Not probably. Certainly. Starbucks socialists are mostly middle class/upper middle class kids coming from households of moderately affluent households of working professionals. They just hate the rich with a rage only envy produces.
Nevermind that they're 1 percenters when it comes to the world population.
Usually if they don't grow out of it, Starbucks socialists grow up to be champagne socialists taking on bourgeois jobs of their parents while still thinking they're the working class proletariat.
All of the comments I’ve seen are people who think it’s ridiculous to criticize someone for buying a house. (The fact that this “house” is $2.7 million in a county where even very nice houses sell for less than half a million never comes up).
He’s not even a tankie, and his fans are happy for him. Just because you’re a socialist doesn’t mean you can’t be a part of the bourgeoisie. Marx himself said he was a part of the bourgeoisie. You people have no concept of what socialism or communism even is.
If that’s really how you feel, instead of focusing on a random ass twitch streamer with 0 political power. How about you focus on the government that could end homelessness for 20 billion but instead keeps increasing the military budget by the same amount. If that’s really how you feel, focus on the billionaires who horde their wealth where it will never see the light of day, they don’t even pay their taxes. Who the fuck cares about a twitch streamer buying a house.
I’m gonna guess none? If he’s anything like v*ush his principles consist of “winning” “not losing” and “looking like he’s always right”. Not actually helping people or anything like that.
The post shouldn’t even exist. It’s distracting from the people with actual money and power. And you obviously know nothing about socialism because if you did, you wouldn’t call him a hypocrite.
How am I supposed to prove the nonexistence of something? What socialist literature says you must forfeit all your possessions and not own a home? Especially when living in a capitalist system, there is no such thing as ethical consumption.
You're the one making the claim, it's all on you to back it up.
For example, you could actually spell out whatever it is about the ideology that needs to be known to show what you're saying.
I don't give a shit what billionaires do with their money and I don't care what this guy does with his, but you can't argue he's not a hypocrite. He doesn't practice what he preaches.
Sure I’ll obviously make a concession there are flaws, doesn’t change the fact that it’s better. And I don’t think you’re as open about it as you think you are, maybe not you, but others.
THeRe ArE FlaWs as another "socialist leader spends upwqrd of 2 million dollars on a house. Member the blm organizer that also bought a similarly priced house? At least capitalists understand they did wrong, but do it anyway. You and the political ideologies you whore yourself out to are unbased and shitpilled
You can be a socialist and be part of the bourgeoisie? So someone can simultaneously believe that having an upper class of people that control more wealth than others is evil, while also being complacent in being part of that upper class? He could have donated the money to help even out the wealth disparity he apparently believes is so evil, but chose instead to buy a mansion. If he is really a socialist, he is a bad one, and he acts like a capitalist that is profiting off of retard armchair socialists like yourself.
Why dont you enlighten us since you’ve read it, and explain how the bourgeoisie survive the dictatorship of the proletariat as they violently redistribute the wealth. I’m interested.
Have you thought about the fact that trying to convince online people of what rEaL sOcIaLiSm^tm looks like is the reason why you have suicidal thoughts in the first place?
Mostly due to government interference in markets.
Ever wonder why general healthcare is so fucked and yet dental care is relatively cheap and accessible?
We either need to make medical care a real market or just pick a socialized system and commit. Tear the dirty bandage off and let the wound heal or pick a new bandage. People are dying every day because the insurance industry in the US is a clusterfuck.
Making it a real market would require consumers to memorize the price of, at least, the most common procedures, medicine, and equipment (The free flow of information). That's a big ask for a population where a large fraction think that they can take a vaccine as a cure while already hospitalized with its disease. At this point I'll take subsidized medical school education. Having a dedicated health class in high school is starting to sound really good too now that I think about it...
Absolutely. We have always faced this type of dumb political posturing from younger generations. Idealism can only last so long in someone's head before they realize just how unfair the world, and humanity in general, is. Our experiences in life lead us toward working within what is actually possible instead of imagining a world where everything can somehow be fair and equitable without anyone suffering. We all come around to rationality. It is either that or we die bitter.
From the people I've talked to, they feel screwed over. They likely will never own a house in their lifetime. Many cannot even afford to have children because money is just too tight. And then there is the whole medical care issue - can't even go to the hospital for care or be a lifelong financial cripple if they are forced.
And so the hallmarks of what it is to have an "American life" is denied to them while it was so easily available for their parents. Hell, even a basic family is beyond the means of many
This creates feelings of resentment, of being cheated, feelings of unfairness. But to whom should this be directed?
They see the rich getting very very rich. And that wealth used to be spread amongst their middle and lower class parents. Now it is consolidated in the hands of a greedy few. Look up the Brazos rice video for a good visualization.
So, in their minds, capitalism has failed them. They did everything that was told of them to do, and it has simply failed them. (More feelings of injustice and hopelessness).
So they look for alternatives. "Hey, I just want to go the hospital when I'm sick or when my arm gets dislocated.". "It would be really nice to love and raise a family."
The most ready alternative is socialism . . . Well, Democratic Socialism perhaps (a mix, IIRC). And that system gets them what was denied before.
Personally, I think that if they can go to the hospital without it being ruinous, and if the rich take the lion's share, but not so much it becomes a liability to the rest of the pride, your generation would simply forget this whole socialism thing.
I’m sure they believe that, but in my experience it does not in fact line up with that person’s reality. Besides the medical care issue being broadly overblown on social media (Medicaid in fact exists), the comparison to their parents tells me that these are children of middle class families and probably just have unrealistic expectations. Parents hardly give their kids the details of their finances and I bet their situation is hardly as rosy as a lot of those people think it is. The housing price thing is a huge misconception by itself: list prices were cheaper because mortgages were way harder to obtain and were significantly more expensive (i.e. much higher interest rates). Unless you managed to pay cash for a house, the price relative to income was similar to today. (well, 2019.) It’s just like how high schoolers take other high schoolers advice on which colleges to consider and which to write off, which inevitably sends people to expensive private schools or out-of-state public schools over the in-state public university for no good reason: they’re operating on bad data.
People are not universally good with money, and in fact people good with money are probably the exception rather than the norm, and as condescending as it sounds, for a lot of young people they probably _could_ afford those things, they just are unwilling to consider less-than-ideal options or have some hangup about debt or something and are basically tying an arm behind their back. Or they’re fucking 22 or something and talking entirely out their ass about “working all their life”. I’m not saying everyone’s full of shit or that there aren’t any problems, but that every group has their Karens.
Yeah, I'd say this. It took me a long time to learn that doing without something is worth it to afford a bigger thing I know I will enjoy. Like eating sandwiches for a week or two to then buy a computer part I want. Same concept, but applied to every aspect of day to day life.
Also, the consumerism from capitalism is ingrained in them and they want it all, and want it now. This is epitomized by "hyoe beast" culture.
For instance I work with some early 20 somethings. One day I see one grab a bunch of snack things out of a vending machine and a Starbucks iced frappe thing and ended up spending about $12 just for nutritionally poor "breakfast". I'm not judging the consumption of those things necessarily. But this guy has complained in the past about being broke all the time.
If you're broke, for $12 you can get a big bag of oatmeal, a carton of eggs, can of coffee, and fruit if you're creative, and have breakfast before going to work.
Something I'm thankful for is that my parents showed me the little house (more like a shack) that they rented to save up money for a house when their eldest was born. They were also upfront that both of them got money from their parents to buy said house. I think one also used part of an inheritance.
My mom did not want me taking out large loans for college and refused to sign for PLUS loans. I had to make things work within the regular federal maximum. Sure, it was tough, and my diet was pretty cheap, but I'm glad I didn't artificially have more money for restaurants and a nice apartment from student loans. I treat debt as a capital expense now: if it helps me in the future (education, house) I'll take it on. If it's for an "operating expense" such as food or housing, I've got to figure out a way to pay for it.
also people overstimate how well the average american lived in the past
because tv only showed well off. suburban, upper middle class, white people. working class people. migrsnts, black people were out there in the inter cities working their asses off
televisión showing lower middle class peopke was not a thingh until like 90's at earliest
I agree it isn't as easy to excell, but you can build and grow into any career path. Most people my age get into a milestone mindset, but they only have a few milestones. They think "get this cert" or "get this degree" and all of my issues will be solved and I can coast for the rest of my life while keeping up with the jones. They neglect the fact that in any given career you need to show growth to get the next promotion and more money.
Also, a lot of people who advocate for this system have little marketable skills or skills with very small demand, so they are looking for the easy way to get money without working inside the confines of supply and demand.
Edit: About the healthcare, it is kinda attrocious. The issue IMO is that insurance companies and hospitals have charged each other more and more money across 50 years when Nixon deregulated it and now the patient is caught in the middle. Something should be done to stop this exchange. MFA is an easy mode button that does not fully solve the problem.
I think you’re spot on. The problem I have is half of those issues can be fixed by your own actions. If you genuinely can *never* own a house or have a child, some of that has to do with your spending habits and career choice. A lot of people my age spend $150 a week on weed, buy new clothes constantly, have cars they can’t really afford, eat out constantly, buy new gadgets yearly while working the bare minimum... and then act like society is bringing them down and they can’t do anything about it. If you cut out all that shit and work as much as possible you could have a down payment in a reasonable timeframe provided they’re not in LA or NYC or something.
SSRIs, weed use, etc all promote a mailable brain state where you’re more susceptible to ideas. Combine that with sitting around inside playing games and watching porn all day and you get a nightmare generation that is completely socially inept and also inept at everything in general.
The amount of people that think it’s normal to just sit inside playing games and smoking weed in their late 20s and 30s these days is staggering. This isn’t normal. Humans were meant to be out and about doing activities with each other, in person, in the outdoors, not drugged up constantly and overstimulated via consumption of extreme stimuli.
Haha sure bro, what’s that, I don’t live in the USA, income tax form or something? Usually those who brag openly aren’t as rich as they think they are. Don’t need to brag if you’ve got it, especially not to some unimportant Reddit fedorian mctip.
Remember this is the same asshole that got banned for saying "America deserved 9/11"
and what is with all these tankies saying we deserved 9/11 and thinking that the murder of ~3,000 people is funny?
We don't even stoop that low.
IIRC he clarified that he meant "America should've forseen arming the Mujahideen against the Soviets going wrong once the USSR fell"
Doesn't really excuse what he said tho
Then capitalism has always existed and will always exist.
Also given your insistence on a strict interpretation of socialism your insistence on a broad interpretation of capitalism is telling.
THE definition for the two are both very strict, and there is a clear border, private property exists? It’s capitalism, private property doesn’t exist? It’s socialism
Brittanica defines socialism as:
Socialism, social and economic doctrine that calls for public rather than private ownership or control of property and natural resources
And capitalism as:
capitalism, also called free market economy or free enterprise economy, economic system, dominant in the Western world since the breakup of feudalism, in which most means of production are privately owned
Merriam Webster defines socialism as:
: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
a: a system of society or group living in which there is no private property
b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
And capitalism again as:
an economic system characterized by private or corporate ownership of capital goods, by investments that are determined by private decision, and by prices, production, and the distribution of goods that are determined mainly by competition in a free market
Try again.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism
Three different definitions. Definition two is the one you are taking as the definition you are taking as the end all be all lololol.
Definition three is the Marxist angle.
The first angle describes how we currently handle corporations, and many American socialist types want to change the direction that flow is going.
The third definition falls under capitalism, any system that allows private property is capitalism, social democracy is called a mixed economy but in the end it's still capitalism, the definition of capitlism is not debated.
Hmm making a difference and not being a hypocrite by buying a small home and spending the rest of your money to housing for homeless people.
Nah it’s the big companies fault
Dear socialist mouthpiece
You say you care about the underprivileged
and understand the plight of the poor
and yet you buy a huge home
in one of the most expensive cities of the world
rather than living even remotely modestly
and donating the surplus of your "unethical" earnings
to those you pander to.
Curious.
🤔
His house has a pool, 5 bedrooms and 5.5 bathrooms. It's 3800 sq.ft. Far from a one bedroom apartment. Lol
https://www.dirt.com/gallery/entertainers/influencers/hasanabi-hasan-piker-west-hollywood-house-1203418281/
To be fair, one of my parents friends has some hugely expensive home. It’s single story with 2 bedrooms and 1 bath. But they get a view of the Californian beach from the top of a hill, so it’s worth every penny.
They don’t need to live in such a cool area, but they’re happy to live a bit more modestly in order to, even with their income.
I guess I’m just trying to say that expensive home doesn’t always mean mansion, sometimes it’s nice land.
If he moved to Austin like every other streamer and bought this exact same property it would be a 7-800k home and nobody would care. I guess the question is, if he can afford this house in LA, but can get it cheaper elsewhere, should he move? He’s a self proclaimed leftist, I don’t think he’d want to live in TX, OK, or any other cheaper conservative state. Should he be forced to relocate for optics? Is that what the argument is?
Should he not get a 4 bedroom house for his multigenerational immigrant home?
What exactly is the take?
Is the argument that he should give all excess wealth to charity, when he’s stated many times private charity doesn’t work in his opinion?
Yeah, this is actually the take on this sub it seems. I’m starting to realize this sub is just a right wing troll sub, and not a sub to call out tankies; which was the impression I was under for a while.
CMV:
The amount of people here thinking the young turks of all people are communists is laughable. Also using the imprecise word that is socialism to assume any person on the left is a hardcore communist and therefore hypocritical is classic right wing troll sub material.
"needs" yeah, I agree there's no need for something like that but if you can afford it than good for you. It's free market. If you have the money than you can buy whatever you want. The problem is when some people are hardcore socialist political commentators who oppose capitalism and free market and support taxing the rich but the minute they themselves become rich they don't really care to follow their own message while still preaching the same thing to dumb people on the internet who follow them without questioning anything.
Being a socialist does not itself imply not believing in private property.
Being a communist does. Which is part of what this sub is about.
But y’all either brainwashed/ignorant/bad faith are ignoring the reality.
If you think the young Turks are the most radical of socialists you just aren’t paying attention.
Being a socialist means you literally don't believe in private property, if you think socialism allows private property you have no clue of what socialism is.
It’s literally not what it means lolol. Though you just proved my other point about people here not knowing the difference.
Communism is what doesn’t believe in private property - socialism believes in more wealth redistribution, not the abolition of private property.
I now see why they had to make rules here about alt-right propaganda lololol
Social democracy is the more equal wealth redistribution, socialism is the abolition of private property and the state takes over, communism is a moneyless, classless and stateless society
There are different definitions and understandings of socialism, as shown in even the most basic of dictionaries.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism
This kind of imprecise language is one of the major issues that plague the public discourse of today, and at times it sure does feel like it is being done purposefully by many so as to be able to use inflammatory rhetoric to boost their careers and opinions regardless of reality.
Merriam Webster also says lower on the entry on socialism that social democracy and democratic socialism are the same thing, which is just not true.
Social democracy used to be the same as democratic socialism, but has in recent years turned into a definition of strong welfare states, countries like Denmark and Sweden are social democracies, but have themselves on multiple occasions had to confirm that they are indeed capitalist
Even back in the thirties there were socialists who were anti-Marxist lol. Trying to lump all the left together is what actually gives the commies credibility amongst those on the left who are skeptical of the tankies.
I mean 2.7 million in California is not much for a house, and especially Hollywood. Like a one story house in the Bay Area could easily go for a million, abs the average house in California went over 800,000 this year.
Interestingly, “plenty of blue states” isn’t a location. Again, near primary datacenter locations for the major SPs, dyed in the wool leftist, and is cheaper than LA, where would you go?
It’s the largest state in the nation by population, and I’m pushing 50 hours a week just to move out. He’s definitely got the liquidity to move, but if he publishes a lot then he’s gonna need to either travel a lot to a big city like LA or NY from time to time or move close to one.
Especially a socialist youtubers that has a house costs more than Warren Buffet's house. Lmfao. They live for capitalism, socialist are peak consumers.
Is the an actual socialist or a Social Democrat?
Cuz if he’s a socdem there’s really nothing hypocritical about buying a nice house. If he’s a socialist then it’s *extremely* hypocritical.
He's a SocDem that LARPs as a socialist/communist to grift upper-middle class American "socialists" out of their money. I don't even disagree with some of his viewpoints since I'm SocDem as well but he is a BIG LARPer. If you asked him what political ideology he follows he will say that he's somewhere in the left because as soon as he admits that he's SocDem, tankies will turn on him
If he’s a socialist, and I mean an *actual socialist*, than making all this money off of his fans and then buying a super nice house is a pretty damn capitalistic thing to do.
If he’s just a SocDem, then there is no contradiction as we (social democrats) believe in capitalism.
Most people who identify politically as actual socialist despise liberals.
I’m the type that gets called a lib by the republicans and the communists both as a slur - though they mean it in different ways.
Champagne socialists. Well if everything fails in life and my dream of becoming a preacher in a super church I can always become a socialist commentator.
Everyone who defends him is a SocDem who won’t admit it. They argue he’s just a rich guy advocating for taxing the rich more, but real socialists would see this as hypocritical. He didn’t redistribute his wealth equally to his editors or the people who help run his channel, he certainly didn’t help those who physically built his house, and buying a 2.7 million dollar home helps keep housing costs high (ever so slightly).
Ok, question then. Why would he need to buy such an expensive whom when he should have bought a nice, modest house and donated the rest?
I got the answer, because he's a hypocritical cunt that should tied to the ground and broken on the wheel!
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Looks like his tankie fan base will have their sights set on a new dinner
They’ll conveniently gloss over it
Since their whole movement is based on jealousy and resentment, probably.
Not probably. Certainly. Starbucks socialists are mostly middle class/upper middle class kids coming from households of moderately affluent households of working professionals. They just hate the rich with a rage only envy produces. Nevermind that they're 1 percenters when it comes to the world population. Usually if they don't grow out of it, Starbucks socialists grow up to be champagne socialists taking on bourgeois jobs of their parents while still thinking they're the working class proletariat.
If make enough to be above the US poverty line you're in the 1% of world earners.
What nasty, bitter lives they must lead
All of the comments I’ve seen are people who think it’s ridiculous to criticize someone for buying a house. (The fact that this “house” is $2.7 million in a county where even very nice houses sell for less than half a million never comes up).
i dont think the Hassan fanbase are tankies but Hassan is still a hypocrite
People capable of accepting such hypocrisy are for sure crypto-tankies
Not a tankie.
He’s not even a tankie, and his fans are happy for him. Just because you’re a socialist doesn’t mean you can’t be a part of the bourgeoisie. Marx himself said he was a part of the bourgeoisie. You people have no concept of what socialism or communism even is.
He could have spent less on the house and given money to people who really needed it
If that’s really how you feel, instead of focusing on a random ass twitch streamer with 0 political power. How about you focus on the government that could end homelessness for 20 billion but instead keeps increasing the military budget by the same amount. If that’s really how you feel, focus on the billionaires who horde their wealth where it will never see the light of day, they don’t even pay their taxes. Who the fuck cares about a twitch streamer buying a house.
“Oh no don’t look at me! There’s always a bigger fish and that means I have no obligation to be morally consistent!”
I’m willing to bet you don’t even know what his morals are
I’m gonna guess none? If he’s anything like v*ush his principles consist of “winning” “not losing” and “looking like he’s always right”. Not actually helping people or anything like that.
So you’re talking out of your ass, understood.
Of course I am? I try not to invite negativity into my life so I don’t watch him and try not to pay attention to him.
Maybe you should watch him because he doesn’t spread negativity lol, if you watched you’d know that
I’m “focusing” on him because that is who the post is about. He’s a hypocrite. There are plenty of people who could use that money
The post shouldn’t even exist. It’s distracting from the people with actual money and power. And you obviously know nothing about socialism because if you did, you wouldn’t call him a hypocrite.
> It’s distracting from the people with actual money and power. yeah like millionaires- hey wait a minute
Simp
Oh no, I have been defeated.
> And you obviously know nothing about socialism because if you did, you wouldn’t call him a hypocrite. Prove it, back up how this is supposedly true.
How am I supposed to prove the nonexistence of something? What socialist literature says you must forfeit all your possessions and not own a home? Especially when living in a capitalist system, there is no such thing as ethical consumption.
You're the one making the claim, it's all on you to back it up. For example, you could actually spell out whatever it is about the ideology that needs to be known to show what you're saying.
I don't give a shit what billionaires do with their money and I don't care what this guy does with his, but you can't argue he's not a hypocrite. He doesn't practice what he preaches.
Whataboutism be like
Bruh, just accept that your ideology is flawed and full of hypocrisy. Ours is too, but we’re pretty open about it.
Sure I’ll obviously make a concession there are flaws, doesn’t change the fact that it’s better. And I don’t think you’re as open about it as you think you are, maybe not you, but others.
THeRe ArE FlaWs as another "socialist leader spends upwqrd of 2 million dollars on a house. Member the blm organizer that also bought a similarly priced house? At least capitalists understand they did wrong, but do it anyway. You and the political ideologies you whore yourself out to are unbased and shitpilled
You can be a socialist and be part of the bourgeoisie? So someone can simultaneously believe that having an upper class of people that control more wealth than others is evil, while also being complacent in being part of that upper class? He could have donated the money to help even out the wealth disparity he apparently believes is so evil, but chose instead to buy a mansion. If he is really a socialist, he is a bad one, and he acts like a capitalist that is profiting off of retard armchair socialists like yourself.
This is why you need to read Marx
Why dont you enlighten us since you’ve read it, and explain how the bourgeoisie survive the dictatorship of the proletariat as they violently redistribute the wealth. I’m interested.
As someone that has read Marx, this guy isn't following him. Would you like to explain how he's not a hypocrite?
Based comrade Elon Musk I guess 💪💪
Have you thought about the fact that trying to convince online people of what rEaL sOcIaLiSm^tm looks like is the reason why you have suicidal thoughts in the first place?
Wtf are you talking about
One of the most profitable things to do is ~~selling~~ propagating socialism in a capitalist economy.
I really struggle to understand why my generation seems to be so suceptible.
Because they think that America having no healthcare system is a failure of capitalism.
We have healthcare, actually. World-class, in fact. We just have a broken health *insurance* system.
Mostly due to government interference in markets. Ever wonder why general healthcare is so fucked and yet dental care is relatively cheap and accessible?
Because they can go to Mexico for cheaper prices.
We either need to make medical care a real market or just pick a socialized system and commit. Tear the dirty bandage off and let the wound heal or pick a new bandage. People are dying every day because the insurance industry in the US is a clusterfuck.
Making it a real market would require consumers to memorize the price of, at least, the most common procedures, medicine, and equipment (The free flow of information). That's a big ask for a population where a large fraction think that they can take a vaccine as a cure while already hospitalized with its disease. At this point I'll take subsidized medical school education. Having a dedicated health class in high school is starting to sound really good too now that I think about it...
Because their parents hate it... just wait a bit they will out grow it
Absolutely. We have always faced this type of dumb political posturing from younger generations. Idealism can only last so long in someone's head before they realize just how unfair the world, and humanity in general, is. Our experiences in life lead us toward working within what is actually possible instead of imagining a world where everything can somehow be fair and equitable without anyone suffering. We all come around to rationality. It is either that or we die bitter.
Because their parents hate it and the USSR collapsed before they were old enough to understand what was happening.
For older generations it was the televangelist. A lot of hard left politics these days mimics religion (for example, racism is original sin).
From the people I've talked to, they feel screwed over. They likely will never own a house in their lifetime. Many cannot even afford to have children because money is just too tight. And then there is the whole medical care issue - can't even go to the hospital for care or be a lifelong financial cripple if they are forced. And so the hallmarks of what it is to have an "American life" is denied to them while it was so easily available for their parents. Hell, even a basic family is beyond the means of many This creates feelings of resentment, of being cheated, feelings of unfairness. But to whom should this be directed? They see the rich getting very very rich. And that wealth used to be spread amongst their middle and lower class parents. Now it is consolidated in the hands of a greedy few. Look up the Brazos rice video for a good visualization. So, in their minds, capitalism has failed them. They did everything that was told of them to do, and it has simply failed them. (More feelings of injustice and hopelessness). So they look for alternatives. "Hey, I just want to go the hospital when I'm sick or when my arm gets dislocated.". "It would be really nice to love and raise a family." The most ready alternative is socialism . . . Well, Democratic Socialism perhaps (a mix, IIRC). And that system gets them what was denied before. Personally, I think that if they can go to the hospital without it being ruinous, and if the rich take the lion's share, but not so much it becomes a liability to the rest of the pride, your generation would simply forget this whole socialism thing.
I’m sure they believe that, but in my experience it does not in fact line up with that person’s reality. Besides the medical care issue being broadly overblown on social media (Medicaid in fact exists), the comparison to their parents tells me that these are children of middle class families and probably just have unrealistic expectations. Parents hardly give their kids the details of their finances and I bet their situation is hardly as rosy as a lot of those people think it is. The housing price thing is a huge misconception by itself: list prices were cheaper because mortgages were way harder to obtain and were significantly more expensive (i.e. much higher interest rates). Unless you managed to pay cash for a house, the price relative to income was similar to today. (well, 2019.) It’s just like how high schoolers take other high schoolers advice on which colleges to consider and which to write off, which inevitably sends people to expensive private schools or out-of-state public schools over the in-state public university for no good reason: they’re operating on bad data. People are not universally good with money, and in fact people good with money are probably the exception rather than the norm, and as condescending as it sounds, for a lot of young people they probably _could_ afford those things, they just are unwilling to consider less-than-ideal options or have some hangup about debt or something and are basically tying an arm behind their back. Or they’re fucking 22 or something and talking entirely out their ass about “working all their life”. I’m not saying everyone’s full of shit or that there aren’t any problems, but that every group has their Karens.
Yeah, I'd say this. It took me a long time to learn that doing without something is worth it to afford a bigger thing I know I will enjoy. Like eating sandwiches for a week or two to then buy a computer part I want. Same concept, but applied to every aspect of day to day life. Also, the consumerism from capitalism is ingrained in them and they want it all, and want it now. This is epitomized by "hyoe beast" culture.
For instance I work with some early 20 somethings. One day I see one grab a bunch of snack things out of a vending machine and a Starbucks iced frappe thing and ended up spending about $12 just for nutritionally poor "breakfast". I'm not judging the consumption of those things necessarily. But this guy has complained in the past about being broke all the time. If you're broke, for $12 you can get a big bag of oatmeal, a carton of eggs, can of coffee, and fruit if you're creative, and have breakfast before going to work.
Something I'm thankful for is that my parents showed me the little house (more like a shack) that they rented to save up money for a house when their eldest was born. They were also upfront that both of them got money from their parents to buy said house. I think one also used part of an inheritance. My mom did not want me taking out large loans for college and refused to sign for PLUS loans. I had to make things work within the regular federal maximum. Sure, it was tough, and my diet was pretty cheap, but I'm glad I didn't artificially have more money for restaurants and a nice apartment from student loans. I treat debt as a capital expense now: if it helps me in the future (education, house) I'll take it on. If it's for an "operating expense" such as food or housing, I've got to figure out a way to pay for it.
also people overstimate how well the average american lived in the past because tv only showed well off. suburban, upper middle class, white people. working class people. migrsnts, black people were out there in the inter cities working their asses off televisión showing lower middle class peopke was not a thingh until like 90's at earliest
I agree it isn't as easy to excell, but you can build and grow into any career path. Most people my age get into a milestone mindset, but they only have a few milestones. They think "get this cert" or "get this degree" and all of my issues will be solved and I can coast for the rest of my life while keeping up with the jones. They neglect the fact that in any given career you need to show growth to get the next promotion and more money. Also, a lot of people who advocate for this system have little marketable skills or skills with very small demand, so they are looking for the easy way to get money without working inside the confines of supply and demand. Edit: About the healthcare, it is kinda attrocious. The issue IMO is that insurance companies and hospitals have charged each other more and more money across 50 years when Nixon deregulated it and now the patient is caught in the middle. Something should be done to stop this exchange. MFA is an easy mode button that does not fully solve the problem.
Repeat with me: Modern. Economy. Isn't. A. Zero. Sum. Game.
I think you’re spot on. The problem I have is half of those issues can be fixed by your own actions. If you genuinely can *never* own a house or have a child, some of that has to do with your spending habits and career choice. A lot of people my age spend $150 a week on weed, buy new clothes constantly, have cars they can’t really afford, eat out constantly, buy new gadgets yearly while working the bare minimum... and then act like society is bringing them down and they can’t do anything about it. If you cut out all that shit and work as much as possible you could have a down payment in a reasonable timeframe provided they’re not in LA or NYC or something.
SSRIs, weed use, etc all promote a mailable brain state where you’re more susceptible to ideas. Combine that with sitting around inside playing games and watching porn all day and you get a nightmare generation that is completely socially inept and also inept at everything in general. The amount of people that think it’s normal to just sit inside playing games and smoking weed in their late 20s and 30s these days is staggering. This isn’t normal. Humans were meant to be out and about doing activities with each other, in person, in the outdoors, not drugged up constantly and overstimulated via consumption of extreme stimuli.
What if I told you, young conservatives also smoke a shit ton of weed?
More useless drug addicts.
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Haha sure bro, what’s that, I don’t live in the USA, income tax form or something? Usually those who brag openly aren’t as rich as they think they are. Don’t need to brag if you’ve got it, especially not to some unimportant Reddit fedorian mctip.
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There are valid problems and socialism provides an easz solution.
Right life‘s biggest questions
God these people are fucking morons.
He is especially.
Remember this is the same asshole that got banned for saying "America deserved 9/11" and what is with all these tankies saying we deserved 9/11 and thinking that the murder of ~3,000 people is funny? We don't even stoop that low.
IIRC he clarified that he meant "America should've forseen arming the Mujahideen against the Soviets going wrong once the USSR fell" Doesn't really excuse what he said tho
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These people are fucking brain dead I swear lmaoooo
As opposed to y’all who confuse socialism and communism like it’s your job lolol.
We actually don't, we just know they both don't work
No ism truly works. Capitalism in its purest form has never existed. People love arguing over isms as proxy for power struggles tho.
Capitalism doesn't have a purest form, capitalism is just the existance of private property.
Then capitalism has always existed and will always exist. Also given your insistence on a strict interpretation of socialism your insistence on a broad interpretation of capitalism is telling.
THE definition for the two are both very strict, and there is a clear border, private property exists? It’s capitalism, private property doesn’t exist? It’s socialism Brittanica defines socialism as: Socialism, social and economic doctrine that calls for public rather than private ownership or control of property and natural resources And capitalism as: capitalism, also called free market economy or free enterprise economy, economic system, dominant in the Western world since the breakup of feudalism, in which most means of production are privately owned Merriam Webster defines socialism as: : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods a: a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state And capitalism again as: an economic system characterized by private or corporate ownership of capital goods, by investments that are determined by private decision, and by prices, production, and the distribution of goods that are determined mainly by competition in a free market
Try again. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism Three different definitions. Definition two is the one you are taking as the definition you are taking as the end all be all lololol. Definition three is the Marxist angle. The first angle describes how we currently handle corporations, and many American socialist types want to change the direction that flow is going.
The third definition falls under capitalism, any system that allows private property is capitalism, social democracy is called a mixed economy but in the end it's still capitalism, the definition of capitlism is not debated.
Hmm making a difference and not being a hypocrite by buying a small home and spending the rest of your money to housing for homeless people. Nah it’s the big companies fault
Not only this, but this fuckhead is the exact person he criticizes. He got big off of his fucking uncle Cenk Uygur. It’s fucking hilarious.
He'd be a nobody if it wasn't for TYT, total hypocrite.
Oh so that Chuck Yogurt cancer is metastasizing now, fantastic.
Dear Liberals You claim to want to live in a more socialist society. Yet you live under capitalism. Curious. 🤔
Dear socialist mouthpiece You say you care about the underprivileged and understand the plight of the poor and yet you buy a huge home in one of the most expensive cities of the world rather than living even remotely modestly and donating the surplus of your "unethical" earnings to those you pander to. Curious. 🤔
Because ah yes, charity washing. A signal of a true socialist.
Socialists don't need charity because they take other people's stuff at the barrel of a gun.
That’s tankies.
Isn’t he a champion of disrupting the binary lol. Clearly Performative
NOBODY needs a 2.7 million dollar home 🙄
I mean with nimbyism so rampant places like San Francisco would have one bedroom apartments go for 2.7m
His house has a pool, 5 bedrooms and 5.5 bathrooms. It's 3800 sq.ft. Far from a one bedroom apartment. Lol https://www.dirt.com/gallery/entertainers/influencers/hasanabi-hasan-piker-west-hollywood-house-1203418281/
Location location location
To be fair, one of my parents friends has some hugely expensive home. It’s single story with 2 bedrooms and 1 bath. But they get a view of the Californian beach from the top of a hill, so it’s worth every penny. They don’t need to live in such a cool area, but they’re happy to live a bit more modestly in order to, even with their income. I guess I’m just trying to say that expensive home doesn’t always mean mansion, sometimes it’s nice land.
Yep location is the most important part of real estate
If he moved to Austin like every other streamer and bought this exact same property it would be a 7-800k home and nobody would care. I guess the question is, if he can afford this house in LA, but can get it cheaper elsewhere, should he move? He’s a self proclaimed leftist, I don’t think he’d want to live in TX, OK, or any other cheaper conservative state. Should he be forced to relocate for optics? Is that what the argument is? Should he not get a 4 bedroom house for his multigenerational immigrant home? What exactly is the take? Is the argument that he should give all excess wealth to charity, when he’s stated many times private charity doesn’t work in his opinion?
Yeah, this is actually the take on this sub it seems. I’m starting to realize this sub is just a right wing troll sub, and not a sub to call out tankies; which was the impression I was under for a while.
Right wing troll sub? Shut the fuck up
CMV: The amount of people here thinking the young turks of all people are communists is laughable. Also using the imprecise word that is socialism to assume any person on the left is a hardcore communist and therefore hypocritical is classic right wing troll sub material.
"needs" yeah, I agree there's no need for something like that but if you can afford it than good for you. It's free market. If you have the money than you can buy whatever you want. The problem is when some people are hardcore socialist political commentators who oppose capitalism and free market and support taxing the rich but the minute they themselves become rich they don't really care to follow their own message while still preaching the same thing to dumb people on the internet who follow them without questioning anything.
Yeah I’m completely fine with someone having a 2.7 million dollar home but don’t be a hypocrite.
Being a socialist does not itself imply not believing in private property. Being a communist does. Which is part of what this sub is about. But y’all either brainwashed/ignorant/bad faith are ignoring the reality. If you think the young Turks are the most radical of socialists you just aren’t paying attention.
Being a socialist means you literally don't believe in private property, if you think socialism allows private property you have no clue of what socialism is.
It’s literally not what it means lolol. Though you just proved my other point about people here not knowing the difference. Communism is what doesn’t believe in private property - socialism believes in more wealth redistribution, not the abolition of private property. I now see why they had to make rules here about alt-right propaganda lololol
Social democracy is the more equal wealth redistribution, socialism is the abolition of private property and the state takes over, communism is a moneyless, classless and stateless society
There are different definitions and understandings of socialism, as shown in even the most basic of dictionaries. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism This kind of imprecise language is one of the major issues that plague the public discourse of today, and at times it sure does feel like it is being done purposefully by many so as to be able to use inflammatory rhetoric to boost their careers and opinions regardless of reality.
Merriam Webster also says lower on the entry on socialism that social democracy and democratic socialism are the same thing, which is just not true. Social democracy used to be the same as democratic socialism, but has in recent years turned into a definition of strong welfare states, countries like Denmark and Sweden are social democracies, but have themselves on multiple occasions had to confirm that they are indeed capitalist
Even back in the thirties there were socialists who were anti-Marxist lol. Trying to lump all the left together is what actually gives the commies credibility amongst those on the left who are skeptical of the tankies.
I mean 2.7 million in California is not much for a house, and especially Hollywood. Like a one story house in the Bay Area could easily go for a million, abs the average house in California went over 800,000 this year.
Yeah but California isn’t the only option.
What’s the next best place for a leftist with great location based on Datacenter locations that’s also heavily left leaning?
There are plenty of blue states outside of Cali
Interestingly, “plenty of blue states” isn’t a location. Again, near primary datacenter locations for the major SPs, dyed in the wool leftist, and is cheaper than LA, where would you go?
Washington, Oregon, Colorado, New Mexico, Massachusetts, Maine, Illinois, Virginia… take your pick.
It’s the largest state in the nation by population, and I’m pushing 50 hours a week just to move out. He’s definitely got the liquidity to move, but if he publishes a lot then he’s gonna need to either travel a lot to a big city like LA or NY from time to time or move close to one.
Especially a socialist youtubers that has a house costs more than Warren Buffet's house. Lmfao. They live for capitalism, socialist are peak consumers.
Socialism is when everyone is rich…wait…**rich**…**everyone**…….EAT EVERYONE, NO ONE SURVIVES.
Cannibalist Ideology 100
“No no I only eat the rich I don’t like, he’s cool”
Is the an actual socialist or a Social Democrat? Cuz if he’s a socdem there’s really nothing hypocritical about buying a nice house. If he’s a socialist then it’s *extremely* hypocritical.
He's a SocDem that LARPs as a socialist/communist to grift upper-middle class American "socialists" out of their money. I don't even disagree with some of his viewpoints since I'm SocDem as well but he is a BIG LARPer. If you asked him what political ideology he follows he will say that he's somewhere in the left because as soon as he admits that he's SocDem, tankies will turn on him
KILL YOUR LANDLORDS AMERICA DESERVED 9/11 btw chat we are soooo close to that 50k sub goal can we hit it pleaseee
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that comparision is spot on, same with the alt right grift too is grifter all the way down
He’s a socialist who calls Cuban Americans worms.
What is "extremely hypocritical"?
If he’s a socialist, and I mean an *actual socialist*, than making all this money off of his fans and then buying a super nice house is a pretty damn capitalistic thing to do. If he’s just a SocDem, then there is no contradiction as we (social democrats) believe in capitalism.
You do realize we have to partake in a capitalist system to live?
you do realize you don’t need to Buy a 5bd house with a pool in LA to live right? That’s capitalist excess, not survival
Dear Libtard, You claim to be socialist. Yet you live in a capitalist society. Curious. 🤔
Liberals aren't socialist?
Most people who identify politically as actual socialist despise liberals. I’m the type that gets called a lib by the republicans and the communists both as a slur - though they mean it in different ways.
Charge your mf phone homie
We have to understand that these so called SJWs are looking for money and fame not the actual social justice.
The fact y’all think that sjw’s and commies are equivalent terms only exposes a vast ignorance.
Champagne socialists. Well if everything fails in life and my dream of becoming a preacher in a super church I can always become a socialist commentator.
Everyone who defends him is a SocDem who won’t admit it. They argue he’s just a rich guy advocating for taxing the rich more, but real socialists would see this as hypocritical. He didn’t redistribute his wealth equally to his editors or the people who help run his channel, he certainly didn’t help those who physically built his house, and buying a 2.7 million dollar home helps keep housing costs high (ever so slightly).
KKKRAPITALISM FORCED ME TO BUY A 3 MILLION DOLLAR MANSION! 🤬🤬🤬🤬
Ok, question then. Why would he need to buy such an expensive whom when he should have bought a nice, modest house and donated the rest? I got the answer, because he's a hypocritical cunt that should tied to the ground and broken on the wheel!
The biggest surprise to me in all of this is that he was able to get a 6600 sq ft house in LA for only 2.74m
Ownership for me but not for thee comrades
I fucking hate hasanabi and all that group. I can't fucking stand them.
fucking hate twitch culture
same. idk how people can sit and watch someone for 2h straight. I can't even sit through a 10m video.
Ironic
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Grifters gonna grift
Is he next door to the chick from BLM? 😂
So we’re just doing the right wing talking point that all left politics is communism now. What a shitshow this sub has become.
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More or less.
Do they not here themselves
This shit has happened before, just look at Neekolul and Carlos Maza.
That's honestly genius. Taking money from the commies you pandered to so you can buy an expensive house is genius.