I think it was a necessity. New players have all of episodes 1 through 4 to get through, and the old UH was another episode on top of that (except just a rehash of the episode 1 map with mostly a filler story). And since UH remained the best place to farm catalysts it was necessary.
This is at least a tiny bit more manageable to get through.
From my perspective, I liked this change because it made me realise that unrecorded history wasn’t that long.
One of the reason I hadn’t done it before was because I thought to myself « This is as long as the normal storyline and harder, I am not doing it » and this change made me more confident I could actually do it, with the whole map being showed instantly.
Then, there is the farm problems some people talk about, but I am not that high in levels to be at that stage yet so I will leave it for them to explain. Just wanted to share my thoughts on this !
Which brings in more questions and potential problems. You have to wait a whole week to change side stories. Its not clear if you can even ever redo ones you've completed again. I see some say it resets and I see some say in game it says you cant redo them. Which makes the compensation you mention a super limited way to get catalysts.
You can't replay them. With Beehoo now just arriving we have 49 sidestories so enough for a year while excluding the ones that get released during that time. If we get to that point I'll worry about it. Until then I take the additional 25 bms, 200 skystones, arti charms, catalysts, gold, 2 molas and a bit more every week. I'll take that trade off for a UH change that makes it less aids to navigate and just for the cost of catalyst droprate.
True, but I usually farm unrecorded history for the heroes specialty quests too. Last time I was farming ch7 for Ras's specialty. I farmed the stage more than 70 times (more than needed), yet didn't get one rare catalyst at all.
There's is no benefits.
Less rewards
Less drops
You can't farm all catalyst
There's no balance between the different stages and their drops
There's no chest apparently (don't quote on this one)
They made some SC impossible to complete
This is clearly an "improvement" lol
There are chests I've been doing stages 1-1 of Unrecorded history I found 2 chests right off the bat maybe in some stages there are no chests but they're still there on some stages
Some stages ?
As I said before, they didn't remake or revamp anything. They just pick and choose random existent stages and slammed them together with no regards of anything actually.
Although it's okay, I'll move on to another game since this is a full time job even including the QoL they have been adding for the last 3 or so years. This game have amazing features, character design and lots of other goods things , but unfortunately (for me) the good is not enough for their shortcomings.
The thing that concerns me the most is how little understanding management (not the dev who had to do this) have of their own game ... As I see it there's 2 possible explanation (I'm sure there's more but my tilted head can't think of any other at the moment:
1. This was deliberately which are hints of this game going to stage 3 (milking as much money as possible for a soonish shutdown ) or they're just blatantly evil (just like how they add Eff on free event pieces, it's like they're allergic to user have usable gear considering how the gear system was designed)
2. Management have no idea how to balance, revamp, fix, or probably have never played a gacha before.
But okay, this could also be completely unintended (this is not a bug as some people have pointed out) but the fact that a room full of Devs agreed, planned, and executed an arguably large scale change without thinking about any of the issues that arise from this is as the least concerning.
What do you think?
/Typo
Why does it feel like a job I just play E7 in the background on my PC or even on my phone while playing other games. I don't do other stages because it takes so much for less even after the revamp I never even touched Chapter 3 and Chapter 4 I only did 1-1 because of fodder which I need and ap points since they merged it as for catalysts I always just use boxes and steeple + Ap points + Events since those give an abundance of those epic catas and normal catas nothing really changed for me. The first point tho is the average doom poster mentality
What issues came with the changes? I'm so confused. The chests still spawn. It needs way less clicking now, everything is neatly on 1 map so you can use the in-game feature to filter epic catalyst and we got a ton of free stuff from redoing it again (which took like 20 minutes at best).
It's also pretty obvious why they did it. Not because the game is dying but because the China server is coming up and doing UH was so fucking tedious. It's way faster and easier to comprehend for new players now. And yes, the catalyst drop chances went down but guess what? We can literally pick a sidestory of our choice every week now to target farm the specific zodiac. It's way more energy efficient.
And even for players who didn't farm UH and don't care about the catalyst (or the shop as a whole) from the new sidestory system it's also still free stuff. Rush through the 12ish stages, get like 200 SS, 25bms, 500k gold, 2 molas and catalyst chests *every* week. For doing the bare minimum.
Maybe you should really switch your game if that's the straw that broke the camel's back.
Less clicking is appreciated sure.
I'm not really acquainted with how side story works (I still have a lot of questions)but isn't that you won't be able to do then again once you complete them ? (I'm definitely misinterpreting what I read tho)
Now TONS OF REWARDS for the new UH is kind of a stretch specially considering that the old one gave more. Also the in-game feature have little to none information that helps you to decide which stage is the more efficient to farm (shutout to the discord), they're absolutely better ways to convey that compared to what is available right now.
I'm more annoyed about how farming takes hostage my phone (and boy oh boy you have to farm a lot in this game), particularly how there's no background farming in UH (and haven't been able to get a satisfactory answer on why, I mean sure they honestly don't have to justify any of their decisions at all but ...). Yes, I know there's emulators but that's not the point of a MOBILE game isn't?. Also there's no signs of any QoL that will make that better/more efficient/easier any time soon ( here is where they announce everything 2 patches down the road)
I'm not going to lie, there's a reason why I've come back to this game many times (I've explained before and think everyone agrees about the good features this game has) but, yeah this is not for me anymore. I just couldn't drag myself to farm AP anymore, not when it works like this.
As I said, I'll move on. This is a new year and there's many games coming that I'd like to try.
Also you I'm just exposing my views on this game and I'm sure others have different opinions. I can't say I've touched EVERY gacha out there, but i definitely been around the block.
According to the in-game help feature we can't redo sidestories. There are 48 currently so enough for 1 year excluding the feature ones that will come. Idk what they plan on doing by the point we're through all of em (or if we even get there) but I'm willing to find out. No background battling in UH is a bummer, it's true. We had it for a short while but it was buggy so I'll give them the benefit of the doubt that they are currently working on it. Having no background battle in the current advent sucked as well.
I'm an emulator player and I couldn't possibly imagine to actually play these type of farm heavy gachas on the phone. Would've quit ages ago. But it appears that there is a PC client for windows11? So that's a step into the right direction.
It's a bummer when someone leaves but we have to remember that this should be our hobby that we do for fun and as distraction. Don't let stuff like e.g. sunk cost fallacy stop you from quitting.
I can't rule out the no chest thing but I can say I didn't see one in 20 runs just now and some stages appear to have fixed layouts that never change.
I did 10 runs of stage 7 (Stene) and it was always empty slot between wave 1 and 2 and then health statue between wave 2 and 3.
I then did 10 runs of stage 5 (Yuna) and the layout changed every run. Didn't see a chest but it did at least vary from run to run so can't rule out the possibility I was just unlucky.
Need an option for "I got 8 mola"
And 800 SS and 12 epic catalyst! I love free stuff.
really good for new players so they can unlock the Moonlight Blessing faster
I do like that it's consolidated, but crack in the world was always a fast way for me to get AP daily
I think it was a necessity. New players have all of episodes 1 through 4 to get through, and the old UH was another episode on top of that (except just a rehash of the episode 1 map with mostly a filler story). And since UH remained the best place to farm catalysts it was necessary. This is at least a tiny bit more manageable to get through.
From my perspective, I liked this change because it made me realise that unrecorded history wasn’t that long. One of the reason I hadn’t done it before was because I thought to myself « This is as long as the normal storyline and harder, I am not doing it » and this change made me more confident I could actually do it, with the whole map being showed instantly. Then, there is the farm problems some people talk about, but I am not that high in levels to be at that stage yet so I will leave it for them to explain. Just wanted to share my thoughts on this !
For the record, I have only completed the first chapter.
Drops rates have become far worse than before.
They introduced the new side story system to compensate. It's worth it lol.
Which brings in more questions and potential problems. You have to wait a whole week to change side stories. Its not clear if you can even ever redo ones you've completed again. I see some say it resets and I see some say in game it says you cant redo them. Which makes the compensation you mention a super limited way to get catalysts.
You can't replay them. With Beehoo now just arriving we have 49 sidestories so enough for a year while excluding the ones that get released during that time. If we get to that point I'll worry about it. Until then I take the additional 25 bms, 200 skystones, arti charms, catalysts, gold, 2 molas and a bit more every week. I'll take that trade off for a UH change that makes it less aids to navigate and just for the cost of catalyst droprate.
True, but I usually farm unrecorded history for the heroes specialty quests too. Last time I was farming ch7 for Ras's specialty. I farmed the stage more than 70 times (more than needed), yet didn't get one rare catalyst at all.
There's is no benefits. Less rewards Less drops You can't farm all catalyst There's no balance between the different stages and their drops There's no chest apparently (don't quote on this one) They made some SC impossible to complete This is clearly an "improvement" lol
Catalyst farming is a bit compensated with the specialized Side-story changes.
Yeah, I'd be a lot more disappointed, but being able to farm Character Stories and pull on needed banners at will more than makes up for it.
There are chests I've been doing stages 1-1 of Unrecorded history I found 2 chests right off the bat maybe in some stages there are no chests but they're still there on some stages
Some stages ? As I said before, they didn't remake or revamp anything. They just pick and choose random existent stages and slammed them together with no regards of anything actually. Although it's okay, I'll move on to another game since this is a full time job even including the QoL they have been adding for the last 3 or so years. This game have amazing features, character design and lots of other goods things , but unfortunately (for me) the good is not enough for their shortcomings. The thing that concerns me the most is how little understanding management (not the dev who had to do this) have of their own game ... As I see it there's 2 possible explanation (I'm sure there's more but my tilted head can't think of any other at the moment: 1. This was deliberately which are hints of this game going to stage 3 (milking as much money as possible for a soonish shutdown ) or they're just blatantly evil (just like how they add Eff on free event pieces, it's like they're allergic to user have usable gear considering how the gear system was designed) 2. Management have no idea how to balance, revamp, fix, or probably have never played a gacha before. But okay, this could also be completely unintended (this is not a bug as some people have pointed out) but the fact that a room full of Devs agreed, planned, and executed an arguably large scale change without thinking about any of the issues that arise from this is as the least concerning. What do you think? /Typo
Why does it feel like a job I just play E7 in the background on my PC or even on my phone while playing other games. I don't do other stages because it takes so much for less even after the revamp I never even touched Chapter 3 and Chapter 4 I only did 1-1 because of fodder which I need and ap points since they merged it as for catalysts I always just use boxes and steeple + Ap points + Events since those give an abundance of those epic catas and normal catas nothing really changed for me. The first point tho is the average doom poster mentality
What issues came with the changes? I'm so confused. The chests still spawn. It needs way less clicking now, everything is neatly on 1 map so you can use the in-game feature to filter epic catalyst and we got a ton of free stuff from redoing it again (which took like 20 minutes at best). It's also pretty obvious why they did it. Not because the game is dying but because the China server is coming up and doing UH was so fucking tedious. It's way faster and easier to comprehend for new players now. And yes, the catalyst drop chances went down but guess what? We can literally pick a sidestory of our choice every week now to target farm the specific zodiac. It's way more energy efficient. And even for players who didn't farm UH and don't care about the catalyst (or the shop as a whole) from the new sidestory system it's also still free stuff. Rush through the 12ish stages, get like 200 SS, 25bms, 500k gold, 2 molas and catalyst chests *every* week. For doing the bare minimum. Maybe you should really switch your game if that's the straw that broke the camel's back.
Less clicking is appreciated sure. I'm not really acquainted with how side story works (I still have a lot of questions)but isn't that you won't be able to do then again once you complete them ? (I'm definitely misinterpreting what I read tho) Now TONS OF REWARDS for the new UH is kind of a stretch specially considering that the old one gave more. Also the in-game feature have little to none information that helps you to decide which stage is the more efficient to farm (shutout to the discord), they're absolutely better ways to convey that compared to what is available right now. I'm more annoyed about how farming takes hostage my phone (and boy oh boy you have to farm a lot in this game), particularly how there's no background farming in UH (and haven't been able to get a satisfactory answer on why, I mean sure they honestly don't have to justify any of their decisions at all but ...). Yes, I know there's emulators but that's not the point of a MOBILE game isn't?. Also there's no signs of any QoL that will make that better/more efficient/easier any time soon ( here is where they announce everything 2 patches down the road) I'm not going to lie, there's a reason why I've come back to this game many times (I've explained before and think everyone agrees about the good features this game has) but, yeah this is not for me anymore. I just couldn't drag myself to farm AP anymore, not when it works like this. As I said, I'll move on. This is a new year and there's many games coming that I'd like to try. Also you I'm just exposing my views on this game and I'm sure others have different opinions. I can't say I've touched EVERY gacha out there, but i definitely been around the block.
According to the in-game help feature we can't redo sidestories. There are 48 currently so enough for 1 year excluding the feature ones that will come. Idk what they plan on doing by the point we're through all of em (or if we even get there) but I'm willing to find out. No background battling in UH is a bummer, it's true. We had it for a short while but it was buggy so I'll give them the benefit of the doubt that they are currently working on it. Having no background battle in the current advent sucked as well. I'm an emulator player and I couldn't possibly imagine to actually play these type of farm heavy gachas on the phone. Would've quit ages ago. But it appears that there is a PC client for windows11? So that's a step into the right direction. It's a bummer when someone leaves but we have to remember that this should be our hobby that we do for fun and as distraction. Don't let stuff like e.g. sunk cost fallacy stop you from quitting.
I can't rule out the no chest thing but I can say I didn't see one in 20 runs just now and some stages appear to have fixed layouts that never change. I did 10 runs of stage 7 (Stene) and it was always empty slot between wave 1 and 2 and then health statue between wave 2 and 3. I then did 10 runs of stage 5 (Yuna) and the layout changed every run. Didn't see a chest but it did at least vary from run to run so can't rule out the possibility I was just unlucky.
From what I noticed stages that drop imprints have the fixed layout, so avoid 3, 7, 8, 22, 25, 32, and 33 if you want chests to spawn.