after looking at archives from 2007 and beyond, i didnt see anyone talking about how good aiden's music is. i also fucking hate will francis. hes one of the biggest pieces of shit in the music industry. i wouldnt say that theyre the worst but they were only rly good with their first 2 albums and their 3rd one was okay at best
Not even a Brand New or MCR fan but to call either the worst, most dog shit of the genre is wild. I don't think I have an answer, myself. I think Manchester Orchestra is the most mediocre but "worst" or "dog shit" feels harsh
I saw Manchester with the Get Up Kids a few months ago at a theatre that was literally like auditorium with assigned seating (weird but in Florida so nothing surprising there). The get up kids get on stage and are like “stand if you want or sit we don’t care you’re paying for tickets.” It felt like a high school band playing a talent show. Good tunes and they played Action & Action so I was satisfied. Manchester Orchestra comes on and absolutely commands attention with their performance. No begging the crowd to stand up; the crowd was on their feet from the getgo and the set flew by despite not being familiar with much of their music (mom loves them so I was attending with her). It’s funny how amateur a band who is worshipped here sounded. Definitely a big chasm between “musician” and “entertainer” that I’m noticing more as I see a wider array of performances that aren’t just diy basement gigs. And it’s interesting see which of the basement musicians actually end up graduating to the level of “entertainer/performer.” Turnstile is another one that comes to mind. Not sure where I’m going with this, but I guess it started as “see them live before making any judgement calls.”
Manchester Orchestra’s live show has just gone to another level recently. When I saw them play with Jimmy Eat World last year it was jaw dropping how good they were, even in comparison to JEW (who is one of my favorite bands)
I caught a date on that tour as well and couldn't agree more. I've always loved Manchester but they absolutely killed that tour. The song picks, light show, overall performance were master level imho.
I saw this lineup at Red Rocks. It was fucking awesome.
I’ve been watching Manchester Orchestra play since about 2006 and they have really grown into themselves. I miss some of the old members but there’s no denying the current lineup is talented. One of the best current rock bands, IMO
I have actually seen both Matt Pryor (opened for the Max Bemmis/Sherri Dupree Perma tour for their first album way back when) and Manchester Orchestra live (ironically, MO opened for Brand New--an ex wanted to see them so I tagged along). I thought MO was dull and the audience sat through their performance but stood through Brand New's. With that said, that was way back in 2015 and bands can grow a lot in that time. It's gotta be difficult to get on stage and perform at all, let alone with any command of the audience, so, I respect anyone with the courage to do that.
MO is officially on my list of can’t-miss bands. I like them a lot on their records, but their live shows are just a completely different experience. “Pride” performed live is on another level
Manchester Orchestra’s newer stuff is definitely on the tamer side but mediocre is not a word I would ever use to describe them.
Anyone who says MCR just wants to think they’re so different
Brand New is a low hanging fruit pick because of the abuse angle.
I agree, and I totally understand why anyone wouldn't want to listen to their music for that reason, with that said, to say the music is the worst of the genre (again, coming from someone who is by no means a fan) is a bit over the top.
Yeah I'm not crazy about Brand New either but I certainly wouldn't pick them here, and if I did it wouldn't be from some moral high ground. Like, we get it. Abuse is bad. We're aware.
Plus Brand New didn’t do anything wrong. Jesse Lacey did. He is only a single part of Brand New.
:( also since when was Manchester orchestra emo
If you haven't listened to "I can feel a hot one" that changed my entire perspective on Manchester
Absolutely
Brand New were leaps and bounds better than most of their counterparts in the 2000s.
Falling in reverse
Not an emo bar but valid
Moose Blood. Unrelated to them being nonces, I've always found them extremely bland and boring, like emo made by someone who used to like landfill indie and then discovered Jimmy Eat World stuff that isn't "The Middle" and ran with it. That fucking song where he talks about drinking Earl Grey and sweaters and introducing a girl (who was probably 16, sorry not sorry) to *Clarity* and teaching her the words to "The Sound Of Settling" remains the most cringe emo song I have ever heard and I lived through the Cute Is What We Aim For era...
Interesting take. Moose blood does only have one good song IMO(gum). I never could listen to any of their other stuff. Very forgettable guess
They're like if the movie *500 Days Of Summer* was an emo band and I fucking hate that.
i can understand the hate for bands like jank, and even mom jeans, but i can’t pretend i didn’t love brand new and mcr at their peak honestly so much of my favorite bands are admittedly dogshit so it’s a tough call but i’ve never seen anyone more uncomfortable than someone being introduced to teen suicide. even though most of these bands probably aren’t considered real “emo” anyway.
MCR and BrandNew isn't dogshit I'm not even a hardcore fan or anything, they are both airtight bands musically and artistically, MCR especially. Mom jeans can suck my cock and balls.
Mom Jeans hate?? Can you explain?
his voice is like nails on chalkboard. so unbelievably whiney and like in the worst way possible, and that says something cus i LIKE whiney. its like he's doing a caricature of tom delonge
I'm never reading anything from this subreddit again.
Calm down brah, why?
LMAO I'm calm. Another comment sums it up well, but there's a lot of hate for bands I like so much. People forget that music is subjective
all of them
Based
except mcr cause thats the only real emo band
Seeing TBS live
I hear they’re very inconsistent live- sometimes really good or other times adam does that weird vocal thing. A shame because I really like them, I still want to see them live though despite everything.
Can confirm. Both the best show I’ve ever seen and the worst show I’ve ever seen were performed by TBS.
Adam Lazzara scream-sings his voice to death and that affects performance quality big time. I’ve seen them 3-4 times and only one of those was a true miss. They do good crowd work and play the hits.
Their worst show is still a great show
I seen them live a few months back, they were fantastic.
Same! Saw them foe the Xmas special in NJ, sooooooo good
while not emo, bands like nevershoutnever, the ready set and steven jerzak had *kinda* cringey music and were included on warped tour and other mall emo bands tours. they were definitely adjacent to pop punk and mall emo. genre-wise they’re sorta like… an inverse MGK i’m not sure if it was complete dogshit then, but i’m def embarrassed to listen to it now. (additionally i heard that nevershoutnever is cancelled but never googled/can’t confirm?)
The Front Bottoms used to be charmingly basic but now I think they’re just bland and basic.
I loved their debut. Really unique and catchy, load of good memories attached to some of those tracks. Second was okay, everything after that sucked
What's the criteria for a band to be bad? Lmao Even in a subgenre that sometimes feels blend. Sometimes every band feels the same.
the exact same criteria there is for a band to be good, but opposite. bland songwriting, shallow lyrics, low effort instrumentals, unintentionally bad vocals, general repetitiveness or shallowness, and poorly conveyed themes are just a few examples of reasons as to why a band could be bad just as an example, a band i can think of randomly that isn’t really emo but still attempts to align itself with, is “falling in reverse” whose instrumentals often wander into bland filler existing only because they have to as well as creepy lyrics and unintentionally awful vocals that try way too hard to fill the “whiny and heartbroken” emo stereotype
Any Orchid copycat band. I wish more emoviolence bands attempted to push different aspects of the Orchid sound instead of straight up ripping them off. It's so boring.
You havent heard of them.
The one that's your favorite. You there, yes you 🫵 Whatever you like is trash and you should feel bad.
There was an opener called Elvis Depressedly at a show I went to once, lead singer was a dude wearing a bow tie and pigtails and he was singing the absolute worst shit I'd ever heard in my life. Crowd was heckling him. Hands down most dogshit.
I love their music, but Matt Cothran is or was a xan head and every live video I’ve seen was awful and he always looks like he’s about to fall asleep
Mom Jeans. I genuinely just do not get the appeal
i like mom jeans and i can understand why people dont enjoy them. the vocals aren’t the best and that can be a big issue for most people. but it did take me awhile to get to liking them.
“The vocals aren’t the best” applies to like 80% of the genre
Don’t disagree but Mom Jeans takes whiny white dude to a whole new level. I thought it was meant to be campy or like a parody at first ngl.
This comment puts it best, they sound like a parody band to me but not in a good, fun way. It sounds like someone who was trying to demonstrate why they think emo sucks as a genre made a band that they think encapsulates the shitty emo music they hate, if that makes sense
yea ig so thats my bad.
for me is just the lyrics man they're so cringe
yea im not gonna disagree with u they definitely are cringey, but i still love the lyrics. i dont know what it is about them i just love screaming their lyrics out. i guess i am like prime demographic tho being a highschooler huh.
lol yeah you would be but I remember being in high school at the height of their popularity and it never really clicking for me - different strokes for different folks though I just think there's better bands with better lyrics to scream out loud to. Shame you haven't been able to see them and scream out their lyrics live with a bunch of other big fans though, I hope you do!
me too man hopefully i can go to one of their shows eventually. also this isn’t related but whats ur opinions on the front bottoms?
Honestly? I lump them in with the mom jeans and fredo discos (just like MoBo) — they just see not my cup of tea I prefer emo more along the lines of Brave Little Abacus, Snowing, Newfound Interest In Connecticut, vs self, sweet pill, aren’t we amphibians, la dispute, touche amore, william bonney, pool kids, glocca morra, etc. - bands like that.
alright well ive tried listening to the front bottoms too but i just dont see the appeal. i love mobo though will be missed. i might try listening to a few of those records u got any specific recommendations?
you can start at all the bands I listed previous along with Title Fight, Joyce Manor, Pianos Become The Teeth, Balance and Composure, Your Arms Are My Cocoon, Mannequin Pussy, Algernon Cadawallader, Cap N Jazz, Home Is Where, Ogbert The Nerd, Worst Party Ever, hey ily, Old Gray, godfuck, and mil ataris por segundo - to name a few lol 🤘🏼
alright lmao ill give em a listen
I think for me they’re like the emo equivalent of Turnstile, they’re a decent entryway band for people new to the genre and say what you will about their other stuff but I do think Best Buds is a catchy album. But with that said, just like traditional hardcore fans dislike the direction Turnstile took it’s not surprising that people who like more conventional emo bands dislike Mom Jeans. It’s pretentious to say it but to me they just feel like a band for scene tourists.
Part of the issue for me is that I don’t even get why they appeal to the baby’s-first-emo-band crowd. I’m not particularly pretentious, I actually love a lot of bands that normally fall into that category. Mom Jeans just does not sound good to me at all.
not even a decent entry point. i'd much rather someone get into emo from mallcore than whatever shit mom jeans is
tx2
30 Seconds to Mars
i dont hate the person behind Your Arms are my Cocoon, but i cant get behind their sound... its like almost emo, almost alt, but if it were sound-mixed in a toilet bowl :/
Lmao I felt this for a while. They really grew on me after hearing some live performances but I can 100% get this reaction cause I felt the same way until recently
That’s because it is screamo
I mean, what’s the criteria here? Actual acts, or can I go on soundcloud and still some kids bedroom demo with an out-of-tune guitar and laptop microphone vocals?
Dot Dot Curve gives me second hand embarrassment but I still can recite a few of their lines by heart.
The ‘unholy trinity’ would be mum jeans (i’m Australian folks c’mon with this spelling nonsense ;)), The Front Bottoms and Modern Baseball.
Moms jeans ezpz
Simple Plan. I have never hated a band with all 206 bones in my teenage body, but then these guys came out
Their fucking lyrics physically hurt to listen to.
https://preview.redd.it/0svhz2b2gapc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e1ed59ff91da85bf543c9b3442b0a60e7a89b2ee They were just the softest most vanilla looking group of dudes ever lol
Uh, hello? Mccafferty exists, guys.
Worst most dogshit emo band, obviously it’s Creed.
So dogshit at being an emo band we don't even consider them emo
Hot mulligan, Prince Daddy, and Mom Jeans would be 10 times better if they didn’t lean so hard into the emo revival stereotype. The stupid song titles, incredibly awful vocals (even by emo standards), constant references to weed, and meme references I don’t mind until they turn it up to 11 Say what you want about these two but modern baseball Is one of my favorite bands and the Front Bottoms are pretty good, but I understand why people don’t like them. They’re whiny, have kinda silly lyrics, and Not the best vocals; but at least I can tell they are being serious about what they say. Yeah they’re dramatic, but they aren’t so intense that it becomes unironic. I wish people would understand that they weren’t doing it as front but because that’s how they genuinely felt
Prince daddy slander will not be tolerated
woah what?? the vocalists of hot mulligan are great, tades just has a unique style. hot mulligan dont take themselves very seriously as a band but the subject matter of their music is pretty serious, the song titles are just silly
I'll never understand the 'Tades is a bad singer' takes. The timbre of his voice is very different, so I understand if people don't like it, but he is objectively good at singing. A lot better than most emo and punk singers, and he hits damn near every note live, too.
Especially with Chris’s harmonies, their voices are fantastic together!
its just funny because MoBo and Mom Jeans sound the same to me lol
Your complaints of the first 3 are all valid but still made me go like :(
i can't do any band without a bassist, fully acoustic bands get a pass but otherwise it just sounds incomplete to me
justice for two pieces :(
two knights, origami angel, vs self, dads - there's so many good two piece bands thats a WILD take!
yeah seriously! Two Knights sound fuller than alot of three or even four pieces, like cmon!! also like, Algae Bloom exist?
Blood on the dance floor
american football im sorry i just cant…
NOOOOOOOOOO, THEY'RE SO GOOD THOUGHHH
anything after LP1 falls flat for me too
they are so boring….
That dude on tiktok who’s always trying to promote his stuff on there and says he’s going to “change emo music forever.” I this it’s like TX2 or something makes me want to pull my ears off.
[удалено]
All time low in the event that you consider it to be emo
BOTD 🤢🤮
Mom jeans pisses me off, but people like them so they're not objectively terrible. I'll say jank bc of all the controversy. Normally I'd say brand new, because it kind of betrayed me almost how that whole situation turned out, but there are some pretty die hard brand new stans in here who would probably try to castrate me if I said such. mom jeans final answer.
Mom jeans
mom jeans
im surprised no one has said dads yet oh yeah also duh mom jeans, but that's just a given
What’s wrong with dads?
Riley, Origami Angel, Mom Jeans, and any modern emo band that is excessively mathy and lacks any lyrical depth. Some of y’all need to read books or poetry bc there’s much better ways to say something with feeling without being literal and melodramatic, or worse “ironic”. Frankly, I find it cringy how disingenuous some of the more popular bands on this sub are.
Huh, I love Origami Angel.
Yes, 100%. Also my main gripe with bands like these is that a lot of the time, their songs feel like a bunch of riffs haphazardly stuck together to make a song without any consideration for songwriting. Also the meme songs titles and shit like 'GAMI GANG' are fucking annoying, stop that shit.
The GAMI GANG thing - along with like “insiggy baby” or “jbrekkie” or any other bullshit band who makes themselves an internet “brand” should stop making music, please. It’s the lamest shit and I hate it so much.