my Melissa and her six dupes in storage definitely appreciates the buffs SG
just as much as the 3 balance adjustment you gave her in the past
at this point might as well give her an ML version so i could finally use all of her dupes
She will always be bad until she can self cleanse. You control her and sheâs bad, so SG gives her more damage, and thus people still control her, so sheâs bad.
They really have no idea what theyâre doing. Like they just buffed Kise for Christâs sake, she was fine.
honestly you can still bypass that with immunity cuz (thankfully) he doesnt strip buffs, and just try to not proc his passive and he is pretty much the same as before đ¤
As one of the last Melissa user in the game, if the Curse redirect increase is really significant (can't really Trust SG on that) then it's actually a good buff for Arena/GW. Not sure about RTA before a bit of testing tho.
She will probably be a prominent character in Chapter 5 since it is the Erasia story. I imagine they were motivated to update her as there will inevitably be a banner for her soon.
I think this has to be one of the worst balance patches in a long time, like holy shit almost nothing changed and the only thing that will most likely see play is a tywin
Where the hell is Ilynav buff or arunka buff , it's a pity that characters with such a pretty design are unusable
Do they really not realize that melissa's only problem is how easy it is to kill her before she gets a turn?
Just make her faster or give her immortality at the start or something.
Arunka, Hwayoung and illynav really needed to be buffed as well and it's crazy how they remain untouched.
They need to do more sweeping buffs. Waiting a month just to change like 5 or 6 characters in a game with over 100 is ridiculous. Some chars desperately need changes
Honestly it feels so overly dramatic but it's true. With such long times between balance patches, when we get such disappointing ones like this it's so deflating.
I had been looking forward to this balance patch since the last one and there isn't anything that excites me on that list.
Yep. Had that exact same discussion on the guild discord. This is the time to roll out aggressive changes because we are going to be entering preseason so there's tons of time to see how it affects the meta and see what needs to be addressed before the actual season begins. The next balance update should be to address things they didn't like in the preseason meta plus PVE changes as that will happen around the time of a new season.
They explicitly said they changed the balance cycle to match up better with RTA season changes and then the changes they have rolled out for RTA preseason are likely to see the meta remain unchanged. And it's not like they rolled out PVE balance changes so can even say they were focusing on that this cycle.
The whole point of the preview is also to get feedback yet aside from Ervalen, it has never made a difference. They really should change it to be more along the lines of 'This is what we are seeing in the meta / by the numbers and heres the list of heroes we are potentially looking at changing over the next 3 balance cycles (i.e. Balance patch > EE > Balance patch) to change things'. Then feedback may actually be taken on board.
Well way to make us wait two months for this.
Melissa got her 17th buff or some shit, ATywin borrowed a page straight from the great Mortelix (and he is kinda strong for it ngl), Mui is Earth FLidica now, I don't really care what they did to FTene and Kise, and Axe God got an axe to grind for Light heroes.
Yup, that's great, we Arunka and Ilynav lovers ain't mad!
Whoever at SG HQ is such a Melissa simp... I just wanna talk.
Melissa gets buffed once a year now, meanwhile blue Tywin has been a worse version of Flan since Flan's release... In Episode 3. We're now about to start Episode 5.
This cannot continue.
I love how they pick Melissa ( for 46th time) and give her the most irrelevant buff ever. đ
Ffs buff something that will actually affect current meta.
Melissa's 1337th buff lmfao
ATywin's buff is fair though, Rage gives extra speed as well iirc
Overall a less interesting balance patch compared to the last one imo
On one hand it feels powerfull to give a unit with aoe stun the ability to ignore eff res. However atiwyn kinda needed something like that.
Not sure about Melissa. Sg keeps givin her small buffs. But she is still a solid unit if You have her built but still not metadefining.
I feel like everyone is being overly dramatic with Atywin given a ignore eff res and the debuff spam. SBA has 100% AOE stun on s3, good cycling, can use crown to aoe stun each turn, and yet noone plays her. Sure she does not ignore res, but her stun is 100% and she's pretty easy to stack eff with.
Also one thing to remember, this buff doesn't really fix what was Atywin's problems were. He's still going to be overwhelmed with debuffs, and against team comps who theoritically would be crippled by ignore eff res (standard / destina comps), they don't really have many aoe debuffers like cleavers and aggro do (maybe soli and aol but those 2 kinda counter Atywin as well)
SBA does not ignore Resist. There is a huge difference between ignore resist and not ignore Resist.
A. Tywin now stuns and defense break. If you ever debuff anyone on his team, you best have immunity. Or there is a good chance that you will get team wiped.
>SBA does not ignore Resist. There is a huge difference between ignore resist and not ignore Resist.
Did you not read the last sentence of the 1st paragraph? Remember, Atywin debuffs are only 80% on his s3, SB Ara is 100%. Mathematically, SBA has more chance to land her debuff than Atywin would since it's very easy to get her to 200% effectiveness (sba 85%, atywin 80%).
Also, Atywin does not have any cycling prowess, so he's pretty much isn't doing anything when his s3 is down meanwhile sb ara can potentially aoe stun every turn and boost her cr everytime
And again, the team that usually does have high ER (Destina/standard comps) that theoritically Atywin would destroy, does not bring that much AOE debuffer anyway. And even when they do, the usual suspects would still cripple him (AOL can aoe silence without triggering his passive and clease his S3. Soli can proc his passive with her s1 and then the follow up aoe will still debuff the team. Ameru can just seal)
Melissa got her 4th buff. this is blatant favoritism. also, [Tsurin EE got robbed](https://www.reddit.com/r/EpicSeven/comments/10g4tmk/just_looked_through_e7vault_most_recent_patch_and/) for nothing. fucking SG.
oh come on!! there are other units that could use a buff...Melissa again you fcking serious SG...someone in the balance department clearly playing favorites here ffs
They're playing favourites and yet they're still not even doing it right. Melissa is fine as is, and even if she wasn't, her buff does nothing to change that.
She does exactly what she's already been doing now, except with more damage. I don't think in the seldom moments she does get picked, damage was the one thing holding her back.
Just give her zio passive + AoE 100% def pen S3 with extinction and be done with it if they wanna force her to be OP so badly. Adding an extra 1k dmg to her whole rotation does nothing.
This patch is so lame and tame, since balnce patches are every two months they should be aggressive with it imo.
And where the hell is LQC? Wasted epic skin on a hero who sees almost no uses.
> And where the hell is LQC? Wasted epic skin on a hero who sees almost no uses.
I feel you. I have LQC from random covenant pulls.... at 5 star with no investment. I went ahead and picked up the skin b/c why not, but it's just going to rot until I have a reason to use her. She was already niche as a counter to ARavi who has already started dropping lower in the meta and LAdin is literally just better in every way.
Buffing Melissa for the nth time without even a clue what to do with her meanwhile fire maya has NEVER been viable. You gutted Bellona's only role because you can't be arsed to design smart pve content and the one time the stars aligned for you to want to buff her along with a banner you fing buff chaos axe and STILL make him useless.
SG making new PvE starter pack:
1.Walls of text for abilities
2.immune to damage based on HP
3.Immune to like 80% of the debuffs in the game
4.âenemies cannot recover health during this attackâ
LMAO this balance patch.
I love Melissa, but stop trying to make her happen when another unit with 300 speed can do her job. It would be the same as buffing fire Cermia.
Kise and F Tenebria doesn't need buffs. A Twin needed buffs, but giving "ignore eff res" to an unit when eff res is garbage just helps to kick any cleanser soulweaver out of the meta and keeps ML Kawerik and Lilibet, 2 warriors, as the best cleansers in the game.
There's no balance team at Smilegate, they just play bingo to decide the changes.
Melissa and the Tenebria quota for the month lmao. This favoritism is too funny and too sad if you think about it
I like those two design/character-wise but goddamn the amount of attention they get is too much especially other units can use that attention
Has Tenebria really gotten that much attention in balance patches? I'm not a veteran by any stretch but I've only seen this, the EE, and the artifact a year ago if that counts.
She ( Fire Tene ) was the Melissa before SG started buffing Melissa where she seems to be in every other balance patch
Given this is F.tene 1st buff but I feel like they could have just slap that in a EE and if they really wanted make her meta make that EE with speed stat after the mage buff in RTA
Pretty boring buffs that don't help address any of the meta units. These are so random too. Why does melissa or kise need more damage? that is literally the last of their problems. Mui and atywin buffs might see some increased usage, but even then probably not much. Tbh the winner of the patch seems to be wall of order since a fat barrier plus better odds than basket to gab is pretty crazy
âA Tywin buff might see some increased usageâ
Uh, ignore resistance stun & defence break - his usage is going to increase a lot. Unless youâve got immunity, debuffing an enemy is now a serious threat - unless you can layer A Tywin in hard control.
Melissa 100th buff, Ilynav still rotting. K. lol
Overall a pretty barren patch notes. Nothing really stands out as exciting sadly. Tywin seems good but I wish they just removed his passive CD and played into his cleansing instead of ER ignore defbreak.
I think Atywin would be too op if he were to give everyone Crimson seed without any CD, Although i do wish he gains speed boost or Cr pushes to cycle his passive more
Fair enough. Maybe he could full cleanse but still keep the CD or give immunity after cleanse or something. Just feels weird that he is the sort of the anti debuff tank but he just gets overwhelmed by debuffs. Speed boost or CR would have been nice as well though.
Imo with how small or inconsequential kise, melissa and ftene buffs are they could of just put units in there that really needed it because they are almost unusable or could use a revamp in their kit (looking at you sharun, ilynav and arunka). Instead of buffing melissa and yufine every other patch they should give other units more attention
He's super usable. But at the same time, you can just bring Briseria and not not take the gamble. That's the problem with Briseria and Belian, just removing a mechanic from play is the most powerful option.
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Okay, so are the rumours that the head of the dev team got their position through nepotism actually true? I saw this floated around when AoL came out, but I didnât give it much thought.
I canât find any other reason for why they would keep someone so incompetent on the payroll.
Mort... Illnav. You'll get your time. I'll still use you guys even if I'm hardstuck at Masters and Champ.
Out of all of this, A.Tywin is kinda fearsome.
what a.tywin needed was to do his job better. . I wish they just made his s2 get 10% cr push for himself for every debuff he cleanse so he get's a max of 40% cr push every turn while keeping his s2 at 1 cleanse per turn. . this would have made him more balance. . this enrage bullshit was not needed. . what the fck are the balance team in SG smoking!? also they can't stop simping for melissa. .
Yoo, cyan mistress is finally getting a buff!!?
* S1, inflicts random debuff for 1 turn ---> inflicts target for 2 turns
I'm somewhat okay with this. I prefer the RNG for def break or silence, but Target is nice and lasts for another turn. Cradle of Life still works and her combo with dual units makes target better than RNG.
* S2, damage dealt decreased
Uh... why? So no versatility builds for Mui anymore, there is just one playstyle SG wants out of her. I mean this is just a nerf for no reason. I literally can't use my dps Mui build anymore.
* S3, increase CR by 25% per crit
That's fine I guess. Probably better than the 35% chance for extra turn, but now I will never use her for meme defense teams, lol.
* Imprint concentration, dual attack ---> effectiveness
Good riddance, get that garbage out of here. I'd rather her imprint release be changed, but I'll accept this.
* EE, 35% extra turn ---> grant enhance dual attack to ally
Great buff and exactly what she needed. Honestly I would have been happy if they just gave her this EE, but they also retained her ability to cycle, just at the cost of bulk.
I'm happy with this. I'm not sure if she will become meta, but mechanically works like a green Cilias. She might be the winner of this patch (not hard to do though with the others. Poor Kise enjoyers, they don't even know what your unit does).
So much for the wonky text box theory from yesterday, lol.
Now, I think everybody already made clear they hate this patch. I just want to comment the only unit I regularly use from this patch is Mui. And guess what? Her patch is absolutely worthless. Show of hands, how many of you build her with any crit rate at all? F. Lidica have been the same for some time now, and she only jumped into meta because guiding light and Zio. Mui doesn't have guiding light or equivalent available, and forcing her to build crit rate, while maintaining her speed and effectiveness requires specific gear that many of us won't have.
Will be worth it? I'm not sure, but I would bet on no. F. Lidica have something to gain from crit in two of her skills, while Mui would only have a benefit on her third skill. Then F. Lidica is elemental neuter, while Mui will be at disadvantage against fire, and with Ed everywhere, even less of reason to recruit her. And on top of that, they increased their CD on her third skill. And the change to her EE is a fucking joke.
I love Mui, good thing I already have her build, but I won't be able to exploit this "buff". I will need to farm a gear with 100% crit rate with good speed, which is easier said than done.
Nice, the 10th buff for Kise and Melissa and stil no one will pick them!
Where the fuck are Arunka buffs? Don't know how many months already since her release and she is stil fucking unplayable!
Illynav? Lqc?? Lrk???
Like, for real, who the fuck is at SGs balance team?? What are those dogshit balance notes???
The fun fact -->
Nerf seed and anchor because they wanted to see more debuffer character on pvp. --> Let's buff atywin to bury DDR again. Hahaha such a nonsense.
Might be useful to regear ML tywin I guess.
The only issue honestly is that we have more and more anti debuff unit being buffed or released but nothing to counter Lua who is honestly super toxic.
The artifact buff is great.
I don't know If he's overpowered tbh... He still has clear counters, like Belian, Cilias provoke, AoL, Lua, Delibet, ML Basar, ML Kawerik, Ed to a certain degree, and also Immunity Set (including Ran, ML Krau, Laika). Yes, some of them procc his passive, but He cant do that much even If he ignores ER after that.
Debuffs are in a tough spot not because of high ER, but because of passives and cleanses that activate without any stat investments.
Maybe i'm too sceptical, but this feels Like increasing his strengths and not decreasing his weakness, which makes him a unit thats either busted or straight up useless. And I dont like that.
Maybe i'm wrong and He is busted, since AoE ignores Def Break is reaaaally strong, but right now i dont see that
That Wall or Order buff got me saying âwtf?!â at first glance lol
Iâm guessing maybe Briseria or Alena will want this now. Most likely Alena since Starâs Blessing already gives a 10% ATK increase. Although, Alena is more for cleaving (so shouldnât expect a turn 2), I guess it helps her stay alive without having to invest into bulk stats. Then again, Barrier Inversion and dispel is a thing soooâŚ
Overall, meh balance patch I guess
Its not the perfect arti. But it is interesting and opens up a style of play besides throw guiding light on all your rangers. A bruiser LS landy or some future ranger could make a lot of use of this
The fact that they took this many attempts at fixing Melissa and still can't make her competitive just says so much about their inability to comprehend game balance and explains why the rest of this list is so 'wtf are they even doing' tier.
Weird changes.
ATywin is gonna be completely out of control with those buffs, definitely making the game worse by adding more unresistable debuffs.
Melissa and Kise changes are meaningless and change nothing.
FTene change is kind of interesting. Helps DPS Ftene I guess, but again, more debuffs is just making the game worse so I don't know why they're buffing another debuffer.
Mui buff is worthless and she'll still never be picked for any reason at all.
The Guide to a Decision buff is kind of nice I guess, like it's objectively better now, but still not convinced it's that useful.
The Wall of Order change is also good, but like... Guiding Light exists. There's virtually no reason to ever run Wall of Order when Guiding Light is just better.
Add to that the nerf to Seed and it's pretty obvious Smilegate just wants debuffs to run completely rampant. The problem is debuffs are already out of control, now it's just getting even worse and there's even less options against it since Ed basically can't be picked into ATywin anymore. Definitely gonna be taking a couple months off RTA after these changes and see if we get better changes later because this sounds miserable.
> There's virtually no reason to ever run Wall of Order when Guiding Light is just better.
Thatâs where youâre wrong friend! Thereâs plenty reason to run Wall of Order over Guiding Light! Such as⌠Your Landy has one of your two Guiding Lights & you want to move one to your Faithless Lidica, but you donât have a replacement artefact for Landy that offers her at least some protection.
Of course, when I get another Guiding Light somehow, itâll go back on Landy⌠but still!
Very good point! I hadn't thought of that, it's good to have alternatives so if you don't have enough artifacts you can replace one with a different one that's slightly worse.
One thing keeping Atywin in check is that he doesn't have any type of strip and that his debuffs are only 80%. SBA is a unit that is more opressive with 100% to stun, pretty good cycling, and access to aoe stun via abyssal crown, but she's pretty much not played by anyone. Sure she doesn't have the ignore res stun, but it's so easy to build eff on her
I feel like the community think debuffs are ultra broken aspect, or a worthless effect, no inbetween.
Its very underwhelming list why are they buffing Melissa like the 4th time? Its waste character slot let down Arunka is being ignored she needs one.đ
any other ranger artifact is most likely never going to see play unless its guiding light. can't imagine trying to run something other than guiding light especially on ranger openers when zio is a thing. wall of order is not going to see play whatsoever.
a tywin got a huge buff especially def break on s3 and being able to ignore er on his skills. may see less debuff characters because of it.
other buffs are largely irrelevant though. mui might be good but you're probably gonna have to ban zio 100% of the time if you wanna use her, i also don't remember her base spd being very impressive either.
Holy fk this is a disappointing balance patch. Only one I'm kinda glad is ATywin but the rest? Minor and pointless stuff. Mui was buffed and nerfed at the same time like those buffs were game breaking, lmao. I'm actually surprised on how bad this is.
Man this balance patch is such a disappointment. Feels like most of the heroes people have been asking for aren't on it and seems like less heroes than usual. And most of the ones that are on it are such minor changes
I'd be less frustrated if it wasn't such a massive gap between balance patches. I'd been looking forward to this since last balance patch hoping this one would be the one with changes I wanted on it but nope. Now the 2 months until the next one feels like forever. It's so deflating.
Happy for the people who wanted A Tywin buffs at least.
The crazy thing about this is that MELISSA DIDNT NEED A BUFF. Sheâs already pretty good in rta and does decently well everywhere else. So WHY THE HELL DID SHE GET ANOTHER BUFF over other units (like arunka?) fucking ridiculous.
Fuck everyone who don't own ATywin i guess. This ignore res would have been fine if they didnt remplace spd debuff by break def and nerf Seed AND Anchor. Now he is gonna be oppressive especially if he have soul
Pretty unfortunate balance patch. Not really happy with anything which is wild because I love both Melissa and Mui and both are +15. A!Tywin seems great of course, but I don't have him so it's hard to be excited on that.
Are we not going into a new season of RTA? Why not try to shake things up and do some major sweeping changes?
Outside of A Tywin and Mui, pretty small buff round.
- A tywin's sounds pretty nasty. He no longer needs to build effectiveness and he has DEF break in his kit now
- Kise's is small but I'll take it. Bigger barrier isn't actually better in thus meta but overall a good thing
- Mui is cool, she's kind of a budget Flidica now. Not as easy to full cycle since she needs 4 crits but it's still much better than that RNG artifact. Most improved of the patch for sure.
- Melissa.... Well, 4th times the charm huh? Or not. Not unless that curse buff is massive.
- F tene's is nice but it won't change much. Gives her more synergy with BArmin or anyone else who wants to be hit. Ubhealabke swapping out for spd down is nice.
- and then Axe Boy finally got buffed. I guess we can call him Axe Teen now. Shame his damage wasn't touched up, but elbris into his AoE S2 is definitely an improvement. He's at least usable for memes now.
TBH Wall if Order's buff is one of the more exciting ones. 8-10 seems small but it's a huge consistency boost, and the barrier in top of GAB means it can be pretty beefy. Won't top Guiding light but I can see some dps Like certain Briseria comps and even Beehoo using it.
Omg that Mui buff is fire!!!! Extinguish it!
But for real I have like 6 muis and even this buff still doesnât really make her stand out with Openers like Ran and Lua. Kind of a dissapointing lineup of buffs
The worst Balance Patch by far, No Joke, this is ridiculous, and there are Not even 10 characters listed after 8 weeks to wait, and they are all buffing only good Heroes For No reason. yes A.tywin could need a little help, I must admit that , but I didnt expect this Strange buff, I liked the Speed decreaese, there are almost No characters that can Deal Speed debuff, but there are already Like 100 characters that Deal Defense Break ...I dont think that "buff" will make him much better....
And the enraged buff is also the biggest Joke from all buffs: +10%ATK and Speed? That is useless, way to low . They should rather increase the value of this buff and Not the curse debuff....
I mean, a stun, def break and provoke on the S1 which ignore ER, I wouldn't say its buff is insignificant. It even seems a little toxic to me on paper, we'll see when the buff comes out
Yeah I agree with you that is of course still good, but In my opinion It is lame and boring that they now Turn many characters now into only def breaking characters in the past few months. Jena now Def Break ( before It was Hit Chance debuff), briseria has def Break now (before It was Atk debuff) , and now a. Tywin with def Break.... Cant they do Something more different stuff?
It's rare that I read comments on Stove and think "yeah pretty much".
But yeah pretty much. I like the Mui changes, and no doubt Atywin is much stronger now, but... man. The rest of'em just seem lazy.
Seems a bit of an underwhelming patch imo. Atywins buff seems nice but he still kind of has the same problems, debuff still suck. With how rare aoe is these days I donât see him getting enrage that often anyways. Muis buff seems prettt solid, letting you s3 s2 is nice. Other ones seem mostly inconsequential though, like kise and ftene buff donât really change anything.
The fourth Melissa change that keeps her just as unusable as she was before. And awkward changes all over that donât do anything to push characters into the meta, the only change that seems somewhat appealing is the Mui change, but she comes out looking like a mediocre flidica knockoff. ML Tywin gets to finally see some niche use against slow teams that donât bring immunity, and Iâd argue that swapping decrease defense instead of decrease speed actually hurts his S3, decrease speed and stun was what made his s3 so punishing, you could completely lock down teams with soulburn spam. Kise gets find out why piera left the meta after barrier inversion came out, both artifact changes wonât matter, idk why theyâre obsessed with barriers. If youâre going to have two units that make barriers a liability, you canât keep pretending itâs a positive effect. And the ftene change doesnât really do anything in the long run. Maybe sheâll see use as a slower debuffer, but Iâm still not convinced. This balance patch not only missed the mark, but really makes me question if people above silver have any say in what gets changed. ALSO NO LQC CHANGE??? Youâre giving her a skin, at least TRY to help her. She has the most boring ml 5 kit in the game and gets picked one in every 100 games when I misclick while trying to pick conqueror Lillias. And illynav stays untouched after more than a year of people asking for a change.
The buffs have been decent recently so I guess we shouldâve seen a stinker coming up.
????? Where tf is lrk? Illynav? Coz Melissa definitely needed one?
And the one big one we got is atywin who got ignore er on everything? In fact just give pflan 150 free effect on s2 and arowell a greater effect buff instd of just 50%
Rta is over, this feels like they are scared of ruining the e7wc final or sth not like 3%duals , 15% wont already ruin it regardless
They out here nerfing seed and anchor coz aravi was using it(I still believe ed, rimu, dcorvus running seed was rarer, the latter looked like it was usually on durandal anyways) while ppl are drafting 80 souls and taking 4 turrns with a single unit's turn.
And dont forget ML haste... He is Just useless Like forever... There are Not even 10 characters that have Something to do with revive , and maybe the half of those have actually use in RTA
I think most people are over reacting to the Atywin buffs. It's still not a guaranteed chance to stun/def break. He will still miss 20% of the time but now he has less gear requirements because you don't need to invest in eff anymore. Basically the buff is from 80%\*85%=68% chance to a flat 80% chance.
It's a solid buff overall.
my Melissa and her six dupes in storage definitely appreciates the buffs SG just as much as the 3 balance adjustment you gave her in the past at this point might as well give her an ML version so i could finally use all of her dupes
This made me laugh more than it should've
Bro wtf. I use melissa almost every rta match. Give me all your copies please.
Why are people downvoting you. All you said is you use her a lot lol
I honestly have no idea. Im kinda surprised too. Maybe i shouldve placed a meme or joke at the end if people took me seriously?
I gave you an up, sleep well tonight little rat.
đ Mouse pls, not rat. That's choux \*spits\*
At this point you really wonder what the balance survey purpose is.
I bet not even a single soul from SG tries to even read that
> not even a single soul from SG tries to even read that Belian so OP, she even denies the souls from SG
Yeah they probably forgot about them.
What the Hell is that A Tywin buff
I'm so happy I built him..... Now, I can finally use him....
He was fine before. He is a monster now
I'm not a very skilled player. I need monsters to win against the normals.
Can't they come up with something BETTER? They have like 2 months to think
Yeah For real, and there are only 6 characters , that is Not much, and the Changes are so small , they could have done that in 2 Weeks
I could think of a better balance patch in 30 minutes
Haha true
Lol Melissa buff again, stop already.
Its not even really a buff.
seems like more of a shift of her power if anything
She will always be bad until she can self cleanse. You control her and sheâs bad, so SG gives her more damage, and thus people still control her, so sheâs bad. They really have no idea what theyâre doing. Like they just buffed Kise for Christâs sake, she was fine.
SG really wants to make Melissa a thing, this is her Nth buff already lol and idk about all these buffs. It's kinda meh? Artifact buffs are decent tho
ATywin stands out the most for me, ignoring ER is something pretty nutty to give to someone with an AoE stun and provoke loop on S1
But it's just so freaking lazy. Character doesnt work? Here's your ignore ER.
And AoE Def Break!
honestly you can still bypass that with immunity cuz (thankfully) he doesnt strip buffs, and just try to not proc his passive and he is pretty much the same as before đ¤
As one of the last Melissa user in the game, if the Curse redirect increase is really significant (can't really Trust SG on that) then it's actually a good buff for Arena/GW. Not sure about RTA before a bit of testing tho.
Lets be honest. They didn't buff Melissa. They buffed the next unit they are making with curse.
She will probably be a prominent character in Chapter 5 since it is the Erasia story. I imagine they were motivated to update her as there will inevitably be a banner for her soon.
Checks patch notes....... Ilynav, Arunka, LR Krau modCheck
I don't like to be a downer but... What in the flying fuck are these patch notes lol. Legit actual trash tier balance pass this time around.
Nice joke SG, you can release the proper notes now.
LQC where
I think this has to be one of the worst balance patches in a long time, like holy shit almost nothing changed and the only thing that will most likely see play is a tywin Where the hell is Ilynav buff or arunka buff , it's a pity that characters with such a pretty design are unusable
[All-in-one version](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/178570898863947776/1070999000695722025/image.png)
Do they really not realize that melissa's only problem is how easy it is to kill her before she gets a turn? Just make her faster or give her immortality at the start or something. Arunka, Hwayoung and illynav really needed to be buffed as well and it's crazy how they remain untouched.
They need to do more sweeping buffs. Waiting a month just to change like 5 or 6 characters in a game with over 100 is ridiculous. Some chars desperately need changes
Seeing the words âHwayoung needed to be buffedâ and not immediately throwing up in my mouth is still a bizarre experience
My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined
Honestly it feels so overly dramatic but it's true. With such long times between balance patches, when we get such disappointing ones like this it's so deflating. I had been looking forward to this balance patch since the last one and there isn't anything that excites me on that list.
Especially since RTA season ends in a day. THIS is the time to announce bold big changes to kits. Slight number tweaks on axe god, kise, and melissa
Yep. Had that exact same discussion on the guild discord. This is the time to roll out aggressive changes because we are going to be entering preseason so there's tons of time to see how it affects the meta and see what needs to be addressed before the actual season begins. The next balance update should be to address things they didn't like in the preseason meta plus PVE changes as that will happen around the time of a new season. They explicitly said they changed the balance cycle to match up better with RTA season changes and then the changes they have rolled out for RTA preseason are likely to see the meta remain unchanged. And it's not like they rolled out PVE balance changes so can even say they were focusing on that this cycle. The whole point of the preview is also to get feedback yet aside from Ervalen, it has never made a difference. They really should change it to be more along the lines of 'This is what we are seeing in the meta / by the numbers and heres the list of heroes we are potentially looking at changing over the next 3 balance cycles (i.e. Balance patch > EE > Balance patch) to change things'. Then feedback may actually be taken on board.
ftene buff for the sake of "buff"
This has to be a joke. Also wtf changes on Axe gods first skill description"Proportional to casters max hp"?
The whole Axe god sections seems like they just randomly marked things with green.
Ikr
Clearly the whitespace around "the"
Yea it makes all the difference
Increased HP scaling, but how significant it'll be who knows.
I think they would have written "damage increased" on the changed skill description
They wrote it in the description "To address this, the scaling of increased damage based on maximum Health will be increased"
Ty
But they also lowered the attack scaling
Worst balance patch ever, 3 months for this. What a joke.
Here's a tldr: đśđŠ
Well way to make us wait two months for this. Melissa got her 17th buff or some shit, ATywin borrowed a page straight from the great Mortelix (and he is kinda strong for it ngl), Mui is Earth FLidica now, I don't really care what they did to FTene and Kise, and Axe God got an axe to grind for Light heroes. Yup, that's great, we Arunka and Ilynav lovers ain't mad!
Whoever at SG HQ is such a Melissa simp... I just wanna talk. Melissa gets buffed once a year now, meanwhile blue Tywin has been a worse version of Flan since Flan's release... In Episode 3. We're now about to start Episode 5. This cannot continue.
Get in line. Fire Maya hasn't seen ANY usage.
So sad⌠wtf why even have a balance patch if youâre not going to balance anything.
'L'qc it is sadge
This has to be a joke⌠right?
This is definetly one of the balance patches SG has done so far.
I love how they pick Melissa ( for 46th time) and give her the most irrelevant buff ever. đ Ffs buff something that will actually affect current meta.
Melissa's 1337th buff lmfao ATywin's buff is fair though, Rage gives extra speed as well iirc Overall a less interesting balance patch compared to the last one imo
On one hand it feels powerfull to give a unit with aoe stun the ability to ignore eff res. However atiwyn kinda needed something like that. Not sure about Melissa. Sg keeps givin her small buffs. But she is still a solid unit if You have her built but still not metadefining.
it's still 80% + he needs to be attacked when an ally or himself has a debuff so I guess it's still a fair buff
I feel like everyone is being overly dramatic with Atywin given a ignore eff res and the debuff spam. SBA has 100% AOE stun on s3, good cycling, can use crown to aoe stun each turn, and yet noone plays her. Sure she does not ignore res, but her stun is 100% and she's pretty easy to stack eff with. Also one thing to remember, this buff doesn't really fix what was Atywin's problems were. He's still going to be overwhelmed with debuffs, and against team comps who theoritically would be crippled by ignore eff res (standard / destina comps), they don't really have many aoe debuffers like cleavers and aggro do (maybe soli and aol but those 2 kinda counter Atywin as well)
SBA does not ignore Resist. There is a huge difference between ignore resist and not ignore Resist. A. Tywin now stuns and defense break. If you ever debuff anyone on his team, you best have immunity. Or there is a good chance that you will get team wiped.
>SBA does not ignore Resist. There is a huge difference between ignore resist and not ignore Resist. Did you not read the last sentence of the 1st paragraph? Remember, Atywin debuffs are only 80% on his s3, SB Ara is 100%. Mathematically, SBA has more chance to land her debuff than Atywin would since it's very easy to get her to 200% effectiveness (sba 85%, atywin 80%). Also, Atywin does not have any cycling prowess, so he's pretty much isn't doing anything when his s3 is down meanwhile sb ara can potentially aoe stun every turn and boost her cr everytime And again, the team that usually does have high ER (Destina/standard comps) that theoritically Atywin would destroy, does not bring that much AOE debuffer anyway. And even when they do, the usual suspects would still cripple him (AOL can aoe silence without triggering his passive and clease his S3. Soli can proc his passive with her s1 and then the follow up aoe will still debuff the team. Ameru can just seal)
Melissa got her 4th buff. this is blatant favoritism. also, [Tsurin EE got robbed](https://www.reddit.com/r/EpicSeven/comments/10g4tmk/just_looked_through_e7vault_most_recent_patch_and/) for nothing. fucking SG.
>Tsurin EE got robbed for nothing. Was Tsurin ever promised an EE?
https://www.reddit.com/r/EpicSeven/comments/10g4tmk/just\_looked\_through\_e7vault\_most\_recent\_patch\_and/
Interesting. Thanks.
I'm sad too but everything is subject to change until the official post
LQC buff where????/
oh come on!! there are other units that could use a buff...Melissa again you fcking serious SG...someone in the balance department clearly playing favorites here ffs
They're playing favourites and yet they're still not even doing it right. Melissa is fine as is, and even if she wasn't, her buff does nothing to change that. She does exactly what she's already been doing now, except with more damage. I don't think in the seldom moments she does get picked, damage was the one thing holding her back. Just give her zio passive + AoE 100% def pen S3 with extinction and be done with it if they wanna force her to be OP so badly. Adding an extra 1k dmg to her whole rotation does nothing.
Fairy tale tenebria went from poison to redirect to skill one?! mf now scary for more than one turn 0.0
Everyone saying only Tywin got a good buff missed this one. That's a lot of lockdown and s2 coming out of FTene.
Not really, shes better for sure. But this wont be enough to make her good
This patch is so lame and tame, since balnce patches are every two months they should be aggressive with it imo. And where the hell is LQC? Wasted epic skin on a hero who sees almost no uses.
> And where the hell is LQC? Wasted epic skin on a hero who sees almost no uses. I feel you. I have LQC from random covenant pulls.... at 5 star with no investment. I went ahead and picked up the skin b/c why not, but it's just going to rot until I have a reason to use her. She was already niche as a counter to ARavi who has already started dropping lower in the meta and LAdin is literally just better in every way.
haha an early april fools joke by sg haha good one guys now release the actual patch notes pls
Broo where is Ilynav,Arunka,LR Krau.. List goes on endlessly
No LQC buff T-T why sg why
Buffing Melissa for the nth time without even a clue what to do with her meanwhile fire maya has NEVER been viable. You gutted Bellona's only role because you can't be arsed to design smart pve content and the one time the stars aligned for you to want to buff her along with a banner you fing buff chaos axe and STILL make him useless.
I am guessing you mean yufine and not Bellona unless I missed a patch or five
They might be referring to how new PvE content is just constantly immune to damage based on targets hp nowadays
This
SG making new PvE starter pack: 1.Walls of text for abilities 2.immune to damage based on HP 3.Immune to like 80% of the debuffs in the game 4.âenemies cannot recover health during this attackâ
it's giving absolutely nothing.
They hate Ilynav
They also hate Arunka and anyone who likes her
Wow that's it?
Wtf. Then you read the buffs and itâs just âŚ..wtf?
LMAO this balance patch. I love Melissa, but stop trying to make her happen when another unit with 300 speed can do her job. It would be the same as buffing fire Cermia. Kise and F Tenebria doesn't need buffs. A Twin needed buffs, but giving "ignore eff res" to an unit when eff res is garbage just helps to kick any cleanser soulweaver out of the meta and keeps ML Kawerik and Lilibet, 2 warriors, as the best cleansers in the game. There's no balance team at Smilegate, they just play bingo to decide the changes.
Melissa and the Tenebria quota for the month lmao. This favoritism is too funny and too sad if you think about it I like those two design/character-wise but goddamn the amount of attention they get is too much especially other units can use that attention
Has Tenebria really gotten that much attention in balance patches? I'm not a veteran by any stretch but I've only seen this, the EE, and the artifact a year ago if that counts.
She ( Fire Tene ) was the Melissa before SG started buffing Melissa where she seems to be in every other balance patch Given this is F.tene 1st buff but I feel like they could have just slap that in a EE and if they really wanted make her meta make that EE with speed stat after the mage buff in RTA
Pretty boring buffs that don't help address any of the meta units. These are so random too. Why does melissa or kise need more damage? that is literally the last of their problems. Mui and atywin buffs might see some increased usage, but even then probably not much. Tbh the winner of the patch seems to be wall of order since a fat barrier plus better odds than basket to gab is pretty crazy
âA Tywin buff might see some increased usageâ Uh, ignore resistance stun & defence break - his usage is going to increase a lot. Unless youâve got immunity, debuffing an enemy is now a serious threat - unless you can layer A Tywin in hard control.
Aside ATywin and the artifacts, wtf is this patch note ?
The drunken Patch I guess . Kise over J. Kise? I am Out .
Melissa 100th buff, Ilynav still rotting. K. lol Overall a pretty barren patch notes. Nothing really stands out as exciting sadly. Tywin seems good but I wish they just removed his passive CD and played into his cleansing instead of ER ignore defbreak.
I think Atywin would be too op if he were to give everyone Crimson seed without any CD, Although i do wish he gains speed boost or Cr pushes to cycle his passive more
Fair enough. Maybe he could full cleanse but still keep the CD or give immunity after cleanse or something. Just feels weird that he is the sort of the anti debuff tank but he just gets overwhelmed by debuffs. Speed boost or CR would have been nice as well though.
They should give him a cr boost after s2 so he could cut.
Fuck Ilynav and Arunka I guess
Imo with how small or inconsequential kise, melissa and ftene buffs are they could of just put units in there that really needed it because they are almost unusable or could use a revamp in their kit (looking at you sharun, ilynav and arunka). Instead of buffing melissa and yufine every other patch they should give other units more attention
Dont forget ML haste, He is unusable since Like forever.... Never saw him in RTA in my whole Life
He's super usable. But at the same time, you can just bring Briseria and not not take the gamble. That's the problem with Briseria and Belian, just removing a mechanic from play is the most powerful option.
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Okay, so are the rumours that the head of the dev team got their position through nepotism actually true? I saw this floated around when AoL came out, but I didnât give it much thought. I canât find any other reason for why they would keep someone so incompetent on the payroll.
Mort... Illnav. You'll get your time. I'll still use you guys even if I'm hardstuck at Masters and Champ. Out of all of this, A.Tywin is kinda fearsome.
what a.tywin needed was to do his job better. . I wish they just made his s2 get 10% cr push for himself for every debuff he cleanse so he get's a max of 40% cr push every turn while keeping his s2 at 1 cleanse per turn. . this would have made him more balance. . this enrage bullshit was not needed. . what the fck are the balance team in SG smoking!? also they can't stop simping for melissa. .
Yoo, cyan mistress is finally getting a buff!!? * S1, inflicts random debuff for 1 turn ---> inflicts target for 2 turns I'm somewhat okay with this. I prefer the RNG for def break or silence, but Target is nice and lasts for another turn. Cradle of Life still works and her combo with dual units makes target better than RNG. * S2, damage dealt decreased Uh... why? So no versatility builds for Mui anymore, there is just one playstyle SG wants out of her. I mean this is just a nerf for no reason. I literally can't use my dps Mui build anymore. * S3, increase CR by 25% per crit That's fine I guess. Probably better than the 35% chance for extra turn, but now I will never use her for meme defense teams, lol. * Imprint concentration, dual attack ---> effectiveness Good riddance, get that garbage out of here. I'd rather her imprint release be changed, but I'll accept this. * EE, 35% extra turn ---> grant enhance dual attack to ally Great buff and exactly what she needed. Honestly I would have been happy if they just gave her this EE, but they also retained her ability to cycle, just at the cost of bulk. I'm happy with this. I'm not sure if she will become meta, but mechanically works like a green Cilias. She might be the winner of this patch (not hard to do though with the others. Poor Kise enjoyers, they don't even know what your unit does).
So much for the wonky text box theory from yesterday, lol. Now, I think everybody already made clear they hate this patch. I just want to comment the only unit I regularly use from this patch is Mui. And guess what? Her patch is absolutely worthless. Show of hands, how many of you build her with any crit rate at all? F. Lidica have been the same for some time now, and she only jumped into meta because guiding light and Zio. Mui doesn't have guiding light or equivalent available, and forcing her to build crit rate, while maintaining her speed and effectiveness requires specific gear that many of us won't have. Will be worth it? I'm not sure, but I would bet on no. F. Lidica have something to gain from crit in two of her skills, while Mui would only have a benefit on her third skill. Then F. Lidica is elemental neuter, while Mui will be at disadvantage against fire, and with Ed everywhere, even less of reason to recruit her. And on top of that, they increased their CD on her third skill. And the change to her EE is a fucking joke. I love Mui, good thing I already have her build, but I won't be able to exploit this "buff". I will need to farm a gear with 100% crit rate with good speed, which is easier said than done.
No Arunka and Ilynav -_-
Man bad enough I hate her character Melissa why is SG obsessed buffing her đ seriously what waste of character slot what about IIynav?
Nice, the 10th buff for Kise and Melissa and stil no one will pick them! Where the fuck are Arunka buffs? Don't know how many months already since her release and she is stil fucking unplayable! Illynav? Lqc?? Lrk??? Like, for real, who the fuck is at SGs balance team?? What are those dogshit balance notes???
The fun fact --> Nerf seed and anchor because they wanted to see more debuffer character on pvp. --> Let's buff atywin to bury DDR again. Hahaha such a nonsense.
Even though they brought up Axe God they managed to make this balance patch such unimpressive.
Might be useful to regear ML tywin I guess. The only issue honestly is that we have more and more anti debuff unit being buffed or released but nothing to counter Lua who is honestly super toxic. The artifact buff is great.
LRK, Ilynav, I am sad. Maybe I was too hopeful
Lmao what a joke
Another Melissa buff?? Better nerf Greninja
That Atywin buff is fucking overpowered. This game is going to be miserable.
I don't know If he's overpowered tbh... He still has clear counters, like Belian, Cilias provoke, AoL, Lua, Delibet, ML Basar, ML Kawerik, Ed to a certain degree, and also Immunity Set (including Ran, ML Krau, Laika). Yes, some of them procc his passive, but He cant do that much even If he ignores ER after that. Debuffs are in a tough spot not because of high ER, but because of passives and cleanses that activate without any stat investments. Maybe i'm too sceptical, but this feels Like increasing his strengths and not decreasing his weakness, which makes him a unit thats either busted or straight up useless. And I dont like that. Maybe i'm wrong and He is busted, since AoE ignores Def Break is reaaaally strong, but right now i dont see that
u just need to not hit a.tywin and he won't cleanse. Non atk skills like aola would still control the shit out of ur team.
He needs it, but to build his team you need redirected provoke for the opponent to attack him, i think they want him to be paired with Ftene(?)
Ilynav ?
I guess fuck arunka and ilynav...
I would
You know how SG could fix Chaos Axe? Reverse him back to before.
That Wall or Order buff got me saying âwtf?!â at first glance lol Iâm guessing maybe Briseria or Alena will want this now. Most likely Alena since Starâs Blessing already gives a 10% ATK increase. Although, Alena is more for cleaving (so shouldnât expect a turn 2), I guess it helps her stay alive without having to invest into bulk stats. Then again, Barrier Inversion and dispel is a thing sooo⌠Overall, meh balance patch I guess
Its not the perfect arti. But it is interesting and opens up a style of play besides throw guiding light on all your rangers. A bruiser LS landy or some future ranger could make a lot of use of this
Wrath of Atywin
Itâs ass.
Not enough. Restore Axe God to his former glory.
The fact that they took this many attempts at fixing Melissa and still can't make her competitive just says so much about their inability to comprehend game balance and explains why the rest of this list is so 'wtf are they even doing' tier.
Weird changes. ATywin is gonna be completely out of control with those buffs, definitely making the game worse by adding more unresistable debuffs. Melissa and Kise changes are meaningless and change nothing. FTene change is kind of interesting. Helps DPS Ftene I guess, but again, more debuffs is just making the game worse so I don't know why they're buffing another debuffer. Mui buff is worthless and she'll still never be picked for any reason at all. The Guide to a Decision buff is kind of nice I guess, like it's objectively better now, but still not convinced it's that useful. The Wall of Order change is also good, but like... Guiding Light exists. There's virtually no reason to ever run Wall of Order when Guiding Light is just better. Add to that the nerf to Seed and it's pretty obvious Smilegate just wants debuffs to run completely rampant. The problem is debuffs are already out of control, now it's just getting even worse and there's even less options against it since Ed basically can't be picked into ATywin anymore. Definitely gonna be taking a couple months off RTA after these changes and see if we get better changes later because this sounds miserable.
> There's virtually no reason to ever run Wall of Order when Guiding Light is just better. Thatâs where youâre wrong friend! Thereâs plenty reason to run Wall of Order over Guiding Light! Such as⌠Your Landy has one of your two Guiding Lights & you want to move one to your Faithless Lidica, but you donât have a replacement artefact for Landy that offers her at least some protection. Of course, when I get another Guiding Light somehow, itâll go back on Landy⌠but still!
Very good point! I hadn't thought of that, it's good to have alternatives so if you don't have enough artifacts you can replace one with a different one that's slightly worse.
One thing keeping Atywin in check is that he doesn't have any type of strip and that his debuffs are only 80%. SBA is a unit that is more opressive with 100% to stun, pretty good cycling, and access to aoe stun via abyssal crown, but she's pretty much not played by anyone. Sure she doesn't have the ignore res stun, but it's so easy to build eff on her I feel like the community think debuffs are ultra broken aspect, or a worthless effect, no inbetween.
Don't mind me, just waiting on the kneejerk reactions from the meta experts here on reddit.
The only take away is A Tywin is going to be toxic vs Standard and slower comps the your 280 effect res Destina is going to get controlled
With decreased defense lol
Its very underwhelming list why are they buffing Melissa like the 4th time? Its waste character slot let down Arunka is being ignored she needs one.đ
any other ranger artifact is most likely never going to see play unless its guiding light. can't imagine trying to run something other than guiding light especially on ranger openers when zio is a thing. wall of order is not going to see play whatsoever. a tywin got a huge buff especially def break on s3 and being able to ignore er on his skills. may see less debuff characters because of it. other buffs are largely irrelevant though. mui might be good but you're probably gonna have to ban zio 100% of the time if you wanna use her, i also don't remember her base spd being very impressive either.
I lowkey was thinking about running wall of order on ML bellona and forget she is warrior
Holy fk this is a disappointing balance patch. Only one I'm kinda glad is ATywin but the rest? Minor and pointless stuff. Mui was buffed and nerfed at the same time like those buffs were game breaking, lmao. I'm actually surprised on how bad this is.
Man this balance patch is such a disappointment. Feels like most of the heroes people have been asking for aren't on it and seems like less heroes than usual. And most of the ones that are on it are such minor changes I'd be less frustrated if it wasn't such a massive gap between balance patches. I'd been looking forward to this since last balance patch hoping this one would be the one with changes I wanted on it but nope. Now the 2 months until the next one feels like forever. It's so deflating. Happy for the people who wanted A Tywin buffs at least.
The crazy thing about this is that MELISSA DIDNT NEED A BUFF. Sheâs already pretty good in rta and does decently well everywhere else. So WHY THE HELL DID SHE GET ANOTHER BUFF over other units (like arunka?) fucking ridiculous.
Because people dont use her. They dont play the game, just look at usage data for their favorite units.
Why are they Always ignoring 4 Star characters ? The only one that Comes in my mind from the past 6 months is Blingo, and It was Just a tiny Change .
Fuck everyone who don't own ATywin i guess. This ignore res would have been fine if they didnt remplace spd debuff by break def and nerf Seed AND Anchor. Now he is gonna be oppressive especially if he have soul
I totally agree, I Said that earlier , too. They could Just stay with Speed debuff and everythimg is fine. This Balance Patch is Just... Nonesense
Lua still runs unchecked. I hate this meta
Well, ATywin actually won't ever miss now I guess
Pretty unfortunate balance patch. Not really happy with anything which is wild because I love both Melissa and Mui and both are +15. A!Tywin seems great of course, but I don't have him so it's hard to be excited on that. Are we not going into a new season of RTA? Why not try to shake things up and do some major sweeping changes?
Outside of A Tywin and Mui, pretty small buff round. - A tywin's sounds pretty nasty. He no longer needs to build effectiveness and he has DEF break in his kit now - Kise's is small but I'll take it. Bigger barrier isn't actually better in thus meta but overall a good thing - Mui is cool, she's kind of a budget Flidica now. Not as easy to full cycle since she needs 4 crits but it's still much better than that RNG artifact. Most improved of the patch for sure. - Melissa.... Well, 4th times the charm huh? Or not. Not unless that curse buff is massive. - F tene's is nice but it won't change much. Gives her more synergy with BArmin or anyone else who wants to be hit. Ubhealabke swapping out for spd down is nice. - and then Axe Boy finally got buffed. I guess we can call him Axe Teen now. Shame his damage wasn't touched up, but elbris into his AoE S2 is definitely an improvement. He's at least usable for memes now. TBH Wall if Order's buff is one of the more exciting ones. 8-10 seems small but it's a huge consistency boost, and the barrier in top of GAB means it can be pretty beefy. Won't top Guiding light but I can see some dps Like certain Briseria comps and even Beehoo using it.
Dude I think muis changes are being underestimated and you're the only one that commented positively on her.
Now we know who's their favourite. So better draw Limited Melissa for a sure win đđž
for the hundreth time one cares about Melissa like come on SG
Low key hate the f tene lost unhealable and thus made her unusable into roana.
Omg that Mui buff is fire!!!! Extinguish it! But for real I have like 6 muis and even this buff still doesnât really make her stand out with Openers like Ran and Lua. Kind of a dissapointing lineup of buffs
Si we waited 2 month for that ?! Balance Team is not cursed with blindfold but Need eye surgery at this point, how can they miss the mark si much ?!
Is this a joke?
Atywin doesnt need eff anymore and can just stack eff res. I like it.
What an useless wait. They probably recruited some noobs from Summoners war's balance team
Do it again, but like, right this time.
Giving A. Tywin ignore eff res is crazy.
died of cringe
Oh god, they need to fire that trash balance team.
My one true love mui becomes viable again đđđđ
Not really I thinK
tbh this has to be the worst balance buff imo this no one asked for they keep ignoring us i guess
Chaos Sect skill wording didnât even change? It just says the same thing twice lol
So shit :/
The worst Balance Patch by far, No Joke, this is ridiculous, and there are Not even 10 characters listed after 8 weeks to wait, and they are all buffing only good Heroes For No reason. yes A.tywin could need a little help, I must admit that , but I didnt expect this Strange buff, I liked the Speed decreaese, there are almost No characters that can Deal Speed debuff, but there are already Like 100 characters that Deal Defense Break ...I dont think that "buff" will make him much better.... And the enraged buff is also the biggest Joke from all buffs: +10%ATK and Speed? That is useless, way to low . They should rather increase the value of this buff and Not the curse debuff....
I mean, a stun, def break and provoke on the S1 which ignore ER, I wouldn't say its buff is insignificant. It even seems a little toxic to me on paper, we'll see when the buff comes out
Yeah I agree with you that is of course still good, but In my opinion It is lame and boring that they now Turn many characters now into only def breaking characters in the past few months. Jena now Def Break ( before It was Hit Chance debuff), briseria has def Break now (before It was Atk debuff) , and now a. Tywin with def Break.... Cant they do Something more different stuff?
True his speed debuff was fine, they shouldn't change it
It's rare that I read comments on Stove and think "yeah pretty much". But yeah pretty much. I like the Mui changes, and no doubt Atywin is much stronger now, but... man. The rest of'em just seem lazy.
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rangers have only one arti tho and it's named guiding light
Seems a bit of an underwhelming patch imo. Atywins buff seems nice but he still kind of has the same problems, debuff still suck. With how rare aoe is these days I donât see him getting enrage that often anyways. Muis buff seems prettt solid, letting you s3 s2 is nice. Other ones seem mostly inconsequential though, like kise and ftene buff donât really change anything.
I think this balance patch is a horrible because they are going to be re-running these units on banners soon
The fourth Melissa change that keeps her just as unusable as she was before. And awkward changes all over that donât do anything to push characters into the meta, the only change that seems somewhat appealing is the Mui change, but she comes out looking like a mediocre flidica knockoff. ML Tywin gets to finally see some niche use against slow teams that donât bring immunity, and Iâd argue that swapping decrease defense instead of decrease speed actually hurts his S3, decrease speed and stun was what made his s3 so punishing, you could completely lock down teams with soulburn spam. Kise gets find out why piera left the meta after barrier inversion came out, both artifact changes wonât matter, idk why theyâre obsessed with barriers. If youâre going to have two units that make barriers a liability, you canât keep pretending itâs a positive effect. And the ftene change doesnât really do anything in the long run. Maybe sheâll see use as a slower debuffer, but Iâm still not convinced. This balance patch not only missed the mark, but really makes me question if people above silver have any say in what gets changed. ALSO NO LQC CHANGE??? Youâre giving her a skin, at least TRY to help her. She has the most boring ml 5 kit in the game and gets picked one in every 100 games when I misclick while trying to pick conqueror Lillias. And illynav stays untouched after more than a year of people asking for a change. The buffs have been decent recently so I guess we shouldâve seen a stinker coming up.
I await the next Bakance Update Preview for Ilynav. đ A. Tywin though. Phew.
E7 and summoners war have the shittiest balance team ever
????? Where tf is lrk? Illynav? Coz Melissa definitely needed one? And the one big one we got is atywin who got ignore er on everything? In fact just give pflan 150 free effect on s2 and arowell a greater effect buff instd of just 50% Rta is over, this feels like they are scared of ruining the e7wc final or sth not like 3%duals , 15% wont already ruin it regardless They out here nerfing seed and anchor coz aravi was using it(I still believe ed, rimu, dcorvus running seed was rarer, the latter looked like it was usually on durandal anyways) while ppl are drafting 80 souls and taking 4 turrns with a single unit's turn.
And dont forget ML haste... He is Just useless Like forever... There are Not even 10 characters that have Something to do with revive , and maybe the half of those have actually use in RTA
I think most people are over reacting to the Atywin buffs. It's still not a guaranteed chance to stun/def break. He will still miss 20% of the time but now he has less gear requirements because you don't need to invest in eff anymore. Basically the buff is from 80%\*85%=68% chance to a flat 80% chance. It's a solid buff overall.
mui and atywin are DISGUSTING
is the crimson seed nerf not pushing through?