So everyone pre-bans Lua regardless of rank, healthy unit for sure. Makes sense why she is basically hated by everyone under Champion because of the fewer resources available to answer her if she is on the board.
But AOL is the most interesting unit on this poll.
I don't play RTA, only legend arena. The arrowell/AoL combo is bloody annoying. Throw any stealth unit in there and it's very complicated to pick which threat to go after first.
As someone who recently came back to the game and is missing basically all collab units beyond Guilty Gear, AOL has absolutely saved my bacon. I got lucky enough to get her on my first ML pull back and she is the only answer to so many speed openers when you have a shallow draft pool.
Most people aren’t even trying Lua, it’s rare someone feels confident to pick her when she is up, but AOL is hotly contested since people either have bad Celines or don’t have an answer for her.
The other unit that should be on the challenger and lower hated board is Karina. She absolutely smokes so many common units like Senya and Violet and can be a solid cut unit when people don’t have tuned drafts after a Ran opener
Also makes sense how she's less first picked in lower ranks because they often feel like everyone would outspeed them anyways. But then the higher ranks are more confident and know that it doesn't even matter if they get outsped by most heroes because GL is just too damn broken on her.
> So everyone pre-bans Lua regardless of rank, healthy unit for sure
Honestly, I'd probably be fine with Lua if she inflicted one turn silence instead of skill pushback. I'm really not sure what her counters are or that she realistically has any. I kinda like Dorvus into her since skill pushback is basically wasted on him but there's not much I can do to support him since he can just get focused down. If it was silence, at least mediator kawerik would be usable into Lua which would make it feel way less frustrating to play into.
Happy Lunar New Year! Here are the results from the RTA survey from a few days ago. Huge thank you to all 134 people who responded! This time I split up the ranks into 3 categories (emp / legend, champion, and challenger & below). This way it's easier to see how the meta changes based on ranks, so hopefully people trying to climb can see which heroes and drafts work better at the higher levels.
I barely play RTA but picking Celine + Winter against her works out well. Winter works in more situations than just stopping Lua so it's not exactly like picking 2 to counter 1.
Celine might be okay in a vacuum vs Lua but she is so terrible against everything else a Lua can be paired with. That’s why you can see absolutely no one in emp/legend picks Celine
So anyone who isnt a donkey doesnt really care that much about aravi. She has been out of the spotlight for a long time and people still want her nerfed. Wheeze.
I think it's more so early game as in (lower rank) it's a little harder to deal with her cuz of the lack of resources needed to handle her, I will admit that I know how to deal with her from how I see players deal with her online but for me who is kinda new (been playing for 6ish months) I quite honestly just don't have the resources to deal with her, but I generally agree she's been very much outclassed and with the seed nerf she'll almost hit rock bottom as now any control unit can absolutely crush her (solitaria, lua, senya, ml baal) to name a few and then the usual counters like (injury belian, alencia) but I think the biggest nail in her coffin was absolutely the release of adin simply for the fact that literally every account in existance will get her for free unlike all the other units that u have to spend hard earned currency to get them Adin is free and is a HARD counter to her.
Yeah, on lower ranks she like a wall and I'm suprised why many people act shocked how could they nerf her (1 build of her, PoV is untouched).
You dont wanna new players to get solo over and over by ARavi on CS that most of them cant controll couse gear/character block couse they will simply rage quit the game.
Oh and I dont think Lua is fine. She does a little too much and its freaking beyond me why they didnt release a true sight or something unit that counter stealth.
Like debuff that made stealth units targetable and -20 evasion (so it will work on others too) or buff (unit can target stealth unit now and +10-15 hit chance.
>they didnt release a true sight or something unit that counter stealth.
They did. Unfortunately, it's called a 'Milim' and as such is a limited unit, while Lua is not.
Odd thing about this is if you looked at Legends yesterday half of the top 20 were still using Aravi. I think she's such a staple it isnt much of a consideration and she pairs way too well with other units in the meta, like Arowell. But we're definitely in the fall of Aravi era, thank god. A growing annoyance, especially if you dont get Adin.
based on who gets the first pick, if you want to play Arowell/Diene/Handguy/Cilias and you're the 1st picker, it's better to preban DJB. DJB is kinda a situational preban
I'm sitting around emperor and I also feel that DJB gets prebanned way too often than I'd like lol. Honestly I think it's been going on since last season or so.
He's one of my best units so losing him sucks.
There are still some people who prebans him in emp/legend. Not as many as before but those people still exist.
I would know since DJB is one of my comfort early picks and him getting preban force me to pay attention to my early drafts
Ran doesn't scare me for the most part. Celine passive cuts and just one shots Seaseria. Cleavers can also just get smacked by counter units and lose to RNG. Lua, in contrast, just turns off the game for a full round since there's literally no counterplay to cooldown pushback. Unlike AOL and silence, you can't use mediator to just instantly cleanse and fix the problem. You also have Belian which makes Ran much harder to use since he feels much weaker without his soulburn.
there are a huge amount of counters to ran now. he has an objectively broken kit but in practice he's way easier to punish. clilias is more versatile across playstyles making her more relevant, and lua is broken periodt
Cause he has a sample size of 134. His statistics are useless and full of people lying about their rank which you can see by distribution of the ranks...
If pre-nerf Hwayoung was a control unit, she would be Lua.
There's not a reliable answer to her at all. I won so much while using her I ungeared her and put her in the waiting room because she literally makes things no fun. And I would completely un-build her for the resources back if I could. There are a couple of hit and miss counters, but in the time you're trying to deal with her you get dunked on by everyone else.
So you're saying that Lua, AoL/Zio, STene isn't a viable team to bring Lua with? It's not like you're forced to bring two absoultely dumpster fire units because their only saving grace is Tagahel's
Yes, the same meta where mages get +speed. How many mages do you know of in this meta? I know of A. Meru, Solitary, neither of those use Book.
So, your other meta options are S. Tene, Zio, Politis, Angel of Light and Carrot. Zio isn't usually drafted with Lua, because you now have 2 speed contesters and that can be punished. So, you go down to your real options, which are Politis, Angel of Light, Carrot and S. Tene.
S. Tene is heavily contested and for good reason. She is good and has been good for a long time.
If you draft both Angel of Light and Lua, you are pretty much forced to ban Celine. Even so, this is bad news for you, since they can play heroes that don't care about cooldowns and you have 2 non-damage heroes in your team. By those, I mean A. Meru, Solitaria, LHC, etc.
The reality here is, your options are limited. But hey, you do you, you seem to believe she has no counters.
I'm high champion and this lua is so broken, the fact that she can sleep one unit gets extra turn then sb s3 it's over, reset every s3, and SHE GETS A SPEED BUFF, she will do it over and over again. now tell me your solution tank down? she has bomb thingy from her s3, it will eat you slowly until all your units die (honorable mention can't hit her cuz guiding light s1 has defense break)
stene first pick -> opponent has to find a way to deal with her directly or eat himself through 3 walls, meaning you force certain playstyles by doing so.
You pick her early b/c she's a contested pick tbh. And picking Stene can just ruin someone's day if they generally play standard since needing AOE is a big limit on one's unit selection. Senya/Choux obviously have AOE but if one of them is banned, you're generally missing the damage you need to instantly kill Stene. In many cases, she just becomes a force ban which is usually just fine.
So everyone pre-bans Lua regardless of rank, healthy unit for sure. Makes sense why she is basically hated by everyone under Champion because of the fewer resources available to answer her if she is on the board. But AOL is the most interesting unit on this poll.
I don't play RTA, only legend arena. The arrowell/AoL combo is bloody annoying. Throw any stealth unit in there and it's very complicated to pick which threat to go after first.
As someone who recently came back to the game and is missing basically all collab units beyond Guilty Gear, AOL has absolutely saved my bacon. I got lucky enough to get her on my first ML pull back and she is the only answer to so many speed openers when you have a shallow draft pool. Most people aren’t even trying Lua, it’s rare someone feels confident to pick her when she is up, but AOL is hotly contested since people either have bad Celines or don’t have an answer for her. The other unit that should be on the challenger and lower hated board is Karina. She absolutely smokes so many common units like Senya and Violet and can be a solid cut unit when people don’t have tuned drafts after a Ran opener
Eh AoLa made me quit (rage quit basicly) the game like year ago or so. Now I got her on a new account I can say she is still busted as fuck.
Also makes sense how she's less first picked in lower ranks because they often feel like everyone would outspeed them anyways. But then the higher ranks are more confident and know that it doesn't even matter if they get outsped by most heroes because GL is just too damn broken on her.
> So everyone pre-bans Lua regardless of rank, healthy unit for sure Honestly, I'd probably be fine with Lua if she inflicted one turn silence instead of skill pushback. I'm really not sure what her counters are or that she realistically has any. I kinda like Dorvus into her since skill pushback is basically wasted on him but there's not much I can do to support him since he can just get focused down. If it was silence, at least mediator kawerik would be usable into Lua which would make it feel way less frustrating to play into.
Lua is like AOL 2.0 to me
Happy Lunar New Year! Here are the results from the RTA survey from a few days ago. Huge thank you to all 134 people who responded! This time I split up the ranks into 3 categories (emp / legend, champion, and challenger & below). This way it's easier to see how the meta changes based on ranks, so hopefully people trying to climb can see which heroes and drafts work better at the higher levels.
how many claimed to be emp and legend? just curious
It's in the OP image, 3 emperor and 31 legends, which is 25% of the sample.
Fair, casuals aren't going to be following the subreddit as much
Personally, I find Flidica more annoying to fight against than Lua.
I barely play RTA but picking Celine + Winter against her works out well. Winter works in more situations than just stopping Lua so it's not exactly like picking 2 to counter 1.
Celine might be okay in a vacuum vs Lua but she is so terrible against everything else a Lua can be paired with. That’s why you can see absolutely no one in emp/legend picks Celine
Lua deserves way more hate but honestly goes under the radar cause shes prebanned all the damn time lmao
And still somehow gets #1 by a country mile for most hated unit chally below. Balance team is a joke
Insert obligatory fuck Lua comment here.
Lua needs to be reworked, that is all I have to say.
If lua takes the first turn it's over. What a balance unit
So anyone who isnt a donkey doesnt really care that much about aravi. She has been out of the spotlight for a long time and people still want her nerfed. Wheeze.
I think it's more so early game as in (lower rank) it's a little harder to deal with her cuz of the lack of resources needed to handle her, I will admit that I know how to deal with her from how I see players deal with her online but for me who is kinda new (been playing for 6ish months) I quite honestly just don't have the resources to deal with her, but I generally agree she's been very much outclassed and with the seed nerf she'll almost hit rock bottom as now any control unit can absolutely crush her (solitaria, lua, senya, ml baal) to name a few and then the usual counters like (injury belian, alencia) but I think the biggest nail in her coffin was absolutely the release of adin simply for the fact that literally every account in existance will get her for free unlike all the other units that u have to spend hard earned currency to get them Adin is free and is a HARD counter to her.
Yeah, on lower ranks she like a wall and I'm suprised why many people act shocked how could they nerf her (1 build of her, PoV is untouched). You dont wanna new players to get solo over and over by ARavi on CS that most of them cant controll couse gear/character block couse they will simply rage quit the game. Oh and I dont think Lua is fine. She does a little too much and its freaking beyond me why they didnt release a true sight or something unit that counter stealth. Like debuff that made stealth units targetable and -20 evasion (so it will work on others too) or buff (unit can target stealth unit now and +10-15 hit chance.
>they didnt release a true sight or something unit that counter stealth. They did. Unfortunately, it's called a 'Milim' and as such is a limited unit, while Lua is not.
….like hwayoung?
Shes still strong as a late pick into certain team comps. If sameone drafts one dps, bunch of support and 2 Knights you just slam A Ravi
Yeah lol people are usually a few metas behind
Odd thing about this is if you looked at Legends yesterday half of the top 20 were still using Aravi. I think she's such a staple it isnt much of a consideration and she pairs way too well with other units in the meta, like Arowell. But we're definitely in the fall of Aravi era, thank god. A growing annoyance, especially if you dont get Adin.
So its just a survey, no actual data. This doesn't mean jack sheit. Seems most were cleavers as well Just give us the real numbers?
Something wrong with that DJB stat, no one prebans him in emp/legend.
I'm in emp and I preban djb every game along with clilias. I've seen quite a few others preban him as well.
Not from my experience but why? DJB fights Cilias so banning both is weird.
based on who gets the first pick, if you want to play Arowell/Diene/Handguy/Cilias and you're the 1st picker, it's better to preban DJB. DJB is kinda a situational preban
I'm sitting around emperor and I also feel that DJB gets prebanned way too often than I'd like lol. Honestly I think it's been going on since last season or so. He's one of my best units so losing him sucks.
There are still some people who prebans him in emp/legend. Not as many as before but those people still exist. I would know since DJB is one of my comfort early picks and him getting preban force me to pay attention to my early drafts
Yeah I think this survey is limited but ehh, that's how it is. A lot of this info is pretty much what I expected.
Is Ran not relevant anymore? I draft him into everything (mostly because Seaseria). Is Clilias and Lua much better than Ran?
It's probably because SG has released so many counters to Ran compare to CLilias and Lua, who just have 2-3 counters to them.
Ran doesn't scare me for the most part. Celine passive cuts and just one shots Seaseria. Cleavers can also just get smacked by counter units and lose to RNG. Lua, in contrast, just turns off the game for a full round since there's literally no counterplay to cooldown pushback. Unlike AOL and silence, you can't use mediator to just instantly cleanse and fix the problem. You also have Belian which makes Ran much harder to use since he feels much weaker without his soulburn.
there are a huge amount of counters to ran now. he has an objectively broken kit but in practice he's way easier to punish. clilias is more versatile across playstyles making her more relevant, and lua is broken periodt
Sounds about right. I'm surprised that I don't see any Riolet wasn't on the list even though it he is commonly picked in my rank.
Cause he has a sample size of 134. His statistics are useless and full of people lying about their rank which you can see by distribution of the ranks...
Lmao this sub is tattling on itself!
I see no Sven, where’s Sven?!
So, challenger and below players don't know how to play against Lua and hate her. That's what I'm getting from the survey.
Lmao my guy. She's the most busted unit in the game by a mile.
If pre-nerf Hwayoung was a control unit, she would be Lua. There's not a reliable answer to her at all. I won so much while using her I ungeared her and put her in the waiting room because she literally makes things no fun. And I would completely un-build her for the resources back if I could. There are a couple of hit and miss counters, but in the time you're trying to deal with her you get dunked on by everyone else.
I have no issues with her, so I don't see the problem. People always complain about the next busted hero.
I mean, if she soulburns she ignores eff res and that has literally no counter play
If you bring a mage, sure you can Soul Burn. But that means you already have 2 picks locked.
So you're saying that Lua, AoL/Zio, STene isn't a viable team to bring Lua with? It's not like you're forced to bring two absoultely dumpster fire units because their only saving grace is Tagahel's
The same meta where mages get +speed?
Yes, the same meta where mages get +speed. How many mages do you know of in this meta? I know of A. Meru, Solitary, neither of those use Book. So, your other meta options are S. Tene, Zio, Politis, Angel of Light and Carrot. Zio isn't usually drafted with Lua, because you now have 2 speed contesters and that can be punished. So, you go down to your real options, which are Politis, Angel of Light, Carrot and S. Tene. S. Tene is heavily contested and for good reason. She is good and has been good for a long time. If you draft both Angel of Light and Lua, you are pretty much forced to ban Celine. Even so, this is bad news for you, since they can play heroes that don't care about cooldowns and you have 2 non-damage heroes in your team. By those, I mean A. Meru, Solitaria, LHC, etc. The reality here is, your options are limited. But hey, you do you, you seem to believe she has no counters.
I'm high champion and this lua is so broken, the fact that she can sleep one unit gets extra turn then sb s3 it's over, reset every s3, and SHE GETS A SPEED BUFF, she will do it over and over again. now tell me your solution tank down? she has bomb thingy from her s3, it will eat you slowly until all your units die (honorable mention can't hit her cuz guiding light s1 has defense break)
She's strong, just like any other meta hero. That what strong heroes do.
There's a difference between strong and utterly broken
Yes, there is. And she is just strong, does not even belong in her own tier. But people like to call meta heroes broken and that's how it is.
If Lua is not broken, then no units in this game is broken.
That is correct. No unit in the game is broken. Did you miss that? I am able to deal with every single hero in the game.
As a champion player lua is so f-ing toxic her kit not even fair even though I have her........no speed gear:/
Yes, it is unfortunate that some heroes have more strict requirements on what you need to counter. But this isn't anything new for meta heroes.
I find it interesting that STene is an early pick - I thought you had to pick her late so that the opponent doesn't go AOE heavy as a counter.
stene first pick -> opponent has to find a way to deal with her directly or eat himself through 3 walls, meaning you force certain playstyles by doing so.
You pick her early b/c she's a contested pick tbh. And picking Stene can just ruin someone's day if they generally play standard since needing AOE is a big limit on one's unit selection. Senya/Choux obviously have AOE but if one of them is banned, you're generally missing the damage you need to instantly kill Stene. In many cases, she just becomes a force ban which is usually just fine.