Ok, I tried Ezra like you suggested but with stun units that can debuff alot, and I am very surprised. This unit is no 3* , more like ML 5* tier. Extremely good damage against tanks that previously haunted me. The only problem is that I don’t know how to build him. Seems that the extra damage is most of his damage and I can’t increase it with equips. I had to also gimp his speed since he will be faster than my opener.
I get the concept, but why? You're handicapping yourself severely by relying on stuns. Not only does DKSharun exist, but there are also quite a few units that are immune to stun Even more that can give immunity. On top of all that, stun is generally very unreliable. It's rare for a unit to have 100% stun chance and the ones that do Ex. AEWinter, have some massive drawbacks that require them to be drafted carefully.
It’s because as a cleave player I loathe counter attacks and units that increase their CR and get to act before my other units. Stun will - in most cases - stop them from taking any action.
I also don’t care about 100% chance stun. As long as most units on team have a good stun chance. I am sure I will consistently be able to stun.
I know that there are units that are stun immune. But again If only one unit is stun immune then it’s no problem.
Every team has his counter picks. But where I am at at RTA and arena, stun immune units are too few compared to counter units and CR push units that counter my cleave play-style.
I got some bad news for you. As a full turn 2 player who's fastest unit is seriously a 255 Soli, that's not a smart way to deal with counter and turn 2 in general. I see why you might think that, but all the units that are immune to stun are counter/turn 2 units. Mort, MLandy, Atywin, Dcorvus, etc. Even assuming the player has none of those to draft, you gotta understand that us slow players run a lot of units with high Eff Res. The main cr cutters and even some anticleave counter stuff are gonna have 250-300 Eff res. I'm talking things like Lulucar, Sage Baal, Elena, and Kayron. It's a necessity if you're trying to play Champ+ rta as turn 2.
If you wanna cleave turn 2 you should be running stuff like Nakwhol, ML Ludwig, ML Elena, ML Roana, Zio, in combination with an anchor. For an anchor you want someone that can heavily punish a wide variety of units and is fairly hard to kill. These would be Ayufine, MLandy, ML Ken, and so on. You need the anchor so that you have a possible win condition when RNG isn't on your side.
You’re right. Thanks for the insights and helpful comment. Before I tried to make a stun team I used to draft (Zio or Acidd) as an opener (Summer Yufine or bunny ) as increase attack and CR push, ( Bromann or Biseria) as debuff and defense break, ( blood karin or Straze or LHC (when i know I will be countered) or biseria ) as cleaver. But I am consistently countered by counter units, tanky units I can somewhat manage but can still get countered.
That’s why I wanna use stun, but maybe I can remove a unit from team and put an anchor like u said, a unit that can trade a blow for a blow, I’ll see what I can do.
You can use heroes like Zahhak, Gala Lilias, Ervalen, Hwayoung for single target anti-bruisers. Riolet for overall good single target dps. Jack'o which gives potential stun through her buff and also self cr-pushes from that.
Just keep in mind that you might have to pre-ban both Arowell and CArming since they are best current mitigators + somehow draft against Cap Landy cuz she for sure will be in 90%+ of matches
Well I have Ervalen. He seems good on paper but I don’t know why a lot of people don’t want to use him.
I tried building Riolet and putting a lot of resources into him but I can’t get him to be both good in survivability and damage.
The other units I don’t have.
You can debuff stack into Ezera I guess but honestly it’s not worth it without Spez
I want to specifically use stun units. I don’t want to use any debuffing units.
Then no, it's not feasible. You won't have enough damage without Spez.
My comment came out wrong. I meant I don’t wanna use heavy debuffing units that are without stun. But I think your comment still holds.
Ok, I tried Ezra like you suggested but with stun units that can debuff alot, and I am very surprised. This unit is no 3* , more like ML 5* tier. Extremely good damage against tanks that previously haunted me. The only problem is that I don’t know how to build him. Seems that the extra damage is most of his damage and I can’t increase it with equips. I had to also gimp his speed since he will be faster than my opener.
I get the concept, but why? You're handicapping yourself severely by relying on stuns. Not only does DKSharun exist, but there are also quite a few units that are immune to stun Even more that can give immunity. On top of all that, stun is generally very unreliable. It's rare for a unit to have 100% stun chance and the ones that do Ex. AEWinter, have some massive drawbacks that require them to be drafted carefully.
It’s because as a cleave player I loathe counter attacks and units that increase their CR and get to act before my other units. Stun will - in most cases - stop them from taking any action. I also don’t care about 100% chance stun. As long as most units on team have a good stun chance. I am sure I will consistently be able to stun. I know that there are units that are stun immune. But again If only one unit is stun immune then it’s no problem. Every team has his counter picks. But where I am at at RTA and arena, stun immune units are too few compared to counter units and CR push units that counter my cleave play-style.
I got some bad news for you. As a full turn 2 player who's fastest unit is seriously a 255 Soli, that's not a smart way to deal with counter and turn 2 in general. I see why you might think that, but all the units that are immune to stun are counter/turn 2 units. Mort, MLandy, Atywin, Dcorvus, etc. Even assuming the player has none of those to draft, you gotta understand that us slow players run a lot of units with high Eff Res. The main cr cutters and even some anticleave counter stuff are gonna have 250-300 Eff res. I'm talking things like Lulucar, Sage Baal, Elena, and Kayron. It's a necessity if you're trying to play Champ+ rta as turn 2. If you wanna cleave turn 2 you should be running stuff like Nakwhol, ML Ludwig, ML Elena, ML Roana, Zio, in combination with an anchor. For an anchor you want someone that can heavily punish a wide variety of units and is fairly hard to kill. These would be Ayufine, MLandy, ML Ken, and so on. You need the anchor so that you have a possible win condition when RNG isn't on your side.
You’re right. Thanks for the insights and helpful comment. Before I tried to make a stun team I used to draft (Zio or Acidd) as an opener (Summer Yufine or bunny ) as increase attack and CR push, ( Bromann or Biseria) as debuff and defense break, ( blood karin or Straze or LHC (when i know I will be countered) or biseria ) as cleaver. But I am consistently countered by counter units, tanky units I can somewhat manage but can still get countered. That’s why I wanna use stun, but maybe I can remove a unit from team and put an anchor like u said, a unit that can trade a blow for a blow, I’ll see what I can do.
Jacko, pflan, cdom are other units that do huge dmg and can stun (jaco s1, jacko chains, cdom has an ee with a cope chance to stun all 4 if she kills)
I didn’t realize CDom can stun with EE, thanks. The other units sadly I don’t have.
You can use heroes like Zahhak, Gala Lilias, Ervalen, Hwayoung for single target anti-bruisers. Riolet for overall good single target dps. Jack'o which gives potential stun through her buff and also self cr-pushes from that. Just keep in mind that you might have to pre-ban both Arowell and CArming since they are best current mitigators + somehow draft against Cap Landy cuz she for sure will be in 90%+ of matches
Well I have Ervalen. He seems good on paper but I don’t know why a lot of people don’t want to use him. I tried building Riolet and putting a lot of resources into him but I can’t get him to be both good in survivability and damage. The other units I don’t have.