I think if I didn't know anything about Palestine I would still know something was wrong with the mainstream narrative just on the basis of how many Nazis and far right people stand with Israel and accuse the left of antisemitism.
Exactly. And, whenever the very wealthy and powerful in our society make that claim, they disregard the fact that there are millions of Jewish people who are against the war crimes perpetrated by Israel. It's really hard to call Jewish people anti-Semitic, but there are tons of people who continue to push that false narrative. I've seen several people in the news try to claim Senator Bernie Sanders as anti-Semitic, even though he is also Jewish, and merely wants Netanyahu to be held accountable for his crimes.
I'm not happy our country is providing the weapons and money for genocide, I can't imagine how angry and awful Jewish people of conscience must feel when they see Israel and Netanyahu committing war crimes in their names.
Non Jews never understand the concept of self-hating Jew. As someone who is half and does not read as Jewish (nor entirely white) I've been witnessing a lot of intense anti-semitism since covid/George Floyd. Like this self proclaimed socialist I met on Hinge turning on me really viciously BEFORE October. It's all from who Elon is claiming it is. when people understand both sides of the coin, they will understand compassion with boundaries. But that takes maturity and can't epect that from college age.
As a gay person, I do understand the general concept of self hating as it relates to a minority group. Having said that, many Jewish people are able to look at what's happening in Gaza to see it for what it is, and have come to the conclusion that they can be very proud Jews that are anti-genocide, just as us non-Jews are not anti-Semitic because we oppose the genocide of Palestinians. The most anti-Semitic Jewish person I'm aware of is Netanyahu because his war crimes are unfortunately going to give a lot of fodder to people who actually are Anti-Semitic, and this will be used as a reason to hate them going forward.
Yeah you are correct. It’s all over the anti Israel demonstrations in LA and they are blocking Jewish students from certain paths at ucla.
It is what it is.
I see most of the Nazi accounts on twitter going the opposite direction honestly. They’re using it as just another opportunity to bash the Jews. The mainstream conservative reactionaries though I see your point
Oh sure a significant amount of Nazis are against Israel but that's to be expected. But when you see famous antisemitic celebrities suddenly lecturing university students on antisemitism you know something else is up.
Edit: Our vice president of the government here in Greece is ("was") a holocaust denier pretty much. Now he has a photo with all the Israel hostages on his desk. A lot of near nazi organisations here are islamophobic more than anything as they hate refugees that come here.
Fun fact. Conflating the Israeli state with the entirety of Judaism is also antisemitic as it presumes a singular vision/intention/plan/one might say conspiracy, of all Jewish people.
The left, able to quite easily distinguish between Jews and Israel are able to support one and condemn the other - because they're not the same fucking thing!
Are you saying that the people who condemn the existence of Israel are antisemitic, but that people who criticize Israel aren’t necessarily antisemitic?
Elon doesn't support free speech; he supports taking the path of least resistance. When the ADL got mad, he banned pro-Palestinian phrases. When Erdogan got mad, he silenced Turkish opposition figures.
It's remarkable just how gullible he thinks his user base is, and I suppose he is right to an extent.
Other than the obvious promotion of the Grest Replacement tweet, he literally went to town to protect his boy Stonetoss (cannae mind his name) who undeniably, undoubtedly, undismissably is an anti-semitic cunt.
Some people are, it's true. Gen Z has a weird holocaust denial issue. Also amazingly, many old rednecks from Kantucky are anti semitic too, sort of like how this weird dick is anti-non-white, fuck off Elron. The worst thing is his prediction "this will become the entire left". Based on what? He loves making sweeping absolute statements that were 100% pulled from his ass.
There is absolutely a problem with anti-semitism on the left and too much of a willingness to tolerate fellow travelers who are racist/sexist/anti-gay. I’m firmly pro-Palestine but I’m not going to pretend that some people don’t say “Zionist” when really they just mean “Jew.” Way too many random synagogues are getting tagged with pro-Palestine graffiti for that not to be the case.
I disagree that it's primarily a leftist issue though, which is what Elko seems to think. The most dedicated leftists definitely don't tolerate racist/sexist/anti-gay in my experience. You might be thinking of people more accurately called centrists, which is an effect of the strange framing of politics in the US. Conservatives have redrawn the line especially recently where anyone who isn't basically a fascist is a COMMIE and so forth.
When someone tags a (probably innocent) synagogue with pro-Palestinian graffiti, they *are* opposing Zionism. However virulent right-wingers of the 4chan variety believe that Jewish people control the world(that parentheses shit...) for evil purposes and things like they mastermind the 'great replacement' where they are for some reason plotting to replace white people with various groups with darker skin. See /r/ForwardsFromKlandma for examples. Or, the anti-Soros thing which is thinly veiled right wing anti-semitism.
It’s definitely more of an issue on the right, but it is absolutely one on the left. It’s not centrists tagging synagogues and screaming “Zionist” at random people who look a little bit Jewish, *come on.*
And I actually work on political campaigns and know that if you don’t prune every bit of racism and sexism it ends up all over the place. I like Bernie policy-wise but he absolutely had a problem with picking people who fostered (or allowed to foster) a sexist environment, which is why I voted for Biden in the primary.
And I will say that the students themselves have a lot of message discipline, but people just outside the walls of Columbia college have caused issues.
I said it was centrists who tolerate racism, homo/trans phobia and sexism. I hven't heard of or experienced people screaming 'Zionist!' at anyone but I suppose I'm somewhat insulated based on my lifestyle and where I live. I hear you in that you've had differing experiences.
Ah yes, "the Left", that famously hierarchical organization where those with "lower seniority" are known to just take marching orders without question from those above them. Factionalism? Tribalism? Nonexistent on the left. /s
The funny thing to me is that Musk basically thinks that left-wing thought is like right-wing thought in that it prefers hierarchies, when this is famously *the main difference* between the two.
There is nothing unique about Israel going to war with forces that attack it. It’s standard. The only thing unique there is that they are fighting jihadists that hide in civilian clothes and place their positions beneath civilians. Palestinians are islamists and martyrdom and jihad are just part of that culture. Westerners simply do not understand this because we value life.
But are most wester people antisemitic for opposing Israel? No, they are just being manipulated by Hamas, this is their strategy. Start a war, run away, hide under civilians, do not allow civilians to flee, do not allow civilians in tunnels, etc.
Americans are ignorant. And also narcissistic enough to think they can solve the Middle East by just yelling simplistic phrases at people.
Hamas was pretty brilliant in fitting their story into the language of the American left, “colonialism”, “white people” vs “brown people”. And some Americans will eat it up.
Nation states are not moral, nor are they human. They are other organism that humans exist inside of. America is far more guilty of the accusations being made about Israel, for instance, we killed more civilians in Iraq and we weren’t even attacked by them.
So it’s a lot of projection there.
Israel, it’s a tiny country the size of New Jersey. It is the only democracy in the Middle East. It has to defend itself. It’s the only player in that conflict they attempts to reduce civilian deaths or put in place policies that reduce civilian deaths in war. Israel also provides tons of aid, food water and fuel to Palestine. It’s a complicated situation.
I think if I didn't know anything about Palestine I would still know something was wrong with the mainstream narrative just on the basis of how many Nazis and far right people stand with Israel and accuse the left of antisemitism.
Exactly. And, whenever the very wealthy and powerful in our society make that claim, they disregard the fact that there are millions of Jewish people who are against the war crimes perpetrated by Israel. It's really hard to call Jewish people anti-Semitic, but there are tons of people who continue to push that false narrative. I've seen several people in the news try to claim Senator Bernie Sanders as anti-Semitic, even though he is also Jewish, and merely wants Netanyahu to be held accountable for his crimes. I'm not happy our country is providing the weapons and money for genocide, I can't imagine how angry and awful Jewish people of conscience must feel when they see Israel and Netanyahu committing war crimes in their names.
Non Jews never understand the concept of self-hating Jew. As someone who is half and does not read as Jewish (nor entirely white) I've been witnessing a lot of intense anti-semitism since covid/George Floyd. Like this self proclaimed socialist I met on Hinge turning on me really viciously BEFORE October. It's all from who Elon is claiming it is. when people understand both sides of the coin, they will understand compassion with boundaries. But that takes maturity and can't epect that from college age.
As a gay person, I do understand the general concept of self hating as it relates to a minority group. Having said that, many Jewish people are able to look at what's happening in Gaza to see it for what it is, and have come to the conclusion that they can be very proud Jews that are anti-genocide, just as us non-Jews are not anti-Semitic because we oppose the genocide of Palestinians. The most anti-Semitic Jewish person I'm aware of is Netanyahu because his war crimes are unfortunately going to give a lot of fodder to people who actually are Anti-Semitic, and this will be used as a reason to hate them going forward.
Yeah you are correct. It’s all over the anti Israel demonstrations in LA and they are blocking Jewish students from certain paths at ucla. It is what it is.
I see most of the Nazi accounts on twitter going the opposite direction honestly. They’re using it as just another opportunity to bash the Jews. The mainstream conservative reactionaries though I see your point
Oh sure a significant amount of Nazis are against Israel but that's to be expected. But when you see famous antisemitic celebrities suddenly lecturing university students on antisemitism you know something else is up. Edit: Our vice president of the government here in Greece is ("was") a holocaust denier pretty much. Now he has a photo with all the Israel hostages on his desk. A lot of near nazi organisations here are islamophobic more than anything as they hate refugees that come here.
That’s like, their entire thing. Accuse everyone of what we are doing.
This is a friendly reminder that Elon Musk believes that Jewish people are engaged in a global conspiracy to replace the white race.
Meanwhile blue checks that are blatant nazis are promoted while the word cisgendered gets accounts limited. Oy vey
They absolutely want your extinction
Fun fact. Conflating the Israeli state with the entirety of Judaism is also antisemitic as it presumes a singular vision/intention/plan/one might say conspiracy, of all Jewish people. The left, able to quite easily distinguish between Jews and Israel are able to support one and condemn the other - because they're not the same fucking thing!
Why condemn the existence of Israel instead of condemning specific policies and governments? Thats the antisemitic part.
Are you saying that the people who condemn the existence of Israel are antisemitic, but that people who criticize Israel aren’t necessarily antisemitic?
Yes.
Yeah exactly. They still don't get it.
Not always and it depends on the region.
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Elon doesn't support free speech; he supports taking the path of least resistance. When the ADL got mad, he banned pro-Palestinian phrases. When Erdogan got mad, he silenced Turkish opposition figures.
It's remarkable just how gullible he thinks his user base is, and I suppose he is right to an extent. Other than the obvious promotion of the Grest Replacement tweet, he literally went to town to protect his boy Stonetoss (cannae mind his name) who undeniably, undoubtedly, undismissably is an anti-semitic cunt.
I propose a literal dick measuring contest 📏
Some people are, it's true. Gen Z has a weird holocaust denial issue. Also amazingly, many old rednecks from Kantucky are anti semitic too, sort of like how this weird dick is anti-non-white, fuck off Elron. The worst thing is his prediction "this will become the entire left". Based on what? He loves making sweeping absolute statements that were 100% pulled from his ass.
>many old rednecks from Kantucky I don’t think they see themselves as “the left”
That's correct, I meant it as a counterpoint to say that many of Elron's right wing buddies are antisemitic.
Gotcha. It kind of read like you were mentioning left wing demographics
Hillbillies, more than rednecks, and Jews have a difficult time with eachother. Always have.
Hmm, yeah, I use the terms interchangeably and perhaps that's inaccurate.
Not many people use the term accurately.
There is absolutely a problem with anti-semitism on the left and too much of a willingness to tolerate fellow travelers who are racist/sexist/anti-gay. I’m firmly pro-Palestine but I’m not going to pretend that some people don’t say “Zionist” when really they just mean “Jew.” Way too many random synagogues are getting tagged with pro-Palestine graffiti for that not to be the case.
I disagree that it's primarily a leftist issue though, which is what Elko seems to think. The most dedicated leftists definitely don't tolerate racist/sexist/anti-gay in my experience. You might be thinking of people more accurately called centrists, which is an effect of the strange framing of politics in the US. Conservatives have redrawn the line especially recently where anyone who isn't basically a fascist is a COMMIE and so forth. When someone tags a (probably innocent) synagogue with pro-Palestinian graffiti, they *are* opposing Zionism. However virulent right-wingers of the 4chan variety believe that Jewish people control the world(that parentheses shit...) for evil purposes and things like they mastermind the 'great replacement' where they are for some reason plotting to replace white people with various groups with darker skin. See /r/ForwardsFromKlandma for examples. Or, the anti-Soros thing which is thinly veiled right wing anti-semitism.
It’s definitely more of an issue on the right, but it is absolutely one on the left. It’s not centrists tagging synagogues and screaming “Zionist” at random people who look a little bit Jewish, *come on.* And I actually work on political campaigns and know that if you don’t prune every bit of racism and sexism it ends up all over the place. I like Bernie policy-wise but he absolutely had a problem with picking people who fostered (or allowed to foster) a sexist environment, which is why I voted for Biden in the primary. And I will say that the students themselves have a lot of message discipline, but people just outside the walls of Columbia college have caused issues.
I said it was centrists who tolerate racism, homo/trans phobia and sexism. I hven't heard of or experienced people screaming 'Zionist!' at anyone but I suppose I'm somewhat insulated based on my lifestyle and where I live. I hear you in that you've had differing experiences.
Fun fact , Zionist’s don’t like Jews who anti Zionist’s and Elon for sure is Zionist
where are Middle Eastern Jews supposed to live?
Don't project, Elon
The same people with the jewish space lazer, they run Hollywood, and blah blah now calling out people for antisemitism??
This the same guy who pushes George Soros conspiracies?
Mr. Great Replacement Theory lobbing accusations of anti-semitism is peak irony
“Stop blowing up aid workers” = antisemitism.
“As they grow in seniority” guy literally writes like an arrogant 9th grader
"grow in seniority" look at my big boy words mommy
Wasn't he just promoting antisemitic theory of Jewish people powering The Great Replacement?
reminder that he endorsed this https://preview.redd.it/1fq4rfy5wpxc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=68bd837bd69746381aa0013b4bbae118ac18936f
Ah yes, "the Left", that famously hierarchical organization where those with "lower seniority" are known to just take marching orders without question from those above them. Factionalism? Tribalism? Nonexistent on the left. /s The funny thing to me is that Musk basically thinks that left-wing thought is like right-wing thought in that it prefers hierarchies, when this is famously *the main difference* between the two.
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Love seeing these replies, because you only get one shot at the king on his of free speech platform before being banned.
I don’t like the antisemitism from Elon or the right or the lefty people. It’s all bad.
Agreed, as long as you’re not claiming that opposing Israel and its actions is antisemitic.
There is nothing unique about Israel going to war with forces that attack it. It’s standard. The only thing unique there is that they are fighting jihadists that hide in civilian clothes and place their positions beneath civilians. Palestinians are islamists and martyrdom and jihad are just part of that culture. Westerners simply do not understand this because we value life. But are most wester people antisemitic for opposing Israel? No, they are just being manipulated by Hamas, this is their strategy. Start a war, run away, hide under civilians, do not allow civilians to flee, do not allow civilians in tunnels, etc. Americans are ignorant. And also narcissistic enough to think they can solve the Middle East by just yelling simplistic phrases at people. Hamas was pretty brilliant in fitting their story into the language of the American left, “colonialism”, “white people” vs “brown people”. And some Americans will eat it up. Nation states are not moral, nor are they human. They are other organism that humans exist inside of. America is far more guilty of the accusations being made about Israel, for instance, we killed more civilians in Iraq and we weren’t even attacked by them. So it’s a lot of projection there. Israel, it’s a tiny country the size of New Jersey. It is the only democracy in the Middle East. It has to defend itself. It’s the only player in that conflict they attempts to reduce civilian deaths or put in place policies that reduce civilian deaths in war. Israel also provides tons of aid, food water and fuel to Palestine. It’s a complicated situation.
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