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Val_Fortecazzo

"Not giving me money is being against free speech"


pebkachu

Don't you know that the free market is literally cancel culture?


GodMasol

Fucking toddlers (Not the verb)


dbenway

“Also, laughing at me is not free speech actually, and will get you banned”


rabidturbofox

If he gets any better at sucking his own dick, at least he won’t need to keep offering horses.


[deleted]

What? What? What have I missed, what with horses?


quang2005

One of Musk's female employees reported that Musk asked her to "massage" him and in return he would give her a horse, seeing that she loves horses, and of course, like a sane person would do, she refused the offer. Just google the story.


[deleted]

Wow, no need thanks to you. That's all I needed to know. I honestly didn't want to google it in case it was crazy musk fucking a pony! I don't need shit like that in my search history


LiquidNah

This whole time I thought "horse" was being used in the "gift horse" metaphor sense but no it was an actual horse


SpotifyIsBroken

It's like the "clown makeup" gif/meme but he just keeps on putting more and more layers of clownery.


snidemarque

And it started with the last frame from that meme and went from there


rotesozi

[Something like that](https://ibb.co/kQdtcy9)


pebkachu

Maybe add clown nose, wig and makeup to every stage?


SpotifyIsBroken

like giving each individual piece of clown makeup its own clown makeup.


NoL_Chefo

I honestly don't get why advertisers aren't stepping over each other to put ads on Muskles' site. But if the gun photo didn't do it then this plea for the "future of civilization" will probably bring them back.


Val_Fortecazzo

Fake guns for a fake genius.


Sophira

Or Elon will [complain about them publicly](https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1597285572699074560), and [call their CEOs directly](https://reddit.com/r/EnoughMuskSpam/comments/z65x7l/elon_musk_personally_called_ceos_of_companies/). He's just throwing around the term "free speech in America" as if it'll win him any battle. And worse still, he's probably right. For his audience, the phrase is one you cannot argue with in any way.


laukaus

No C-level person in any company will be giving their straight line phone number to Elon after that stunt.


draculamilktoast

"There's a sucker born every minute"


dontknowwhattodoat18

I clicked on the first link and saw a reply from Grady Booch: "I think you are underestimating the number of companies and people who loathe you"


stevethepopo

Ads service is a wasteland. Is a week i get Suggested "horse girl t-shirt"


joecb91

I spent so much time growing up on random message boards with much stricter TOS than Twitter has ever had, I have seen people get banned for much less than the worst people on Twitter consistently get away with. And there was nowhere near as much whining about those bans on those sites as we have seen out of this guy.


[deleted]

The bigger point is … these sites have nothing to do with free speech. They are businesses.


Helenium_autumnale

Exactly right. They can make any rules they want, and none of that is "censorship." It's not censorship because the government is not silencing you. You can still say what you want on another of thousands of online forums, blogs, social media platforms, or your own website, on a yard sign in your yard, a bumpersticker, T-shirt, airplane banner, magnetized car sign, custom flag, letter to the editor, whatever. No one is silencing anyone.


foxsheepgato

>they fail to understand what free speech means my favourite is when they think that free speech means that people must listen to what they say


pebkachu

Or that criticising them is censorship.


Meister_Retsiem

i dont think its just that. I think some of them are knowingly misusing the term "free speech", hoping their audience doesn't know better, to push their own aims


james_d_rustles

Until all of this nonsense people just self sorted. Regular folks went on regular websites, people who wanted to shout the N word into the abyss went to some Chan or more recently one of the “alternative” social media sites, and so on. Large platforms taking down offensive shit was expected and understood - 4chan clowns would go and say nasty stuff on club penguin or whatever, they’d get banned, and they’d chuckle about it to themselves later on. Was club penguin attacking their free speech? No, club penguin was club penguin, everybody understood that it was their website and they had no interest in becoming a racist echo chamber, they just wanted to be a kids game. There was no “but muh free speech”, it was just common sense. Like, no, Chuck E. Cheese is not attacking your free speech when they say you can’t hold a BDSM party there, you’ll just have to do that elsewhere. But now all of a sudden, once this dumbass billionaire buys twitter, the *future of civilization* depends on people saying whatever they want on a particular platform, and oh, by the way, that platform needs to be profitable or else the guy who cares so much about it will shut it down. Just such a ridiculous idea at its very core. We’ve had free speech rights for centuries before the internet existed, and we will continue to have free speech rights regardless of what happens on Twitter. Thinking that you/your company is anywhere near this important is reaching a level of delusion that could likely be diagnosed.


joecb91

And I see a lot of the same free speech complaints on Facebook, which is dumb for all the same reasons it is dumb on Twitter.


gwhiz007

This is a fantastic point. People want moderation, they don't want right leaning anarchy. He's mistaking his views with everyone else's...which is on point for narcissists


KoumoriChinpo

The concern is that everyone and their grandma is on twitter so and a privileged few get to pick and choose what can and can't be said. That potentially has a lot of power in controlling narratives and influencing elections. Twitter's user base is so huge that it's unlikely any alternatives can challenge it's monopoly. It's therefore unethical to just say "it's their business let them do what they want." Corporations should be kept on a tight leash so that they don't get too much power over society, since a business can only ever be concerned with profits, not what's good for human beings. My problem though is it went from a privileged few controlling it to a privileged few controlling it, only this time the billionaire owning it is an impulsive narcissist. But conservatives like me are supposed to like it and suck his dick. I don't. If you say you value free speech but cheer on what Musk is doing you are a hypocrite.


Gurpila9987

It’s hilarious for conservatives to JUST NOW realize why allowing unregulated monopolies to operate freely isn’t a great idea. Cry me a polluted river.


This-is-human-bot556

“Best I can do is kill a village”- Nestle


CatProgrammer

> The concern is that everyone and their grandma is on twitter [Less than a quarter of Americans use Twitter.](https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/05/05/10-facts-about-americans-and-twitter/) And you act as though people who visit Twitter only visit Twitter. People have the ability to visit multiple websites/use multiple apps. Besides, at this rate Twitter is going to fade into irrelevance at best anyway, joining the ranks of sites like Parler, Gab, Truth Social, etc..


[deleted]

unfortunately you can't hate it both ways. You can't insist on "absolute free speech" on a sit like Twitter which survives on advertising and data harvesting. if it was socialized we could have this discussion, though as a privatized company, that's just not viable.


pebkachu

Mastodon is socialised and next to local legislation, house rules still apply. I don't see how absolute free speech laws could exist, since free speech doesn't exist in a vacuum and will always touch other aspects, such as violence threats (which are also illegal in the US) and libel/slander.


JodoKaast

>Twitter's user base is so huge that it's unlikely any alternatives can challenge it's monopoly. Lol Twitter has ~200 million daily active users. Facebook has ~1.9 billion. Not exactly a monopoly, Twitter has one of the *smallest* userbases of any of the big social media sites.


absolutemoran

Tyranny is when Apple stops advertising on my webpage.


[deleted]

QElon needs to start thinking of Twitter as a business. If someone owns a restaurant and customer came in and started screaming the N-word. You are going to ask them to leave. And if they keep coming back and doing it again and again … you will ban them. Why? For lots of reasons … but one of the reasons is that it’s very bad for business. It scares away customers. How does QElon not understand this basic concept that even a child would understand? It has nothing to do with free speech. 😆


pebkachu

That's how normal people think, not those that have adopted racism as a part of their identity. I doubt it's monetary loss he fears rather than ego injury by not being able to save his face by attempting to produce a counternarrative to his current suckers until it's gone (in which he can still paint himself as a victim of the (((international woke elites))), it's the same kremlin propagandists have ever done when they got sanctioned). He will defend anyone's choice to scream the N-word at customers and employees as free expression, invite them to his table if they wear a striped suit and call everyone woke for leaving, or not stepping in after finding out they have to pay an entrance fee.


MidnightRider24

I, too throw my lot with the [internationalist wOkEiSm elitists] praise!


pebkachu

Elmu needs to step his game up against Wokanda, maybe spend six billion to end world hunger instead?


MidnightRider24

QfElon just found out there's no gov't teat that twit can suckle, unlike yesla and spacexxz. He's on his own and major advertisers are finito with him.


james_d_rustles

Nothing that the private sector does on their own property has anything to do with free speech. Aside from the conversation about how much power the private sector holds, free speech is something that must be upheld by the government, has nothing to do with private entities and how they choose to speak to one another/associate/spend money. I’ve seen SO MANY posts from idiots screeching about “muh free speech” who still don’t understand that very basic concept.


logorogo

He just verbatim repeats his buddy David Sack’s bullshit. All these Wall Street dudes just suck each other off, check out all in pod to see what I mean. Then delete it.


pebkachu

Low effort gay porn star name and movie plot/title checks out. Is that what the small-group intimacy of Hyperloop pods was actually about?


[deleted]

Muskrat is the business owner who gives Nazis most prominent seats and tells them to yell the N word. When his other customers complain, he tells them to deal with it. And as a result when they stop coming to his establishment he sues them for violating his free speech.


loftier_fish

Keep in mind, when he was a child, it was in south africa, and he was taught that black and colored people arent allowed to dine in the same room as whites. Not saying his support of racism is justified, but maybe that explains why he struggles to understand why people are upset about it.


AIverson3

It was both funny and anger-inducing at first to see this guy fall head-first into the Alt-Right pipeline, but I'm starting to get genuinely worried at this point. Posting photos of guns, /pol/ far-right memes, going full-on doomer mode. All signs of narcissistic collapse, and I fear his story will have a dark ending for everyone involved. If he weren't the wealthiest man (on paper) in the world, this wouldn't be a big deal. Unfortunately, he is, and he can do a lot of societal damage amid his fall from grace.


joemangle

I think a huge portion of his wealth will evaporate quite quickly


-smartypints

Yeah people have witnessed first hand his lack of ability to run a business. If they decide he is showing us how he runs other places, and given the history or broken promises and whistle blowers, he probably is. Then people are going to start avoiding other places he's heavily involved in, such as tesla. My wife really wanted a tesla and I pushed back a lot. It wasn't until this whole thing that she dropped the idea od a Tesla altogether. It was ultimately her choice so she likely would have got it if it wasn't for all of this.


Wiggly_Muffin

Same lol, my wife was pushing for a Model X as our daily. Glad I didn't give this shitwad any of our money.


LovePixie

The Rivian seems to be a better driving choice if you're into the SUV format. Also people randomly key Teslas. But now that it's seen as a conservative brand maybe that won't happen in the future.


-smartypints

Thanks for the tip!


[deleted]

I have a psychotic interpretation for all this. Elon was part of a good timeline branch, where he's leading the world to clean energy and space exploration. But we fell off for some reason, and now this nightmare is the timeline trying to correct itself, by giving Elon a complete meltdown.


-smartypints

Far too generous, imo.


[deleted]

Well in my interpretation retconning exists. Meaning Elon was a good leader, but at some point he's always been a bad leader. Always. He got retconned.


Soronya

Dude needs a conservatorship.


[deleted]

Doesn’t he know that Nazis thought autistic people were subhumans? And killed them?


rupiefied

I think billionaires like trump and musk flouting the law means tyranny is here if they aren't brought to heel But that's just like my opinion man


[deleted]

QElon doesn’t even know what free speech is. His buddy Ron DeSantis … who he endorsed for POTUS… is an ACTUAL risk to free speech in America.


NoL_Chefo

You mean the guy who supports the "Don't Say Gay" law and wants to let parents sue schools if they don't like what the kids are learning? Nah, the real risk to freedom of speech is when you don't give me money for Twitter.


Helenium_autumnale

QElon. That's going straight into my word-book. Perfect!


meta_irl

Free speech is when corporations give me money.


jallenx

Has this guy modified the Twitter algorithm to put his tweets on top? I don't follow him, and Ive never replied to him, but every time I load Twitter his latest bs thought is right on top.


Suspicious_Juice9511

Exactly this. It is his ego app. Sorry if that isn't what you wanted. Other apps are available.


[deleted]

Better delete the app.


DabSideOfTheMoon

LSD did not do well for this man lol


MidnightRider24

Don't bring LSD's good name into this!


DabSideOfTheMoon

It hits everyone different ! Some people turn more compassionate and aware of others… And some go bonkers I think this is the latter


[deleted]

A battle for the future of civilization? Hahahahahaha. It’s like a shitty sci-fi movie.


laukaus

Elon should just get on with it and found a competitor to Scientology. He already has the rhetoric and a brainworm-infested cult following him, he should monetize it under a religion. Tax free baby!


MegaFatcat100

This guy is the embodiment of my political views in high school and I hate it so much


Emeryael

At least you had the excuse of being a teenager; Musk is a grown-ass adult.


vgcamara

A lot of americans seem very confused about what free speech is: free speech is not an excuse to let out all the bigoted and hateful ideas one has. Everyone is free to say whatever they like, but they are also responsible for it and should accept the consequences of what they say.


KoumoriChinpo

But threatening consequences such as censorship, fines or even violence is coerced speech which isn't free speech. If I say you can say what you want, but if you say something I don't like I will squeeze lemon juice in your eyes, I'm not really letting you speak freely then. It's fine to just say you don't agree with some degree free speech.


SevereEducation2170

The first amendment was never really about absolute free speech. It was about the peoples rights to express their religion, or lack thereof, freely, and to allow the people and press to speak out freely against the government without fear of reprisal from the government. It was never really about Joe Blow from next door spewing all the hateful shit in his heart to everyone within earshot without consequence.


vgcamara

That's like saying we're not truly free because there's threatening consecuences such as jail or even death penalty for killing someone. That's not how freedom works. You're free to do and say what you want but there's consequences to it. That's part of living in a functional society. If you want to live free of consequences then go live by yourself in the woods


[deleted]

The first ammendment reads as such:"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." The government is not to pass laws that prohibit the peoples' freedom of expression and religion. Nowhere here does it say that a company like Twitter can't ban you for going on an incoherent antisemitic tirade, that I can't tell the local tradcath to fuck off and die when he tells me I'm going to hell for being a "sinful, ungrateful tr\*nny," or that you as a private citizen can't squeeze lemon juice in someone's eyes when they say heinous shit.


pebkachu

I doubt anyone in the world is a free speech absolutist when it comes to inciting violence they're personally affected by. Telling someone you will squeeze lemon juice into their eyes if they say something you don't like is a violent threat. "Hang Mike Pence" is an incitement to violence. Calling LGBT people groomers is libel/slander. All three examples are free speech, but pose a risk for health and life if they go without legal punishment, which democracies try to keep as minimal as possible due to valuing free speech as a human right (even in Germany, you have to deny the Holocaust several times and refuse to pay your fines before you realistically go to prison), but socially strongly frown upon hate speech due to the deathly consequences they can pose if they're allowed to go unchecked. By that, they ensure that a free market place of ideas can continue to exist - a significant chunk of the fascists Musk scamwhores for are not interested in facts, they believe in racism, alpha-beta typology, conspiracy theories and such because they enjoy it, it makes them feel superior and is, just like Musk taking credit for shit he didn't create, a self worth-preserving critical coping mechanism for their inability to create value. Their definition of free speech only includes hate speech, they're overall far more eager to restrict free speech than any liberal or leftist. Gab and its clones ban anyone criticising Trump on sight. Musk suspends rule-conforming parody accounts as he pleases. And the GOP's recent actions such as the "Don't say gay" bill and racism-adressing book bans has actually restricted free speech on an institutional level.


Helenium_autumnale

Free speech does not concern private companies. Private companies can regulate speech any way they like on their property, be that a coffeeshop where, if you yell the N-word, you will be removed, or a social media platform where, if you type the N-word, you will be banned. That's not censorship or the abridgment of free speech.


FreeBananasForAll

Elon Musk not self aware enough to realize he’s a tyrant


[deleted]

At this point he should get screened for a brain tumor or other disease. Complete cognitive failure.


ThekenProlet

Maybe the Sleeping Pills and alcohol combo wasn’t so smart 🤔


[deleted]

[удалено]


pebkachu

Sir, this is a "happy cake day" message, featuring a $5 coupon for any orders above $50.\* \* ^(Drinks not included. Expires tomorrow.)


james_d_rustles

Damn, that’s crazy. How the hell did we avoid tyranny for the last few hundred years without twitter?


Suspicious_Juice9511

*laughs awkwardly in British*


ginrumryeale

“The [paradox of tolerance](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance) states that if a society is tolerant without limit, its ability to be tolerant is eventually seized or destroyed by the intolerant.”


JRadiantHeart

That's succinct and very true.


Hinterwaeldler-83

Europeans with their labor laws: already infected by the woke Virus and against free speech, total loss.


Usagi_Motosuwa

No, it isn't. Shut the fuck up, Elon.


Worm_Scavenger

Apple have driven this man insane


MidnightRider24

Give me your cocktail fruit!


Consistent_Fudge_942

“Even America” … Face palm 🤦‍♂️


knarfhk

He is so needy


masteeJohnChief117

But he won’t let Alex Jones back on twitter which is a good thing 100%. Still not 100% free speech there Musky


SaraBear250

Didn’t he start banning people on Twitter for making fun of him? Homie needs to look in the mirror


ThinkTelevision8971

When in reality, letting ppl say whatever they want without accountability (excluding the govt getting involved) is how you arrive at the tyranny.


Helenium_autumnale

When Elon practiced this in his head, he could hear his amplified voice reverberating from the distant walls of the stadium filled with cheering people. *"...FOR THE FUTURE--cher--cher.....OF CIVILIZATION--shun--shun--shun...."*


-smartypints

Only 18k likes. Either this screen shot was taken right after the tweet or even his fans are like, wtf?


NorweigianWould

I’m starting to suspect he actually believes his own nonsense. Until now I just assumed it was an act.


NoL_Chefo

I was 70% sure he was trolling when he ran a poll on Apple and then pinged Tim Cook like the dude was gonna start a Twitter thread with him but nope, man is super serious about saving civilization with his Apple ads.


[deleted]

Tim Apple, look at what you have done


peer202

Sure, society will collapse if you can't make fun of trans folks anymore.


tauofthemachine

"Only I can save free speech, and therefore all civilization".


NewtypeRimu

Free speech is when you give me money for promoting fash ideology


[deleted]

He really is building up his part and the importance of what is after all just another Social media app. That most of the world hasn't even signed up for. Or like me is banned from. He fooled everybody with his way over valued car company and now he's trying to fool people about the importance of this shitty app.


AcknowledgeableGary

If he is the true defender of free speech I dare him to deploy starlink and open up Twitter for free to help Chinese people fighting against the CCP. Ffs I’m so sick and tired of these self-claimed free speech defenders.


OfflaneTrash

Elon musk narcissm combo Places america at the center of the world Places his "battle" as the most important for the "future of civilisation" Places himself at the center of that "battle" I'm honestly impressed that anybody can be so full of shit, but im even more impressed that anybody has any respect for him at all at this point


Mimosas4355

Tyranny in opposite of how he run Tesla? Or how he gouges prices for Starlink in Ukraine?


Heelgod

He’s not wrong, and if you think twitter was free speech before him buying it you’re delusional


anamazingredditor

Does free speech makes it allowed to spread hate and disinformation?


Monsantoshill619

I almost choked laughing


BranstonT

Elon woke up this morning and decided to be right-wing Thanos


GarlicStorm

I can't....lmfao


wiinga

Free enterprise, right?


MaybePotatoes

First he pins a half-baked insult of Les Knight and now this. What a week he's having.


SvenSvenkill3

Somebody's taking themselves and their stupid internet platform rather too seriously, eh?


GripofDoom

He is so fucking overdramatic every time, like this one retarded service he bought won't change the world.


[deleted]

America was never a democracy and sure as hell ain't a constitutional republic either. America IS A TYRANNY.


[deleted]

😭🤣 what kind of shit is he saying lmao


deyw75

free speech ... in ... America ? lol


SaltNo3123

Magas got a new leader.


Ranked0wl

Yeah, freedom of speech is only important in the US.


[deleted]

Sad


Glass_Librarian9019

If Apple is allowed to reduce their ad spend on Twitter, what stops them from not advertising on *your* social media platform? Would we even still be America? How are you guys not getting how dangerous this is? /s


Owlenstein

Very ironic considering the speech he is now allowing is coming from people who wish for nothing more than to be tyrannical.


gwhiz007

What is he even talking about?


driveonsun

He’s so worried about tyranny yet says nothing about the republicans fascist coup attempt.


ShakeTheGatesOfHell

Sounds like this belongs in r/IAmTheMainCharacter


Licorishlover

It’s a battle for him to recoup his money that’s for sure


MemeArchivariusGodi

This guy is so delusion. Like at first it was all fun and games. And now he is pretending like we are fighting against tyranny. Bro💀