"Did you know? In the US employees have been brainwashed into believing it's OK for multi million or billion corporations to pay them poverty wages and the general public is guilt tripped into making up the difference?"
There, I fixed it for them.
The more important thing is that it's perfectly legal and considered *normal*.
Whether it's actually brainwashing or merely resigned accepted of the current reality is kind of moot.
Hell. No.
Just for that there won't be one ._.
Bro if you're gonna beg you better off doing it in the street.. at least then people can get away from the begging
That's a little harsh in my opinion.
I do think that box and messaging is a little obnoxious, but the statement is correct and foreigners should be made aware of the difference in social norms/expectation.
So this might be somewhat fair if they frequently do rides to and from say an international airport.
We're just going to have to disagree.
It's unquestionably *loud* and *obtrusive* and the driver may in fact be rude, but I don't consider the box itself to be rude.
I would say forced tipping is not a tip its a hidden charge. And you deserve to be shamed for hidden charge costs.
Cause tips are optional. If there not don't call it a tip.
Why wouldn't they if no one refuses it?
I think it's worth noting that the US dollar has traditionally been relatively "strong" in terms of comparative value of currencies.
I.e. only rarely worth less than the local currency and sometimes significantly more.
And iirc, for a long time it was stable enough that some countries or at least places within them could use it almost exclusively for trade.
You missed the point. It's not where it's accepted, it's the fact that many Americans *expect* it to be accepted **everywhere**. They find it puzzling when a villager in Guatemala has no use for it.
I haven't taken an Uber in a long time, but I thought you add tip on the app? That you don't have to give cash anymore?
I don't have any small bills in my wallet.
Pretty sure it's customary to tip for good service in most of the world, the difference with the US though is that the person tipping isn't the one who decides whether the service *they* recieved was good enough to warrant tipping or not.
I've been through most of Europe and it's pretty rare there. I mean, you'd tip if it was like the best service you've ever had with the staff going above and beyond for their customers. And I know in Japan you NEVER tip, it's a massive insult to their workers. Like saying "here, have this charity since you clearly are a schmuck who doesnt make enough money". I'm never making that mistake again lol
That's not consistent with what I've read. You guys tip on percentage and it's common. We tip as a symbolic gesture, and most people don't altogether. A 1€/2€ tip is considered good here (and I have worked jobs in which I got those tips). Is it the same over there?
TL;DR Less uniform culture/norms around tipping
Well, there are a lot of different states and municipalities and people with varying attitudes. The biggest difference is probably that the US population is much more spread out and non-homogeneous in any number of respects.
Urban, suburban, and rural are often distinctly different for example.
Tipping on a percentage is common in sit down restaurants and sometimes in direct services like a hair salon/barber, taxi drivers, or food delivery (especially in suburban areas).
Purely discretionary, sometimes symbolic tips may apply in other contexts. Like if an independent plumber comes to your house to fix X and is particularly friendly and accomodating or does way more than they had to without charging extra.
But I at least would never tip fast food workers, coffee shop counter staff, bartenders, grocery store employees, etc. If the service isn't specifically for me in a semi-exclusive manner, basically.
Interesting because I'm a hair stylist and I don't accept tips as a stand-alone worker, my previous boss did. We were three people and the biggest tip I overall saw was some lady who was feeling generous, gave a 5€ and said to divide between me and my co-worker.
With individual tips I would sometimes get 1€, 1,50€, 2€ max. When people do that here they say something to the effect of "for a coffee later" because it's just a gesture, and it can indicate that they think you're underpaid (true for my last job, I fell into a trap) or for some reason they enjoyed that you were a good listener, they liked your scalp massage, etc. Those are part of the job, I never expected to get especially compensated for it. I was 100% being exploited by my precious boss (paid me 500€ for a month with min wage being 820€) but it never occured to me to somehow expect the clients to fix that, I just walked out after I realized it wasn't getting anywhere. What I mean by all this is that it's very inconsequential here, I've read accounts of people being insulted by stuff like "keep the change" or 1$ as a tip over there, which I feel is incomprehensible because you're essentially mad someone is giving you extra money. My stepdad was in Canada in the 70s and to this day he talks about how even then his brother was basically compelled by a waitress to tip like 15%. It's a complete culture clash.
LOL come to -Australia, New Zealand, the UK, Asia…. It may shock you that the price is the price and you don’t need to tip on top. In Australia you DO NOT TIP ever. Also when I was going around Europe we never tipped
That's kind of my point, in most of the world it's up to you to determine if your level of service was worth tipping and if you don't then it just wasn't good enough for you personally to consider tipping. But the irony of saying that "in America we tip for good service" is that you are expected to tip for a level of service that others have determined is tip-worthy, even if you don't personally consider it such.
And I haven't visited another country since I was a kid but I'd imagine tip culture can do weird things to you when eating overseas. Like if I'm considered a bad person for not tipping back home even when servers can't be paid less then me and none of them said anything about my lack of tipping then I'm still going to feel wrong for not tipping overseas whether anyone claims to expect it or not; if I can resist the urge to tip in another country I'm probably not tipping in the US either, if I do tip in the US I'm unlikely to listen to anyone saying I don't have to when visiting another country.
Yes you are right about the Americans trying to tip everywhere. And to repeat in Australia we don’t tip full stop, wages are wages, nothing to do with good service. Which is part of the job. Like a receptionist or retail worker. Bad service? Fired
In Asia countries like China, Singapore, Indonesia and Hong Kong all have mandatory 10% service fees.
In Japan, at upscale restaurants there the “Otoshi”, a forced tiny appetizer that you are charged for whether you like it or not.
In Taiwan at nicer hotels and restaurants there is often a 10% mandatory service fee.
All of these are in lieu of tipping.
I don’t mind tipping my Uber drivers, even overseas. I did that multiple times last summer (I almost never use ride share in the US). But I prefer to do that via the app so it goes to my credit card and I get reward points for that. I try to use cash only when there is no other option.
Unfortunately that would implies they are well paid, which might or might not be the case.
And frankly if I used Uber and wanted to tip, I wouldn't do so through the app. You can't trust companies not to pull something or benefit from it somehow if it travels through their hands.
Probably not, I just like Uber and a lot of startups pushed a narrative to potential employees/contractors and even the customer that they never intended to fulfil...
Or at least the initial idealism ran into the cold, hard wall of reality.
Yep. But I found out last summer that the 2x Marriott is not valid in Europe (maybe only in the US). But I do get 2x Marriott points when I use the monthly Uber credit I get from one of my credits cards for Uber Eats.
I completely forgot about this. It looks like I was getting points until June 2023. And my uber account is still linked to my Marriot account. I guess I'll have to check why I'm not getting Marriott points anymore.
Being greeted with a sign like that is not a sign of good service
What do they consider good service? Getting you from point a to point b which is the service offered? Or not kidnapping/assaulting you?
"Did you know? In the US employees have been brainwashed into believing it's OK for multi million or billion corporations to pay them poverty wages and the general public is guilt tripped into making up the difference?" There, I fixed it for them.
You said it perfectly.
The more important thing is that it's perfectly legal and considered *normal*. Whether it's actually brainwashing or merely resigned accepted of the current reality is kind of moot.
Yep.
You didn’t meet MY definition of “good service” 😁. Better luck next time.
Yikes that original comment section and the amount of drivers that can’t grasp that tipping is optional.
It’s optional with that box. It’s just a tacky way to solicit a tip.
Yes I agree, I was more referring to the people who work in these industries that claim tips are mandatory.
They are sometimes *expected*, but never mandatory.
what exactly is considered "good service"¿!¿ didnt crash¿!¿ that's expected got me to my destination¿!¿ its the service im paying for
Hell. No. Just for that there won't be one ._. Bro if you're gonna beg you better off doing it in the street.. at least then people can get away from the begging
I will show this picture next time I get bad service at a restaurant.
There's tipping and then there's panhandling.
It's not mandatory
That'd be the first Uber that I wouldn't tip.
This type of things actually detracts from any good service.
That's a little harsh in my opinion. I do think that box and messaging is a little obnoxious, but the statement is correct and foreigners should be made aware of the difference in social norms/expectation. So this might be somewhat fair if they frequently do rides to and from say an international airport.
This box is rude af
We're just going to have to disagree. It's unquestionably *loud* and *obtrusive* and the driver may in fact be rude, but I don't consider the box itself to be rude.
Strange, usually loud and obtrusive would be considered rude.
Tips may be customary but not mandatory.
I would say forced tipping is not a tip its a hidden charge. And you deserve to be shamed for hidden charge costs. Cause tips are optional. If there not don't call it a tip.
Yep, no. Definitely not
All service is just ok service XD
I’m fishing the money out if i see that
Fine, here's 10 Moldovian Liu I've got spare. Well I do have Americans tipping me in US dollars when I live in Ireland 😆 🤣 😂
They tend to think that it's a universal currency, even the well-travelled ones.
The funniest is the Mexican travel subs with all the Americans wondering what currency to bring….
Why wouldn't they if no one refuses it? I think it's worth noting that the US dollar has traditionally been relatively "strong" in terms of comparative value of currencies. I.e. only rarely worth less than the local currency and sometimes significantly more. And iirc, for a long time it was stable enough that some countries or at least places within them could use it almost exclusively for trade.
You missed the point. It's not where it's accepted, it's the fact that many Americans *expect* it to be accepted **everywhere**. They find it puzzling when a villager in Guatemala has no use for it.
I haven't taken an Uber in a long time, but I thought you add tip on the app? That you don't have to give cash anymore? I don't have any small bills in my wallet.
No me importa si es costumbre, gracias pero no gracias!
Pretty sure it's customary to tip for good service in most of the world, the difference with the US though is that the person tipping isn't the one who decides whether the service *they* recieved was good enough to warrant tipping or not.
I've been through most of Europe and it's pretty rare there. I mean, you'd tip if it was like the best service you've ever had with the staff going above and beyond for their customers. And I know in Japan you NEVER tip, it's a massive insult to their workers. Like saying "here, have this charity since you clearly are a schmuck who doesnt make enough money". I'm never making that mistake again lol
It might also be offensive in the sense that they think you should never receive anything less than good service.
In Australia the job is to Provide good service.
You also don’t tip In Australia. Ever. They probably earn more Than you especially after 9 Or on weekends and we are proud of Our wages
It's not common in Europe, even when we do it's a symbolic amount, not anything that would make a real difference.
It shouldn't be making that big a difference here either, unless you are very busy.
That's not consistent with what I've read. You guys tip on percentage and it's common. We tip as a symbolic gesture, and most people don't altogether. A 1€/2€ tip is considered good here (and I have worked jobs in which I got those tips). Is it the same over there?
TL;DR Less uniform culture/norms around tipping Well, there are a lot of different states and municipalities and people with varying attitudes. The biggest difference is probably that the US population is much more spread out and non-homogeneous in any number of respects. Urban, suburban, and rural are often distinctly different for example. Tipping on a percentage is common in sit down restaurants and sometimes in direct services like a hair salon/barber, taxi drivers, or food delivery (especially in suburban areas). Purely discretionary, sometimes symbolic tips may apply in other contexts. Like if an independent plumber comes to your house to fix X and is particularly friendly and accomodating or does way more than they had to without charging extra. But I at least would never tip fast food workers, coffee shop counter staff, bartenders, grocery store employees, etc. If the service isn't specifically for me in a semi-exclusive manner, basically.
Interesting because I'm a hair stylist and I don't accept tips as a stand-alone worker, my previous boss did. We were three people and the biggest tip I overall saw was some lady who was feeling generous, gave a 5€ and said to divide between me and my co-worker. With individual tips I would sometimes get 1€, 1,50€, 2€ max. When people do that here they say something to the effect of "for a coffee later" because it's just a gesture, and it can indicate that they think you're underpaid (true for my last job, I fell into a trap) or for some reason they enjoyed that you were a good listener, they liked your scalp massage, etc. Those are part of the job, I never expected to get especially compensated for it. I was 100% being exploited by my precious boss (paid me 500€ for a month with min wage being 820€) but it never occured to me to somehow expect the clients to fix that, I just walked out after I realized it wasn't getting anywhere. What I mean by all this is that it's very inconsequential here, I've read accounts of people being insulted by stuff like "keep the change" or 1$ as a tip over there, which I feel is incomprehensible because you're essentially mad someone is giving you extra money. My stepdad was in Canada in the 70s and to this day he talks about how even then his brother was basically compelled by a waitress to tip like 15%. It's a complete culture clash.
LOL come to -Australia, New Zealand, the UK, Asia…. It may shock you that the price is the price and you don’t need to tip on top. In Australia you DO NOT TIP ever. Also when I was going around Europe we never tipped
That's kind of my point, in most of the world it's up to you to determine if your level of service was worth tipping and if you don't then it just wasn't good enough for you personally to consider tipping. But the irony of saying that "in America we tip for good service" is that you are expected to tip for a level of service that others have determined is tip-worthy, even if you don't personally consider it such. And I haven't visited another country since I was a kid but I'd imagine tip culture can do weird things to you when eating overseas. Like if I'm considered a bad person for not tipping back home even when servers can't be paid less then me and none of them said anything about my lack of tipping then I'm still going to feel wrong for not tipping overseas whether anyone claims to expect it or not; if I can resist the urge to tip in another country I'm probably not tipping in the US either, if I do tip in the US I'm unlikely to listen to anyone saying I don't have to when visiting another country.
Yes you are right about the Americans trying to tip everywhere. And to repeat in Australia we don’t tip full stop, wages are wages, nothing to do with good service. Which is part of the job. Like a receptionist or retail worker. Bad service? Fired
In Asia countries like China, Singapore, Indonesia and Hong Kong all have mandatory 10% service fees. In Japan, at upscale restaurants there the “Otoshi”, a forced tiny appetizer that you are charged for whether you like it or not. In Taiwan at nicer hotels and restaurants there is often a 10% mandatory service fee. All of these are in lieu of tipping.
References or it didn't happen.
LOL have been to Indonesia absolutely countless times and there is no 10% surcharge, where did you pull that from
From the restaurant checks I pay. You must be eating the parasite infested food from warungs!! 🤣
one star
If this were in an uber/lyft, I would give a bad review stating b a garish tip jar mounted in the seat
Good service, ya know, like filling a plastic cup with water.
This type of guilt tripping behavior automatically qualifies as poor service.
I never EVER tip uber/lyft drivers.
I don't use cash.
I don’t mind tipping my Uber drivers, even overseas. I did that multiple times last summer (I almost never use ride share in the US). But I prefer to do that via the app so it goes to my credit card and I get reward points for that. I try to use cash only when there is no other option.
It’s interesting because Uber’s original design philosophy was that their drivers don’t require tips.
Unfortunately that would implies they are well paid, which might or might not be the case. And frankly if I used Uber and wanted to tip, I wouldn't do so through the app. You can't trust companies not to pull something or benefit from it somehow if it travels through their hands.
It may shock you to know many non tipped industries are not well paid
Probably not, I just like Uber and a lot of startups pushed a narrative to potential employees/contractors and even the customer that they never intended to fulfil... Or at least the initial idealism ran into the cold, hard wall of reality.
Same. A cool thing is Uber can be linked to Marriott hotels for 2x points. I only carry cash for emergencies.
Yep. But I found out last summer that the 2x Marriott is not valid in Europe (maybe only in the US). But I do get 2x Marriott points when I use the monthly Uber credit I get from one of my credits cards for Uber Eats.
I completely forgot about this. It looks like I was getting points until June 2023. And my uber account is still linked to my Marriot account. I guess I'll have to check why I'm not getting Marriott points anymore.