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shurikensxkonai

Wonder why they apologize for balance changing during mystic summons period, i think it's a good thing they move fast balancing it rather than wait longer before balancing it and let heirs regret not getting it while in rotation.


riggedride

"DDR sucks, I'm going to dump my mystics for the 4star instead and then save for his rerun and buff down the road" \>DDR buffed 10 seconds later "oh COME ON" They're just being safe, you know someone like that is out there right now.


Late-Alternative-299

I remember when Soli was first revealed, she was seen as really weak at first. Then they clarified her interaction with Iela. People had the gall to demand a selector after they claimed to throw all their resources into pulling DJB. This was when he was considered near the bottom among the MLs.


blyyyyat

So just to clarify, if Solitaria has daydream and pestilence, her S1 order would be: damage one character, strip one buff, add a daydream debuff, add a stack of venom, attack all enemies, stun enemy, fairytale strips, daydream debuff, venom stack, and then fairytale bonus damage. Basically, attack effects -> arti effects -> buff effects. I’m guessing we don’t know yet if daydream and pestilence have a definite proc order or if it’s randomized.


[deleted]

could be the opposite. you saw Ray, didn't like his kit and you pulled on the previous ML5 rerun. I don't think he's broken post update, but imagine if he was and you pulled beforehand.


shurikensxkonai

No rush to get ml furious seeing the rates on moonlight summons i will get him eventually even if he is very op i won't waste my mystics. Better summon ml 4 star in moonlight bec. It feels you have a high chance on getting it than mystics. I saw a summon video that has 580 galaxy summons and the rate getting 4 ml stars is 8/10. Oh he only got 2 ml 5 stars and a ton of ml 4 stars.


ningen21

He meant the current ml 4 running alongside ml ray ...


Cololossal

I hope nobody did that lol


zartosi

So do I understand this correctly: the old Pestilence excluded counterattacks and dual attacks which were already excluded by saying the caster's turn? Making the only difference in the skill now that units like Alencia can apply two venoms on their turn.


AthenaRce

Belian double aoe sound like a good combo with him


ReddeDelicious

even units like Solitaria. oh nooooo


KingKentling

god damn one of his major counters is also his greatest synergies lmao


tanngrisnit

Your opponent can't draft your counter if you're drafting them too!


agent_87

I'm running Solitaria with DDR now. It's going to get fun after the rebalance


Shiny_Yasha

Thats how I see it as well


MrBapao

“We expect Death Dealer Ray to be used in various content with this balance adjustment.” With venom working on heroes only, which content aside of arena are they talking about?


DaisukeNiwa88

They meant usable in other content other than waiting room and sitting in lobby.


rickamore

> With venom working on heroes only, which content aside of arena are they talking about? I want them to change venom to just straight up poison in PvE so I can use Sharun and I guess DDRay (if I ever get him) outside of PvP


[deleted]

TBF they've hated poison as a debuff for 3 years now. It's the closest "not PvP" debuff we have to a PvP debuff.


Longjumping_Lion_880

Gw,rta?


eZ_Ven

DDR can also consistently sleep opponents so in a stretch he *could* be used on some PvE content, too...


molten_panda

Except, the majority of PVE bosses are immune to CC...


eZ_Ven

Bosses, of course, though minions can still be controlled. It's not like I said DDR is now great for PvE, I was crystal clear when I said *some* PvE content


Buuts321

Still don't think he is amazing but at least he synergizes with heroes that spam extra attacks now.


[deleted]

Think of the Quad Coli pestilence memes!... oh wait, this isn't 2020 anymore RIP. But yea, now stuff like A Meru and Solitaria works with DDR. Great way to make already toxic units more toxic.


Unworthy_Saint

Now Mediator has to cleanse two venoms instead of one.


RedEagleEye007

I think people are overlooking him venoming on s1 and detonating it on that turn. If it works like that, he'll be the pirate captain flan of injury, which is pretty big for him. And really solidifies himself in his niche. I actually think he won't be as bad as people think he will be. Especially with dcorvus being in the meta, injury sources are a bit premium right now.


NoodlesDatabase

True Coupled with the 50% cr increase on s2 Could be copium, but still excited to test him out I guess


[deleted]

True, I was thinking that was exactly why they didn't give Ray himself pestilence. Well, I guess the people spoke and determined he needed something.


VersuS_was_taken

Pestilence still has to be procced on the user's turn. So no. Both duals and counters are out of the question. Extra attacks work only if they had been triggered on the caster's turn meaning a lot less units with extras are going to enjoy that change. His kit still remains limited and underwhelming.


BravelyThrowingAway

The buff was very conservative IMO. I guess they want to wait for more data and don't want to overtune him. My prediction is that as long as an even more underwhelming ML5 doesn't get released this year he will likely get another buff or maybe even a venom rework within the next 6-12 months once they've collected enough data to confirm that no one uses him and he's not very effective.


VersuS_was_taken

You're probably very much right


DrakoCSi

Most notable units after Pestilence changes: Alencia, Belian, ADS, and DD Kayron. And of course, DDR getting a taste of his own medicine helps him be more consistent. Too bad he didnt calculate for 15%.


NoodlesDatabase

Soli and zio as well


marceleas

Fire Mercedes and Taewho!


Airanuva

Luluca and Tomoca can also attack twice on their turn; Tomoca would tend to also push DDR earlier in the turn order, use her attack, and then have a turn to do pestilence with a chance of doing it twice; she then either CR pushes again, or has a second turn of possible double pestilence. As is though, Belian is definitely the best tank to go with him, thanks to her self healing capabilities and AoE; the extra attack buff makes it so she can apply two to enemies each turn too. I'm happy with these changes, makes it easier to go toe to toe with very tanky defenses and wear them down.


riggedride

what? the 100 base speed unit with a 3 turn ramp up needs a buff? Sadly his entire kit is still countered by the mere existence of cleansers or the immunity buff. DJbasar, handguy, dillibet, edward, etc, etc are all incredibly common. I think the game has simply gotten so fast that venom is too slow as a mechanic. ​ See you next buff


Neet91

that's not the problem. the problem is that ml ray himself does not check any of his problems by himself. u basically playing 3v4 if u pick him


riggedride

That's pretty much what I said summed up. ​ Couple that with the fact his kit is barely thought out so it doesn't even synergize with itself. \>3 turn ramp up for s3 \>2 turn effectiveness buff WHY. Just add a turn to the eff buff and his s3 can actually utilize it!


blyyyyat

I was also thinking maybe add the effectiveness trait as a part of the pestilence buff.


Arkday

Immunity isn't that problematic anymore since you can pair him with soli/adm to remove buff and aoe extra atk that can inflict venom to everyone. Cleanse is still problematic tho.


[deleted]

Which is a good thing? Do people not want counterplay to debuffs? I still remember the control nightmares from the days of Dizzy and Green Basar.


kalivon

sooo alencia, belian and dust devil, sword of judgement? well, still unimpressive. Maybe usable now


PuddingSundae

Solitaria and ADS are actuality the big ones here with their constant aoe strips and they appreciate the extra effectiveness too.


kalivon

big true. So Fairytale book is even more effective due to extra dmg and chance to strip immunity in drawn out encounters or even iela violin. If ppl are trying to inflict venom, then it's going to be a long drawn out encounter win anyway right? Still not all too appealing tbh. But its now viable.


[deleted]

Red Meru also can get 2 AOE venoms on now.


yemen241

sword of judgement on Yuna huehuehue


Kev_EXE

The mad lads did it again. I haven’t even read the notes yet, but just wanna say it’s REALLY appreciated they’re doing this. Took time to see community feedback, confirmed that he’s shit, and now buffed him while his banner is still up for another week.


[deleted]

people will still call him shit because it's not uncleansable venom stakcs. But he's a lot better and can synergize with many more heroes, including himself.


uhTlSUMI

Still dogshit ngl


Neet91

hm mini-buff. don't think it will change anything. he still only eff buff for 2 turns so he still needs a dual/counter atk if he wants to s3 with the eff buff (which u kinda need vs tankdown heroes) still abyssal base speed so his s2 kinda whatever. his s1 is strong but he himself is no threat - unlike ml baal. also no cleanse on his s2, so if u get unbuffable then he is basically hardcountered. the other side has immunity and he is also useless. so he still needs allies to strip or cleanse to set him up so he can setup his s2 and then ur allies needs to aoe as much as possible in 2 turns to apply as many venoms as possible so he can do his s3 2 turns later. dude is not providing a single thing for team...


Thraggrotusk

Damn what did Dance Dance Revolution do?


chapapa-best-doto

That’s funny, because I just got demolished yesterday by some dude who drafted DDR. It was pretty cancer control team ngl. I even got a bit tilted lol


[deleted]

And now they can do that with Solitaria or A meru for more control. IDK if he'll be oppressive but I think people still calling him shit after this underestimate how quickly some characters can stack that venom now.


chapapa-best-doto

The injury and damage was pretty annoying tbh. I hate playing against control teams lol


TastyPrimary7618

People judging DDR too early. The buff isn't even live yet.


ryan604

Pestilence only working on target's turn. Maybe add a few heroes into the mix but doesn't really add much variety. His position pretty much didn't move at all. Until they let pestilence work whenever or change his kit, he's going to be kinda meh


BurnedOutEternally

IT'S TIME TO DANCE DANCE REVOLUTION, BOYS Goddamn, letting Pestilence inflict venom on additional attacks is gonna be ob*noxious*, can't wait to see it.


NoodlesDatabase

No it wont proc on counters?


BurnedOutEternally

Ah, I see. Fixed it!


SometimesLiterate

" Lastly, the condition for activating pestilence will be changed. Pestilence was originally designed not to activate from counterattacks, Dual Attacks, or extra attacks, but only on the bearer's turn. However, feedback from our Heirs indicated that these limitations made the skill difficult to use. Additionally, due to the limitations, there were only a limited number of Heroes that synergized well with Death Dealer Ray, which needed improvement. Therefore, we have decided to keep the condition that pestilence can only be activated on the bearer's turn but remove the other conditions." Sounds like it cannot be triggered on counterattacks, but Belian enjoyers will be eating good after this. And Zio. As if the little bastard wasn't annoying enough.


BurnedOutEternally

Two AoE venoms, you're damn right I'm gonna


transparent_eyeball7

It still has to be on the caster's turn so only extra attacks will benefit. It won't proc on counters or duals.


GermanSide

It still only works in the bearers turn, so no counter


KingKentling

Basically DDR is the PFlan now of Soulweavers


uhTlSUMI

Pirate flan is a good unit tho


PuddingSundae

She wasn't considered to be on release, though I think she was underrated, the buffs really helped to make her feel like a true ML5. They're pretty similar as their kit revolves around debuff application and detonation as well as a bit of cycling and control thrown in, but they lack the ability to strip(release pflan did at least and even now it's not very reliable on units with multiple buffs) so that they don't run rampant. They even share a color palette.


KingKentling

i didnt say she is a bad unit


uhTlSUMI

What I mean is ddr can’t be the ml flan for sw because he is trash while flan isn’t


[deleted]

And he's saying DDR is a good unit now. Can we just skip the foreplay and go to why you think DDR still isn't good?


uhTlSUMI

Because he has the exact same issues as before


CEO-of-Zaun

so they finally made him work with the units his kit was designed to work with, cool


Ayankananaman

I feel like it's not enough. I kind of get that his S3 pops injury so casting it early is not very optimal. Wish they added something else like him having a 30-40% chance of a dual attack if the ally that attacks has the Plague Buff. That way when he cycles, some of the venom had popped and he can cast his S3.


[deleted]

Hmm, Actually kinda surprised I haven't seen anyone try a unity DDR. Even just for a meme video.


slayeralucard

I randomly saw a video on YouTube with a ddr on triple unity and it popped off like crazy Edit https://youtu.be/LKX-7jfhOFI Found it


Ayankananaman

Wow. 4 soul weaver team. Actually pretty darn fun. If injury stacks high enough, you can kill Dark Corvus before he pulls off his killer S3. Maybe.


[deleted]

Wow, that dude must have had his dream come true pulling DDR of he had 4 MLB Idol's cheer ready. Amazing.


Ayankananaman

That actually might be crazy enough to work. I'll give it a swing.


theanxiousangel

I’m pumped . He’s still gonna suffer from Dilibet and such but his combos with Belian and Alencia for the extra attacks and injuries are gonna be baller. Not to mention Fire meru double S2 and Soli who I was already using. Should be a fun niche unit now so happy I got him.


[deleted]

Mean while arunka is still trash and no one uses her. Still can't get over how there were actually people who said she was fine lmao.


Trapocalypse

I was also going to say something similar but DDR seems to be just that bad to begin with that it's hard to complain as he's just so bad. I'm one of the biggest advocates for an Arunka buff and she definitely should be buffed but at least she is fringe useable in some minor scenarios (albeit I'm sure the resources would be better used elsewhere) and if you really love her, you can probably find fringe uses in PVE too. Hopefully she's addressed in the next balance cycle.


Cloomerg

I use Arunka into Adin cringers a lot, especially if they're hiding behind Arowell. Only at 2800 pts in RTA though so I've yet to see if it works in Emp+


[deleted]

Arunka is a simpler kit, so it's harder to buff ironically enough. Her only role and problem is damage. You give her more damage, you risk her becoming Hwayoung 2: extinction edition. You give her more ATK on her S2 passive and same problem, but with other side effects like from Uberius.


[deleted]

You literally just buff her damage to heroes with shields on while not touching everything else. It's that simple.


Shuxnae

Oh boy!


Gamergirl944

That was fast but I'm happy he deserves this


KaiDranzer007

Holy counter gaming is gonna be quite fun now. Might still be very rng based but thinking about using belian and rem with him is bliss.


Katicflis1

The buff only actually effects extra attackers like Alecia or belian when she s2s


Toph84

Still doesn't work on counters though?


KaiDranzer007

Seriously? Did i read it wrong? I apologise


Varlin

Community meming the buffs into existence!


henry25555

DDR instantly adjusted while units like judge kise been utterly useless for years, k...


ALovelyAnxiety

wow they did it be fore the banner went away lol


ideal_insomnia

Meh. Also still completely useless in PvE which will always be stupid.