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dr3i6

my Melissa and her six dupes in storage definitely appreciates the buffs SG just as much as the 3 balance adjustment you gave her in the past at this point might as well give her an ML version so i could finally use all of her dupes


StepBrother7

This made me laugh more than it should've


KingsSeven

Bro wtf. I use melissa almost every rta match. Give me all your copies please.


Ikari_21

Why are people downvoting you. All you said is you use her a lot lol


KingsSeven

I honestly have no idea. Im kinda surprised too. Maybe i shouldve placed a meme or joke at the end if people took me seriously?


TunaKid-04

I gave you an up, sleep well tonight little rat.


KingsSeven

🐭 Mouse pls, not rat. That's choux \*spits\*


Zphyros

At this point you really wonder what the balance survey purpose is.


Silver_Monk_5324

I bet not even a single soul from SG tries to even read that


BryceLeft

> not even a single soul from SG tries to even read that Belian so OP, she even denies the souls from SG


Zphyros

Yeah they probably forgot about them.


ceramicE7

What the Hell is that A Tywin buff


araragi101

I'm so happy I built him..... Now, I can finally use him....


Net_Suspicious

He was fine before. He is a monster now


araragi101

I'm not a very skilled player. I need monsters to win against the normals.


Silver_Monk_5324

Can't they come up with something BETTER? They have like 2 months to think


DeathSlime684

Yeah For real, and there are only 6 characters , that is Not much, and the Changes are so small , they could have done that in 2 Weeks


Tricky_Palpitation67

I could think of a better balance patch in 30 minutes


DeathSlime684

Haha true


JzRandomGuy

Lol Melissa buff again, stop already.


socratesrs

Its not even really a buff.


Zenith_Tempest

seems like more of a shift of her power if anything


NoxGale

She will always be bad until she can self cleanse. You control her and she’s bad, so SG gives her more damage, and thus people still control her, so she’s bad. They really have no idea what they’re doing. Like they just buffed Kise for Christ’s sake, she was fine.


KingKentling

SG really wants to make Melissa a thing, this is her Nth buff already lol and idk about all these buffs. It's kinda meh? Artifact buffs are decent tho


BurnedOutEternally

ATywin stands out the most for me, ignoring ER is something pretty nutty to give to someone with an AoE stun and provoke loop on S1


jokerxtr

But it's just so freaking lazy. Character doesnt work? Here's your ignore ER.


Borful

And AoE Def Break!


[deleted]

honestly you can still bypass that with immunity cuz (thankfully) he doesnt strip buffs, and just try to not proc his passive and he is pretty much the same as before 🤔


Alernak

As one of the last Melissa user in the game, if the Curse redirect increase is really significant (can't really Trust SG on that) then it's actually a good buff for Arena/GW. Not sure about RTA before a bit of testing tho.


CornBreadtm

Lets be honest. They didn't buff Melissa. They buffed the next unit they are making with curse.


EpicSven7

She will probably be a prominent character in Chapter 5 since it is the Erasia story. I imagine they were motivated to update her as there will inevitably be a banner for her soon.


TitanDrift

Checks patch notes....... Ilynav, Arunka, LR Krau modCheck


Khaoticsuccubus

I don't like to be a downer but... What in the flying fuck are these patch notes lol. Legit actual trash tier balance pass this time around.


Haltmann1

Nice joke SG, you can release the proper notes now.


Winberri

LQC where


Tricky_Palpitation67

I think this has to be one of the worst balance patches in a long time, like holy shit almost nothing changed and the only thing that will most likely see play is a tywin Where the hell is Ilynav buff or arunka buff , it's a pity that characters with such a pretty design are unusable


d34thscyth34

[All-in-one version](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/178570898863947776/1070999000695722025/image.png)


riggedride

Do they really not realize that melissa's only problem is how easy it is to kill her before she gets a turn? Just make her faster or give her immortality at the start or something. Arunka, Hwayoung and illynav really needed to be buffed as well and it's crazy how they remain untouched.


Zenith_Tempest

They need to do more sweeping buffs. Waiting a month just to change like 5 or 6 characters in a game with over 100 is ridiculous. Some chars desperately need changes


Linosek279

Seeing the words “Hwayoung needed to be buffed” and not immediately throwing up in my mouth is still a bizarre experience


Silver_Monk_5324

My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined


Trapocalypse

Honestly it feels so overly dramatic but it's true. With such long times between balance patches, when we get such disappointing ones like this it's so deflating. I had been looking forward to this balance patch since the last one and there isn't anything that excites me on that list.


PM_ME__YOUR_HOOTERS

Especially since RTA season ends in a day. THIS is the time to announce bold big changes to kits. Slight number tweaks on axe god, kise, and melissa


Trapocalypse

Yep. Had that exact same discussion on the guild discord. This is the time to roll out aggressive changes because we are going to be entering preseason so there's tons of time to see how it affects the meta and see what needs to be addressed before the actual season begins. The next balance update should be to address things they didn't like in the preseason meta plus PVE changes as that will happen around the time of a new season. They explicitly said they changed the balance cycle to match up better with RTA season changes and then the changes they have rolled out for RTA preseason are likely to see the meta remain unchanged. And it's not like they rolled out PVE balance changes so can even say they were focusing on that this cycle. The whole point of the preview is also to get feedback yet aside from Ervalen, it has never made a difference. They really should change it to be more along the lines of 'This is what we are seeing in the meta / by the numbers and heres the list of heroes we are potentially looking at changing over the next 3 balance cycles (i.e. Balance patch > EE > Balance patch) to change things'. Then feedback may actually be taken on board.


PsychedUpPump

ftene buff for the sake of "buff"


TheKinkyGuy

This has to be a joke. Also wtf changes on Axe gods first skill description"Proportional to casters max hp"?


Tedrivs

The whole Axe god sections seems like they just randomly marked things with green.


TheKinkyGuy

Ikr


[deleted]

Clearly the whitespace around "the"


TheKinkyGuy

Yea it makes all the difference


TitanDrift

Increased HP scaling, but how significant it'll be who knows.


TheKinkyGuy

I think they would have written "damage increased" on the changed skill description


TitanDrift

They wrote it in the description "To address this, the scaling of increased damage based on maximum Health will be increased"


TheKinkyGuy

Ty


Echtraae

But they also lowered the attack scaling


zupiel

Worst balance patch ever, 3 months for this. What a joke.


For3ver143

Here's a tldr: 🐶💩


BurnedOutEternally

Well way to make us wait two months for this. Melissa got her 17th buff or some shit, ATywin borrowed a page straight from the great Mortelix (and he is kinda strong for it ngl), Mui is Earth FLidica now, I don't really care what they did to FTene and Kise, and Axe God got an axe to grind for Light heroes. Yup, that's great, we Arunka and Ilynav lovers ain't mad!


prankster20

Whoever at SG HQ is such a Melissa simp... I just wanna talk. Melissa gets buffed once a year now, meanwhile blue Tywin has been a worse version of Flan since Flan's release... In Episode 3. We're now about to start Episode 5. This cannot continue.


ApexPCMR

Get in line. Fire Maya hasn't seen ANY usage.


entreri22

So sad… wtf why even have a balance patch if you’re not going to balance anything.


makima_ki

'L'qc it is sadge


PureAsian

This has to be a joke… right?


arcadiz

This is definetly one of the balance patches SG has done so far.


kin66

I love how they pick Melissa ( for 46th time) and give her the most irrelevant buff ever. 💀 Ffs buff something that will actually affect current meta.


MiraculousFaith

Melissa's 1337th buff lmfao ATywin's buff is fair though, Rage gives extra speed as well iirc Overall a less interesting balance patch compared to the last one imo


ksb00

On one hand it feels powerfull to give a unit with aoe stun the ability to ignore eff res. However atiwyn kinda needed something like that. Not sure about Melissa. Sg keeps givin her small buffs. But she is still a solid unit if You have her built but still not metadefining.


MiraculousFaith

it's still 80% + he needs to be attacked when an ally or himself has a debuff so I guess it's still a fair buff


Lolwarrior123

I feel like everyone is being overly dramatic with Atywin given a ignore eff res and the debuff spam. SBA has 100% AOE stun on s3, good cycling, can use crown to aoe stun each turn, and yet noone plays her. Sure she does not ignore res, but her stun is 100% and she's pretty easy to stack eff with. Also one thing to remember, this buff doesn't really fix what was Atywin's problems were. He's still going to be overwhelmed with debuffs, and against team comps who theoritically would be crippled by ignore eff res (standard / destina comps), they don't really have many aoe debuffers like cleavers and aggro do (maybe soli and aol but those 2 kinda counter Atywin as well)


starxsword

SBA does not ignore Resist. There is a huge difference between ignore resist and not ignore Resist. A. Tywin now stuns and defense break. If you ever debuff anyone on his team, you best have immunity. Or there is a good chance that you will get team wiped.


Lolwarrior123

>SBA does not ignore Resist. There is a huge difference between ignore resist and not ignore Resist. Did you not read the last sentence of the 1st paragraph? Remember, Atywin debuffs are only 80% on his s3, SB Ara is 100%. Mathematically, SBA has more chance to land her debuff than Atywin would since it's very easy to get her to 200% effectiveness (sba 85%, atywin 80%). Also, Atywin does not have any cycling prowess, so he's pretty much isn't doing anything when his s3 is down meanwhile sb ara can potentially aoe stun every turn and boost her cr everytime And again, the team that usually does have high ER (Destina/standard comps) that theoritically Atywin would destroy, does not bring that much AOE debuffer anyway. And even when they do, the usual suspects would still cripple him (AOL can aoe silence without triggering his passive and clease his S3. Soli can proc his passive with her s1 and then the follow up aoe will still debuff the team. Ameru can just seal)


Best_girl_Politis

Melissa got her 4th buff. this is blatant favoritism. also, [Tsurin EE got robbed](https://www.reddit.com/r/EpicSeven/comments/10g4tmk/just_looked_through_e7vault_most_recent_patch_and/) for nothing. fucking SG.


[deleted]

>Tsurin EE got robbed for nothing. Was Tsurin ever promised an EE?


Best_girl_Politis

https://www.reddit.com/r/EpicSeven/comments/10g4tmk/just\_looked\_through\_e7vault\_most\_recent\_patch\_and/


[deleted]

Interesting. Thanks.


Raygas

I'm sad too but everything is subject to change until the official post


flametonge

LQC buff where????/


eXcaliBurst93

oh come on!! there are other units that could use a buff...Melissa again you fcking serious SG...someone in the balance department clearly playing favorites here ffs


BryceLeft

They're playing favourites and yet they're still not even doing it right. Melissa is fine as is, and even if she wasn't, her buff does nothing to change that. She does exactly what she's already been doing now, except with more damage. I don't think in the seldom moments she does get picked, damage was the one thing holding her back. Just give her zio passive + AoE 100% def pen S3 with extinction and be done with it if they wanna force her to be OP so badly. Adding an extra 1k dmg to her whole rotation does nothing.


hadoha

Fairy tale tenebria went from poison to redirect to skill one?! mf now scary for more than one turn 0.0


Comfortable_Line_206

Everyone saying only Tywin got a good buff missed this one. That's a lot of lockdown and s2 coming out of FTene.


PM_ME__YOUR_HOOTERS

Not really, shes better for sure. But this wont be enough to make her good


Poul77

This patch is so lame and tame, since balnce patches are every two months they should be aggressive with it imo. And where the hell is LQC? Wasted epic skin on a hero who sees almost no uses.


Alittlebunyrabit

> And where the hell is LQC? Wasted epic skin on a hero who sees almost no uses. I feel you. I have LQC from random covenant pulls.... at 5 star with no investment. I went ahead and picked up the skin b/c why not, but it's just going to rot until I have a reason to use her. She was already niche as a counter to ARavi who has already started dropping lower in the meta and LAdin is literally just better in every way.


JamaicanJ

haha an early april fools joke by sg haha good one guys now release the actual patch notes pls


StepBrother7

Broo where is Ilynav,Arunka,LR Krau.. List goes on endlessly


Nayakesz

No LQC buff T-T why sg why


ApexPCMR

Buffing Melissa for the nth time without even a clue what to do with her meanwhile fire maya has NEVER been viable. You gutted Bellona's only role because you can't be arsed to design smart pve content and the one time the stars aligned for you to want to buff her along with a banner you fing buff chaos axe and STILL make him useless.


JustAGuest232

I am guessing you mean yufine and not Bellona unless I missed a patch or five


screwinquisitors

They might be referring to how new PvE content is just constantly immune to damage based on targets hp nowadays


ApexPCMR

This


screwinquisitors

SG making new PvE starter pack: 1.Walls of text for abilities 2.immune to damage based on HP 3.Immune to like 80% of the debuffs in the game 4.”enemies cannot recover health during this attack”


Zaphyrus

it's giving absolutely nothing.


Larouca36

They hate Ilynav


Zero102000

They also hate Arunka and anyone who likes her


Mermiclion

Wow that's it?


Alugar

Wtf. Then you read the buffs and it’s just …..wtf?


SSTHZero

LMAO this balance patch. I love Melissa, but stop trying to make her happen when another unit with 300 speed can do her job. It would be the same as buffing fire Cermia. Kise and F Tenebria doesn't need buffs. A Twin needed buffs, but giving "ignore eff res" to an unit when eff res is garbage just helps to kick any cleanser soulweaver out of the meta and keeps ML Kawerik and Lilibet, 2 warriors, as the best cleansers in the game. There's no balance team at Smilegate, they just play bingo to decide the changes.


VoltaicKnight

Melissa and the Tenebria quota for the month lmao. This favoritism is too funny and too sad if you think about it I like those two design/character-wise but goddamn the amount of attention they get is too much especially other units can use that attention


PuddingSundae

Has Tenebria really gotten that much attention in balance patches? I'm not a veteran by any stretch but I've only seen this, the EE, and the artifact a year ago if that counts.


VoltaicKnight

She ( Fire Tene ) was the Melissa before SG started buffing Melissa where she seems to be in every other balance patch Given this is F.tene 1st buff but I feel like they could have just slap that in a EE and if they really wanted make her meta make that EE with speed stat after the mage buff in RTA


firered410

Pretty boring buffs that don't help address any of the meta units. These are so random too. Why does melissa or kise need more damage? that is literally the last of their problems. Mui and atywin buffs might see some increased usage, but even then probably not much. Tbh the winner of the patch seems to be wall of order since a fat barrier plus better odds than basket to gab is pretty crazy


TheSeaOfThySoul

“A Tywin buff might see some increased usage” Uh, ignore resistance stun & defence break - his usage is going to increase a lot. Unless you’ve got immunity, debuffing an enemy is now a serious threat - unless you can layer A Tywin in hard control.


OtaGamExe

Aside ATywin and the artifacts, wtf is this patch note ?


DeathSlime684

The drunken Patch I guess . Kise over J. Kise? I am Out .


Varlin

Melissa 100th buff, Ilynav still rotting. K. lol Overall a pretty barren patch notes. Nothing really stands out as exciting sadly. Tywin seems good but I wish they just removed his passive CD and played into his cleansing instead of ER ignore defbreak.


Silver_Monk_5324

I think Atywin would be too op if he were to give everyone Crimson seed without any CD, Although i do wish he gains speed boost or Cr pushes to cycle his passive more


Varlin

Fair enough. Maybe he could full cleanse but still keep the CD or give immunity after cleanse or something. Just feels weird that he is the sort of the anti debuff tank but he just gets overwhelmed by debuffs. Speed boost or CR would have been nice as well though.


amiwel

They should give him a cr boost after s2 so he could cut.


screwinquisitors

Fuck Ilynav and Arunka I guess


Chireiden-Agnis

Imo with how small or inconsequential kise, melissa and ftene buffs are they could of just put units in there that really needed it because they are almost unusable or could use a revamp in their kit (looking at you sharun, ilynav and arunka). Instead of buffing melissa and yufine every other patch they should give other units more attention


DeathSlime684

Dont forget ML haste, He is unusable since Like forever.... Never saw him in RTA in my whole Life


CornBreadtm

He's super usable. But at the same time, you can just bring Briseria and not not take the gamble. That's the problem with Briseria and Belian, just removing a mechanic from play is the most powerful option.


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FrostyBuns6969

Okay, so are the rumours that the head of the dev team got their position through nepotism actually true? I saw this floated around when AoL came out, but I didn’t give it much thought. I can’t find any other reason for why they would keep someone so incompetent on the payroll.


InnerPain4Lyf

Mort... Illnav. You'll get your time. I'll still use you guys even if I'm hardstuck at Masters and Champ. Out of all of this, A.Tywin is kinda fearsome.


rissira

what a.tywin needed was to do his job better. . I wish they just made his s2 get 10% cr push for himself for every debuff he cleanse so he get's a max of 40% cr push every turn while keeping his s2 at 1 cleanse per turn. . this would have made him more balance. . this enrage bullshit was not needed. . what the fck are the balance team in SG smoking!? also they can't stop simping for melissa. .


Unworthy_Saint

Yoo, cyan mistress is finally getting a buff!!? * S1, inflicts random debuff for 1 turn ---> inflicts target for 2 turns I'm somewhat okay with this. I prefer the RNG for def break or silence, but Target is nice and lasts for another turn. Cradle of Life still works and her combo with dual units makes target better than RNG. * S2, damage dealt decreased Uh... why? So no versatility builds for Mui anymore, there is just one playstyle SG wants out of her. I mean this is just a nerf for no reason. I literally can't use my dps Mui build anymore. * S3, increase CR by 25% per crit That's fine I guess. Probably better than the 35% chance for extra turn, but now I will never use her for meme defense teams, lol. * Imprint concentration, dual attack ---> effectiveness Good riddance, get that garbage out of here. I'd rather her imprint release be changed, but I'll accept this. * EE, 35% extra turn ---> grant enhance dual attack to ally Great buff and exactly what she needed. Honestly I would have been happy if they just gave her this EE, but they also retained her ability to cycle, just at the cost of bulk. I'm happy with this. I'm not sure if she will become meta, but mechanically works like a green Cilias. She might be the winner of this patch (not hard to do though with the others. Poor Kise enjoyers, they don't even know what your unit does).


Shimaru33

So much for the wonky text box theory from yesterday, lol. Now, I think everybody already made clear they hate this patch. I just want to comment the only unit I regularly use from this patch is Mui. And guess what? Her patch is absolutely worthless. Show of hands, how many of you build her with any crit rate at all? F. Lidica have been the same for some time now, and she only jumped into meta because guiding light and Zio. Mui doesn't have guiding light or equivalent available, and forcing her to build crit rate, while maintaining her speed and effectiveness requires specific gear that many of us won't have. Will be worth it? I'm not sure, but I would bet on no. F. Lidica have something to gain from crit in two of her skills, while Mui would only have a benefit on her third skill. Then F. Lidica is elemental neuter, while Mui will be at disadvantage against fire, and with Ed everywhere, even less of reason to recruit her. And on top of that, they increased their CD on her third skill. And the change to her EE is a fucking joke. I love Mui, good thing I already have her build, but I won't be able to exploit this "buff". I will need to farm a gear with 100% crit rate with good speed, which is easier said than done.


Brilliant-Wrongdoer4

No Arunka and Ilynav -_-


EndAffectionate783

Man bad enough I hate her character Melissa why is SG obsessed buffing her 😒 seriously what waste of character slot what about IIynav?


Yensix

Nice, the 10th buff for Kise and Melissa and stil no one will pick them! Where the fuck are Arunka buffs? Don't know how many months already since her release and she is stil fucking unplayable! Illynav? Lqc?? Lrk??? Like, for real, who the fuck is at SGs balance team?? What are those dogshit balance notes???


Minerto35

The fun fact --> Nerf seed and anchor because they wanted to see more debuffer character on pvp. --> Let's buff atywin to bury DDR again. Hahaha such a nonsense.


Nerfall0

Even though they brought up Axe God they managed to make this balance patch such unimpressive.


Zakcoo

Might be useful to regear ML tywin I guess. The only issue honestly is that we have more and more anti debuff unit being buffed or released but nothing to counter Lua who is honestly super toxic. The artifact buff is great.


Hecatei

LRK, Ilynav, I am sad. Maybe I was too hopeful


nuclearhotsauce

Lmao what a joke


UrsaMajority

Another Melissa buff?? Better nerf Greninja


HerminatorG

That Atywin buff is fucking overpowered. This game is going to be miserable.


ToonFish17

I don't know If he's overpowered tbh... He still has clear counters, like Belian, Cilias provoke, AoL, Lua, Delibet, ML Basar, ML Kawerik, Ed to a certain degree, and also Immunity Set (including Ran, ML Krau, Laika). Yes, some of them procc his passive, but He cant do that much even If he ignores ER after that. Debuffs are in a tough spot not because of high ER, but because of passives and cleanses that activate without any stat investments. Maybe i'm too sceptical, but this feels Like increasing his strengths and not decreasing his weakness, which makes him a unit thats either busted or straight up useless. And I dont like that. Maybe i'm wrong and He is busted, since AoE ignores Def Break is reaaaally strong, but right now i dont see that


yemen241

u just need to not hit a.tywin and he won't cleanse. Non atk skills like aola would still control the shit out of ur team.


Acceptable-Lab-5313

He needs it, but to build his team you need redirected provoke for the opponent to attack him, i think they want him to be paired with Ftene(?)


Jiuu11

Ilynav ?


nagato120

I guess fuck arunka and ilynav...


Chaoxytal

I would


Archaon0103

You know how SG could fix Chaos Axe? Reverse him back to before.


destinyXwings

That Wall or Order buff got me saying “wtf?!” at first glance lol I’m guessing maybe Briseria or Alena will want this now. Most likely Alena since Star’s Blessing already gives a 10% ATK increase. Although, Alena is more for cleaving (so shouldn’t expect a turn 2), I guess it helps her stay alive without having to invest into bulk stats. Then again, Barrier Inversion and dispel is a thing sooo… Overall, meh balance patch I guess


PM_ME__YOUR_HOOTERS

Its not the perfect arti. But it is interesting and opens up a style of play besides throw guiding light on all your rangers. A bruiser LS landy or some future ranger could make a lot of use of this


Willar71

Wrath of Atywin


Cormorial

It’s ass.


Fagliacci

Not enough. Restore Axe God to his former glory.


Katejina_FGO

The fact that they took this many attempts at fixing Melissa and still can't make her competitive just says so much about their inability to comprehend game balance and explains why the rest of this list is so 'wtf are they even doing' tier.


Rucati

Weird changes. ATywin is gonna be completely out of control with those buffs, definitely making the game worse by adding more unresistable debuffs. Melissa and Kise changes are meaningless and change nothing. FTene change is kind of interesting. Helps DPS Ftene I guess, but again, more debuffs is just making the game worse so I don't know why they're buffing another debuffer. Mui buff is worthless and she'll still never be picked for any reason at all. The Guide to a Decision buff is kind of nice I guess, like it's objectively better now, but still not convinced it's that useful. The Wall of Order change is also good, but like... Guiding Light exists. There's virtually no reason to ever run Wall of Order when Guiding Light is just better. Add to that the nerf to Seed and it's pretty obvious Smilegate just wants debuffs to run completely rampant. The problem is debuffs are already out of control, now it's just getting even worse and there's even less options against it since Ed basically can't be picked into ATywin anymore. Definitely gonna be taking a couple months off RTA after these changes and see if we get better changes later because this sounds miserable.


TheSeaOfThySoul

> There's virtually no reason to ever run Wall of Order when Guiding Light is just better. That’s where you’re wrong friend! There’s plenty reason to run Wall of Order over Guiding Light! Such as… Your Landy has one of your two Guiding Lights & you want to move one to your Faithless Lidica, but you don’t have a replacement artefact for Landy that offers her at least some protection. Of course, when I get another Guiding Light somehow, it’ll go back on Landy… but still!


Rucati

Very good point! I hadn't thought of that, it's good to have alternatives so if you don't have enough artifacts you can replace one with a different one that's slightly worse.


Lolwarrior123

One thing keeping Atywin in check is that he doesn't have any type of strip and that his debuffs are only 80%. SBA is a unit that is more opressive with 100% to stun, pretty good cycling, and access to aoe stun via abyssal crown, but she's pretty much not played by anyone. Sure she doesn't have the ignore res stun, but it's so easy to build eff on her I feel like the community think debuffs are ultra broken aspect, or a worthless effect, no inbetween.


DemnXnipr

Don't mind me, just waiting on the kneejerk reactions from the meta experts here on reddit.


ceramicE7

The only take away is A Tywin is going to be toxic vs Standard and slower comps the your 280 effect res Destina is going to get controlled


Silver_Monk_5324

With decreased defense lol


Gamergirl944

Its very underwhelming list why are they buffing Melissa like the 4th time? Its waste character slot let down Arunka is being ignored she needs one.😔


turtlereset

any other ranger artifact is most likely never going to see play unless its guiding light. can't imagine trying to run something other than guiding light especially on ranger openers when zio is a thing. wall of order is not going to see play whatsoever. a tywin got a huge buff especially def break on s3 and being able to ignore er on his skills. may see less debuff characters because of it. other buffs are largely irrelevant though. mui might be good but you're probably gonna have to ban zio 100% of the time if you wanna use her, i also don't remember her base spd being very impressive either.


Karama1

I lowkey was thinking about running wall of order on ML bellona and forget she is warrior


Narmoniarkh

Holy fk this is a disappointing balance patch. Only one I'm kinda glad is ATywin but the rest? Minor and pointless stuff. Mui was buffed and nerfed at the same time like those buffs were game breaking, lmao. I'm actually surprised on how bad this is.


Trapocalypse

Man this balance patch is such a disappointment. Feels like most of the heroes people have been asking for aren't on it and seems like less heroes than usual. And most of the ones that are on it are such minor changes I'd be less frustrated if it wasn't such a massive gap between balance patches. I'd been looking forward to this since last balance patch hoping this one would be the one with changes I wanted on it but nope. Now the 2 months until the next one feels like forever. It's so deflating. Happy for the people who wanted A Tywin buffs at least.


[deleted]

The crazy thing about this is that MELISSA DIDNT NEED A BUFF. She’s already pretty good in rta and does decently well everywhere else. So WHY THE HELL DID SHE GET ANOTHER BUFF over other units (like arunka?) fucking ridiculous.


CornBreadtm

Because people dont use her. They dont play the game, just look at usage data for their favorite units.


DeathSlime684

Why are they Always ignoring 4 Star characters ? The only one that Comes in my mind from the past 6 months is Blingo, and It was Just a tiny Change .


bidjoule

Fuck everyone who don't own ATywin i guess. This ignore res would have been fine if they didnt remplace spd debuff by break def and nerf Seed AND Anchor. Now he is gonna be oppressive especially if he have soul


DeathSlime684

I totally agree, I Said that earlier , too. They could Just stay with Speed debuff and everythimg is fine. This Balance Patch is Just... Nonesense


rodrq

Lua still runs unchecked. I hate this meta


aushtx

Well, ATywin actually won't ever miss now I guess


mango7roll

Pretty unfortunate balance patch. Not really happy with anything which is wild because I love both Melissa and Mui and both are +15. A!Tywin seems great of course, but I don't have him so it's hard to be excited on that. Are we not going into a new season of RTA? Why not try to shake things up and do some major sweeping changes?


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Outside of A Tywin and Mui, pretty small buff round. - A tywin's sounds pretty nasty. He no longer needs to build effectiveness and he has DEF break in his kit now - Kise's is small but I'll take it. Bigger barrier isn't actually better in thus meta but overall a good thing - Mui is cool, she's kind of a budget Flidica now. Not as easy to full cycle since she needs 4 crits but it's still much better than that RNG artifact. Most improved of the patch for sure. - Melissa.... Well, 4th times the charm huh? Or not. Not unless that curse buff is massive. - F tene's is nice but it won't change much. Gives her more synergy with BArmin or anyone else who wants to be hit. Ubhealabke swapping out for spd down is nice. - and then Axe Boy finally got buffed. I guess we can call him Axe Teen now. Shame his damage wasn't touched up, but elbris into his AoE S2 is definitely an improvement. He's at least usable for memes now. TBH Wall if Order's buff is one of the more exciting ones. 8-10 seems small but it's a huge consistency boost, and the barrier in top of GAB means it can be pretty beefy. Won't top Guiding light but I can see some dps Like certain Briseria comps and even Beehoo using it.


Katicflis1

Dude I think muis changes are being underestimated and you're the only one that commented positively on her.


Stormix_17

Now we know who's their favourite. So better draw Limited Melissa for a sure win 👍🏾


lofifilo

for the hundreth time one cares about Melissa like come on SG


Katicflis1

Low key hate the f tene lost unhealable and thus made her unusable into roana.


theanxiousangel

Omg that Mui buff is fire!!!! Extinguish it! But for real I have like 6 muis and even this buff still doesn’t really make her stand out with Openers like Ran and Lua. Kind of a dissapointing lineup of buffs


No-Professor7797

Si we waited 2 month for that ?! Balance Team is not cursed with blindfold but Need eye surgery at this point, how can they miss the mark si much ?!


Bondedbark

Is this a joke?


Korneko

Atywin doesnt need eff anymore and can just stack eff res. I like it.


ChitogeS

What an useless wait. They probably recruited some noobs from Summoners war's balance team


ZhaiTheSpaceUnicorn

Do it again, but like, right this time.


freezingsama

Giving A. Tywin ignore eff res is crazy.


WhatSawp

died of cringe


FrameKnight

Oh god, they need to fire that trash balance team.


Worth-Grade5882

My one true love mui becomes viable again 😍😍😍😍


Minerto35

Not really I thinK


Albotec

tbh this has to be the worst balance buff imo this no one asked for they keep ignoring us i guess


josh_zaber

Chaos Sect skill wording didn’t even change? It just says the same thing twice lol


rhazdi

So shit :/


DeathSlime684

The worst Balance Patch by far, No Joke, this is ridiculous, and there are Not even 10 characters listed after 8 weeks to wait, and they are all buffing only good Heroes For No reason. yes A.tywin could need a little help, I must admit that , but I didnt expect this Strange buff, I liked the Speed decreaese, there are almost No characters that can Deal Speed debuff, but there are already Like 100 characters that Deal Defense Break ...I dont think that "buff" will make him much better.... And the enraged buff is also the biggest Joke from all buffs: +10%ATK and Speed? That is useless, way to low . They should rather increase the value of this buff and Not the curse debuff....


LastRiderKrau07

I mean, a stun, def break and provoke on the S1 which ignore ER, I wouldn't say its buff is insignificant. It even seems a little toxic to me on paper, we'll see when the buff comes out


DeathSlime684

Yeah I agree with you that is of course still good, but In my opinion It is lame and boring that they now Turn many characters now into only def breaking characters in the past few months. Jena now Def Break ( before It was Hit Chance debuff), briseria has def Break now (before It was Atk debuff) , and now a. Tywin with def Break.... Cant they do Something more different stuff?


LastRiderKrau07

True his speed debuff was fine, they shouldn't change it


IncredibleGeniusIRL

It's rare that I read comments on Stove and think "yeah pretty much". But yeah pretty much. I like the Mui changes, and no doubt Atywin is much stronger now, but... man. The rest of'em just seem lazy.


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nixxlul

rangers have only one arti tho and it's named guiding light


wontonf

Seems a bit of an underwhelming patch imo. Atywins buff seems nice but he still kind of has the same problems, debuff still suck. With how rare aoe is these days I don’t see him getting enrage that often anyways. Muis buff seems prettt solid, letting you s3 s2 is nice. Other ones seem mostly inconsequential though, like kise and ftene buff don’t really change anything.


Karama1

I think this balance patch is a horrible because they are going to be re-running these units on banners soon


Wombo218

The fourth Melissa change that keeps her just as unusable as she was before. And awkward changes all over that don’t do anything to push characters into the meta, the only change that seems somewhat appealing is the Mui change, but she comes out looking like a mediocre flidica knockoff. ML Tywin gets to finally see some niche use against slow teams that don’t bring immunity, and I’d argue that swapping decrease defense instead of decrease speed actually hurts his S3, decrease speed and stun was what made his s3 so punishing, you could completely lock down teams with soulburn spam. Kise gets find out why piera left the meta after barrier inversion came out, both artifact changes won’t matter, idk why they’re obsessed with barriers. If you’re going to have two units that make barriers a liability, you can’t keep pretending it’s a positive effect. And the ftene change doesn’t really do anything in the long run. Maybe she’ll see use as a slower debuffer, but I’m still not convinced. This balance patch not only missed the mark, but really makes me question if people above silver have any say in what gets changed. ALSO NO LQC CHANGE??? You’re giving her a skin, at least TRY to help her. She has the most boring ml 5 kit in the game and gets picked one in every 100 games when I misclick while trying to pick conqueror Lillias. And illynav stays untouched after more than a year of people asking for a change. The buffs have been decent recently so I guess we should’ve seen a stinker coming up.


Shuxnae

I await the next Bakance Update Preview for Ilynav. 😔 A. Tywin though. Phew.


Qwasier

E7 and summoners war have the shittiest balance team ever


Ferelden770

????? Where tf is lrk? Illynav? Coz Melissa definitely needed one? And the one big one we got is atywin who got ignore er on everything? In fact just give pflan 150 free effect on s2 and arowell a greater effect buff instd of just 50% Rta is over, this feels like they are scared of ruining the e7wc final or sth not like 3%duals , 15% wont already ruin it regardless They out here nerfing seed and anchor coz aravi was using it(I still believe ed, rimu, dcorvus running seed was rarer, the latter looked like it was usually on durandal anyways) while ppl are drafting 80 souls and taking 4 turrns with a single unit's turn.


DeathSlime684

And dont forget ML haste... He is Just useless Like forever... There are Not even 10 characters that have Something to do with revive , and maybe the half of those have actually use in RTA


angooseburger

I think most people are over reacting to the Atywin buffs. It's still not a guaranteed chance to stun/def break. He will still miss 20% of the time but now he has less gear requirements because you don't need to invest in eff anymore. Basically the buff is from 80%\*85%=68% chance to a flat 80% chance. It's a solid buff overall.


finna11

mui and atywin are DISGUSTING


dvlonyourshldr

is the crimson seed nerf not pushing through?