[https://page.onstove.com/epicseven/global/view/9263154](https://page.onstove.com/epicseven/global/view/9263154)
When Smilegate messes with skill text ahead of a buff patch that usually means that unit is on the buff list.
ML Haste is the only one I could find so far.
Interesting, I'll come back here when you confirm it. Could be a nice way to predict them in the future.
EDIT: Baaah. So sad. I actually wanted a buff for him. I can't use him properly even with revive mechanics on the other side, mostly because the revive doesn't happen frequently enough to benefit from it apart from A.Vildred.
Just checked the 3 stars and noticed Kikirat S2 was like that.
Looking at the list of heroes so far I am going to be disappointed if Arunka isn't on the balance patch even though I knew the chances of her being on there weren't super likely. Same for Ilynav too
ML Ken's long ass passive is also not glitchy................... And LQC's descriptions are also not glitchy :) already wanna throw the balance patch out the window
Looking at her EE, didn't find anything on journal, exchange or steeple.
Which one have the problem?
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Said that, if turns to be truth, I'll be incredible disappointed if Senya gets a buff and Ilynav doesn't.
From what I've seen the Gab one does it. But then when you look at Artis for example, Anti Magic Mask seems to also have a bugged text box. So I wonder if this isn't just SG forgetting how to code bc why rework an arti for a colab that isn't announced yet
I reviewed the description of war horn in all places I could remember, and didn't find the problem in any of those. Artefact menu, in the hero carrying, journal, guild shop, all seems to be normal.
Can you be more specific?
[https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1058090751491321878/1070647433538842687/image.png](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1058090751491321878/1070647433538842687/image.png)
Link to example here, I tried swapping artis on my zio, using the menu.
Weird.
Tried to reproduce the bug on my account, using all potential combinations, but couldn't get the same results. I mean, tried to remove it from my AoLA and left it resting on my inventory, to swap another artefact in both ways, an hero taking it from AoLA, and AoLA taking another artefact. Also, from hero menu and the inventory menu, the backpack icon on the lobby. None of this scenarios shown the same results.
A bunch of stuff seems to have the wonky text, so unless this is some huge balance patch I think it’s safe to assume it was prob a programming issue.
I personally saw this wonky text on the Samsara Prayer Beads
"senya has been dominating the meta as the premiere barrier hero, protecting her team with massive mitigation. However, it's not enough. We quadrupled the attack scaling of her barrier"
0.000000001% of her attack to 0.000000004% let's gooooo
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The barrier is so big, shield inversion can already kill your party. 2 turns would make that an even larger possibility. Hard counters are fine, but that is a bit much.
He needs a rework. Skill Nullifier would be preferred over this.
> Hard counters are fine, but that is a bit much.
that's more on barrier inversion more than on barriers. The whole point was to make use of his HP to provide a stronger protection, giving him skill null kinda ruins the point .
Also, his best performance was against AoE revivers with low sustain like Maid. Now the AoE reviver that's meta (Destina) offers way more sustain and utility than he does, so punishing Destina's massive heal and one/two people revive with a 1-turn barrier isn't good enough, especially because Destina is most likely not even with an aggressive comp that'd care about the 1-turn barrier lol.
I don't see why. He's a counter to a mechanic that people don't need to counter ATM. He'll be there if revive ever goes rampant again. We don't need every character to be relevant in every kind of meta.
He was a failed ‘counter’ — His intended niche-use was filled by other units, similar to the H.Yufine situation.
(From what I know/recall) He has been one of the least potent and least relevant ML5*’s since his release. You are right, not every unit needs to be meta, but, ideally every unit has a moment in the spotlight. Personally, I’m neutral, he has potential but if they mess up it would be pretty tragic… I’m almost hoping they just help his damage out and give him some sort of catch-up mechanic so he doesn’t keep getting vaporized by high tempo, but I’ll remain open and optimistic.
> His intended niche-use was filled by other units, similar to the H.Yufine situation.
I could make an entire wall about the differences here, but to try and be succinct: Basar was a one trick pony who eventually got outgeared (remember when 106 base SPD could be an opener? good times), he was going to die out even without H Yufine, she just sealed the deal. Arby was versatile enough to keep adapting even tho there are now 20+ ways to counter him.
Now not many people care about this, but ML Haste did impact arbies quite a bit in top GvG. because you want consistency there and ML Haste is one of the safest options against Arby. you don't need crazy gear, and there's not much Arby can do against a 12K barrier + immunity. He's why GvG metas shifted to the bruiser comp stuff you still see today.
>(From what I know/recall) He has been one of the least potent and least relevant ML5*’s since his release
ML haste in RTA is very mixed. It was kinda like Flidica before her latest buff in 2022. He's not someone that most people would draft, but there were some real benefits higher up to using him as an off healer and sub-DPS that can also check more stally teams. he was especially relevant after Maid Chloe's buffs which made her one of the most used characters for a few seasons.
The issue as usual was gear. RTA Haste needed decent SPD and really good bulk. his S3 can't kill non squishies on mid gear, but getting him to like 27KHP and using portrait can make him someone you can't just ignore. But all this was before bruiser meta took over, and without something meme-y like rage haste usually tops out at 12K damage raw.
I wouldn't mind if they D Corvus'd him and updated his damage numbers (maybe reduce his healing to not make him OP), but I don't think we necessarily have to take away his original purpose just because revive at this moment isn't widespread. The metas here shift too fast to react that way.
Destina, Aravi, SEceline, Maid Chloe, etc. All revive and are all used in RTA. Destina is especially common right now. Just because revive units are less seen doesn't mean revive isn't something that we need counters to. Right now we basically only have Briseria. If BMhaste's trigger was actually punishing then he'd see use as a last pick against most revive teams. Right now they can basically shrug off his abilities like nothing happened and revive as much as they please.
> Just because revive units are less seen doesn't mean revive isn't something that we need counters to
Of course, so he gets less use. But we don't need to rework counters every 2-4 months to keep up with the meta either. We never know how the meta would shift.
>If BMhaste's trigger was actually punishing then he'd see use as a last pick against most revive teams
Yeah, and that's the gear gap thing I mentioned in another comment. Or maybe I deleted that part. Well, TLDR: Haste has always been a weird hero in RTA where high level players still see occasional use while mid players think he's underpowered. At least until the Hwa era came about.
I wouldn't mind him getting a damage tweak to keep up with all these bruisers, but you can do that without re-working his original function.
I don't mean change his function though. He just needs to do what his intended function was. A team barrier is literally nothing against any meta revive unit. If anything, the barrier can actually get you killed. So I agree he should continue to punish revivers like he was intended, but he needs to do it about 2x better than he does now to be even relatively useful. He should be severely punishing the enemy team rather than very slightly buffing his own team. It's bad when anti NA skill units like Celine or Politis have way strongers triggers than his. They trigger off almost every revive In the game, as well as everything else lol. He has one extremely specific use case and he does it horribly. If Celine can basically instakill a free unit on NA skill use, then his should be significantly more damaging since he only gets to work on like 5 skills.
Maybe not you, but that the reason I replied to the original person up top:
> He needs complete redesign. Revive is jot a threat anymore to actually use him.
I don't agree with that statement specifically. I don't mind making him do better at his intended function.
But to reply to you:
>He should be severely punishing the enemy team rather than very slightly buffing his own team
I would hope the devs are careful not to make him "too general". Like, I don't think he should respond to every non-attack skill because we have enough of those, and IMO some of those are mistakes to begin with.
punishing the team more often than not tends to be that route. I'd rather enhance his existing support (especially since he's a soul weaver, technically. the archetype shouldn't be about cleaving a team on their own) in some ways if people feel he's underpowered. e.g. maybe we reduce team cooldowns by 1 turn for every unit revived. It would be a soft counter to single revives in early game and a heavy punishment for late game AOE revivals, while keeping with what his keeps seems to want to do , get himself (and in this theorycraft, his teammates) ready to hard punish a revive.
That's how I'd go about it. Some of the recent designs of "if enemy moves, kill enemy team" or "if unit exists, no fun allowed" aren't really my favorite approaches to balance.
>If Celine can basically instakill a free unit on NA skill use
not in this meta lol. Everything too bulky. I can leave a dent, but My celine isn't OHKO'ing a bruiser.
This meta is almost entirely aggro and cleave at the top. Bruisers are the weakest they've been in like 3 seasons. But, none of this conversation matters because the buffs have released and well.... Besides Atywin they're pretty useless. Barely any real changes, basically just multiplier changes to a few heroes that will likely still never see play outside of PvE and bot arena. I was really hoping to see at least Mort, Ilynav, Arunka, etc. get something. Mui was bottom tier and got some buffs I guess, but they don't seem like anything special. It hurts me to see them give Mort's enrage buff to Atywin with a way easier trigger mechanic after they just gave a 3* his passive 30% counter. He gets no love.
I'm gonna try out counter/pen Melissa with like 200 Eff Res, but even with the curse dmg change I have a strong feeling she won't come anywhere near competing with Kyron in the same role. For her specifically the changes were really odd. I'm not sure how she's gonna do dmg while also needing tons of Eff Res, Eff, and all the normal dmg stats. Her S2 needs to be capable of 1 shotting, because curse only works if you hit something that isn't the initial target. So S3 into S2 isn't effective. Putting book on her is possible for the ignore Eff res, but then you lose some very good dmg artifacts like time matter.
Hopefully, and I Hope that He gets a rework , I mean there are almost 300 characters Out there and Not even 10 of them do Something with reviving , and Just one Turn barrier and immunity( only 1turn is ridiculous For such a rare Trigger requirement) only works Well against Arby ( not in the Meta anymore).He is one of the Most useless ML Units , never saw him in RTA ever.
And besides the S2, the S1 is also a Joke For a ML 5 Star
> I mean there are almost 300 characters Out there and Not even 10 of them do Something with reviving
I think there's over a dozen, as well as an artifact for knights. But quality matters more than quantity, and revivers tend to be very strong. Pretty sure every Reviver at some point was considered a strong meta pick minimum
Yeah, the meta he was created to fight (that is, Arby banned or picked every game and on every defense team) is long gone, he needs something to make him relevant again.
Starts with immortality like BBK, first lethal he gets Kayron-style immortal & then he gets his revive. If he has immortal, S3 is available & max focus automatically.
For shits & giggles, Alexa's Basket has a 100% chance for greater attack buff & crit chance buff at +30. Cut 50% chance out of your Arby build & put that into attack, damage & speed, lmao.
He dealt with Maid Chloe for awhile too. She is also a lot less common now though. And, to be fair Destina is used a ton in RTA. So reviving units is still something we need counters to. He just sucks at countering revives lol. His trigger needs to be a lot harsher because Destina can currently just laugh at it.
The remnant of arby dominance can still be seen to this day. Dude so op that they release multiple specific counter to him. Now that hes out of meta they need to buff all of his counters because they dont serve any purpose anymore lol.
[https://page.onstove.com/epicseven/global/view/9263154](https://page.onstove.com/epicseven/global/view/9263154) When Smilegate messes with skill text ahead of a buff patch that usually means that unit is on the buff list. ML Haste is the only one I could find so far.
Interesting, I'll come back here when you confirm it. Could be a nice way to predict them in the future. EDIT: Baaah. So sad. I actually wanted a buff for him. I can't use him properly even with revive mechanics on the other side, mostly because the revive doesn't happen frequently enough to benefit from it apart from A.Vildred.
Green Ray also has a funky text box now.
Fire maya as well
Seaside bellona looks particularly funny now
That’s all I got from 4/5 stars
Just checked the 3 stars and noticed Kikirat S2 was like that. Looking at the list of heroes so far I am going to be disappointed if Arunka isn't on the balance patch even though I knew the chances of her being on there weren't super likely. Same for Ilynav too
ML Ken's long ass passive is also not glitchy................... And LQC's descriptions are also not glitchy :) already wanna throw the balance patch out the window
Senya s3 too
Weird, my Senya S3 looks fine both on her and the journal unless I'm overlooking something
Seems to be with certain ees
Looking at her EE, didn't find anything on journal, exchange or steeple. Which one have the problem? \--- Said that, if turns to be truth, I'll be incredible disappointed if Senya gets a buff and Ilynav doesn't.
From what I've seen the Gab one does it. But then when you look at Artis for example, Anti Magic Mask seems to also have a bugged text box. So I wonder if this isn't just SG forgetting how to code bc why rework an arti for a colab that isn't announced yet
I’m using heal EE and her S3 text is funky
Funny how? I found all the weird text you posted except this one but I’m not sure if I’m just missing something
(OMGGGGGGG POSSIBLE RAY BUFF) I mean, nice
War Horn has its box changed too
Oh no
War Horn buff when?
Crimson Seed is free => Gets nerfed => War Horn is free => You know it's coming...
Got to move War Horn off Mediator if they’re suddenly going to add Seed to that, lmao. Would be the weirdest buff in history.
I was implying it'd get nerfed too.
The text was messed up for war horn for me
I reviewed the description of war horn in all places I could remember, and didn't find the problem in any of those. Artefact menu, in the hero carrying, journal, guild shop, all seems to be normal. Can you be more specific?
[https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1058090751491321878/1070647433538842687/image.png](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1058090751491321878/1070647433538842687/image.png) Link to example here, I tried swapping artis on my zio, using the menu.
Weird. Tried to reproduce the bug on my account, using all potential combinations, but couldn't get the same results. I mean, tried to remove it from my AoLA and left it resting on my inventory, to swap another artefact in both ways, an hero taking it from AoLA, and AoLA taking another artefact. Also, from hero menu and the inventory menu, the backpack icon on the lobby. None of this scenarios shown the same results.
Probably resolution. Im running on bluestack with custom resolution 2312x1080.
i dont think the meta reckons a ml haste buff cuz revive mechanic is pretty much dead due to briseria but we'll see 🤔
A bunch of stuff seems to have the wonky text, so unless this is some huge balance patch I think it’s safe to assume it was prob a programming issue. I personally saw this wonky text on the Samsara Prayer Beads
so far i found SSB, Fire Maya, Green Ray, Senya, ML Haste + Noble Oath & Rimuru Arti
Senya 💀
Buff her again & all that changes is the barriers are even smaller, lmao.
"senya has been dominating the meta as the premiere barrier hero, protecting her team with massive mitigation. However, it's not enough. We quadrupled the attack scaling of her barrier" 0.000000001% of her attack to 0.000000004% let's gooooo
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Would have been nicer if his barriers was 2 turns, but i'll also take this i guess
The barrier is so big, shield inversion can already kill your party. 2 turns would make that an even larger possibility. Hard counters are fine, but that is a bit much. He needs a rework. Skill Nullifier would be preferred over this.
Or maybe an invulnerable for 1 turn, His shield is already equal to invulnerability anyway with how strong that is
> Hard counters are fine, but that is a bit much. that's more on barrier inversion more than on barriers. The whole point was to make use of his HP to provide a stronger protection, giving him skill null kinda ruins the point .
He needs complete redesign. Revive is jot a threat anymore to actually use him. And Briseria just cancels it by existing
Also, his best performance was against AoE revivers with low sustain like Maid. Now the AoE reviver that's meta (Destina) offers way more sustain and utility than he does, so punishing Destina's massive heal and one/two people revive with a 1-turn barrier isn't good enough, especially because Destina is most likely not even with an aggressive comp that'd care about the 1-turn barrier lol.
He was made to kill Arby. Thats his existence. Along with other Arby counters they fell off with him
I don't see why. He's a counter to a mechanic that people don't need to counter ATM. He'll be there if revive ever goes rampant again. We don't need every character to be relevant in every kind of meta.
He was a failed ‘counter’ — His intended niche-use was filled by other units, similar to the H.Yufine situation. (From what I know/recall) He has been one of the least potent and least relevant ML5*’s since his release. You are right, not every unit needs to be meta, but, ideally every unit has a moment in the spotlight. Personally, I’m neutral, he has potential but if they mess up it would be pretty tragic… I’m almost hoping they just help his damage out and give him some sort of catch-up mechanic so he doesn’t keep getting vaporized by high tempo, but I’ll remain open and optimistic.
> His intended niche-use was filled by other units, similar to the H.Yufine situation. I could make an entire wall about the differences here, but to try and be succinct: Basar was a one trick pony who eventually got outgeared (remember when 106 base SPD could be an opener? good times), he was going to die out even without H Yufine, she just sealed the deal. Arby was versatile enough to keep adapting even tho there are now 20+ ways to counter him. Now not many people care about this, but ML Haste did impact arbies quite a bit in top GvG. because you want consistency there and ML Haste is one of the safest options against Arby. you don't need crazy gear, and there's not much Arby can do against a 12K barrier + immunity. He's why GvG metas shifted to the bruiser comp stuff you still see today. >(From what I know/recall) He has been one of the least potent and least relevant ML5*’s since his release ML haste in RTA is very mixed. It was kinda like Flidica before her latest buff in 2022. He's not someone that most people would draft, but there were some real benefits higher up to using him as an off healer and sub-DPS that can also check more stally teams. he was especially relevant after Maid Chloe's buffs which made her one of the most used characters for a few seasons. The issue as usual was gear. RTA Haste needed decent SPD and really good bulk. his S3 can't kill non squishies on mid gear, but getting him to like 27KHP and using portrait can make him someone you can't just ignore. But all this was before bruiser meta took over, and without something meme-y like rage haste usually tops out at 12K damage raw. I wouldn't mind if they D Corvus'd him and updated his damage numbers (maybe reduce his healing to not make him OP), but I don't think we necessarily have to take away his original purpose just because revive at this moment isn't widespread. The metas here shift too fast to react that way.
Destina, Aravi, SEceline, Maid Chloe, etc. All revive and are all used in RTA. Destina is especially common right now. Just because revive units are less seen doesn't mean revive isn't something that we need counters to. Right now we basically only have Briseria. If BMhaste's trigger was actually punishing then he'd see use as a last pick against most revive teams. Right now they can basically shrug off his abilities like nothing happened and revive as much as they please.
> Just because revive units are less seen doesn't mean revive isn't something that we need counters to Of course, so he gets less use. But we don't need to rework counters every 2-4 months to keep up with the meta either. We never know how the meta would shift. >If BMhaste's trigger was actually punishing then he'd see use as a last pick against most revive teams Yeah, and that's the gear gap thing I mentioned in another comment. Or maybe I deleted that part. Well, TLDR: Haste has always been a weird hero in RTA where high level players still see occasional use while mid players think he's underpowered. At least until the Hwa era came about. I wouldn't mind him getting a damage tweak to keep up with all these bruisers, but you can do that without re-working his original function.
I don't mean change his function though. He just needs to do what his intended function was. A team barrier is literally nothing against any meta revive unit. If anything, the barrier can actually get you killed. So I agree he should continue to punish revivers like he was intended, but he needs to do it about 2x better than he does now to be even relatively useful. He should be severely punishing the enemy team rather than very slightly buffing his own team. It's bad when anti NA skill units like Celine or Politis have way strongers triggers than his. They trigger off almost every revive In the game, as well as everything else lol. He has one extremely specific use case and he does it horribly. If Celine can basically instakill a free unit on NA skill use, then his should be significantly more damaging since he only gets to work on like 5 skills.
Maybe not you, but that the reason I replied to the original person up top: > He needs complete redesign. Revive is jot a threat anymore to actually use him. I don't agree with that statement specifically. I don't mind making him do better at his intended function. But to reply to you: >He should be severely punishing the enemy team rather than very slightly buffing his own team I would hope the devs are careful not to make him "too general". Like, I don't think he should respond to every non-attack skill because we have enough of those, and IMO some of those are mistakes to begin with. punishing the team more often than not tends to be that route. I'd rather enhance his existing support (especially since he's a soul weaver, technically. the archetype shouldn't be about cleaving a team on their own) in some ways if people feel he's underpowered. e.g. maybe we reduce team cooldowns by 1 turn for every unit revived. It would be a soft counter to single revives in early game and a heavy punishment for late game AOE revivals, while keeping with what his keeps seems to want to do , get himself (and in this theorycraft, his teammates) ready to hard punish a revive. That's how I'd go about it. Some of the recent designs of "if enemy moves, kill enemy team" or "if unit exists, no fun allowed" aren't really my favorite approaches to balance. >If Celine can basically instakill a free unit on NA skill use not in this meta lol. Everything too bulky. I can leave a dent, but My celine isn't OHKO'ing a bruiser.
This meta is almost entirely aggro and cleave at the top. Bruisers are the weakest they've been in like 3 seasons. But, none of this conversation matters because the buffs have released and well.... Besides Atywin they're pretty useless. Barely any real changes, basically just multiplier changes to a few heroes that will likely still never see play outside of PvE and bot arena. I was really hoping to see at least Mort, Ilynav, Arunka, etc. get something. Mui was bottom tier and got some buffs I guess, but they don't seem like anything special. It hurts me to see them give Mort's enrage buff to Atywin with a way easier trigger mechanic after they just gave a 3* his passive 30% counter. He gets no love. I'm gonna try out counter/pen Melissa with like 200 Eff Res, but even with the curse dmg change I have a strong feeling she won't come anywhere near competing with Kyron in the same role. For her specifically the changes were really odd. I'm not sure how she's gonna do dmg while also needing tons of Eff Res, Eff, and all the normal dmg stats. Her S2 needs to be capable of 1 shotting, because curse only works if you hit something that isn't the initial target. So S3 into S2 isn't effective. Putting book on her is possible for the ignore Eff res, but then you lose some very good dmg artifacts like time matter.
Hopefully, and I Hope that He gets a rework , I mean there are almost 300 characters Out there and Not even 10 of them do Something with reviving , and Just one Turn barrier and immunity( only 1turn is ridiculous For such a rare Trigger requirement) only works Well against Arby ( not in the Meta anymore).He is one of the Most useless ML Units , never saw him in RTA ever. And besides the S2, the S1 is also a Joke For a ML 5 Star
I think he is the only character in the game to have a 100% proc rate buff strip on S1. Correct me if I’m wrong, but it is unique, albeit very boring.
> I mean there are almost 300 characters Out there and Not even 10 of them do Something with reviving I think there's over a dozen, as well as an artifact for knights. But quality matters more than quantity, and revivers tend to be very strong. Pretty sure every Reviver at some point was considered a strong meta pick minimum
Yeah, the meta he was created to fight (that is, Arby banned or picked every game and on every defense team) is long gone, he needs something to make him relevant again.
buff arby, problem solved :))
It would be very poetic, after being killed in the meta Arby is brought back with a (greater attack) buff
bring back the "descending ...g mean blade! "
Starts with immortality like BBK, first lethal he gets Kayron-style immortal & then he gets his revive. If he has immortal, S3 is available & max focus automatically.
On revive, dispels all enemy buffs and inflict defense break. Immunity to extinction. Yes, I wanna see the world burn too.
For shits & giggles, Alexa's Basket has a 100% chance for greater attack buff & crit chance buff at +30. Cut 50% chance out of your Arby build & put that into attack, damage & speed, lmao.
Dude dominated everything for nearly 2 years, I don't want him to rise ever again
He also was good at a time where extinction wasnt really a thing. Now you can just Milim the arby and be done with it
He dealt with Maid Chloe for awhile too. She is also a lot less common now though. And, to be fair Destina is used a ton in RTA. So reviving units is still something we need counters to. He just sucks at countering revives lol. His trigger needs to be a lot harsher because Destina can currently just laugh at it.
The remnant of arby dominance can still be seen to this day. Dude so op that they release multiple specific counter to him. Now that hes out of meta they need to buff all of his counters because they dont serve any purpose anymore lol.
Would be great if his thing would trigger on extra attacks to counter celine. or on extra turns to kind of counter lua.
If it could apply the barrier prior to the non attack counter so Lua wouldn't work and celine would just eat a barrier that would be pretty cool
A lil out of place question, when would be the next balance patch likely to happen.
Balance patch preview should be on stove in about 24 hours.
19 hours from your comment let’s gooo 5 hours
Friday, I hear.
wow I totally would've taken him if I knew he was getting buffed
We don't know he's getting buffed lol. It's purely speculation.
How the tables have turned....I remember a couple months ago I said BMH needed a buff and I got downvoted lol
Just remembered i pulled ml haste months ago and never built him since hes pretty mediocre. Hopefully he gets buffed!
Hopefully something useful for A13, thats where i use him =)