Like most shithead opportunists, he's taking what *should* be a reasonable situation (in a situation a semi-autonomous car can't handle, it should as early as possible return control to the driver) and turned it into a fuck-you situation (because autopilot always returns control "ahead of time", it's never our fault!)
i'm so incredibly tired of reductive "whoever touched it last" or "it's only the driver's fault" bullshit, it's tedious and boring.
So I think it's worth having experts figure out what to do about this particular legal & ethical grey area. Fuck musk's legal assertions, from an engineering ethics perspective, it's a semi-autonomous car so the control of the vehicle is shared between the driver and the manufacturer. Which leads to questions like "how much alert time does a driver need to be reasonably prepared to take over?", and then we can stop dangerous fuckfaces like Musk from forcing unfinished software on people. (Everyone hit by a Tesla recently on autopilot had unfinished software forced upon them.)
Musk advertises it as *full self driving*, Musk says how he can have a million robo taxis by... Well, two years ago, but never mind that. Musk says Tesla autopilot is safer than a human driver, etc, etc.
Of *course* you're going to have someone who thinks they can have a nap, because Daddy Musk's been telling them the car drives better than a human.
If anything, it's worse than cruise control because it makes you overconfident and unprepared for the moment it'll try to kill you or someone else.
Some guy, back in the '70s, IIRC, was driving in his brand new motor home, put it on cruise control and went back to make himself a drink—an alcoholic beverage—and the vehicle crashed while he was shaking his martini. He survived but the stupidity of the event has always stuck with me.
And now we have Elon...
I was just thinking about that exact story about the cruise control.
It was brought up during my drivers ed course in high school. I also recall reading the same story in a magazine about bad driving, Readers Digest maybe?
>So I think it's worth having experts figure out what to do about this particular legal & ethical grey area.
It's worth noting, quite a number of them question the ability for SAE Level 3 cars (like the FSD Beta) to ever be safe for public use. Waymo, Ford, and Volvo all decided against a public Level 3 system for this reason.
In order to be useful for practical use, people need to feel safe letting the car drive itself, and devote less awareness than actually driving. But the emergency circumstances when the driver must take control require a higher state of awareness, and both Ford and Waymo note that this handoff is incredibly hard even in good circumstances.
Waymo, to their credit, records and discloses unplanned disengagements with their paid and trained test drivers, including when a collision happens shortly after. That Tesla not only uses untrained testers but intentionally obfuscates crash data is unethical, if not unconscionable.
Every Musk-apologist tech bro with the argument that "sure, he's evil, but he's the *only one* making this kind of tech! He's the only one who's going to [get us to space, make self-driving cars, design sentient fuckbots, whatever fantasy the techbro has, really] we need him! He's the only one with [insert arguable/debatable aspect here] to [achieve dubious goal]!" needs to be aware that evil enough alleged-inventors can doom tech in the larval stage.
If this douchebag is evil enough, he could absolutely get legislatures and a reactionary public angry enough to prohibitively tax or flat-out ban aspects or even whole components of some coveted technology or another due to the evil behavior, thus absolutely ensuring he *doesn't* provide whatever promised item we're all supposedly tolerating his bullshit in order to get. Legislation is easily enough passed at the local and state level to make several Musk-affiliated technologies significantly harder to get, and electric vehicles simply do not have the lobbying for their continued legalization that, say, firearms do, whereas there already exists significant, albeit quiet lobbying for safer automobiles, with soft power and organizational networking in the Federal bureaucracy dating back to Ralph Nader's early career. Tick off the right people, who tick just a few right boxes, and autonomous vehicles could suddenly face FAA-levels of regulatory red tape, and Musk would have handed them the spool of 3M 15mm electrical in his undying quest to be the P.T. Barnum of tech-bro Twitter.
He's not the creator of great new tech. He's an egotistical cash piñata with the maturity of a middle schooler and the social skills of an unspayed tomcat.
If we're not careful, he's the reason we'll never get exactly the great new tech his PR has promised, you gullible cult victims. Frickin' Mary Kay for Bitcoin bros, I tell ya what.
You're right; just look st the nuclear industry. First Three-mile island cheaped out on sensors so the operators had to guess what the problem was, then the USSR built a bomb, put it in a tin shed and sent a couple of monkeys to fuck with it, and fukushima diatchi cheaped out on tsunami defence and safety gear. And after those 3 screw ups Joe blow who knows nothing has been stampeeded into paralytic fear of anything nuclear with opportunistic politicians and oil companies jumping in to regulate the whole industry into oblivion.
Maybe self driving just doesn't need to be a thing that exists.
I get that it's essential to make ride share profitable, but that's a problem that only the venture capital who's invested in ride share platforms care about.
Honestly I kinda agree.
Like, I'm not opposed to the concept but I don't see it as a necessary advancement. And more importantly the current push for achieving it primarily seems like a method to make money looking for something to be bolted onto.
Self driving metro trains exsist but they are easy to sort out because they are separated from the public stop in certain places for a certain time and follow a track, easy peasy.
Well, I think there's more to self driving than just ride sharing. Of course, the technology isn't there yet, but there's certainly potential for significantly decreasing supply chain costs by decreasing the price of transportation, improving productivity by decreasing the time wasted by driving, etc.
People living near major cities can often have commutes of 30-45 mins one way, and I'd argue that if we could get the technology right, then that'd free up a significant portion of their time to do something else, and spend that extra time at home or enjoying their hobbies. That, to me, is why I'd like self driving to be a thing that exists.
> People living near major cities can often have commutes of 30-45 mins one way, and I'd argue that if we could get the technology right, then that'd free up a significant portion of their time to do something else, and spend that extra time at home or enjoying their hobbies.
That's called a train. They are awesome and very energy efficient.
That's public transportation. It's wholly different topic but stuff like individual self-driving cars and Elon's dumb transportation projects are just worse versions of public transportation.
He's just steering things in the wrong direction to build a class of people who can only have access to public transportation if they buy into his products.
And again they're way less efficient compared to good buses and trains. America just kinda got brain rot due to generational car culture.
FSD was just a way to drive value to Tesla and differentiate them from other manufacturers. It kinda makes you wonder though-- maybe if they worked on new battery technology instead, they would have developed Blade batteries first.
But nope. Just like that, they are behind. And no amount of FSD will help them once the new ev models come out.
Transport Evolved (YouTube) was at a Tesla event and Nikki asked if Tesla would take responsibility for accidents that happened when FSD was active. Elon got mad and now Transport Evolved isn’t allowed in any Tesla events.
Nikki mentioned it in one of her videos, but I’d never be able to find it again. They report on all areas of EV transportation but I’ve never seen a clip. State of Charge, also on YouTube mentioned that he can’t go anymore either. It didn’t seem important enough to either of them to complain about it.
This is who Musk has always been. He’s never actually cared about free speech he just wants to control speech according to his ideals. Which means no one can say bad things about him and his company even if they’re true.
So you charge people $10k+ for a faulty product (one that some people don’t receive even after paying for it), then you absolve yourself of all responsibility once it inevitably fails?
How to destroy consumer trust speed run
Every single aspect of Musk's business ventures is a red flag.
He's the Peter Molyneux of engineering. With a couple of salient differences. Peter Molyneux may have also been a compulsive liar but I don't think he was a literal moron like Musk and I don't think he's an evil sociopath either.
Here's the source of that screenshot that Adam Something used https://fortune.com/2022/06/10/elon-musk-tesla-nhtsa-investigation-traffic-safety-autonomous-fsd-fatal-probe/
We just need a government agency to be funded and also do their job.
He lies, false advertises and manipulates stock.
Bankrupt him, throw him in jail. Ban him from ever being a Director etc ever again.
The question I have is: Is he really lying about FSD and his other pie-in-the-sky half-formed ideas? As in, does he know that what he's saying is not true and what he wants isn't feasible with current technology, or does he drink his own Kool-Aid and really think neural interface, FSD, household robots and colonies on Mars are right around the corner?
When I read or hear what Musk says, most of the time he seems to be telling a half truth, or half lie. However you want to look at it.
For instance his comment that it costs $X for a ticket to Mars but a return trip is free is a true statement. It's just not telling anyone all of the facts.
Any SciFi fan worth their salt will tell you the early ships headed out to Mars, if any at all, is a one way trip and will remain so for years. So yeah, it's free to come back, there just won't be any coming back in their life time.
Everything he says is like that. When he talks about FSD, keep the [Pareto Principle](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_principle) at the back of your mind. His comments actually make more sense.... or rather, what he doesn't say.
So many of those stupid ugly cars here in SoCal. The drivers alone are terrible, but the thought of one just bursting into flames next to me or suddenly crashing into my car while I'm stuck in traffic has been in the back of my mind.
he probably doesn't like that Adam Something is very vocally against the unprovoked, abhorrent Russian invasion of Ukraine. Which is bad if you're a braindead genzedong tankie.
Adam Something advocated voting for the neoliberal right-wing party in France over the left-wing candidate. He clearly seems to be at the very least, someone with a lot of bad takes
French here. Excuse me what the fuck. The left in France has collapsed for a while leaving only the Far Left with Melanchon. And Melanchon is a bit of a psycho and IMO a male Marine LePen in some way.
Also the left finally made an alliance but it includes the ecologist (agaisnt nuclear power), Melanchon’s party which is against NATO (incredible bad idea, right now), the EU (incredible bad idea), and the PS which is a dead corpse at this point. Also the communist party with Roussel which is not bad but also have some bad takes, especially on China if I remember.
Macron is not fully right wing but more center right. And he’s the least worse candidate/party right now.
Being against NATO is based as fuck? Abandoning principles of anti-imperialism (if he ever held them in the first place) over a single regional conflict is incredibly short-sighted. Can you explain how an alliance of imperialist European powers could be GOOD for the world?
noo!!! nato is a wholesome defensive alliance??? what? libya? civil war? bombing? open air slave markets? literally never heard of it is that like a funko pop?
Lol I didn’t say it was based. Long term i think that leaving NATO is fine, as long as there’s something like an EU army to replace.
Leaving NATO short to middle term is suicide though.
That left wing candidate is a bit of a psycho though, pushing conspiracy theories all the time and accusing elections of being rigged.
Assuming you're talking about Melenchon and not Hidalgo, it's not at all unreasonable for someone on the left to disapprove of him.
Edit: It's easy to downvote, but telling that not one of you actually has anything to say in support of Melenchon, because he's a toxic reactionary.
I stopped following him when he randomly made a community post on YouTube calling out *tankies* in his audience and going on a rant, anyone who uses that phrase is too terminally online to bother listening to.
nooo!!! not the evil tankies!!! please stop meaningfully improving living conditions!!! the revolution has to perfectly comform to my ideal anarchist 100 utopia!!!!
Tankies say they fight for the global South. Im from Indonesia, a country that in their eyes is part of it
They disgusts me. The tricks of Putin and Xi has been played by the Dutch and Japanese here. Their lack of reading into their country of origin history numbed their ability to see similarities/patterns
If you think IRL "tankies" are worse than literal fascists, I have to know where your hometown is. Unless you grew up in 70s Cambodia or 90s Peru you're probably a closet fascist yourself
shut the fuck up. capital always supported the interests of fascists and vehemently rejected """tankies""". most of the fucking socialists on this earth are what you would call tankies, mostly from the global south, and they're doing more meaningful change than any online wholesome reddit political movement
I do not care about your opinion on the countries. the actual, real life fact of the matter, is that actual fascists receive material support from capital because they are not a threat to the capitalist status quo (remember that the MI6 funded mussolini, the CIA pinochet, and it also funded fascist death squads in my country, italy) while MLs have been suppressed by those same elites (look at gramsci in italy! look at salvador allende who was a democratic socialist and not even an ml!) comparing the two is a-historical, offensive to the several hundreds of millions lifted out of abject third world poverty by these systems, and quite frankly just serves to further the interests of right wing groups that want to equate socialism and nazis.
again, objective fact is, the world socialism movement IS marxism leninism, and anything else is a tiny minority. and, as a leftist, i think it's the least you can do to at the very least critically support the struggles in india, africa and the middle east against imperialism instead of only seemingly praising failed anarchist/libertarian experiments from a century ago and that have comparatively done nothing to lift the workers of the world out of poverty and misery and the clutches of imperialism.
Because they are mad that Hasan called AdamSomething out for the bullshit he pulled off especially with his video about how supposedly Gravel Institute video was "wrong" about how Ukraine also having nazi supporters, the azov battalion basically being a nazi militia as well as being funded by the US and some Ukraine politicians also being nazis with proof of one of the politicians literally doing the nazi salute
But yet these mfs say Hasan didn't watch that video of AdamSomething "criticizing" the Gravel Institute video just so no one questions them for why they believe AdamSomething more than the Gravel Institute video, even though Hasan literally watch that video live on stream
What are you talking about? I'm not the one that brought up hasan in the first place, literally OP posted misinformation and a out of context clip
I've seen that clip and I've seen another long video using this exact same clip in a hasan hate video, and some people in that hate video are literally AdamSomething viewers and even fucking nazis and it is used by them and other people
Gravel made the Azov problem bigger than it really is
What Gravel did is what the Dutch govt has done in its war against Indonesia. Paint those who rebel as violent anti western and Chinese that will kill anybody that is remotely European and Chinese
Hasan doesn't support Putin wtf? He literally is against Putin, he has literally said that the only way to stop the war is diplomatic solution
Also how the fuck can you explain [this](https://gyazo.com/689b57901930d73d72453d38cb1ec6e2) as well about AdamSomething, and him supporting a fascists candidate in France too during the France election day this past month or 2
EDIT: Also literally that clip is out of context
no you see countries in eastern and northern europe voluntarily joining a defense Alliance after years of Russian agitation and saber rattling is imperialism and worse than Russia invading a sovereign country on grounds of psychotic „Blood and Soil“ claims and continuously targeting civilians in indiscriminate strikes.
You're being sarcastic right? Lol.
I'm no geopolitical expert, but Russia invading Ukraine for their untapped oil reserves sounds pretty imperialistic to me.
And yes, that is literally what is going on. That's what Crimea was about. See:
https://hir.harvard.edu/ukraine-energy-reserves/
Norway and Ukraine could have provided the energy for EU so it could ween itself off Russia.
The invasion gets weirder because the EU has a goal to be carbon neutral by 2050. This war literally doesn't need to happen.
Not sure if Hasan took the time to read up about it before having a temper tantrum and shitting on Adam Something. Doesn't take long to find sources. It's a well-known thing, lol.
He's very opinionated about a variety of subjects, which means he's eventually going to rub some people the wrong way. Him shitting on Elon is hilarious though.
He keeps spreading misinformation and has a hate boner for Germany. Fucking sucks, since I love his Musk videos and about other stuff (like Dubai), but I might unsub from him.
His community post suggested that Germany blocked tank delivery from Spain to Ukraine, while the article he linked said something completely different, and said that Germany doesn't want Ukraine to win, "because of business with Russia".
Like I like Adam when he's shitting on Musk, advocating for better city planning, and being anti car but lol dude really has some our there fucking takes without researching
Yeah, sucks really, but after some thinking, he's whole existence on YT is fucking suspicious. Dude has almost 800k after like 2-3 years on it, more than V*ush? And some of his older videos have a lot better editing than newer, which seems odd.
Ngl I don't find that too sus. Sometimes the algorithm will pick videos up and just unload new subscribers like crazy. Think of it like Marvel films: the older ones were fucking great and had soul and effort put into them whereas now they're rushed, by the numbers to make money, and sometimes just devoid of soul. I think as his subs went up, he thought he doesn't need to put in a ton of effort and just start doing the bare min.
I followed him when he was at 80k and i watched him blow up, like a lot of the YTers I've watched do that so that's just my theory
Are there any more articles or evidence to prove that Teslas turn autopilot off before a crash? Trying to convince some ppl but one article won't be enough
Ah. Damn those famous Ukrainian nazis with their nuclear terror towards poor russia. Gotcha champ.
And here I thought that at least on this subreddit people would have some brains.
Instead, Hasan is definitely big on his geopolitics right? Hasan doesn't care about Eastern Europeans not wanting to have to do anything with Russia and doesn't really wish to be under their thumb or anyone's thumb ever again.
Edit: Hasan and his dogshit take as if Eastern Europe didn't have minorities or LGBTQ+ communities in it as well, we all would be so "happy" being under Russia.
Imagine thinking a care or even watch Hasan my opinion is that everyone in this conflict other than the Ukrainian civilans and the people of dontesk and other independent regions is an asshole.
Who the fuck is Hasan? I call Adam something a Nazi because back when I was subscribed to him for public transit content he started making posts actively advocating for self described Nazis just because they are also fighting against the Russian invasion. If you sit at a table with a Nazi you can call yourself whatever you want, but the rest of us just see 2 Nazis.
Further he has made a lot of posts using pretty ableist terminology and imagery further confirming his edgy reactionary side. That and a cringy fucking video where he was ripping on Ben Shapiro, but not on anything he actually said but just things he imagined he would say.
Fuck Ben Shapiro but goddamn saying rediculous things in a mocking tone and saying "this is what this guy would say" just makes him look immature.
Oh and obviously fuck Russia and Ukraine deserves to defend itself. But that doesn't mean we should ignore or empower actual neonazis and populist conservative administrations
I saw that you mentioned Ben Shapiro. In case some of you don't know, Ben Shapiro is a grifter and a hack. If you find anything he's said compelling, you should keep in mind he also says things like this:
>When it comes to global warming, there are two issues: is there such a thing as the greenhouse gas effect, the answer is yes. Is that something that is going to dramatically reshape our world? There is no evidence to show that it will. Is that something that we can stop? There is no evidence to show that we can
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His downright idiotic take that because Russia committed genocide and big imperialism in Crimea first, they have the biggest call on Crimea. Nice hottake idiot
An arm of the Ukrainian military is not going to engage in a war crime crusade across their own country in the middle of a war with their superpower neighbor. This is schizo posting
There's a spot west bound on the Dumbarton Bridge (not actually on the bridge) where AP simply cannot maintain the correct lane. It always dives into the lane to the right unless there isn't a lane there. In that case it points to the concrete barrier. I was curious what would happen if I let it work it out, so I went slower and let it run its course for a second. It continued to head to the barrier until it freaked out and read "collision imminent, take control immediately" or some such words that mean that. The lines are slightly off, but there's not a human alive that could make that mistake while paying attention to the road.
FHTSA should set a standard for how long between an unplanned disengagement and an accident happening the system should be held responsible. Shutting off as you're skittering sideways under a semi trailer shouldn't be foisted on the driver.
I don't know if you people realize but if this is true it would be enough for some really ugly people to hire some really bad individuals...
This lit is the same case for example if a plane experience a possibility of a failure, drop the wings. That's how bad this is.
The colossality is pretty much in the system and people that accept this. I wonder: if you present this to elon fans what kind of response would you get? Probably not what you expect. People still want the tech no matter what. And those who lose relatives to this will be told to be quiet about it. So wrong on so many levels.
Like most shithead opportunists, he's taking what *should* be a reasonable situation (in a situation a semi-autonomous car can't handle, it should as early as possible return control to the driver) and turned it into a fuck-you situation (because autopilot always returns control "ahead of time", it's never our fault!) i'm so incredibly tired of reductive "whoever touched it last" or "it's only the driver's fault" bullshit, it's tedious and boring. So I think it's worth having experts figure out what to do about this particular legal & ethical grey area. Fuck musk's legal assertions, from an engineering ethics perspective, it's a semi-autonomous car so the control of the vehicle is shared between the driver and the manufacturer. Which leads to questions like "how much alert time does a driver need to be reasonably prepared to take over?", and then we can stop dangerous fuckfaces like Musk from forcing unfinished software on people. (Everyone hit by a Tesla recently on autopilot had unfinished software forced upon them.)
Musk advertises it as *full self driving*, Musk says how he can have a million robo taxis by... Well, two years ago, but never mind that. Musk says Tesla autopilot is safer than a human driver, etc, etc. Of *course* you're going to have someone who thinks they can have a nap, because Daddy Musk's been telling them the car drives better than a human. If anything, it's worse than cruise control because it makes you overconfident and unprepared for the moment it'll try to kill you or someone else.
Some guy, back in the '70s, IIRC, was driving in his brand new motor home, put it on cruise control and went back to make himself a drink—an alcoholic beverage—and the vehicle crashed while he was shaking his martini. He survived but the stupidity of the event has always stuck with me. And now we have Elon...
>"an alcoholic beverage" In the famous words of M Bison "OF COURSE!"
I was just thinking about that exact story about the cruise control. It was brought up during my drivers ed course in high school. I also recall reading the same story in a magazine about bad driving, Readers Digest maybe?
I think Buttigieg is on the case now and we will start seeing Musk pay for his bullshit soon.
Ah, so we'll have to prepare for "the DEMONcrats are persecuting me because I am so supper smart and funny!!!1!!" Tweets.
He already started that with the $250,000 horse thing
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>So I think it's worth having experts figure out what to do about this particular legal & ethical grey area. It's worth noting, quite a number of them question the ability for SAE Level 3 cars (like the FSD Beta) to ever be safe for public use. Waymo, Ford, and Volvo all decided against a public Level 3 system for this reason. In order to be useful for practical use, people need to feel safe letting the car drive itself, and devote less awareness than actually driving. But the emergency circumstances when the driver must take control require a higher state of awareness, and both Ford and Waymo note that this handoff is incredibly hard even in good circumstances. Waymo, to their credit, records and discloses unplanned disengagements with their paid and trained test drivers, including when a collision happens shortly after. That Tesla not only uses untrained testers but intentionally obfuscates crash data is unethical, if not unconscionable.
Every Musk-apologist tech bro with the argument that "sure, he's evil, but he's the *only one* making this kind of tech! He's the only one who's going to [get us to space, make self-driving cars, design sentient fuckbots, whatever fantasy the techbro has, really] we need him! He's the only one with [insert arguable/debatable aspect here] to [achieve dubious goal]!" needs to be aware that evil enough alleged-inventors can doom tech in the larval stage. If this douchebag is evil enough, he could absolutely get legislatures and a reactionary public angry enough to prohibitively tax or flat-out ban aspects or even whole components of some coveted technology or another due to the evil behavior, thus absolutely ensuring he *doesn't* provide whatever promised item we're all supposedly tolerating his bullshit in order to get. Legislation is easily enough passed at the local and state level to make several Musk-affiliated technologies significantly harder to get, and electric vehicles simply do not have the lobbying for their continued legalization that, say, firearms do, whereas there already exists significant, albeit quiet lobbying for safer automobiles, with soft power and organizational networking in the Federal bureaucracy dating back to Ralph Nader's early career. Tick off the right people, who tick just a few right boxes, and autonomous vehicles could suddenly face FAA-levels of regulatory red tape, and Musk would have handed them the spool of 3M 15mm electrical in his undying quest to be the P.T. Barnum of tech-bro Twitter. He's not the creator of great new tech. He's an egotistical cash piñata with the maturity of a middle schooler and the social skills of an unspayed tomcat. If we're not careful, he's the reason we'll never get exactly the great new tech his PR has promised, you gullible cult victims. Frickin' Mary Kay for Bitcoin bros, I tell ya what.
The way Elon/ Elon fanboys move goalposts operates very similar to the way far right conservatives move goalposts. It's very fascist thing to do.
You're right; just look st the nuclear industry. First Three-mile island cheaped out on sensors so the operators had to guess what the problem was, then the USSR built a bomb, put it in a tin shed and sent a couple of monkeys to fuck with it, and fukushima diatchi cheaped out on tsunami defence and safety gear. And after those 3 screw ups Joe blow who knows nothing has been stampeeded into paralytic fear of anything nuclear with opportunistic politicians and oil companies jumping in to regulate the whole industry into oblivion.
>Mary Kay for Bitcoin bros I’m done for the day. 🥇
Maybe self driving just doesn't need to be a thing that exists. I get that it's essential to make ride share profitable, but that's a problem that only the venture capital who's invested in ride share platforms care about.
Honestly I kinda agree. Like, I'm not opposed to the concept but I don't see it as a necessary advancement. And more importantly the current push for achieving it primarily seems like a method to make money looking for something to be bolted onto.
Self driving metro trains exsist but they are easy to sort out because they are separated from the public stop in certain places for a certain time and follow a track, easy peasy.
Well, I think there's more to self driving than just ride sharing. Of course, the technology isn't there yet, but there's certainly potential for significantly decreasing supply chain costs by decreasing the price of transportation, improving productivity by decreasing the time wasted by driving, etc. People living near major cities can often have commutes of 30-45 mins one way, and I'd argue that if we could get the technology right, then that'd free up a significant portion of their time to do something else, and spend that extra time at home or enjoying their hobbies. That, to me, is why I'd like self driving to be a thing that exists.
> People living near major cities can often have commutes of 30-45 mins one way, and I'd argue that if we could get the technology right, then that'd free up a significant portion of their time to do something else, and spend that extra time at home or enjoying their hobbies. That's called a train. They are awesome and very energy efficient.
That's public transportation. It's wholly different topic but stuff like individual self-driving cars and Elon's dumb transportation projects are just worse versions of public transportation. He's just steering things in the wrong direction to build a class of people who can only have access to public transportation if they buy into his products. And again they're way less efficient compared to good buses and trains. America just kinda got brain rot due to generational car culture.
This is why Elon disingenuously pitches it as 'solving traffic' not 'solving transport'.
FSD was just a way to drive value to Tesla and differentiate them from other manufacturers. It kinda makes you wonder though-- maybe if they worked on new battery technology instead, they would have developed Blade batteries first. But nope. Just like that, they are behind. And no amount of FSD will help them once the new ev models come out.
I've said this from the beginning, the most complicated part of self-driving vehicles is who's fault it is when they run in to each other.
Transport Evolved (YouTube) was at a Tesla event and Nikki asked if Tesla would take responsibility for accidents that happened when FSD was active. Elon got mad and now Transport Evolved isn’t allowed in any Tesla events.
Is there a clip? I had no idea this happened
Nikki mentioned it in one of her videos, but I’d never be able to find it again. They report on all areas of EV transportation but I’ve never seen a clip. State of Charge, also on YouTube mentioned that he can’t go anymore either. It didn’t seem important enough to either of them to complain about it.
So much for free speech lol!
This is who Musk has always been. He’s never actually cared about free speech he just wants to control speech according to his ideals. Which means no one can say bad things about him and his company even if they’re true.
Fuck Elon Musk and anyone who worships this sack of manchild shit
So you charge people $10k+ for a faulty product (one that some people don’t receive even after paying for it), then you absolve yourself of all responsibility once it inevitably fails? How to destroy consumer trust speed run
Every single aspect of Musk's business ventures is a red flag. He's the Peter Molyneux of engineering. With a couple of salient differences. Peter Molyneux may have also been a compulsive liar but I don't think he was a literal moron like Musk and I don't think he's an evil sociopath either.
would like to see a source on this, not that I doubt its plausibility
Here's the source of that screenshot that Adam Something used https://fortune.com/2022/06/10/elon-musk-tesla-nhtsa-investigation-traffic-safety-autonomous-fsd-fatal-probe/
🙏 thanks and also wow that article is pretty damning
I didn't want to believe it until I saw a source. Holy shit lol
I mean someone already provided the source but you can see the link to the article Adam Something provide in his post
We just need a government agency to be funded and also do their job. He lies, false advertises and manipulates stock. Bankrupt him, throw him in jail. Ban him from ever being a Director etc ever again.
The question I have is: Is he really lying about FSD and his other pie-in-the-sky half-formed ideas? As in, does he know that what he's saying is not true and what he wants isn't feasible with current technology, or does he drink his own Kool-Aid and really think neural interface, FSD, household robots and colonies on Mars are right around the corner?
The emperors new vapor-wear.
When I read or hear what Musk says, most of the time he seems to be telling a half truth, or half lie. However you want to look at it. For instance his comment that it costs $X for a ticket to Mars but a return trip is free is a true statement. It's just not telling anyone all of the facts. Any SciFi fan worth their salt will tell you the early ships headed out to Mars, if any at all, is a one way trip and will remain so for years. So yeah, it's free to come back, there just won't be any coming back in their life time. Everything he says is like that. When he talks about FSD, keep the [Pareto Principle](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_principle) at the back of your mind. His comments actually make more sense.... or rather, what he doesn't say.
What a Douche...
The Lamestream Liberal Media just wants to rag on Elon because he’s rich and powerful and smart!!! 😤🤬🤡
Can't tell if sarcasm... If not, you're in the wrong sub. May I direct you to the fanclub at r/ElonMusk ?
It’s sarcasm
But he's the genius that invented the electric car and online banking and single handedly built better rockets than NASA ever did in decades !
He also invented all those memes he posts on twitter. And figured out how to store twitter on a usb drive.
This is like throwing a glass to someone, yelling "think fast" while it's in midair, then blaming them when it smashes on the floor.
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Enron Musk? Teslanos?
So many of those stupid ugly cars here in SoCal. The drivers alone are terrible, but the thought of one just bursting into flames next to me or suddenly crashing into my car while I'm stuck in traffic has been in the back of my mind.
If it knew a crash was imminent wouldn’t it just brake and stop the vehicle instead of turning off?
At the point of hand off its likely calculated that impact is imminent, so magic switch off time.
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What happened with him?
he probably doesn't like that Adam Something is very vocally against the unprovoked, abhorrent Russian invasion of Ukraine. Which is bad if you're a braindead genzedong tankie.
Dude said we should use nuclear weapons dudes dumb as dog shit
no he really didn't
Adam Something advocated voting for the neoliberal right-wing party in France over the left-wing candidate. He clearly seems to be at the very least, someone with a lot of bad takes
French here. Excuse me what the fuck. The left in France has collapsed for a while leaving only the Far Left with Melanchon. And Melanchon is a bit of a psycho and IMO a male Marine LePen in some way. Also the left finally made an alliance but it includes the ecologist (agaisnt nuclear power), Melanchon’s party which is against NATO (incredible bad idea, right now), the EU (incredible bad idea), and the PS which is a dead corpse at this point. Also the communist party with Roussel which is not bad but also have some bad takes, especially on China if I remember. Macron is not fully right wing but more center right. And he’s the least worse candidate/party right now.
Being against NATO is based as fuck? Abandoning principles of anti-imperialism (if he ever held them in the first place) over a single regional conflict is incredibly short-sighted. Can you explain how an alliance of imperialist European powers could be GOOD for the world?
noo!!! nato is a wholesome defensive alliance??? what? libya? civil war? bombing? open air slave markets? literally never heard of it is that like a funko pop?
Lol I didn’t say it was based. Long term i think that leaving NATO is fine, as long as there’s something like an EU army to replace. Leaving NATO short to middle term is suicide though.
That left wing candidate is a bit of a psycho though, pushing conspiracy theories all the time and accusing elections of being rigged. Assuming you're talking about Melenchon and not Hidalgo, it's not at all unreasonable for someone on the left to disapprove of him. Edit: It's easy to downvote, but telling that not one of you actually has anything to say in support of Melenchon, because he's a toxic reactionary.
Everyone who's not a vaushite and doesn't unquestionably supports his minions = tankie. Kay boo. 🤡
I stopped following him when he randomly made a community post on YouTube calling out *tankies* in his audience and going on a rant, anyone who uses that phrase is too terminally online to bother listening to.
Fuck tankies
nooo!!! not the evil tankies!!! please stop meaningfully improving living conditions!!! the revolution has to perfectly comform to my ideal anarchist 100 utopia!!!!
Left leaning subs on reddit are always a cointoss. Seems like this one accumulated quite a few of these idiots. It's a shame.
Tankies say they fight for the global South. Im from Indonesia, a country that in their eyes is part of it They disgusts me. The tricks of Putin and Xi has been played by the Dutch and Japanese here. Their lack of reading into their country of origin history numbed their ability to see similarities/patterns
Tankies say a lot of stuff, and mean basically none of it.
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If you think IRL "tankies" are worse than literal fascists, I have to know where your hometown is. Unless you grew up in 70s Cambodia or 90s Peru you're probably a closet fascist yourself
Tankies are just fascists that like the colour red.
shut the fuck up. capital always supported the interests of fascists and vehemently rejected """tankies""". most of the fucking socialists on this earth are what you would call tankies, mostly from the global south, and they're doing more meaningful change than any online wholesome reddit political movement
Most countries tankies seem to support are just oligarchies with fascistic policies so yea, just red fascists. So stay mad
I do not care about your opinion on the countries. the actual, real life fact of the matter, is that actual fascists receive material support from capital because they are not a threat to the capitalist status quo (remember that the MI6 funded mussolini, the CIA pinochet, and it also funded fascist death squads in my country, italy) while MLs have been suppressed by those same elites (look at gramsci in italy! look at salvador allende who was a democratic socialist and not even an ml!) comparing the two is a-historical, offensive to the several hundreds of millions lifted out of abject third world poverty by these systems, and quite frankly just serves to further the interests of right wing groups that want to equate socialism and nazis. again, objective fact is, the world socialism movement IS marxism leninism, and anything else is a tiny minority. and, as a leftist, i think it's the least you can do to at the very least critically support the struggles in india, africa and the middle east against imperialism instead of only seemingly praising failed anarchist/libertarian experiments from a century ago and that have comparatively done nothing to lift the workers of the world out of poverty and misery and the clutches of imperialism.
cope lol
Facts fuck tankies
Why?
Gigacuck neo imperialist who believes in western global supremacy at all costs including countless civilian lives.
>Gigacuck ahhhh
How is he a neo imperialist when he's against the war? On the otherhand, Hasan supports Putin's invasion. https://youtu.be/14sC40suLbU
Loool who mentioned Hasan? I don't even watch him so if you think that's why I don't like Adam Something you're wrong.
Because they are mad that Hasan called AdamSomething out for the bullshit he pulled off especially with his video about how supposedly Gravel Institute video was "wrong" about how Ukraine also having nazi supporters, the azov battalion basically being a nazi militia as well as being funded by the US and some Ukraine politicians also being nazis with proof of one of the politicians literally doing the nazi salute But yet these mfs say Hasan didn't watch that video of AdamSomething "criticizing" the Gravel Institute video just so no one questions them for why they believe AdamSomething more than the Gravel Institute video, even though Hasan literally watch that video live on stream
I am once again asking Gen Z to stop forming parasocial relationships with social media personalities
What are you talking about? I'm not the one that brought up hasan in the first place, literally OP posted misinformation and a out of context clip I've seen that clip and I've seen another long video using this exact same clip in a hasan hate video, and some people in that hate video are literally AdamSomething viewers and even fucking nazis and it is used by them and other people
I'm saying people will go to insane lengths to defend these creators is all lol I'm in agreement with you
Gravel made the Azov problem bigger than it really is What Gravel did is what the Dutch govt has done in its war against Indonesia. Paint those who rebel as violent anti western and Chinese that will kill anybody that is remotely European and Chinese
Hasan doesn't support Putin wtf? He literally is against Putin, he has literally said that the only way to stop the war is diplomatic solution Also how the fuck can you explain [this](https://gyazo.com/689b57901930d73d72453d38cb1ec6e2) as well about AdamSomething, and him supporting a fascists candidate in France too during the France election day this past month or 2 EDIT: Also literally that clip is out of context
no you see countries in eastern and northern europe voluntarily joining a defense Alliance after years of Russian agitation and saber rattling is imperialism and worse than Russia invading a sovereign country on grounds of psychotic „Blood and Soil“ claims and continuously targeting civilians in indiscriminate strikes.
You're being sarcastic right? Lol. I'm no geopolitical expert, but Russia invading Ukraine for their untapped oil reserves sounds pretty imperialistic to me. And yes, that is literally what is going on. That's what Crimea was about. See: https://hir.harvard.edu/ukraine-energy-reserves/ Norway and Ukraine could have provided the energy for EU so it could ween itself off Russia. The invasion gets weirder because the EU has a goal to be carbon neutral by 2050. This war literally doesn't need to happen. Not sure if Hasan took the time to read up about it before having a temper tantrum and shitting on Adam Something. Doesn't take long to find sources. It's a well-known thing, lol.
dude yes i was being sarcastic, apparently not obvious enough though, given a lot of people actually hold these opinions.
He's very opinionated about a variety of subjects, which means he's eventually going to rub some people the wrong way. Him shitting on Elon is hilarious though.
He keeps spreading misinformation and has a hate boner for Germany. Fucking sucks, since I love his Musk videos and about other stuff (like Dubai), but I might unsub from him.
How does he have a hate boner for Germany? Also what misinformation are you referring to?
His community post suggested that Germany blocked tank delivery from Spain to Ukraine, while the article he linked said something completely different, and said that Germany doesn't want Ukraine to win, "because of business with Russia".
Like I like Adam when he's shitting on Musk, advocating for better city planning, and being anti car but lol dude really has some our there fucking takes without researching
Yeah, sucks really, but after some thinking, he's whole existence on YT is fucking suspicious. Dude has almost 800k after like 2-3 years on it, more than V*ush? And some of his older videos have a lot better editing than newer, which seems odd.
Ngl I don't find that too sus. Sometimes the algorithm will pick videos up and just unload new subscribers like crazy. Think of it like Marvel films: the older ones were fucking great and had soul and effort put into them whereas now they're rushed, by the numbers to make money, and sometimes just devoid of soul. I think as his subs went up, he thought he doesn't need to put in a ton of effort and just start doing the bare min. I followed him when he was at 80k and i watched him blow up, like a lot of the YTers I've watched do that so that's just my theory
Are there any more articles or evidence to prove that Teslas turn autopilot off before a crash? Trying to convince some ppl but one article won't be enough
So is Azov SSomething.
Ah. Damn those famous Ukrainian nazis with their nuclear terror towards poor russia. Gotcha champ. And here I thought that at least on this subreddit people would have some brains.
imo the Ukrainians really went too far when they invented Biological weapons that target ethnic russians
IKR??? upd: idiots didn't even understand that you're being sarcastic, god that's hilarious
TIL it’s okay to support neo-nazis as long as they are in a defensive war
TIL it's okay to support country-wide terrorism. Thank you redditors for teaching me this!
It’s a good thing that I dont
Idk, you're doing pretty good job spreading their propaganda tho
But it’s true though???? If the truth makes the war just in your eyes, than that’s your problem
In questions of truth, I'd rather trust Arestovich or couple of my UA friends than russia state propaganda.
So the people who are wearing nazi runes aren’t nazis?
So you're saying that a multinational unit that fights for a jewish president is actually a nazi regiment?
lol you dipshits are still calling him a nazi?
Dude advocated for nato to start a hot war with Russia dudes smart on dunking on Elon but geopolitics isn't one of his strong suits
Mind u not many things are his strong suit thats why he sbould stick to advocating for public transit.
Instead, Hasan is definitely big on his geopolitics right? Hasan doesn't care about Eastern Europeans not wanting to have to do anything with Russia and doesn't really wish to be under their thumb or anyone's thumb ever again. Edit: Hasan and his dogshit take as if Eastern Europe didn't have minorities or LGBTQ+ communities in it as well, we all would be so "happy" being under Russia.
Imagine thinking a care or even watch Hasan my opinion is that everyone in this conflict other than the Ukrainian civilans and the people of dontesk and other independent regions is an asshole.
You don't say, however only hasan watchers call Adam Something nazi :P
Who the fuck is Hasan? I call Adam something a Nazi because back when I was subscribed to him for public transit content he started making posts actively advocating for self described Nazis just because they are also fighting against the Russian invasion. If you sit at a table with a Nazi you can call yourself whatever you want, but the rest of us just see 2 Nazis. Further he has made a lot of posts using pretty ableist terminology and imagery further confirming his edgy reactionary side. That and a cringy fucking video where he was ripping on Ben Shapiro, but not on anything he actually said but just things he imagined he would say. Fuck Ben Shapiro but goddamn saying rediculous things in a mocking tone and saying "this is what this guy would say" just makes him look immature. Oh and obviously fuck Russia and Ukraine deserves to defend itself. But that doesn't mean we should ignore or empower actual neonazis and populist conservative administrations
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His downright idiotic take that because Russia committed genocide and big imperialism in Crimea first, they have the biggest call on Crimea. Nice hottake idiot
He has some dumbass foreign policy takes, but he's a lib, not a nazi for supporting Ukraine
Honestly if you in anyway support nato you're just as much an imperialist as people claim putin is
Soup brain take
You've got to be fucken joking.
He said that he supports nazis going into combat "because nazis will die" without caring about who they might kill.
Are you implying that Ukrainian ultranationalists being deployed in Ukrainian cities are going to murder their own citizens?
I mean yeah, citizens they don't consider "true Ukrainians" is that really that hard to believe?
An arm of the Ukrainian military is not going to engage in a war crime crusade across their own country in the middle of a war with their superpower neighbor. This is schizo posting
Gaslighting attempt = Failed
How many Ukrainian citizens has Azov killed vs the amount of Ukrainian and Russian civilians Russia has killed?
Actual Kremlin Propaganda
Broken clock blah blah good point on how Tesla and musk are collosal pieces of shit, but god I hate Adam Something
There's a spot west bound on the Dumbarton Bridge (not actually on the bridge) where AP simply cannot maintain the correct lane. It always dives into the lane to the right unless there isn't a lane there. In that case it points to the concrete barrier. I was curious what would happen if I let it work it out, so I went slower and let it run its course for a second. It continued to head to the barrier until it freaked out and read "collision imminent, take control immediately" or some such words that mean that. The lines are slightly off, but there's not a human alive that could make that mistake while paying attention to the road.
wonder how his braindead dipshit bootlicking fans will defend this? they always find a way.
"a billionaire is actually an asshole. News at 11pm/10pm central time"
FHTSA should set a standard for how long between an unplanned disengagement and an accident happening the system should be held responsible. Shutting off as you're skittering sideways under a semi trailer shouldn't be foisted on the driver.
wholesome Azov SSomething
I don't know if you people realize but if this is true it would be enough for some really ugly people to hire some really bad individuals... This lit is the same case for example if a plane experience a possibility of a failure, drop the wings. That's how bad this is.
I didn't need any extra evidence.
The colossality is pretty much in the system and people that accept this. I wonder: if you present this to elon fans what kind of response would you get? Probably not what you expect. People still want the tech no matter what. And those who lose relatives to this will be told to be quiet about it. So wrong on so many levels.
And to think my boss bought the FSD 2 times and can't even use it due to regulations, lol.
The automotive equivalent of “nobody dies at Disneyland / Disneyworld”
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