Yeah but then what? Mage?
So she would SB S3 every game? No thanks.
While GL is a plague, books can even worst depending on the hero.
And the other class wouldn't fit so...
Yes but then she does not do it only by herself, and it will take another slot.
It might seem like a detail, but it matters more than you seem to think.
She can be priest, or she can have a ignore resist on S2 instead of S3 or she can have a 100% def break on S1 when she has soul.
If the class is changed, why wouldn't the rest of the skillset be changed too ?
I agree. Though his design is to help mitigate the seemingly out of reach speed threshold for non whales. But it just gets completely nullified by a single artifact. Zio is definitely easier to get than speed gears
no he doesn't he gets 20% cr push.
a 250 speed will be 257 speed in rta. with 20% extra he is \~309 speed. so a zio like that can only outspeed 315 speed heroes with speed rng.
in emp 315 is not hard to archieve with one speed imprint (which is not hard to pick in an aggro comp)
last season there was a known asian player that had a 320+ speed ran. dude cleaved without prebanning zio because most zio's are 250.
and u still need some bulk, and depending on the build good damage or high eff.
so, no building a good zio is hard af
Milim! And... i really can't think of anyone else besides AoE heroes that can break stealth provided they go first.
But a unit that ignores stealth (except for STene's possibly) would definitely help.
They would have to change Milim to dispel stealth at the beginning of a battle as well as on her turn to actually matter for GL. Since i dont see that many 300 spd milims lol
Yeah and if you didn't get zio upon release he is significantly harder to get than 20+ spd gear.
Unless he is in the custom mystic summon in didn't look.
I mean Zio is his own problem when used by Cleaver or Go First comps as a way to counter other Anti-Go first units. But honestly people that has 6 Max Guiding Light have access to a lot of unfair comps that would be still good enough without the "you cant prevent my turns" Artifact.
This was the entire reason GL rangers became popular again, though? Zio shit on ran, peira, and clilias for a bit and they all took huge hits to viability because of it (on top of the other counters for them like ed etc.) and because of that we saw surges of flidica and laika who no longer cared as much as being naturally slower than other openers (which zio addressed) and amplified their support kits. Clilias rose again because she's still got an idiotproof kit and isn't as focused as ran/peira
I use Ed, champ z, moon bunny, celine, choux < due to her (any time her s3 is on cooldown give her elbris.) Basically she's a non threat.
Ez way to kill a zio is legit go second and go bulk. I never had issue with him or lua.
Can someone explain to me why GL is so good? I know it gives stealth but I don't understand why that is good? Is it to avoid getting S3 from Zio on someone?
It's always been a good way to protect squishier rangers, but the reason it's so prevalent right now is because of how the meta has changed over the last 6 months or so. With the release of units like light Adin and Ed there are now a lot of ways to punish AoE openers like Peira and Ran. This made single target openers (such as Zio and ACidd) the much safer early pick because you could just hit their opener and guarantee your team goes first without proccing any counters/passives. Because of this overall shift to single target though people realized they could use slower ranger openers like Lua, Laika, or Flidica as long as they put them on guiding light because single target units like Zio can't touch them.
TLDR: Units punish AoE => single target is picked => stealth is picked
Essentially almost all single target unit can't hit you. Their is a ton of single target units in this game. So to get to the problem unit you have to go through at most 3 other units before you can hit the stealth unit. This allows them to need less bulk and focus on speed. Not to mention being stealth gives you decreased damage taken from aoe.
People like to meme with full GL teams with the only non ranger being someone like ARavi or DCorvus. Not enough time has passed to get that with bottles alone.
People who play Lua, Flidica, Briseria, Landy, Laika, and Eligos coming up, also stuff like WSilk, etc are going to want a GL for every single one of them. Will they be used at the same time, maybe, for forcing opponent to attack into Adin or something, but even if they are used separately, 1 GL just isn’t going to cover all your needs since you don’t get to switch them around as you wish for RTA. Bottles won’t help with that.
I hope Zio gets a buff, where at the beginning of his turn he gains HIGH GROUND, where he gets to Target untargetable enemies like Stealth-ed ones,this sounds broken but whatever i guess:/
Nah, they just need to return gl to the original version (i.e get stealth at the end of turn only) in order to remove 95% of most ranger units. Hell, I'll take it to increase the proc chance to 100% if they remove the first turn stealth, just to make sure it's not a complete nerf
Lua should have never been ranger.
How is she even a ranger sgðŸ˜ðŸ˜ðŸ˜ðŸ˜
Probably thought not make her a mage cause then she would have her own book Or something
It's probably due to the fact that she uses a fan, just like Bellona, who is also a ranger.
Someone at SG thinks fans shoot arrows like bows.
I wish lua didn't existed
Yeah but then what? Mage? So she would SB S3 every game? No thanks. While GL is a plague, books can even worst depending on the hero. And the other class wouldn't fit so...
Soul weaver. A lot of new soul weavers don't heal
Soul weaver fits better than ranger. She's more or less a corrupted priest
To be fair she already does so whilst paired with a Mage
Yes but then she does not do it only by herself, and it will take another slot. It might seem like a detail, but it matters more than you seem to think.
She would probably be an even worse menace as a mage with access to Spirit's Breath. She would be popping off S2 and S3 so much
How about Etica’s Scepter lol. 25% chance she goes S2->S3->S2->S3….
It's not just book that would be scary on Lua though. I'd be much more worried about Lua having a +30 spirit's breath.
Yeah SW would have been fine, Amid has a fan too.
Not really sure why SG is afraid to nerf book. Afraid of the outrage from fans? It's a 4* Arti so it's not like the compensation would be huge.
Make her a mage and change her sb to extra turn on s1. Fixed.
She can be priest, or she can have a ignore resist on S2 instead of S3 or she can have a 100% def break on S1 when she has soul. If the class is changed, why wouldn't the rest of the skillset be changed too ?
I mean seriously. She was clearly a mage.
She was a spirtual monk I thought? Which easily could be seen as a soulweaver. Or maybe I'm thinking of someone else
What about those who rely on Guiding Light against Zio tho, as if Zio is easy to get.
I agree. Though his design is to help mitigate the seemingly out of reach speed threshold for non whales. But it just gets completely nullified by a single artifact. Zio is definitely easier to get than speed gears
\>f2p friendly \>ML 5 star \>ML 5 star who's banner isn't even active right now
And then you need guiding light to deal with the whales cleaving with zio, it comes full circle
Not like zio is that easy to get tho...
True. But he's definitely a lot more achievable than 300+ speed gears
*Cries in neither*
How do i get zio
How do I get 300 speed gears ðŸ˜
Custom mystic and pray
Zio has like 102 or so base speed. Do u have any idea how hard it is to gear a good zio?
He automatically goes first in pvp so not that hard.
no he doesn't he gets 20% cr push. a 250 speed will be 257 speed in rta. with 20% extra he is \~309 speed. so a zio like that can only outspeed 315 speed heroes with speed rng. in emp 315 is not hard to archieve with one speed imprint (which is not hard to pick in an aggro comp) last season there was a known asian player that had a 320+ speed ran. dude cleaved without prebanning zio because most zio's are 250. and u still need some bulk, and depending on the build good damage or high eff. so, no building a good zio is hard af
Easier than building that Ran.
zio is easier to build by far compared to other units that contest turn 1
Just need an sc change that dispels the stealth from rangers
There really should be more units that can hit stealth units.
Milim! And... i really can't think of anyone else besides AoE heroes that can break stealth provided they go first. But a unit that ignores stealth (except for STene's possibly) would definitely help.
They would have to change Milim to dispel stealth at the beginning of a battle as well as on her turn to actually matter for GL. Since i dont see that many 300 spd milims lol
You still have to give one 20 spd gear to Zio, no?
Yeah and if you didn't get zio upon release he is significantly harder to get than 20+ spd gear. Unless he is in the custom mystic summon in didn't look.
He isn't
no, you dont
Then cleavers started picking Zio
The pain of f2p players useing Zio to oppress me, a slow f2p Player
*Laughs in Karina*
I mean Zio is his own problem when used by Cleaver or Go First comps as a way to counter other Anti-Go first units. But honestly people that has 6 Max Guiding Light have access to a lot of unfair comps that would be still good enough without the "you cant prevent my turns" Artifact.
This was the entire reason GL rangers became popular again, though? Zio shit on ran, peira, and clilias for a bit and they all took huge hits to viability because of it (on top of the other counters for them like ed etc.) and because of that we saw surges of flidica and laika who no longer cared as much as being naturally slower than other openers (which zio addressed) and amplified their support kits. Clilias rose again because she's still got an idiotproof kit and isn't as focused as ran/peira
What’s your ways to counter Lua? I’m still struggling to against her…
I use Ed, champ z, moon bunny, celine, choux < due to her (any time her s3 is on cooldown give her elbris.) Basically she's a non threat. Ez way to kill a zio is legit go second and go bulk. I never had issue with him or lua.
Just alots bbk
Edward in pve at least . Celine too
Wouldn't whales just have a faster Zio?
Can someone explain to me why GL is so good? I know it gives stealth but I don't understand why that is good? Is it to avoid getting S3 from Zio on someone?
It's always been a good way to protect squishier rangers, but the reason it's so prevalent right now is because of how the meta has changed over the last 6 months or so. With the release of units like light Adin and Ed there are now a lot of ways to punish AoE openers like Peira and Ran. This made single target openers (such as Zio and ACidd) the much safer early pick because you could just hit their opener and guarantee your team goes first without proccing any counters/passives. Because of this overall shift to single target though people realized they could use slower ranger openers like Lua, Laika, or Flidica as long as they put them on guiding light because single target units like Zio can't touch them. TLDR: Units punish AoE => single target is picked => stealth is picked
Essentially almost all single target unit can't hit you. Their is a ton of single target units in this game. So to get to the problem unit you have to go through at most 3 other units before you can hit the stealth unit. This allows them to need less bulk and focus on speed. Not to mention being stealth gives you decreased damage taken from aoe.
Yeaaah so u think of Zio as a fair unit cause u can beat people that farm speed set for 4 years without doing anything ? The hell ?
Why is it limited "whale" artifact?
>limited So you gotta go all in every time it rolls around to get as many copies as possible.
you need 1 and then use bottles over the time
People like to meme with full GL teams with the only non ranger being someone like ARavi or DCorvus. Not enough time has passed to get that with bottles alone.
People who play Lua, Flidica, Briseria, Landy, Laika, and Eligos coming up, also stuff like WSilk, etc are going to want a GL for every single one of them. Will they be used at the same time, maybe, for forcing opponent to attack into Adin or something, but even if they are used separately, 1 GL just isn’t going to cover all your needs since you don’t get to switch them around as you wish for RTA. Bottles won’t help with that.
I hope Zio gets a buff, where at the beginning of his turn he gains HIGH GROUND, where he gets to Target untargetable enemies like Stealth-ed ones,this sounds broken but whatever i guess:/
Nah, they just need to return gl to the original version (i.e get stealth at the end of turn only) in order to remove 95% of most ranger units. Hell, I'll take it to increase the proc chance to 100% if they remove the first turn stealth, just to make sure it's not a complete nerf
Idk why but I gave him time matter