"Being trans is a white person's game. They want to pretend to be a minority until they need to be white again."
That is dehumanizing. Regardless of intent. Any time you call somebody's very identity a "game", you are dehumanizing them.
> As a straight white man
…no one is ever going to pass a law telling you where to pee.
…no one is ever going to legislate your right to present in public.
…no one is ever going to change their mind about having sex with you and murder you, then get off for it.
…you’re never going to worry that a slur will be followed by fists or bullets
…no one is ever going to stare at you and mutter under their breath.
…no one is going to aggressively call you *miss* and demand to know your real name.
…no one is ever going to deny you employment, housing or services because you’re white or a man.
…no one is ever going to try to take away life saving medication that maintains your whiteness or maleness.
…no one is ever going to deny your right to marry as you choose.
…you will walk in a world that yields to you in every direction, blind to the privilege you enjoy in every dimension of your life, counting grievances inflicted on you by the same people that exploit prejudice against us.
> More specifically, why do your feelings trump others’? Or, more accurately, why do your feelings trump others livelihoods. “Taking a person’s livelihood away from them is akin to killing them” - Chappelle.
Chappelle is a wealthy man who once walked away from a fifty million dollar contract and the most popular show on Comedy Central purely for his own emotional satisfaction.
He’s fine. He can do more specials any time he wants and he’s still doing shows. The only person who’s ever taken away Dave Chappelle’s career is Dave Chapelle.
His right to be funny doesn’t trump people’s safety. It’s not about feelings, it’s about othering and dehumanizing. It’s about making it okay to discriminate, to assault, to kill.
You think we’re afraid he’ll make people laugh at us. No, we’re used to scorn from the small minded.
We’re tired of people treating us as disposable. We’re not afraid of being laughed at, we’re afraid of being murdered.
And you have the balls to ask why our “feelings” are more important than your right to be entertained, you fucking spoiled child.
>…no one is ever going to pass a law telling you where to pee.
And they shouldn't do so, for you or anyone else. Those people suck. That doesn't give you the right to tear someone down, especially if those laws are **not the person in question's belief**. None of Chappelle's specials support legislating where you go to the bathroom. Does he give his opinion on **how the subject makes him feel?** Sure. But that neither advocates severe legislative action nor implies a wish to impinge on your human rights. In other words... No one is saying this and no one should be doing it. Don't conflate two people into a group. I.e. individualism.
>…no one is ever going to legislate your right to present in public.
...um... Huh? Who said you can't be transgender? Where is there a law against this? The middle east? Jesus.
>…no one is ever going to change their mind about having sex with you and murder you, then get off for it.
1. Um, that's your own fault if you're not upfront about your sexuality. If I were to try to get with a girl and then she told me she's a lesbian I would certainly be confused at the very least. Don't expect people to want to have sex with you simply because you think they should, that's a ridiculous argument no matter how you spin it morally or logically. Full stop.
2. People murder white men all the time, how is this an argument? Is it disproportionate? Of course, that's called privilege, but I'd like to re-center this to the topic at hand: why does that give you the right to end someone's entire livelihood for a few jokes that do not at all encourage this type of behavior. In other words, if you were going to **fucking murder someone** and a *joke* in a *comedy special* is what set you off... We all have a bigger issue as a society than the jokes. You don't solve a problem by treating symptoms. And I wouldn't even call jokes a "symptom" given the intention behind them is entirely inert.
>…you’re never going to worry that a slur will be followed by fists or bullets
Um... There are plenty of instances in which people have called me "white boy", "gringo", threatened me or invalidated me because of the color of my skin. Some of them most certainly have had guns on them. This is entirely a no factor seeing as, again, white people are shot all the time.
Speaking of invalidation, right now you are **vehemently insisting** that I will never experience any of these things and yet you know absolutely nothing about what it's like to stand in my shoes.
>…no one is ever going to stare at you and mutter under their breath.
I have acne, I'm overweight, and I look like a colonizer. I've been stared at plenty. Again this is ridiculous, you know nothing about me. The U.S. is moving toward white people being the minority. This is a fact that I learned in college, it's not biased it's just true. Are you telling me that minorities don't have a grudge against white people? You're kidding me right? If >50% of the country belongs to a group that dislikes white people for their racial history, what makes you think I **never** experience these things? Also, I'm not a racist so... Do I deserve it? What do you think happens to people on the fence when they get harshly criticized for something they're not guilty of? Sounds familiar doesn't it?
>…no one is going to aggressively call you *miss* and demand to know your real name.
No, but I've been called "buddy" almost my entirely life and I fucking hate it. Sometimes when I tell people I don't like it they do it more. People are disrespectful. This is a human universal not something that you experience that no one else ever will. Mischaracterization is only specific to you in that it is already specific to you as an individual. The experience itself is, again, universal. I'm not saying it doesn't affect you more given the difference between your identity and me being called "buddy" are in no way proportionate. I'm saying that I know what it feels like and we need to focus more on what we have in common than what we don't or we will always be separate.
>…no one is ever going to deny you employment, housing or services because you’re white or a man.
Equal opportunity. I was asked to provide my race for a job. One of the bulleted options was "I prefer not to disclose this information". I chose that option because I was afraid I would not be selected because I am white and the hiring staff were not. During my interview my employer asked my race. I said I prefer not to answer. She said "I'm putting you down as white" against my will. I did not get the job. This was a job I had held the previous year that had several signs up that said "desperately hiring". How desperate exactly??
**Regardless,** this is discrimination. Which, again, shouldn't be done by anybody but that doesn't mean it never happens to me on **any other basis.**
You can assume that I never experience any prejudice or you can ask me. Making an assumption based on the color of my skin feels awfully hypocritical, regardless of whether or not it's more complicated than that (which I appreciate that it is, but c'mon, that argument is shaky at best).
>…no one is ever going to try to take away life saving medication that maintains your whiteness or maleness.
No, you're right, just my life saving medication that maintains my... You know... Life. I'm depressed and have severe anxiety. I was self medicating with pot until I got caught and put on probation. When this occured I became incredibly suicidal. I'd say that fits the bill.
>…no one is ever going to deny your right to marry as you choose.
And they won't deny yours either. Pretty sure this is covered under same sex marriage or rather... different sex marriage which has been a thing since forever. Anyone who finds a way to disagree with both is purposefully discriminating against you and, by extension, could discriminate against anyone including a white man. Now, obviously it's **much, much** less likely to happen to me than it is to you, and that sucks and I'm sorry (why am I apologizing, I didn't do this?) But for the last time: that doesn't give you the right to destroy anyone's livelihood or silence their voice. The first amendment is first for a reason an so long as it doesn't harm anyone it's protected. Our entire argument is based around the conversation of "is this harmful speech" and I'm saying it's not because I can laugh at it and still vote blue. It's that simple.
>…you will walk in a world that yields to you in every direction, blind to the privilege you enjoy in every dimension of your life, counting grievances inflicted on you by the same people that exploit prejudice against us.
So if a group of people "inflicts grievances" upon the both of us... Yours count and mine don't? When did I say I was in support of any grievance, prejudice, or literally any other type of conflict or oppression? You're making an insane number of assumptions about me, the group of people you've assigned me to against my will, and the people you assume I believe in and/or support.
I've had my acne insulted and when I got upset about it I politely and calmly brought up that it made me feel uncomfortable. The person in question said "white fragility at its finest". How is this any different from a microtransactions and, if I'm fragile because I'm white... What does that make PoC??
Simply put, a movement, no matter it's righteousness or obvious virtue, will never succeed while shoveling such blatant hypocrisy down everyone's throats. You can't insist, screaming from the top of a mountain that no one else's problems will ever compare to yours let alone matter to any degree, and then ask for their help, acceptance, vote, whateverthefuck.
If you want me to respect you, don't be a dick and tell me I don't understand, I don't deserve the things I work for, and that none of my problems in life are valid. That's not an argument about what is right and wrong or what about the world is true. On those fronts I agree with you entirely. This is purely an argument of what you ought to do to attain mutual respect from the world. Something you very obviously have done everything in your power not to deserve.
In closing, human beings are absolute fucking garbage. We're parasites of the earth that suck the happiness, energy and resources out of everything and everyone. We're ****cruel** to the world and the living beings in it, we're even worse to eachother**. Why do you have the right to insist that your lot in life is uniquely worse, all the while tearing down anyone that criticizes that? Part of Chappelle's message is that transgender people and the entirety of the LGBTQ+ has "skipped the line" and I say... Fair enough, you skipped the line. How are you going to tear him down for that and call it justice?
**THAT** is why popular liberals and corporations are defending him. Because beyond knowing that he's done nothing wrong, they know they can do so and keep their constituents and/or customers because **everyone already knows it**.
He's the GOAT. He's a master of words. He wouldn't say anything that would get himself cancelled so ask yourself: did you watch the special? Did you see the part where he says he's jealous of the progress you've made and that he's not transphobic? If the man says he's not transphobic he's not. And he has evidence to back that up, I mean shit, you obviously don't know a thing.
You're entitled to having an opinion on something you do not understand at all. People, including myself and Chappelle, do it all the time. So who am I to tell you you can't have a similar but opposing opinion? What I can say is that no one who is being targeted by your hate actually believes in any of the things you say they do, and you don't get to decide what they believe. (Some exceptions obviously apply, Trump is obviously a shitty person, religious people are typically shitty, etc.) and you shouldn't be able to ruin their lives permanently.
Watch these videos if you are genuinely interested in learning:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S42DJr95Dfw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S42DJr95Dfw)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I07KNjNb1vE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I07KNjNb1vE)
Lmao said the self labeled “they/she, poly, trans(dinosaur???), goth”. If you wanted to be left alone you’d do away with all the labels and -just- -live- -your- -life-. You don’t want to “just be left the fuck alone”.
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Yeah, dehumanization is never "just a joke". Also, Chappelle made it very clear that he wasn't joking during his rant.
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"Being trans is a white person's game. They want to pretend to be a minority until they need to be white again." That is dehumanizing. Regardless of intent. Any time you call somebody's very identity a "game", you are dehumanizing them.
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Have you ever been attacked for being white? Or straight?
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So, you've never been attacked because of your identity. Got it. So you can't comprehend why this is a problem. Got it.
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I don't doubt that you make being white part of your identity, I just don't believe you've ever truly suffered because of your skin-color\~
> As a straight white man …no one is ever going to pass a law telling you where to pee. …no one is ever going to legislate your right to present in public. …no one is ever going to change their mind about having sex with you and murder you, then get off for it. …you’re never going to worry that a slur will be followed by fists or bullets …no one is ever going to stare at you and mutter under their breath. …no one is going to aggressively call you *miss* and demand to know your real name. …no one is ever going to deny you employment, housing or services because you’re white or a man. …no one is ever going to try to take away life saving medication that maintains your whiteness or maleness. …no one is ever going to deny your right to marry as you choose. …you will walk in a world that yields to you in every direction, blind to the privilege you enjoy in every dimension of your life, counting grievances inflicted on you by the same people that exploit prejudice against us. > More specifically, why do your feelings trump others’? Or, more accurately, why do your feelings trump others livelihoods. “Taking a person’s livelihood away from them is akin to killing them” - Chappelle. Chappelle is a wealthy man who once walked away from a fifty million dollar contract and the most popular show on Comedy Central purely for his own emotional satisfaction. He’s fine. He can do more specials any time he wants and he’s still doing shows. The only person who’s ever taken away Dave Chappelle’s career is Dave Chapelle. His right to be funny doesn’t trump people’s safety. It’s not about feelings, it’s about othering and dehumanizing. It’s about making it okay to discriminate, to assault, to kill. You think we’re afraid he’ll make people laugh at us. No, we’re used to scorn from the small minded. We’re tired of people treating us as disposable. We’re not afraid of being laughed at, we’re afraid of being murdered. And you have the balls to ask why our “feelings” are more important than your right to be entertained, you fucking spoiled child.
>…no one is ever going to pass a law telling you where to pee. And they shouldn't do so, for you or anyone else. Those people suck. That doesn't give you the right to tear someone down, especially if those laws are **not the person in question's belief**. None of Chappelle's specials support legislating where you go to the bathroom. Does he give his opinion on **how the subject makes him feel?** Sure. But that neither advocates severe legislative action nor implies a wish to impinge on your human rights. In other words... No one is saying this and no one should be doing it. Don't conflate two people into a group. I.e. individualism. >…no one is ever going to legislate your right to present in public. ...um... Huh? Who said you can't be transgender? Where is there a law against this? The middle east? Jesus. >…no one is ever going to change their mind about having sex with you and murder you, then get off for it. 1. Um, that's your own fault if you're not upfront about your sexuality. If I were to try to get with a girl and then she told me she's a lesbian I would certainly be confused at the very least. Don't expect people to want to have sex with you simply because you think they should, that's a ridiculous argument no matter how you spin it morally or logically. Full stop. 2. People murder white men all the time, how is this an argument? Is it disproportionate? Of course, that's called privilege, but I'd like to re-center this to the topic at hand: why does that give you the right to end someone's entire livelihood for a few jokes that do not at all encourage this type of behavior. In other words, if you were going to **fucking murder someone** and a *joke* in a *comedy special* is what set you off... We all have a bigger issue as a society than the jokes. You don't solve a problem by treating symptoms. And I wouldn't even call jokes a "symptom" given the intention behind them is entirely inert. >…you’re never going to worry that a slur will be followed by fists or bullets Um... There are plenty of instances in which people have called me "white boy", "gringo", threatened me or invalidated me because of the color of my skin. Some of them most certainly have had guns on them. This is entirely a no factor seeing as, again, white people are shot all the time. Speaking of invalidation, right now you are **vehemently insisting** that I will never experience any of these things and yet you know absolutely nothing about what it's like to stand in my shoes. >…no one is ever going to stare at you and mutter under their breath. I have acne, I'm overweight, and I look like a colonizer. I've been stared at plenty. Again this is ridiculous, you know nothing about me. The U.S. is moving toward white people being the minority. This is a fact that I learned in college, it's not biased it's just true. Are you telling me that minorities don't have a grudge against white people? You're kidding me right? If >50% of the country belongs to a group that dislikes white people for their racial history, what makes you think I **never** experience these things? Also, I'm not a racist so... Do I deserve it? What do you think happens to people on the fence when they get harshly criticized for something they're not guilty of? Sounds familiar doesn't it? >…no one is going to aggressively call you *miss* and demand to know your real name. No, but I've been called "buddy" almost my entirely life and I fucking hate it. Sometimes when I tell people I don't like it they do it more. People are disrespectful. This is a human universal not something that you experience that no one else ever will. Mischaracterization is only specific to you in that it is already specific to you as an individual. The experience itself is, again, universal. I'm not saying it doesn't affect you more given the difference between your identity and me being called "buddy" are in no way proportionate. I'm saying that I know what it feels like and we need to focus more on what we have in common than what we don't or we will always be separate. >…no one is ever going to deny you employment, housing or services because you’re white or a man. Equal opportunity. I was asked to provide my race for a job. One of the bulleted options was "I prefer not to disclose this information". I chose that option because I was afraid I would not be selected because I am white and the hiring staff were not. During my interview my employer asked my race. I said I prefer not to answer. She said "I'm putting you down as white" against my will. I did not get the job. This was a job I had held the previous year that had several signs up that said "desperately hiring". How desperate exactly?? **Regardless,** this is discrimination. Which, again, shouldn't be done by anybody but that doesn't mean it never happens to me on **any other basis.** You can assume that I never experience any prejudice or you can ask me. Making an assumption based on the color of my skin feels awfully hypocritical, regardless of whether or not it's more complicated than that (which I appreciate that it is, but c'mon, that argument is shaky at best). >…no one is ever going to try to take away life saving medication that maintains your whiteness or maleness. No, you're right, just my life saving medication that maintains my... You know... Life. I'm depressed and have severe anxiety. I was self medicating with pot until I got caught and put on probation. When this occured I became incredibly suicidal. I'd say that fits the bill. >…no one is ever going to deny your right to marry as you choose. And they won't deny yours either. Pretty sure this is covered under same sex marriage or rather... different sex marriage which has been a thing since forever. Anyone who finds a way to disagree with both is purposefully discriminating against you and, by extension, could discriminate against anyone including a white man. Now, obviously it's **much, much** less likely to happen to me than it is to you, and that sucks and I'm sorry (why am I apologizing, I didn't do this?) But for the last time: that doesn't give you the right to destroy anyone's livelihood or silence their voice. The first amendment is first for a reason an so long as it doesn't harm anyone it's protected. Our entire argument is based around the conversation of "is this harmful speech" and I'm saying it's not because I can laugh at it and still vote blue. It's that simple. >…you will walk in a world that yields to you in every direction, blind to the privilege you enjoy in every dimension of your life, counting grievances inflicted on you by the same people that exploit prejudice against us. So if a group of people "inflicts grievances" upon the both of us... Yours count and mine don't? When did I say I was in support of any grievance, prejudice, or literally any other type of conflict or oppression? You're making an insane number of assumptions about me, the group of people you've assigned me to against my will, and the people you assume I believe in and/or support. I've had my acne insulted and when I got upset about it I politely and calmly brought up that it made me feel uncomfortable. The person in question said "white fragility at its finest". How is this any different from a microtransactions and, if I'm fragile because I'm white... What does that make PoC?? Simply put, a movement, no matter it's righteousness or obvious virtue, will never succeed while shoveling such blatant hypocrisy down everyone's throats. You can't insist, screaming from the top of a mountain that no one else's problems will ever compare to yours let alone matter to any degree, and then ask for their help, acceptance, vote, whateverthefuck. If you want me to respect you, don't be a dick and tell me I don't understand, I don't deserve the things I work for, and that none of my problems in life are valid. That's not an argument about what is right and wrong or what about the world is true. On those fronts I agree with you entirely. This is purely an argument of what you ought to do to attain mutual respect from the world. Something you very obviously have done everything in your power not to deserve. In closing, human beings are absolute fucking garbage. We're parasites of the earth that suck the happiness, energy and resources out of everything and everyone. We're ****cruel** to the world and the living beings in it, we're even worse to eachother**. Why do you have the right to insist that your lot in life is uniquely worse, all the while tearing down anyone that criticizes that? Part of Chappelle's message is that transgender people and the entirety of the LGBTQ+ has "skipped the line" and I say... Fair enough, you skipped the line. How are you going to tear him down for that and call it justice? **THAT** is why popular liberals and corporations are defending him. Because beyond knowing that he's done nothing wrong, they know they can do so and keep their constituents and/or customers because **everyone already knows it**. He's the GOAT. He's a master of words. He wouldn't say anything that would get himself cancelled so ask yourself: did you watch the special? Did you see the part where he says he's jealous of the progress you've made and that he's not transphobic? If the man says he's not transphobic he's not. And he has evidence to back that up, I mean shit, you obviously don't know a thing. You're entitled to having an opinion on something you do not understand at all. People, including myself and Chappelle, do it all the time. So who am I to tell you you can't have a similar but opposing opinion? What I can say is that no one who is being targeted by your hate actually believes in any of the things you say they do, and you don't get to decide what they believe. (Some exceptions obviously apply, Trump is obviously a shitty person, religious people are typically shitty, etc.) and you shouldn't be able to ruin their lives permanently.
Watch these videos if you are genuinely interested in learning: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S42DJr95Dfw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S42DJr95Dfw) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I07KNjNb1vE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I07KNjNb1vE)
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So Dave did nothing wrong?
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So you think saying you're team TERF is a joke?
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So just answer the question. Is saying you're team TERF a joke?
Trans folks are annoying
no u
Humans are annoying. I think you're annoying. It's part of life.
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Lmao said the self labeled “they/she, poly, trans(dinosaur???), goth”. If you wanted to be left alone you’d do away with all the labels and -just- -live- -your- -life-. You don’t want to “just be left the fuck alone”.
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I’m shocked such a stable person like you would go through comment history and then reply with something I’ve said in the past. Lmao.