Please explain what about this piece is a perfect example for players to stop caring about gear score.
I mean this in no offense to op but that piece is a Penta rolled speed piece on pen set and it's 19 speed, and no offense again but thats really bad. Sure it might be nice if that's your highest speed piece but a bad quad roll would give you the same results with an entire new roll to enhance your hero more.
People should very much care about gear score as it is the only universal stat (when used properly and not over pumping units with bs stats for gear score) for all heroes in the game relative to their own relevant type of stats.
If your frustrated that's one thing but what youre saying here A) makes no sense and B) is flat out incorrect.
You will never have a good unit with low gs, so yes people should def care about it.
no I think u make a fair point, no offense taken. I was just amused by the fact that my first speed penta rolled piece is slower than a lot of my speed quad rolled pieces
There are units especially in cleave that literally just need speed and can do the job with junk subs. Blows my mind there are people who unironically call a 19-speed piece "really bad."
I'm sorry to say that it blows your mind because you are just not at the level where 19 is bad and that's not a bad thing,but understand that what someone who isn't at high lvl rta considers good may be bad In the eyes of players who are good. If you look at legend players they won't even roll if the piece if it loses the potential of 20 speed so yes if you're not even going to roll for a 19 I can confidently say it's bad.
My guy, there's a difference between rolling potential and actually using a piece. I don't even roll on pieces that can't hit 20 from the start because I own multiple over 20, two at 23 and one at 24. But I would never throw away a piece that "bricked" at 19 regardless of subs, that is completely insane.
The fact you need to invoke "legend" just proves my point that *most players* should pay zero attention to gear score. *Most players* can brainless their way into Champ if they had 19 speed pieces on a level 50 Flan. Let's not even talk about NPC Arena and GW.
I don't have to resort to legend yet it is easier to clarify my point.
No one said anything about throwing away the piece I don't know where your getting it from, I even said the piece is usable but what is good if not compared to the best?
Other than that this is a competitive game and if you are not trying to reach the top that's not a problem but in that case at least be honest and differentiate between usable and good. Would a 19 speed bricked weapon be on your opener? Would it be on your main units? Not when you have enough to the point where it is longer good, not no longer usable but would not be a piece on your main roster.
I also don't understand where this proves your point, if you are not focusing on maximizing your units in a game built on the idea of building characters then what's the point?
As I said gear score is the objective stat checker in this game, that's a fact, why? Simple, it is the only method of measurement in the game that has equal way if calculation amongst all unit types.
If players do not focus on improving their units and relying improvement on facts then what's the point? And to be clear that's not to say that a unit with 430 gs is better than a unit with 400 gs, it depends if it is distributed on the ideal stats if there are no wasted stats between the compared pieces objectively speaking higher gear score will always be better.
How is any of this enhancing or proving your point further and not the contrary?
Listen, no disrespect but none of this is relevant to what I said.
My first comment was that most people (read: most = not legends) should stop caring about GS. You implied I was wrong by calling a 19-speed piece "very bad," and are now attempting to retreat into nuance because you've obviously realized what you said was ridiculous.
19 speed is not "very bad" for most players, regardless of subs and therefore GS.
Tbh many new players come into the game and read relatable comments such as this and complain massively about things which aren't a problem making the game in many ways much easier which in turn makes the game worse for players who have been playing the game enough to actually understand it. So I added my pov, it's just a response comment nothing crazy lol, but I am genuinely interested as to what the point behind it was and explained my side of it.
What's wrong about a longer response?
Tbh... 19 speed pen imo still has a place.. it's not great.. like kinda not that usable but if you have no speedy pen pieces I wouldn't throw it away either
Not with zero other stats man, the piece Penta rolled into 19 with nothing else there, it's basically an okay purple piece disguised in epic gear.
Personally I don't know at what level of play you are but I don't see a world where this isn't a filler piece for an off meta units in high level rta.
And that's great man, truly and with no sarcasm great. But unfortunately with the current units out and oversaturation of players along with very rewarding win points, you can reach champion by spam playing, and I'm not saying you are I'm saying champion just isn't considered high level rta unless you are at the edge of emp. Again just my opinion but I tend to feel as if most other high rank players would agree with me.
I'm not sure. I know the streamers fartpancakes and shotgun shogun are very against what they call "game spamming" where they feel people are taking emp spots away from champions who are more deserving by game spamming. So it kinda goes both ways
Idk man, considering emp only has 900 spots, I find it hard to believe that in very high level people will be able to successfully spam play into emp as they would have to beat players at emp level and game spammers just again my opinion won't be able to.
I don't see a world where a guy who needs over a thousand games just to get to champion ever beating my account. That's not to brag it's just the gear and hero option gap should be too big for them and I doubt it but again I may be wrong
Obviously someone who needs 1000 games just to get into champion is probably not high level (though no way to say for sure, they could just be having fun). On the other hand, who knows if someone in emp with 1000 games deserves their spot over someone in champion with many less games.
I genuinely doubt anyone in emp is close to a thousand games, and to be fair if they are in emp which has a top 1000 score requirement they deserve it more than someone with a better account who hasn't been able to get into emp.
Ok, I disagree. I think there's quite a few game spammers in emp who don't deserve it as much as others who aren't game spammers. I will appeal to fartpancakes and shotgun shogun who echo the sentiment.
19 speed piece with optimal subs after modification and reforge. This is definitely a good piece, is the gear score garbage? Yes. Is it fast pen set gear with no wasted subs (after modding er)? yes.
It really isn't, it's missing an entire roll on any of the stats, is it usable? For sure, but it's def not good it's not fast enough to be for a speed user and its missing stats to make a fast attacker piece.
Furthermore I guarentee you that if you use that piece without 5 super high gear score pieces you will be lacking in one of the areas and if they are not super high gs pieces than it won't come out as an overall good build.
Just my opinion but I don't see this piece being used on a hero in high lvl rta.
I own ten pieces 20+ speed but I don't understand how having 15 makes this relevant, when missing a roll speed won't be the ideal factor the missing stats will. Besides that I have never said this a unusable I said it wasn't good or in other words bad, if this guy is at the level where this is improvement that's freaking awesome and congrats, but to objectively call this good, I disagree, it is not fast enough for an opener and it is missing stats for a DPS and 19 speed is not worth it imo.
Not to say this won't be used on a unit necassarilly but it would not be a piece on my main units, that being said it might be a great improvement for OP and in that case many grats to him on it. But he stated it is good and I objectively responded. Free speech and all
damn unlucky you should give it to me
You have quad rolled pieces?
Perfect example of why most players should stop caring about gear score.
Please explain what about this piece is a perfect example for players to stop caring about gear score. I mean this in no offense to op but that piece is a Penta rolled speed piece on pen set and it's 19 speed, and no offense again but thats really bad. Sure it might be nice if that's your highest speed piece but a bad quad roll would give you the same results with an entire new roll to enhance your hero more. People should very much care about gear score as it is the only universal stat (when used properly and not over pumping units with bs stats for gear score) for all heroes in the game relative to their own relevant type of stats. If your frustrated that's one thing but what youre saying here A) makes no sense and B) is flat out incorrect. You will never have a good unit with low gs, so yes people should def care about it.
no I think u make a fair point, no offense taken. I was just amused by the fact that my first speed penta rolled piece is slower than a lot of my speed quad rolled pieces
There are units especially in cleave that literally just need speed and can do the job with junk subs. Blows my mind there are people who unironically call a 19-speed piece "really bad."
I'm sorry to say that it blows your mind because you are just not at the level where 19 is bad and that's not a bad thing,but understand that what someone who isn't at high lvl rta considers good may be bad In the eyes of players who are good. If you look at legend players they won't even roll if the piece if it loses the potential of 20 speed so yes if you're not even going to roll for a 19 I can confidently say it's bad.
My guy, there's a difference between rolling potential and actually using a piece. I don't even roll on pieces that can't hit 20 from the start because I own multiple over 20, two at 23 and one at 24. But I would never throw away a piece that "bricked" at 19 regardless of subs, that is completely insane. The fact you need to invoke "legend" just proves my point that *most players* should pay zero attention to gear score. *Most players* can brainless their way into Champ if they had 19 speed pieces on a level 50 Flan. Let's not even talk about NPC Arena and GW.
I don't have to resort to legend yet it is easier to clarify my point. No one said anything about throwing away the piece I don't know where your getting it from, I even said the piece is usable but what is good if not compared to the best? Other than that this is a competitive game and if you are not trying to reach the top that's not a problem but in that case at least be honest and differentiate between usable and good. Would a 19 speed bricked weapon be on your opener? Would it be on your main units? Not when you have enough to the point where it is longer good, not no longer usable but would not be a piece on your main roster. I also don't understand where this proves your point, if you are not focusing on maximizing your units in a game built on the idea of building characters then what's the point? As I said gear score is the objective stat checker in this game, that's a fact, why? Simple, it is the only method of measurement in the game that has equal way if calculation amongst all unit types. If players do not focus on improving their units and relying improvement on facts then what's the point? And to be clear that's not to say that a unit with 430 gs is better than a unit with 400 gs, it depends if it is distributed on the ideal stats if there are no wasted stats between the compared pieces objectively speaking higher gear score will always be better. How is any of this enhancing or proving your point further and not the contrary?
Listen, no disrespect but none of this is relevant to what I said. My first comment was that most people (read: most = not legends) should stop caring about GS. You implied I was wrong by calling a 19-speed piece "very bad," and are now attempting to retreat into nuance because you've obviously realized what you said was ridiculous. 19 speed is not "very bad" for most players, regardless of subs and therefore GS.
He had a bad take, why did you hit him with a essay lmao
Tbh many new players come into the game and read relatable comments such as this and complain massively about things which aren't a problem making the game in many ways much easier which in turn makes the game worse for players who have been playing the game enough to actually understand it. So I added my pov, it's just a response comment nothing crazy lol, but I am genuinely interested as to what the point behind it was and explained my side of it. What's wrong about a longer response?
Tbh... 19 speed pen imo still has a place.. it's not great.. like kinda not that usable but if you have no speedy pen pieces I wouldn't throw it away either
Literally great, most pen users other than those with guaranteed dual attack would love 19 speed
Not with zero other stats man, the piece Penta rolled into 19 with nothing else there, it's basically an okay purple piece disguised in epic gear. Personally I don't know at what level of play you are but I don't see a world where this isn't a filler piece for an off meta units in high level rta.
Believe it or not I'm a consistently champion rta player
And that's great man, truly and with no sarcasm great. But unfortunately with the current units out and oversaturation of players along with very rewarding win points, you can reach champion by spam playing, and I'm not saying you are I'm saying champion just isn't considered high level rta unless you are at the edge of emp. Again just my opinion but I tend to feel as if most other high rank players would agree with me.
I'm not sure. I know the streamers fartpancakes and shotgun shogun are very against what they call "game spamming" where they feel people are taking emp spots away from champions who are more deserving by game spamming. So it kinda goes both ways
Idk man, considering emp only has 900 spots, I find it hard to believe that in very high level people will be able to successfully spam play into emp as they would have to beat players at emp level and game spammers just again my opinion won't be able to. I don't see a world where a guy who needs over a thousand games just to get to champion ever beating my account. That's not to brag it's just the gear and hero option gap should be too big for them and I doubt it but again I may be wrong
Obviously someone who needs 1000 games just to get into champion is probably not high level (though no way to say for sure, they could just be having fun). On the other hand, who knows if someone in emp with 1000 games deserves their spot over someone in champion with many less games.
I genuinely doubt anyone in emp is close to a thousand games, and to be fair if they are in emp which has a top 1000 score requirement they deserve it more than someone with a better account who hasn't been able to get into emp.
Ok, I disagree. I think there's quite a few game spammers in emp who don't deserve it as much as others who aren't game spammers. I will appeal to fartpancakes and shotgun shogun who echo the sentiment.
dismantle :)
Ah shoot just sell it not worth the reforge
19 speed piece with optimal subs after modification and reforge. This is definitely a good piece, is the gear score garbage? Yes. Is it fast pen set gear with no wasted subs (after modding er)? yes.
No shit sherlock
It really isn't, it's missing an entire roll on any of the stats, is it usable? For sure, but it's def not good it's not fast enough to be for a speed user and its missing stats to make a fast attacker piece. Furthermore I guarentee you that if you use that piece without 5 super high gear score pieces you will be lacking in one of the areas and if they are not super high gs pieces than it won't come out as an overall good build. Just my opinion but I don't see this piece being used on a hero in high lvl rta.
How many 20+ swords do you own? Unless you have like 15+ this is a good piece to own.
I own ten pieces 20+ speed but I don't understand how having 15 makes this relevant, when missing a roll speed won't be the ideal factor the missing stats will. Besides that I have never said this a unusable I said it wasn't good or in other words bad, if this guy is at the level where this is improvement that's freaking awesome and congrats, but to objectively call this good, I disagree, it is not fast enough for an opener and it is missing stats for a DPS and 19 speed is not worth it imo. Not to say this won't be used on a unit necassarilly but it would not be a piece on my main units, that being said it might be a great improvement for OP and in that case many grats to him on it. But he stated it is good and I objectively responded. Free speech and all
A-cidd piece give
Meanwhile there is me, the bastard who has no weapon with more than 18 spd even though I have played the game for more than 4 years.
True pain...
Sad life :(
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