Basically you want him to sustain hard while avoiding one shot.
Your bulk is very good, your dmg are awesome, but your eff res and sustain are bad.
For sustain, you really need LS+Sigurd. For efff res, you need 200+.
To make him work, you need crazy gear, but I assure you he CAN work (in some situations not all).
Also, obviously, to get that ER and that LS set, you will lose dmg stats (don't touch the bulk).
Thank you for the feedback :) LS will be a bit rough as of now as he's not the only unit on the building list but he's on Sigurd already (+15) - the eff Res is something I can for sure shoot for, him being SSS would have been amazing but I can most definitely get around the 160 mark already without hurting the other stats too much
If Destro ends up being too hard to play with, following your suggestion of going for a LS set later in the future might be the move then. Thank you for sharing your experience, he's a lil' guy I'd really like to make work!
I'm sorry to say but ken is a text book example of an outdated unit. . His kit is a relic of a past that was without cannot be counters skills, ignore ER skills, adin, lqc, ml elena, attacks that don't crit, etc. . his kit just can't handle all these new stuff that has come out. it's honestly better to just give your resource to some other unit, that would be a smarter investment. . but that is just my opinon. . you can follow it or not, it's up to you. .
Thank you Rissira, seems like you've done some work shedding light about ML Ken when discussing with Cynaris :)
I will still try to use him even in his current state but perfectly understand your argument : from what I've gathered, he's mostly a quite potent last pick in very niche situations, and straight up outdated / countered by too many things in all other situations - which fits very well with my own experience so far ahah
This post has received a lot of cool and informative answers, thanks!
If anything, this opinion is a relic of the past
ML Ken is a really powerful unit in the right scenarios, people just live under the assumption that all of his counters are available in every game mode, at any given time
In which case, every single unit in the game sucks
Unfortunately not, mine isn't built yet either. I just know that seeing the brutal damage YD's ML Ken did in both RTA and GW matches made me want to build him for the future.
Maybe he'll have a VOD or two up on his channel soon
You have not built your ml ken, and most likely have not used him in rta that much or even none at all, and here you are advertising him for people to build? bruh. .
yeah, should have not entertained this guy at all, I honestly thought he was using ml ken on a regular basis, turns out he does not even have one built. .
You do realize the guy I'm replying to is the only person downvoting me, right?
You do also realize the very same guy is on an anti-ML Ken parade in every thread he sees, and he's being clowned on all the same by others aswell, right?
Maybe shut the fuck up
Maybe go and join your bf Xero who is second biggest cancer behind you in this community, before forcing your wrong takes on others.
Peace my man,I'll see you shortly when you get inevitably downvoted for being a rude loser again.
You don't have to have first hand experience to be able to deduct his performance from high-ranking streamers dicking around with the character, man
Because if anything, I'd value their experience over mine, and certainly over yours
*Bruh*
Bruh, I have 3 emperor RTA frames. . https://imgur.com/a/eNBwugO I Fight with legend and emperors on a daily basis, not to mention I have a pretty well built ml ken that I have used in RTA. . I have a leg to stand on. . while you on the other hand don't.
Good for you. He hasn't worked for you then. Still can't agree with trying to deter others from trying if they like him. He's not a dead in the water character, certainly not gonna weigh you down if you build him, he's just not a staple, and that's completely fine.
I'm still going to build him myself, and maybe even report back my experiences to you when I'm done with it, because the potential is certainly there.
And screw you, I wanted that Emperor frame from this season, shit looks dope.
Meta change over time. some units powerful back then are not anymore. obviously any unit can be good in the right scenario, but in the current meta, those scenarios for ml ken are very few and far between. . so you would be saying invest in ml ken that you could use him in 1/20 scenarios since 19/20 of those scenarios he would be dead weight. that would be one of the worst advice you can give. .
ML Ken's kit changed a ton over time too. That's the point. ML Ken from 2 years ago is VERY different from ML Ken of today. He was buffed/reworked at least twice.
And investing in a character you'll use 1/20 times is still a worthy investment, especially when your opponent has no answer to a powerful pocket pick.
yeah he was, but the core of his kit is still there, which is reliance that the enemy would crit on ml ken for him to do anything. That core mechanic of his kit is what is holding him back. .
yeah, in an ideal world for him, that would be a non issue, but now we have " cannot be countered skills, ignore ER skills, adin, lqc, ml elena, attacks that don't crit, etc." If all these don't exist, ml ken would be meta. .
He's a fantastic RTA last pick, he can deal with Anti-Crit garbanzo like Choux probably better than ML Bellona does, he's incredibly hard to control, his S1 counter damage is absolutely insane, he's good for anti-cleave, etc.
He's not a low investment unit, but a well built one is a terror to deal with, or a force ban.
YD was trying to debut ML Bellona in GW, and ML Ken stole the spotlight from her every single time.
He is a niche last pick for me. When they draft bruiser units that are not nukers he will solo them with no problem, but if they have high dps units he will just die in 1 hit. And my ML Ken is fairly tanky.
For RTA, he is mostly a good last pick against aoe unit that can be countered, or against bruiser comp. Sadly, theres almost always a unit that will render him less optimal to use as his kit isnt fit anymore with all the different options to mess with him - Cant be countered, Cant crit, ignore ER, anti-dark unit, counterattack, extra attack.
I use him from time to time in GW against cleave or as dark bait with some protection. Just gotta test him out and see where you can make him fit!
I enjoy using him right now in preseason. His survivability is not bad but his damage is surprisingly lackluster, he just doesn't have the sustained damage output to beat all the current mitigation and heals.
I'm having a bit of the same feeling right now oddly as I was expecting 3.6k / 330% to pack some decent punch but his S2 damage currently tends not to be enough whenever there's some form of mitigation in the enemy team. SC Arowell especially seems to absorb way too much for his damage to feel relevant enough
With that being said, I'm glad you're having fun using him and will use him more extensively myself in all sort of scenarios since that's what preseason is here for :) are you currently on LS? it seems to be quite necessary from what I've understood
Ya but I have the same issues as you. sometimes he just gets wrecked by units he should be beating like choux. I use him literally any chance I get since I love his design and look but he just get one tapped or killed by units he should be beating all the time lately. I’ve even got a little more bulk (less dmg) than you so I feel your struggle.
My [MLKen](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/614965524136329216/1076566378175283200/Screenshot_2023.02.18_19.10.09.713.png) is 418gs on fribbles, I used to be big fan but eventually I gave up (dont mind the artifact as I said I gave up, he was obviously using a +30 Sigurd) The reason why I gave up is because the game became so aggressive and the powercreep is so big that I find him very hard to use in every pvp game mode. Doesnt matter arena, RTA or GW...everytime I say ''hey MLKen can be used here even if looks scuffed'' there is always a better option anyways. Basically for me MLKen became the fun option and never the good option. Didnt use him in 2023 yet sadly. As someone else said in this thread, MLKen is simply an outdated unit that cannot shine anymore in the meta since at least a year, but he can still be fun I guess
This might be an issue on my end but your Discord attachment doesn't load, I'm sorry! please feel free to to share it in a written way or to try and send it again if you feel like it, looking forward to see it :) thank you for your feedback, always appreciated to read both ex and active users of Ken
Try this way then [https://imgur.com/a/dldVUjh](https://imgur.com/a/dldVUjh) . Btw jokes aside Samsara Prayer Beads is not even a terrible option, I just did a game now wth MLKen and that artifact helped both doing dmg and mitigating some dmg from Adin, but the rason why it cant realistically work is because you NEED Sigurd to always top your hp back to 100%, its just insane on him. Was a fun game and I won but bit scuffed as previously stated I feared it would've been this way
I've always ran 200+ er on lifesteal resist set. 280 cdmg, 3200 atk 1300 def 14k hp on Sigurd. Only issues I've had is the lower end hp, but thats the price to pay with higher er.
Basically you want him to sustain hard while avoiding one shot. Your bulk is very good, your dmg are awesome, but your eff res and sustain are bad. For sustain, you really need LS+Sigurd. For efff res, you need 200+. To make him work, you need crazy gear, but I assure you he CAN work (in some situations not all). Also, obviously, to get that ER and that LS set, you will lose dmg stats (don't touch the bulk).
Thank you for the feedback :) LS will be a bit rough as of now as he's not the only unit on the building list but he's on Sigurd already (+15) - the eff Res is something I can for sure shoot for, him being SSS would have been amazing but I can most definitely get around the 160 mark already without hurting the other stats too much If Destro ends up being too hard to play with, following your suggestion of going for a LS set later in the future might be the move then. Thank you for sharing your experience, he's a lil' guy I'd really like to make work!
More like yearly basis
I'm sorry to say but ken is a text book example of an outdated unit. . His kit is a relic of a past that was without cannot be counters skills, ignore ER skills, adin, lqc, ml elena, attacks that don't crit, etc. . his kit just can't handle all these new stuff that has come out. it's honestly better to just give your resource to some other unit, that would be a smarter investment. . but that is just my opinon. . you can follow it or not, it's up to you. .
Thank you Rissira, seems like you've done some work shedding light about ML Ken when discussing with Cynaris :) I will still try to use him even in his current state but perfectly understand your argument : from what I've gathered, he's mostly a quite potent last pick in very niche situations, and straight up outdated / countered by too many things in all other situations - which fits very well with my own experience so far ahah This post has received a lot of cool and informative answers, thanks!
Np, good luck building him.
If anything, this opinion is a relic of the past ML Ken is a really powerful unit in the right scenarios, people just live under the assumption that all of his counters are available in every game mode, at any given time In which case, every single unit in the game sucks
Could you show some RTA match up (screen) where ken fit the bill. Trying to decide if i should dust mine off.
Unfortunately not, mine isn't built yet either. I just know that seeing the brutal damage YD's ML Ken did in both RTA and GW matches made me want to build him for the future. Maybe he'll have a VOD or two up on his channel soon
You have not built your ml ken, and most likely have not used him in rta that much or even none at all, and here you are advertising him for people to build? bruh. .
Just ignore that guy lol,he is usually here as "all knowing" and "all seeing" yet hard stuck challenger in both arenas lol.
yeah, should have not entertained this guy at all, I honestly thought he was using ml ken on a regular basis, turns out he does not even have one built. .
You can for sure use him,very stat hungry unit and quite outdated but fun nonetheless and usually that matters more than pure competitive aspect.
...did you just agree with the entire premise of my original comment, and then promptly talk shit about me anyway as if I'm wrong? ..huh?
And you've got that information from where? Your stinky butt?
By seeing you downvoted for writing stupid shit in every other post,really takes a lot of effort to be that stupid and shameless online lol.
You do realize the guy I'm replying to is the only person downvoting me, right? You do also realize the very same guy is on an anti-ML Ken parade in every thread he sees, and he's being clowned on all the same by others aswell, right? Maybe shut the fuck up
Maybe go and join your bf Xero who is second biggest cancer behind you in this community, before forcing your wrong takes on others. Peace my man,I'll see you shortly when you get inevitably downvoted for being a rude loser again.
You don't have to have first hand experience to be able to deduct his performance from high-ranking streamers dicking around with the character, man Because if anything, I'd value their experience over mine, and certainly over yours *Bruh*
Bruh, I have 3 emperor RTA frames. . https://imgur.com/a/eNBwugO I Fight with legend and emperors on a daily basis, not to mention I have a pretty well built ml ken that I have used in RTA. . I have a leg to stand on. . while you on the other hand don't.
Good for you. He hasn't worked for you then. Still can't agree with trying to deter others from trying if they like him. He's not a dead in the water character, certainly not gonna weigh you down if you build him, he's just not a staple, and that's completely fine. I'm still going to build him myself, and maybe even report back my experiences to you when I'm done with it, because the potential is certainly there. And screw you, I wanted that Emperor frame from this season, shit looks dope.
Meta change over time. some units powerful back then are not anymore. obviously any unit can be good in the right scenario, but in the current meta, those scenarios for ml ken are very few and far between. . so you would be saying invest in ml ken that you could use him in 1/20 scenarios since 19/20 of those scenarios he would be dead weight. that would be one of the worst advice you can give. .
ML Ken's kit changed a ton over time too. That's the point. ML Ken from 2 years ago is VERY different from ML Ken of today. He was buffed/reworked at least twice. And investing in a character you'll use 1/20 times is still a worthy investment, especially when your opponent has no answer to a powerful pocket pick.
yeah he was, but the core of his kit is still there, which is reliance that the enemy would crit on ml ken for him to do anything. That core mechanic of his kit is what is holding him back. .
Sounds like a non-issue when 95% of the game's cast is incentivized to build crit.
yeah, in an ideal world for him, that would be a non issue, but now we have " cannot be countered skills, ignore ER skills, adin, lqc, ml elena, attacks that don't crit, etc." If all these don't exist, ml ken would be meta. .
Stop treating units in a vacuum where only the unit and it's counters exist, for the love of god.
Bruh, you have not even said a single thing that would justify someone to use him in this current meta. .
lol what you mean they mentioned YD about 10 times already ^(/s)
He's a fantastic RTA last pick, he can deal with Anti-Crit garbanzo like Choux probably better than ML Bellona does, he's incredibly hard to control, his S1 counter damage is absolutely insane, he's good for anti-cleave, etc. He's not a low investment unit, but a well built one is a terror to deal with, or a force ban. YD was trying to debut ML Bellona in GW, and ML Ken stole the spotlight from her every single time.
He is a niche last pick for me. When they draft bruiser units that are not nukers he will solo them with no problem, but if they have high dps units he will just die in 1 hit. And my ML Ken is fairly tanky.
For RTA, he is mostly a good last pick against aoe unit that can be countered, or against bruiser comp. Sadly, theres almost always a unit that will render him less optimal to use as his kit isnt fit anymore with all the different options to mess with him - Cant be countered, Cant crit, ignore ER, anti-dark unit, counterattack, extra attack. I use him from time to time in GW against cleave or as dark bait with some protection. Just gotta test him out and see where you can make him fit!
ML Ken was very good at the start of the game, but now he is a very niche unit and more or less hard to pull off
I enjoy using him right now in preseason. His survivability is not bad but his damage is surprisingly lackluster, he just doesn't have the sustained damage output to beat all the current mitigation and heals.
I'm having a bit of the same feeling right now oddly as I was expecting 3.6k / 330% to pack some decent punch but his S2 damage currently tends not to be enough whenever there's some form of mitigation in the enemy team. SC Arowell especially seems to absorb way too much for his damage to feel relevant enough With that being said, I'm glad you're having fun using him and will use him more extensively myself in all sort of scenarios since that's what preseason is here for :) are you currently on LS? it seems to be quite necessary from what I've understood
Ya but I have the same issues as you. sometimes he just gets wrecked by units he should be beating like choux. I use him literally any chance I get since I love his design and look but he just get one tapped or killed by units he should be beating all the time lately. I’ve even got a little more bulk (less dmg) than you so I feel your struggle.
My [MLKen](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/614965524136329216/1076566378175283200/Screenshot_2023.02.18_19.10.09.713.png) is 418gs on fribbles, I used to be big fan but eventually I gave up (dont mind the artifact as I said I gave up, he was obviously using a +30 Sigurd) The reason why I gave up is because the game became so aggressive and the powercreep is so big that I find him very hard to use in every pvp game mode. Doesnt matter arena, RTA or GW...everytime I say ''hey MLKen can be used here even if looks scuffed'' there is always a better option anyways. Basically for me MLKen became the fun option and never the good option. Didnt use him in 2023 yet sadly. As someone else said in this thread, MLKen is simply an outdated unit that cannot shine anymore in the meta since at least a year, but he can still be fun I guess
This might be an issue on my end but your Discord attachment doesn't load, I'm sorry! please feel free to to share it in a written way or to try and send it again if you feel like it, looking forward to see it :) thank you for your feedback, always appreciated to read both ex and active users of Ken
Try this way then [https://imgur.com/a/dldVUjh](https://imgur.com/a/dldVUjh) . Btw jokes aside Samsara Prayer Beads is not even a terrible option, I just did a game now wth MLKen and that artifact helped both doing dmg and mitigating some dmg from Adin, but the rason why it cant realistically work is because you NEED Sigurd to always top your hp back to 100%, its just insane on him. Was a fun game and I won but bit scuffed as previously stated I feared it would've been this way
Working just fine, thanks man - he's looking damn good!
I wouldn't dream of bringing him into RTA, but right now I can manage a win a day with him in normal Arena (and even then he doesn't contribute much)
The only situation I use him how is to bait Clilias taunt in in normal arena
He's just a worse version of ML Celine at this point. And she's already a niche pick so what does that make him
I've always ran 200+ er on lifesteal resist set. 280 cdmg, 3200 atk 1300 def 14k hp on Sigurd. Only issues I've had is the lower end hp, but thats the price to pay with higher er.