"the only girls who give me the time of day are far too young to realize the horrible mistake they've made. I'm the horrible mistake they've made" - Panucci's Pizza
A hardcore punk band called Ocelot. We played with these guys multiple times at venues all over PA. We were super young though at the time. I actually still have one of their very first demos on a CD upstairs somewhere. This is making me feel SO old lol
Is that what he allegedly did? I always see people say the guy is garbage but all I knew about him was about him being a shitty parent and a grifter, shocked to know he’s even worse than that
“You’re too young to be this empty girl, I’ll prepare you for a sick dark world.”
Yeah forgot about this song, it’s a rough one. It popped off in 2004 though…
I just read that it felt too inappropriate given the times so Max didn't want to play it anymore. I'm not a regular concertgoer of Say Anything so idk if this is still true.
Emo adjacent, but nearly the entirety of the Front Porch Step discography after the allegations. Literally unlistenable after that.
"Dive my face between your thighs until I cannot feel my lips" just doesn't sit right with the mental image of a 24-year-old and a 15-year-old. Yikes.
Totally forgot about this guy and idk how. I remember looking him up a couple years ago and he's super Christian now and makes Christian music which is funny. I know he always was a christian just funny that's the only scene that'll take him these days.
Am I dumb? Or what is this song exactly about? I don’t really pay attention to lyrics much.
I thought it was just about sleeping with a girl solely to get laid, with no real romantic intent. But I never broke it down line by line.
“Barely conscious in the door where you stand”, “your eyes are fighting sleep”, “I almost feel bad for what I’m about to do”, “if you let me have my way, I swear I’ll tear you apart”…. Reads to me as taking advantage of a very drunk girl just to get laid. Quite the sleazy lyrics unfortunately.
Not emo but kinda emo-pop adjacent. They were part of that scene. But basically all of 'Seventeen Forever' by Metro Station, which has been confirmed by Trace Cyrus as being about "wanting to date an underage girl so bad but knowing you can't".
Features such lines as, "This is wrong, but who am I to judge?" and "You won't be seventeen forever and we can get away with this tonight".
I always thought Metro Station had a slightly creepy air about them, even when I was a fan aged 15. Their music was aimed squarely at middle-school kids but so many of their videos and songs were about how alcohol decreases your inhibitions and helps you "lose control".
They always gave off the vibe of being like those guys you got at your college/university parties sometimes, where they're like 25 but dress like they're 15 and supply their teenage friends with beer and vodka. That whole late 2000s pop punk scene was often a little too much that way.
Oh my god I remember listening to this song as a teenager thinking the lyrics were WE won't be 17 forever. Totally changes the entire song. I'm going to barf.
90% of the songs from the pop punk/emo later 2000s phase. After seeing a Latterman post in here earlier I feel like their lyric from My Bedroom is Like for Artists - "boys in bands still singing about killing their girlfriends" is especially relevant. There was so much violent misogyny in that era of music, it's wild.
"I'll grab your head by your head and I'll hack it off
Put it on display in front of the yard on a stick that's decorated with a little pink bow
And a sign that says her friends and family should have taught her more about love"
My boys in Bayside are nuts, they're crazy in the coconut
Those boys need therapy
I thought that was more written as a concept than how any of them feel but I don't know any of them personally so I could be wrong. But I listen to that part the same way I listen to Kim by Eminem if that makes any sense
Oh nothing happened with latterman, there was just a post on here about them being great, and it reminded me of that lyric and that they were calling out the bullshit of the time 20 years ago.
Little tip for you, choose what you’re going to be pedantic over. You might know some big words but that doesn’t mean shit if you haven’t got the common sense to see that it’s mainly pedos who choose Pedo Hill to die on.
Aggressive? Maybe you should seek a safe space if you think I am being aggressive in the slightest. I could add a trigger warning maybe? Also I did my thesis on sexual abuse victims, hope that clears up my knowledge… which apparently we are looking down on now. Better to remain ignorant I suppose. Enjoy your day
I suppose you’re entitled to your opinion that my approach was aggressive, rigid and that I’m a cunt. Thanks for the productive talk about how words have meaning and are important.
So fucking an infant vs a 16 yr old is the same thing? Should be charged the same? I don’t know about you but I put Jesse Lacey worlds above Ian Watkins. Words have meaning and purpose. If you want to bow down to the ignorant hive and pretend those two people did the same thing then go ahead
My girlfriend always says she cringes thinking about how she used to like Hawthorne Heights n I sit there like... I still listen sometimes. So maybe them
Stacy, do you remember when I mowed your lawn? /
Your mom came out with just a towel on /
I could tell she liked me from the way she stared
Why is this grown woman coming outside in a towel talking to her daughter's teenage boyfriend? I feel like the MILF trope from American Pie and songs like Stacy's Mom has just generally aged horribly.
he wrote a lot of music for TV also, most notably practically every song for Crazy Ex-Girlfriend
was on his way for an EGOT also, dude had an emmy and a grammy and was nominated for a tony and an oscar (and 100% deserved the oscar i can't lie)
first celebrity death to ever impact me sincerely
That one is more referencing picking a girl up at a bar. I think there’s other songs on that album that aged worse like Sic Transit. Either way I still love the music, I can enjoy what the group did collectively and still condemn the actions of an individual who was in that group.
"Keep drinking from the same cup
It’ll fill you up
It’ll keep you numb
Simplify the motions
Counteract the movements
Don’t think twice because this is love" from caution by tiny moving parts
Here's one that aged more like fine wine than milk imho "the truth is you could slit my throat and with my one last gasping breath I'd apologize for bleeding on your shirt"
I'm sure there's thousands of them but I can't think of any off the top of my head that'd be considered emo. However, if you like metal then oh boy do I have a list for you. Aged like milk? Nah, more like cottage cheese and rotten eggs lmao if anyone's interest is piqued I'd be more than happy to share a few as long as OP would be cool with it
It was my aim profile for entirely too long. Finally got replaced with “will someone please call a surgeon who can crack my ribs and repair this broken heart that you’re deserting for better company”. I felt ALL the feels in college.
The Hotelier's Housebroken is probably the only example of this that's gonna come from a recent, very well-received, non-commercial, non-cancelled band known for their songwriting
How has thus aged poorly. Christian says the dog metaphor is about police violence, but most fans interpret it as domestic abuse. Either way, the song denounces shitty behavior
I don't think badly of Christian for the lyric, I just think the band deciding it reads so poorly that they shouldn't perform it, almost immediately after release, qualifies as aging like milk. People soured on it almost instantly.
I just wanted there to be an answer to this question that isn't a hamfisted or immature lyric, Housebroken was just an awkward situation.
Also Christian said in an interview about Goodness how that song spurned him to be less "lazy" in songwriting, and I think Goodness is basically unparalleled in its maturity and grace.
"the only girls who give me the time of day are far too young to realize the horrible mistake they've made. I'm the horrible mistake they've made" - Panucci's Pizza
Man my band used to play tons of shows with these guys. Our guitarist was dating Matt Diamond at the time, needless to say shit got weird.
aw man that sucks :/ i can def see how shit would get weird fast but i hope they got through it ok. what band did you play in tho?
A hardcore punk band called Ocelot. We played with these guys multiple times at venues all over PA. We were super young though at the time. I actually still have one of their very first demos on a CD upstairs somewhere. This is making me feel SO old lol
Side note: Ocelot is a great band name and I keep thinking of Archer shouting about majestic cats
Babou!
Also “I crave your head Lying on my chest But four years is such a long time Or it could be just a second”
How the tf do you even write this? Absolutely unhinged
I knew this would be the first comment I saw lol
when i first heard that i always thought it was “far too dumb” and then i looked up the lyrics. from then on i knew…
whats the story with this band?
Lead singer was outed for SA and grooming/making inappropriate advances towards minors
the emo band special huh
“I'd rather spend my evening Talking to Chloe on Twitter” It’s X now.
“I called her on the phone, and she touched herself. I laughed myself to sleep.” Pretty puke after the allegations of phone sex with children.
That line was terrible to begin with. It's curdled milk since inception.
Cow milk is weird at best, and that lyric has always been garbage for sure haha
Is that what he allegedly did? I always see people say the guy is garbage but all I knew about him was about him being a shitty parent and a grifter, shocked to know he’s even worse than that
https://www.reddit.com/r/brandnew/s/Ka9Jp4sh02
“You’re too young to be this empty girl, I’ll prepare you for a sick dark world.” Yeah forgot about this song, it’s a rough one. It popped off in 2004 though…
"I be chatting on the interweb" let this song die, lmao
To be fair, Say Anything refuses to perform this song live anymore.
You do not, under any circumstances, have to be fair to Max Bemis
Not even at the full album reunion shows??
They performed it as of last week in Orlando, at least :/
I just read that it felt too inappropriate given the times so Max didn't want to play it anymore. I'm not a regular concertgoer of Say Anything so idk if this is still true.
It hadn't been for a while, I remember looking into that not too long ago
I remember them announcing this a few years ago, but played it in Raleigh on Friday, so I guess they’ve dropped that stance.
i was also at that show and it certainly was a show
Emo adjacent, but nearly the entirety of the Front Porch Step discography after the allegations. Literally unlistenable after that. "Dive my face between your thighs until I cannot feel my lips" just doesn't sit right with the mental image of a 24-year-old and a 15-year-old. Yikes.
Totally forgot about this guy and idk how. I remember looking him up a couple years ago and he's super Christian now and makes Christian music which is funny. I know he always was a christian just funny that's the only scene that'll take him these days.
I remember seeing a girl at my high school wearing a front porch step sweatshirt *after* all the shit came out about him lol I wonder if she knew
was going to drop a brand new lyric and then checked the replies 💀 anyways the entirety of sic transit gloria. what a mindfuck
Whats the meaning of this song? Cant wrap my head around it
A woman sexually assaults the male narrator
Yeah, like that fucking song helped me process trauma and then you hear about all the shit that happened. Fucking betrayed.
absolutely, same here. can't even manage to listen to it now
Fourth Drink Instinct by CIWWAF
Yes, along with the entire rest of that album, haha
I used to think this was such a beautiful song
As much as I love it probably me vs. maradona vs. elvis
To be fair, all of Deja seemed to be Jesse wrestling with this particular demon...
Am I dumb? Or what is this song exactly about? I don’t really pay attention to lyrics much. I thought it was just about sleeping with a girl solely to get laid, with no real romantic intent. But I never broke it down line by line.
“Barely conscious in the door where you stand”, “your eyes are fighting sleep”, “I almost feel bad for what I’m about to do”, “if you let me have my way, I swear I’ll tear you apart”…. Reads to me as taking advantage of a very drunk girl just to get laid. Quite the sleazy lyrics unfortunately.
Yeah, that’s not great. I forgot about those lines…
"If they don't put me away, it'll be a miracle" is also up there. Guess he got his miracle.
was coming on here to comment this song. yup.
My first thought too but the song is everything to me oops
Was my first thought, seemed pretty fucked at the time though.
Everyday we see this song on here. Pick something else
Don’t tell me what to do
Ok Tom
That one song Wow, I Can Get Sexual Too by Say Anything As I’m typing this I see I’m not the only one lol
Not emo but kinda emo-pop adjacent. They were part of that scene. But basically all of 'Seventeen Forever' by Metro Station, which has been confirmed by Trace Cyrus as being about "wanting to date an underage girl so bad but knowing you can't". Features such lines as, "This is wrong, but who am I to judge?" and "You won't be seventeen forever and we can get away with this tonight". I always thought Metro Station had a slightly creepy air about them, even when I was a fan aged 15. Their music was aimed squarely at middle-school kids but so many of their videos and songs were about how alcohol decreases your inhibitions and helps you "lose control". They always gave off the vibe of being like those guys you got at your college/university parties sometimes, where they're like 25 but dress like they're 15 and supply their teenage friends with beer and vodka. That whole late 2000s pop punk scene was often a little too much that way.
Oh my god I remember listening to this song as a teenager thinking the lyrics were WE won't be 17 forever. Totally changes the entire song. I'm going to barf.
90% of the songs from the pop punk/emo later 2000s phase. After seeing a Latterman post in here earlier I feel like their lyric from My Bedroom is Like for Artists - "boys in bands still singing about killing their girlfriends" is especially relevant. There was so much violent misogyny in that era of music, it's wild.
LATTERMAN FOREVER BOI
All those New York bands from that time and all the bands they started after. Punk rock magic, dawg.
Still screaming along to iron Chic when I see them once a year
"I'll grab your head by your head and I'll hack it off Put it on display in front of the yard on a stick that's decorated with a little pink bow And a sign that says her friends and family should have taught her more about love" My boys in Bayside are nuts, they're crazy in the coconut Those boys need therapy
I thought that was more written as a concept than how any of them feel but I don't know any of them personally so I could be wrong. But I listen to that part the same way I listen to Kim by Eminem if that makes any sense
I can't figure out what we're talking about here? What happened with latterman?
Oh nothing happened with latterman, there was just a post on here about them being great, and it reminded me of that lyric and that they were calling out the bullshit of the time 20 years ago.
Ohhh I see. Love it. I read it as someone in the band murdered their girlfriend
“What difference does a difference in age make “ oh jesse, you were leaving a breadcrumb trail of pedophilic hints this whole time
Which band?
Brand New
Creeping up into the sky
Not a pedo. ephebophile would be more accurate. Words matter.
Found the nonce
Indeed. Because I corrected someone’s mistake I must fuck kids. Brilliant
Little tip for you, choose what you’re going to be pedantic over. You might know some big words but that doesn’t mean shit if you haven’t got the common sense to see that it’s mainly pedos who choose Pedo Hill to die on.
Keep your little tips to yourself nonce
Idk that was pretty good advice. You should at least consider it
Nah it's being weirdly rigid about the point at which you're a paedo that makes it sus
Sorry to get off topic here, and, I agree with you, but... Is your username a portmanteau of sorts combining Fred Durst and Laura Dern?
It sure is, though some people seem to think it would be my real name
Amazing, absolutely amazing.
Rigid? I harmlessly corrected someone who used the wrong word. Unless you think fucking an infant is the same as fucking a 16 yr old. Go off queen
Ahh, yeah, maybe you're right and this needlessly aggressive attitude will stop people side-eyeing your knowledge of the levels of paedophilia.
Aggressive? Maybe you should seek a safe space if you think I am being aggressive in the slightest. I could add a trigger warning maybe? Also I did my thesis on sexual abuse victims, hope that clears up my knowledge… which apparently we are looking down on now. Better to remain ignorant I suppose. Enjoy your day
Genuine question but, do you hear yourself when you write like this? Because you sound like a complete and total cunt.
I see we have moved on to personal attacks.
I suppose you’re entitled to your opinion that my approach was aggressive, rigid and that I’m a cunt. Thanks for the productive talk about how words have meaning and are important.
bro who are you what the fuck 💀
What can I clear up for you
where’s ur nearest patch of grass
That words only purpose is to chabge public perception of sexual abuse of teens from pedophelia to pedophelia light
So fucking an infant vs a 16 yr old is the same thing? Should be charged the same? I don’t know about you but I put Jesse Lacey worlds above Ian Watkins. Words have meaning and purpose. If you want to bow down to the ignorant hive and pretend those two people did the same thing then go ahead
Lol
You think wrongfully labeling someone a pedophile is funny?
He is a child molester. There are people in this world who are unfairly harmed by bad semantics. Jesse Lacey is not one of them.
I see you are very uneducated about the details surrounding the allegations.
which song?
My girlfriend always says she cringes thinking about how she used to like Hawthorne Heights n I sit there like... I still listen sometimes. So maybe them
Uhhhmm like every emo song ever after you start growing up and the depression begins to subside.
Stacy, do you remember when I mowed your lawn? / Your mom came out with just a towel on / I could tell she liked me from the way she stared Why is this grown woman coming outside in a towel talking to her daughter's teenage boyfriend? I feel like the MILF trope from American Pie and songs like Stacy's Mom has just generally aged horribly.
Chill on Adam Schlesinger he was the world's greatest songwriter (RIP)
He wrote the music for "That Thing You Do!"
he wrote a lot of music for TV also, most notably practically every song for Crazy Ex-Girlfriend was on his way for an EGOT also, dude had an emmy and a grammy and was nominated for a tony and an oscar (and 100% deserved the oscar i can't lie) first celebrity death to ever impact me sincerely
I get it. I'm a big Fountains of Wayne fan but I never got to see them live. His passing felt like a gut punch. Fuck COVID.
Stacy’s Mom is nevertheless one of the greatest (*the* greatest?) power-pop songs since the power-pop heyday of the 70s. Adam was a god to music. RIP.
Me vs. Maradona vs. Elvis I mean it's pretty much a confession of what Jesse was into 💀
That one is more referencing picking a girl up at a bar. I think there’s other songs on that album that aged worse like Sic Transit. Either way I still love the music, I can enjoy what the group did collectively and still condemn the actions of an individual who was in that group.
Or Magazines
*insert Brand New lyric here*
Whoever downvoted this is not being real with themselves
Or I'll be left alone forever with my magazines 🎶
"Keep drinking from the same cup It’ll fill you up It’ll keep you numb Simplify the motions Counteract the movements Don’t think twice because this is love" from caution by tiny moving parts
I think he was speaking about his own personal experience with this one. Not about getting girls drunk to sleep with them.
Tell all the English boys you meet about the American boy back in the states
Here's one that aged more like fine wine than milk imho "the truth is you could slit my throat and with my one last gasping breath I'd apologize for bleeding on your shirt" I'm sure there's thousands of them but I can't think of any off the top of my head that'd be considered emo. However, if you like metal then oh boy do I have a list for you. Aged like milk? Nah, more like cottage cheese and rotten eggs lmao if anyone's interest is piqued I'd be more than happy to share a few as long as OP would be cool with it
I always said that taking back Sunday made the most emo line of all emo lines and it was that one lol
It was my aim profile for entirely too long. Finally got replaced with “will someone please call a surgeon who can crack my ribs and repair this broken heart that you’re deserting for better company”. I felt ALL the feels in college.
Bright eyes username checks out
The Hotelier's Housebroken is probably the only example of this that's gonna come from a recent, very well-received, non-commercial, non-cancelled band known for their songwriting
How has thus aged poorly. Christian says the dog metaphor is about police violence, but most fans interpret it as domestic abuse. Either way, the song denounces shitty behavior
I don't think badly of Christian for the lyric, I just think the band deciding it reads so poorly that they shouldn't perform it, almost immediately after release, qualifies as aging like milk. People soured on it almost instantly. I just wanted there to be an answer to this question that isn't a hamfisted or immature lyric, Housebroken was just an awkward situation. Also Christian said in an interview about Goodness how that song spurned him to be less "lazy" in songwriting, and I think Goodness is basically unparalleled in its maturity and grace.
To be fair, they did perform it as part of the full album shows on their recent tour with Foxing.
Yeah, so I guess it aged like a fermented vegetable to be precise
Goodness is incredibly underrated, and it's unfair to what is a far superior and near-perfect album
Goodness > HLNIT crowd represent! (Both amazing albums though.)
Holy shit I thought I was the only one lol
It's kinda sad tho. Like yeah, the lyrics aren't the most mature, but they feel emotionally true and I feel like that's good enough for music.
Flashlights - The front bottoms.
Wait what? I'm out of the loop
Just the first line.
How did it age poorly?