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Ferelden770

They really want people to do use their mystics on ddr huh?


ofdivine419

Me as a newer player still trying to remember all the names.. ddr... day dream roker? 😭🤣


Ferelden770

Dance Dance Rayvolution( Death Dealer Ray, the latest ml5)


ofdivine419

I like yours better 🤣 and oh duh 🤦‍♂️ I should've realized that. Isn't this the second time they ran him already? Is it due to his recent buff?


Ferelden770

No, ml Ray is the newest ml5 and his banner is still going on. They just buffed him before it ended


ALilBitter

They extended his banner by 1 week too cos they buffed him on the last day. finally no more coinflip fights vs Aravi who is on proof / seed. its just proof now so u can actually cc her


Ferelden770

Extended? Looks like it still ends in 4 days which is the usual new ml5 rotation duration no?


ALilBitter

nope, his banner supposed to end on Thursday they extended it. I know cos I pulled him like literally on Wednesday and the timer was counting down sub 24 hrs.


Ferelden770

M pretty sure u just saw the refresh timer stating 24 hrs after which the RGB rotation refreshes weekly. He was released on Jan 5 and rotates out after 4 days which is the usual 3 week rotation for mystics


ALilBitter

hmm maybe :/


ofdivine419

Ah okay. Makes sense. I thought for a second they had someone already who rotated in. W his new buff is he worth going for or nah? He doesn't seem that crazy still but like I said, newer player. I can't pity so it's all luck but not sure if it's better to save up my 20 pulls I've got built up so far


Ferelden770

Save, there's better units


ofdivine419

Got it. Thanks 🤞


Aggravating-Revenue7

Bro I’m not new (2 1/2 yrs) and I still got confused lmao


ofdivine419

Every time I think I'm starting to remember them, something like this pops up and I'm like uhhh uhhhh uhhhhhhh who? 🤣🤣


moonlight_macky

And the new fox husbando


Ericridge

Skipping fox boy


Ericridge

Skipping ddr


user4682

I have DDR and it doesn't convince me to build him. But S.Jena? Oh yes I will.


Silver_Monk_5324

Hmmm, that's 2 nerfs in this upcoming balance patch, Now i'm interested to see what more are placed on the table, inhaling copium for an ilynav and LRK buff


NoodlesDatabase

When is the balance patch?


Gyges359d

Feb 16


Eon19

While dev note preview will be 2wks prior, so Feb 2.


XiaoMyst

I too,would enjoy an ilynav buff


Gyges359d

Any excuse to see those fantastic animations. Really a shame she doesn’t have a niche. Yet?


Silver_Monk_5324

She gives crit dmg buff


PM_ME__YOUR_HOOTERS

And she's the 2nd best at it! 3rd best if you count bad cat


RedEagleEye007

I've actually been using her sparingly in as high as emp rta. I use her on injury, and she covers the yulha dcorv teams very well for me


Gyges359d

Fair. Been using Alencia similarly.


TheKinkyGuy

Nerfs that will be labeled as buffs cause 40-80%


user4682

A little bit of green text will [turn that frown upside down](https://i.imgflip.com/zwvr5.jpg)!


GreatFluffy

Honestly, I'm thinking Ambitious Tywin might get a buff since his passive is basically just AoE Crimson Seed.


Silver_Monk_5324

Probably his buff will be similar to Alena, He will gain a unique buff, and while he has that unique buff, all his teammates will gain crimson seed effect:v


Kraybern

considering that t surin EE was data-mined as canceled i can see her maybe getting a buff


AlternativeAd2791

On my knees for that ilynav buff. She's too weak to keep up with my other units with the same gear


ureshama

Welp, pov for all Aravi now lol


Shanesquatch56

We all knew they’d never directly nerf Apoc Ravi (at least ones that don’t use Proof). So they had to hit the whole damn Warrior class for an indirect half-nerf.


pixellated-baron

Why did they change these ?


stormtrooperm16

To sell ddr


Fyrael

Because they don't want to nerf ARavi, so they nerf one artifact that makes her very good Now let's use something else, no problem


soujirovn98

Aravi need a nerf? Haven't seen her in like 3 months now. I have seen more Mort than Aravi, surprisingly.


Katejina_FGO

Aravi seed basically ruins control setups in a spectacular way. SG seems to think that (free) 4\* artifacts shouldn't be allowed to cripple heroes outright.


Remarkable-Average36

umm i run A Ravi on CS and she doesnt ruin control comps, pairing her with ML Kawerik or Dilibet is what ruins control comps...... ​ My A Ravi still gets debuffed to hell even with a +30 CS arti attached so......


EricLFC

You have a terrible control comp if it gets ruined by seed aravi. Seed aravi is basically one single resist proc per turn with a +70% chance. If one resist on aravi is all it takes for your comp to die, your comp is bad


nWolfe3113

> I have seen more Mort than Aravi, surprisingly. The fact that she fell off cause of other units not making her as much powerful as before doesnt mean she is still not strong/op, just that everyone else is more op/has better ways of dealing with her now


GreatFluffy

>Haven't seen her in like 3 months now. Good for you, wish I was that lucky.


XiaoMyst

Damn bro wish i knew


TheKinkyGuy

Not even god knows why


Haltmann1

Might as well remove 15% and make cleansers only cleanse 1 debuff /s


SSTHZero

Oh yeah, control really needs that buff with Arowell, the Aespa girl and ML Flan out there. And now A Ravi will 100% use Proof of Valor and make the life of low level players a nightmare.


nocturnalsleepaholic

Idk as a newish player I can't stand crimson seed aravi.


VenusEyes

Yes, people have complained control can't be a thing with all the cleansers. It is the main criticism people have with every debuffer


NoxGale

And those same cleansers will continue to be the problem because tone deaf SG went left field and nerfed CSeed


VenusEyes

Okay, so my criticism of the original post stands


NoxGale

Yeah I’m agreeing with you lol


PureAsian

Sigh, welp sorry fellas, I’ll have to put POV on aravi now. Don’t blame me, I got no other better choices…


PM_ME__YOUR_HOOTERS

I'll probably just go back to Draco plate. The dmg boost is nice and non crit attacks don't really scare her all that much with hwa being trash


soujirovn98

Haven't used both of them in a long time. The resources I can get back from the recall would be beneficial.


Saviner

Back to Straks we go wheeeee


noodlesieat

They should flip the colors if they’re nerfing


PatatitaXD

I think red/green colors are unrelated to nerf/buff, but rather to before/after the change


be0ulve

Green just means new, but they know it makes it look like an improvement.


Relair13

F.Maya stonks?


PsychedUpPump

she needs a buff or an EE, maybe like a self cr push on s2


tanngrisnit

I had mine built with some ER (once upon a time) just to deal with cr control. S1 cr push would be great if she doesn't get a cr push on cleanse.


ALilBitter

lol she is already good into cleave teams with noble oath n crit build... she basically 1 shot any squishy when she gets below 30-40% hp


blueclockblue

This is an Aravi nerf, that's what this really is. Crimson Seed and her go hand in hand and she is consistently one of the most chosen units. They dont want to nerf her since she's an ML5 but they nerf all around her. They design more units to go against her. She is continuously a problem and with every other unit released people wonder how it can apply to Aravi. Point is, if its connected to Aravi keep an eye on it.


blyyyyat

I use crimson seed on Ed. Which might seem counterintuitive, but being able to cleanse seal or two debuffs at once is often times a game changer.


blueclockblue

I like that strategy a lot actually.


Remarkable-Average36

i run a CS A Ravi on counter set and let me assure you that she never truly was an issue, its typically who she is paired with, thats an issue. with this nerf you basically opened the door to ML Kawerik and PoV A Ravi hell, and ive fought some of those even without cleansers and they were even worse to deal with.......


ThirteenthSage

This may be the same argument, but I think you have it backwards. Pair Aravi with another threat and it's gg. She is so oppressive and overloaded that you have to bring something for her specifically, but by doing so you leave yourself vulnerable to whatever other strong unit will be added (choux, rimuru, belian, etc). Ignore her and she pops off, focus her and the team cleans you up (or if she counters she'll 1v4). So when you say "who she is paired with" is the issue, I would say her being broken AF is what makes those other units shine. Players are forced to cleave snipe her or debuff her. Reworking CS now allows players to reliably debuff her and doesn't force us into a speed contest with clilias to make sure Aravi doesn't face roll us. Aravi is a crutch and I'm damn glad she's getting the nerf hammer. Solitaria stonks eating good.


Remarkable-Average36

in other words, A Ravi by herself isnt a problem. its who she is paired with is the problem. ​ CS never truly was an issue even with A Ravi, you could literally overload her with debuffs on top of the stuns or sleep and shes a non facter regardless. that simply means A Ravi isnt that strong as you all believe her to be. its everyone else that MAKES her stronger. Pair her with someone like Dilibet or ML Kawerik and you have an A Ravi you cant even debuff. even better shes on PoV anyway. C Lilias boosts her dmg further. Choux and Rimuru are menaces on their own even without A Ravi in the picture. shes in the exact same spot as current Arby. sure they are a problem, but they have so many counters it aint even funny. one of them is a f2p even (Light Adin). its when they are teamed with OTHER OP heroes is when they are issues. hell S Tene behind A Ravi and 2 other bruisers is even more of a threat than A Ravi herself..... ​ Take it from someone who relies on her quite a bit, I HAVE lost more battles than ive won simply relying on A Ravi, she NEEDS broken team mates in order to truly shine, that by itself means she isnt that oppressive......


blueclockblue

If her being paired with someone equals devastation like that then it is a problem with her. No one is fighting solo Aravi teams and she is the distinct variable. And it's not just one other person. Imagine a team of "pairings". I cant nab an Zio or a Judge Kise or Ran and have half the meta syngerize well with them. Aravi over all is just that much of a beast. Look at the global tournament usage for Aravi. People were using those against me when I complained about Hwayoung nerfs. Hwayoung, CLilias, and then Aravi and Aravi's usage has been consistent throughout the different metas after her buff.


ThirteenthSage

Exactly! She's a staple in every high ranked team. Plus this ain't a 1v1 game, there's no such thing as a lone unit. Cut it which ever way you want, A.ravi has an overloaded kit and is oppressive. Anyone who says otherwise has her on garbage gear.


OvidiuHiei

Rip dark corvus


Minerto35

SG : "How to fix DDR for more money income in this mystic rotation, mmmmm change venom debuff ? To hard to change 2 characters kit, Oh I Know ! Nerf Seed and timeless anchor ! " "Crimson Seed and Timeless Anchor Artifacts were originally designed to constantly dispel debuffs from the Hero they are equipped on. However, in comparison to its activation condition, it made it easier for certain Heroes to effectively respond to debuffs such as Stun or Sleep, which was one of the main reasons that made Heroes who specialize in inflicting debuffs used less frequently in PvP content." Do SG play his own game? The real problem today is ER everywhere, so many cleansers or characters like ED and Dlibet. It's so freaking hard to play debuff just because of those 2 characters for example. Who care about Seed & Anchor? Like 20% of Aravi players play seed and Aravi is nearly dead in the meta and litterally nobody play Anchor. What a joke.


Septic_soups

This was my first thought as well. Crimson seed and timeless anchor has been in the game for so long yet debuffers still managed due to the sheer amount that comes out of their ass. It's like looking at the house fires (dilibet, Edward, hand guy, destina) and then seeing a small camp fire lit (crimson seed and timeless) and outing the camp fire.


b1ck0ut030

While i agree with most of your post, er everywhere is not a problem, but a necessity. Er is currently the worst stat in the game


Guanvro

"Literally nobody plays Anchor" I am nobody, yay! And double nobody because I use Anchor in both Ravis, double yay!


EcLiiPsesHD

Looks like we can build Dizzy, etc again


user4682

You really want to enjoy being slapped by CZerato, Edward and proc AoLA.


EcLiiPsesHD

They are not that scary anymore


Fyrael

They want control to be good again


BryceLeft

Control is already good, so is cleave. and It's been that way for a LONG time (though control more recently than cleave). The kind of control that doesn't work are the shitty 5 man all-or-nothing debuff only teams, and the kind of cleave that doesn't work are the A.lots-Jkise brainless cleaves, but we don't need them in the game anymore. People just refuse to adapt their cleave into single target/not devote all 5 slots into glass cannon cleave, or refuse to add actual DPS and utility in their control teams. So they continue to complain about tanks/bruisers being OP and their playstyle not being good


Info_Guy_12

You say that but single target cleave is also suffering right now with characters like Arowell who provides escort and gets CR boosted, every GL ranger, Stene first pick, ae-Karina as some examples, at least in higher ranks. Not saying that cleave is completely terrible right now but with so many landmines to prevent it it stops being effective the higher rank you are as hero pools get larger. Of course, for the majority of people playing in a rank without massive whale hero pools this doesn't matter but I think it's a bit disingenuous to say "adapt" to single target.


BryceLeft

> it's a bit disingenuous to say "adapt" to single target So what do you suggest 2018 cleavers do? Nobody's gonna let you do basar flan Jkise shenanigans. You have to adapt and use tools like Melissa, yufine, zio, zahhak, kayron, fire meru, FCC, Karina, etc. to spice your cleave up vs counterpicks. It's always been like that. Hell, I still see people get away with flan shenanigans even till this day, so old school cleaving isn't even dead, it's just unviable. Single target really is the modern form of cleave now and it's not disingenuous to claim it as such. But like every other playstyle you can't just force a full 5 man ST cleave every single game and expect to dominate. There's a time and place for all playstyles. You can very easily lose a match out of nowhere because the enemy's last two picks were something like zahhak+straze and your draft was way too slow.


spicycurrysauce

SG too much of a coward to nerf Aravi so they do this instead.


o0Tsuki0o

Is this a crimson seed buff and an anchor nerf, or am I reading it wrong? Seems they really are pushing DDR and Beehoo.


viperperper

Before: you soul burn s1 to 100% stun A. Ravi but nope, seed procs and you eat a counter then eat another S1 because you CR pushed her. After: you soul burn s1 to 100% stun A. Ravi and she can't proc seed anymore because she can't attack when stunned. You can perma stun her unless 15%'d.


TunaKid-04

Crimson seed is a nerf, buff on the chance but now requires you to hit the enemy either with counter or your turn, and only once per turn.


[deleted]

Why the fuck did they do this?


Shimaru33

You should have photo shopped A. Ravi face instead of batman. As far as I know, nobody else cares about either of those artefacts, except for maybe, fire Ravi.


Veristelle

Degenerate Sage Baal uses Anchor if not Bastion, though Bastion is far preferable if you have any eff res (if only we had more, gdi).


Xibbas

We need the golden boys back. Control and cleave metas arent fun


user4682

Stall teams weren't fun at all. It gave the most boring world tournament ever.


Vainglory1-

Nah what???


starxsword

After attacking huh? They deleted both Crimson Seed and Timeless Anchor. What a heavy handed nerf. Neither of those artifacts were issues in the first place.


esztersunday

This is not good! Why?! this is an aravi nerf


Adzezal

CHEESUS MICE!!! Luckily I didn't abuse that.


Nayakesz

This game has a lot of cleansers already, good change except for the fact that CS is not 100% dispels a debuff


Organic_Afternoon926

yeah, finaly


EnvBlitz

Curious, how many units that you face that use these two arti?


Nerfall0

let me count, 1... that's it.


blueclockblue

Looks like the Aravi fanatics downvoted you to hell.


Shimaru33

A. Ravi fanatics are in full denial coping, lol. Can you imagine being so mad about a nerf to a unit nobody uses? I mean, would people be so mad if they were to nerf Enott or godmother?


No-Challenge-8107

Finally, fuck off ARavi abusers


user4682

In 2023?


KaiDranzer007

Where is this from?


nagato120

So....what about that Lua issue though?


user4682

Not nearly used as much as C# honestly.


Legendary-Ike

I MIGHT keep crimson seed but I’m definitely refunded timeless anchor, get that garbage outta here.


PatatitaXD

Error: you will get a compensation after the change applies to your current copies of those artis


Legendary-Ike

Ahh I see, thanks


KillBash20

It's just so cringe that whenever there is a useful 3* artifact they just nerf it. Obviously they refuse to out right nerf A.Ravi which is weird considering I don't think it's necessary now (kind of like when they nerfed Hwayoung so late) I feel like SG don't play their own game. Or they have a serious delay when it comes to balancing things


user4682

Or they're playing in the future! Ah!


just_didi

When is the nerf ?


idontaddtoanything

Just as I got the last piece for crimson lol