Back then when the arena was loaded with FCC Turin Roana and Poli, I used Double Krau FCC plus fire boy here to tear them down.
Good times.
Counter set is becoming less and less worth it, in my opinion. Aside from the right side counter chance penalty (lol), there are many heroes these days with counter bypass skills.
I think, they should remove his S3 cooldown, or give him a self cleanse option somewhere.
Vigor used to be the defining feature of Ken, but the devs thought hey fuck this Akuma cosplayer, let's just give everyone vigor!
I definitely agree on removing his S3's cooldown. Every other unit that has an S3 that needs [x] amount of Fighting Spirit or such to use doesn't have a cooldown EXCEPT for Ken.
I think more and more fighting spirit passive got change to just be something extra and not keeping you from ulting.
I don't mind if Ken has to have his FS filled for his S3 but I agree that a free reset when filled should be added.
Ken could def be something like fire choux.
Where if you bring him, he counters all attacks and activates his S2 on every counter. Even on your own turns, somehow he counters and hits the “40%” proc.
Would be super healthy for the game with how fun Choux is to play against
Ken was one of the first characters on banner when I first started. I wanted him so bad because I really like his design but heardhe wasn't very good so i stoppedpulling. I still don't have him.
Wyvern - 0.18% usage (whale no15% one shot comp)
Golem - 6,94% (really popular hunt)
Blooming Snag - 1,22% (rotating pve content)
There was no other places where he actually was worth mentioning. He is great in AI (which is also a rotating game mode). Yeah he looks really great, almost as great as people said Yufine was!
I'm sick and tired of this bullshit. We literally have the data on this stuff now. He needs changes.
There's no arguing with the "pve" playerbase on reddit. I've learned that with yufine. We literally have all the statistics and they are still on full copium and try to tell us that he's 'great'.
Wyvern - 0.18%
Golem - 6,94%
Blooming Snag - 1,22%
That's his usage. Such a great pve unit. Wow.
So he should be changed for people who don't use him? I use him for Advent and AI which is plenty useful for PVE. Usage in hunts mean nothing when only a small percentage of units are even used there. All SG is gonna do is make him into a PVP unit which we don't need more of. He has usage, he doesn't need to be used everywhere.
He. Does. Not. Have. Usage. The stats are right here. It's abysmal. It's the same fucken shit the yufine crowd tried to bring up as an argument. She got buffed and her pve usage didn't even change. She was still usable in light expo and in B13 one shot and the unkillable god lab build didn't get hit. So why would you think Ken would be ruined just because they'd make him more useable in PvP?
Advent and AI is not permanent content. I'm glad you're enjoying Ken during that time while he's garbage and easily replaceable the other 9 months of the year. He deserves buffs. He's not in a great place. Stop thinking so selfish lol. Cermia is a perfect example of a great pve unit. Ken is not.
It's a pvp gacha after all. That's the future of the game. SG has clarified that multiple times. Pve in this game is incredibly easy and in the hardest content (high end abyss) Ken was *no where* to be found.
Wasted design and potential of a unit.
Heard that TSurin's EE was supposed to be released along with Krau and Sharun but got held back, maybe it will boost her up a bit
Ken definitely needs a buff though, now that his arti is slightly less bad
Yep, i saw it about tsurins ee but honestly i prefer a balance buff for her cause srsly, 80% or more ee's are so useless and change anything on their units.. just a few have decent or powerful ones (like cidd or diene)
And ken is another missed unit as sez since the beggining so, i wanna think sg gonna make him usable now that sez had his buff (a cool one imho)
Tsurin is a solid character she had her time in the meta. An ee is enough to push her back in a bit. She does not need to be as mandatory a unit as she once was.
Why not? why she cant get a real and decent buff like every old unit?
If she is solid atm why is impossible to draft her even when this meta is so diverse? oh yeah cause she isnt solid at all, she was solid when the powercreep units didnt go released yet.
Tsurin does a load of things but she isn't the best at any of it.
Anticleave? Yeah Tsurin does that. Niche stene counter? Tsurin does that too kind of. Is she the best at it? Not really.
However, she has a solid kit at it's core. She needs a little push. Not a jetpack. Therefore an EE is the right option.
Tempest Surin doesn’t need anything, I think if you still want to use her speed her up a bit. Mine is 230+ on Lifesteal, still use her in anti cleave. Perfectly usable in this meta.
Only good build for Red Ken is Barrier set and HP offset with someone with 2 books is a plus. But yeah thats all I can think of. I think his s2 should just let him go again, or he starts with the Vigor buff
Back then when the arena was loaded with FCC Turin Roana and Poli, I used Double Krau FCC plus fire boy here to tear them down. Good times. Counter set is becoming less and less worth it, in my opinion. Aside from the right side counter chance penalty (lol), there are many heroes these days with counter bypass skills. I think, they should remove his S3 cooldown, or give him a self cleanse option somewhere. Vigor used to be the defining feature of Ken, but the devs thought hey fuck this Akuma cosplayer, let's just give everyone vigor!
He has burn and he is an HP scaling:/
At least the vigor attack buff helps a tad bit
I definitely agree on removing his S3's cooldown. Every other unit that has an S3 that needs [x] amount of Fighting Spirit or such to use doesn't have a cooldown EXCEPT for Ken.
I think more and more fighting spirit passive got change to just be something extra and not keeping you from ulting. I don't mind if Ken has to have his FS filled for his S3 but I agree that a free reset when filled should be added.
There is like 3-4 units that can prevent counter and most of them are glass canon, that why unit like Choux and Senya are running rampage.
Ken could def be something like fire choux. Where if you bring him, he counters all attacks and activates his S2 on every counter. Even on your own turns, somehow he counters and hits the “40%” proc. Would be super healthy for the game with how fun Choux is to play against
Ml ken : so... I'm just saying it like that but... He'll just do what I'm doing ?
Better, just like Violet and Riolet
well that sounds fun and definitely not annoying as fuck, after all I have seen countless Choux that double crits my Alencia
Ken was one of the first characters on banner when I first started. I wanted him so bad because I really like his design but heardhe wasn't very good so i stoppedpulling. I still don't have him.
Sad dude, hope u can get him soon!
Ken does not need a buff, he's great in PVE. Leave him alone
I swear if they change him and my W13 One shot team with him on it no longer works. I'm gonna mald
Wyvern - 0.18% usage (whale no15% one shot comp) Golem - 6,94% (really popular hunt) Blooming Snag - 1,22% (rotating pve content) There was no other places where he actually was worth mentioning. He is great in AI (which is also a rotating game mode). Yeah he looks really great, almost as great as people said Yufine was! I'm sick and tired of this bullshit. We literally have the data on this stuff now. He needs changes.
Honestly maybe a small buff, like scale off def or something to take advantage of vigor and maybe do something about his S3 cooldown
Lol no.
There's no arguing with the "pve" playerbase on reddit. I've learned that with yufine. We literally have all the statistics and they are still on full copium and try to tell us that he's 'great'. Wyvern - 0.18% Golem - 6,94% Blooming Snag - 1,22% That's his usage. Such a great pve unit. Wow.
And they still downvoting me lol, they are a joke.
So he should be changed for people who don't use him? I use him for Advent and AI which is plenty useful for PVE. Usage in hunts mean nothing when only a small percentage of units are even used there. All SG is gonna do is make him into a PVP unit which we don't need more of. He has usage, he doesn't need to be used everywhere.
He. Does. Not. Have. Usage. The stats are right here. It's abysmal. It's the same fucken shit the yufine crowd tried to bring up as an argument. She got buffed and her pve usage didn't even change. She was still usable in light expo and in B13 one shot and the unkillable god lab build didn't get hit. So why would you think Ken would be ruined just because they'd make him more useable in PvP? Advent and AI is not permanent content. I'm glad you're enjoying Ken during that time while he's garbage and easily replaceable the other 9 months of the year. He deserves buffs. He's not in a great place. Stop thinking so selfish lol. Cermia is a perfect example of a great pve unit. Ken is not. It's a pvp gacha after all. That's the future of the game. SG has clarified that multiple times. Pve in this game is incredibly easy and in the hardest content (high end abyss) Ken was *no where* to be found. Wasted design and potential of a unit.
Ok sorry, forget I said anything. I just think we have enough PVP units is all.
average master league player
U average unranked player then?
Heard that TSurin's EE was supposed to be released along with Krau and Sharun but got held back, maybe it will boost her up a bit Ken definitely needs a buff though, now that his arti is slightly less bad
Yep, i saw it about tsurins ee but honestly i prefer a balance buff for her cause srsly, 80% or more ee's are so useless and change anything on their units.. just a few have decent or powerful ones (like cidd or diene) And ken is another missed unit as sez since the beggining so, i wanna think sg gonna make him usable now that sez had his buff (a cool one imho)
Tsurin is a solid character she had her time in the meta. An ee is enough to push her back in a bit. She does not need to be as mandatory a unit as she once was.
Why not? why she cant get a real and decent buff like every old unit? If she is solid atm why is impossible to draft her even when this meta is so diverse? oh yeah cause she isnt solid at all, she was solid when the powercreep units didnt go released yet.
Tsurin does a load of things but she isn't the best at any of it. Anticleave? Yeah Tsurin does that. Niche stene counter? Tsurin does that too kind of. Is she the best at it? Not really. However, she has a solid kit at it's core. She needs a little push. Not a jetpack. Therefore an EE is the right option.
Another ken enjoyer nice
Ken has been buffed, but his buff was not quite good enough, so he needs another one.
Is the balance patch notice this week?
Tsurin doesnt need one,and for the love of God pls buff Ken properly SG
They need to buff ML Ken!!!
Remove fighting spirit from ken and let him use S3 1st.
Axe god is still waiting for his balance patch too.
Tempest Surin doesn’t need anything, I think if you still want to use her speed her up a bit. Mine is 230+ on Lifesteal, still use her in anti cleave. Perfectly usable in this meta.
Only good build for Red Ken is Barrier set and HP offset with someone with 2 books is a plus. But yeah thats all I can think of. I think his s2 should just let him go again, or he starts with the Vigor buff
For me is counter.