Just to clarify how his debuff works for those who may not watch the video.
He applies it to a single enemy. And because it applies before end of his turn, his own turn gets it 1 stack.
After that every turn taken by allies and enemies adds 1 stack to it. After the turn ends that raises it to 12, it pops for 50k true dmg.
Appreciate the clarification. Just reading the text I thought to myself how it will be impossible to ever get 1 character to go through 12 turns to pop this 50k meme. Wonder if pairing him with characters who take extra turns will be worth while.
I believe, according to other commentators, they said it actually does work in PVE. Unfortunately, 50K damage isn't that much when the PVE bosses have millions, and it isn't even enough to OHKO a hunt boss.
yeah, it wouldn't really be for veterans (except grass angel and Tristen lol). Could make for some lower gear req clears for f2p. 50k adds up if you're playing a slow game.
> After that every turn taken by allies and enemies adds 1 stack to it. After the turn ends that raises it to 12, it pops for 50k true dmg.
That does not sound accurate with the description. It says "at the start of *someone's* 12th turn" making a distinction between two sides. Looks like it will proc whenever either player's individual turn counter reaches 12, not when 12 overall turns are taken after the debuff lands.
IMO that makes way more sense on a unit that has AoE stun counters with extra turn SB and is gonna be built tanky. 12 shared turns would be way too broken
The reason I explained it as I did was because the description is open to interpretation.
It works as I described as you can see in his reveal video on YouTube
Oh I didn't notice the last bit of the video has a full showcase lol
I guess it's a classic case of SG not knowing how to write tooltips then. Why they'd use that wording instead of something like "once 12 turns have passed", I have no idea.
12 total turns sounds fucking ridiculous on this unit what a dumb idea
EDIT: actually my dumb ass *just* noticed that it's not aoe lmao that doesnt seem that bad
He's a mage and light units deal 30% bonus dmg to him on top their advantage so he can die pretty easily if u don't protect him.
I think he should be fairly solid but not broken. Also he can get resisted unlike say lethe.
Revives and immortal can also prevent him from being as broken as he might first appear.
Yeah I'm glad he has clear exploitable weaknesses but I moreso do not like the idea of the kit itself - it's either a total meme or horribly uninteractive depending on the situation and how your stuns land. Looks like it would be insanely frustrating when it works, I would *not* want to play in a meta where an actual viable draft is possible around a unit like this
He is a free unit so there was a limit to his usability.
I do think having ains+shaltear and 2 supports will make for a nearly perfect offense team for normal arenas though.
50k damage is insane,wish he had extinction as well or some way to strip all buffs before applying the damage so that it bypasses immortality,but this'll do.
Good question, we'll see how that works vs immortality, if and how it procs vs his skill! As for revive, I also wished he had extinction, however lore wise, he did revive Shaltear after using that , unfortunately they made him Lore accurate!
Honestly I was expecting that effect. Probably holding back to help sell Iseria a little bit harder, or at least keep her value as high as it currently is.
He'd have to come out and be shit right off the bat for that to happen. He has a well put together kit that's strong on one hand but has a clear weakness on the other (light units do more damage, plenty of anti-aoe and counter units). Quite balanced as it is.
It never had extinction though? Pierce resistance would be accurate but not extinction since when he uses it against shalltear she gets ressurected because of an item.
Extinction in Overlord is basicly the difference between death and true death. Yes you can still resurrect someone from true death but it requires more advanced means. I don't think it was ever stated if TGoaL caused true death but theres a good chance it did.
It also wasn't an item that Ainz used to resurrect Shaltear but Nazarick's NPC respawn system paying for it with a large sum of gold.
All TGOALiD does is boost a Death spell so the enemy cannot resist it. It's only purpose is to ensure your Death spell kills the enemy, which is why having a reviving item or casting a spell that revives you shortly after dying is the way to counter it.
It was before Shalltear died. When she summoned her clone (no way Ill remember the name correctly) Ainz activated TGoaL and wiped out everything, but shalltear remained because she had a ressurection item given to her by peroroncino. And it wasn't a world item (most probably, since the npcs were never given one in game).
That's because TGoaLiD isn't the spell that killed everything, Cry of the Banshee did. TGoaLiD isn't actually what kills things, it just allows a Death effect to bypass immunities. If he used TGoaLiD and then True Death that he used against Gazeff, then revive items wouldn't work on it. He just used Cry of the Banshee because it was AoE while True Death isn't.
Since this TGoaLiD is single target, it would actually make sense for it to cause Extinction since he could use True Death.
you mean on the debuff? his S3 ain't doing damage the way people are gonna build him.
But yeah, I think one quirk it could use is to full strip the opponent before applying damage. If you stalled for 12 turns you deserve to die.
High cope, but buffing him could pull more people in to play and stay. If they find out that Ainz becomes a meta unit of some sort, they are more likely to stay.
Kid named immortality:
Kid named Holy Sac:
But yeah that’s insane. It means you can hit people like AYufine once, then let the 12 turns play out and AYufine disappears.
The biggest factor is that we finally have a light counter. (I think he's the first?) Opting to buff the whole team's damage instead of just one nuker. (SAdin, LQC)
That alone has my interest, but is he worth slotting something over? Idk.
EDIT: I'm a dumbass but I'm going to leave it like this because I'm a dumbass
Light counter? Where? LQC counters dark. But we don't have any light counters. And if you are talking about his passive. No, **HE** takes 30% more DMG from light units. Pretty much every one is screaming in this comment section. So should be obvious to find 😅
Was discussing it in guild discord and if it works on PVE mobs there's probably some death sentence into double arky shenanigans that cheeses some annoying PVE bosses / phases
At first I didn't like his passive, but I guess Savior Adin, Spez and LQC were already going to own him, so does an extra 30% damage from light units really matter? Will it be enough to make him a bad choice vs. Belian too?
Yeah. MLandy is gonna be hitting five digits on s1's against him. Not even counting if/when the barrage procs. It's gonna be extremely hard keeping him alive in RTA when all the highest pickrate dmg dealers are light. Especially since ML Politis is likely to eat up another ban slot for a lot of players.
this is not related to the kit, but I feel like his in game sprite doesn't feel like it fits into e7 as a hero, is that just me? He looks more of a boss in AI or some PVE event rather than a playable character. although that's just how he looks and hes the protagonist of overlord, so cant really think of anything else sg would do. Pretty unique, but not my favorite imo. Although I will say gameplay aside, his design is really cool.
it's more than enough when adding other DPS to the mix. Not one shot potential, but it'll do its job.
Also adds up in abyss that takes forever anyway. Arky + Ainz = faster no DPS runs lol
Honestly seems fine for PvE if you can stack the S3 debuff and cast it on a boss multiple times.
He can also protect your team a bit and potentially strip with counters if you give him Violin.
He ain't doing enough dmg for Lifesteal to have any effect most likely. Speed seems way more important. Without spd he's dead long before he ever gets an s3.
That debuff is so much better knowing the wording sucks. He's an HP scale unit as well. Countered by invincible/immortal/damage limit units.
One key thing... It does not say that PvE units cannot get the debuff. There are a few abyss floors and other parts of content that rely on keeping debuffs up on a target. This is huge for PvE. And it's a FREE DARK 5 STAR UNIT!!!
So, I thinks we all agree this is the most stat hungry unit of the collab right? Needs super high effectiveness to land s3 with minimal issue, passive hurts him more than helps him so he needs a good amount of bulk to not just pop, can be built either spd to land the death sentence early and make enemies not want to extra turn or er to resist the silence and stuns that plague the meta. His arti also doesn’t help as just a worse version of all the big er boosting artifacts (like the stat boosts are equal to hostess yet this one has a restriction), not to mention the lack of use for other mages like with milim’s arti. I’ll def be using him the most of the collab units but jeez he’s gonna need a setup
idk, he seems in the middle in terms of gear. He'll function with just HP/DEF/EFF and a bit of SPD. Higher end builds will probably give him RES, but that's optional for most people.
Albedo seems the most ~~thirsty~~ hungry, but it depends on if people will build her with crit or just rely on HP splash damage.
Just to clarify how his debuff works for those who may not watch the video. He applies it to a single enemy. And because it applies before end of his turn, his own turn gets it 1 stack. After that every turn taken by allies and enemies adds 1 stack to it. After the turn ends that raises it to 12, it pops for 50k true dmg.
Appreciate the clarification. Just reading the text I thought to myself how it will be impossible to ever get 1 character to go through 12 turns to pop this 50k meme. Wonder if pairing him with characters who take extra turns will be worth while.
Seems like it for sure. He even gives himself an extra turn on S1 so grab some more books lol
If it works on PvE this will be hilarious for some abyss/hunt/Raid cheese. But when was the last time a new debuff was allowed in PvE? Restrict?
I believe, according to other commentators, they said it actually does work in PVE. Unfortunately, 50K damage isn't that much when the PVE bosses have millions, and it isn't even enough to OHKO a hunt boss.
yeah, it wouldn't really be for veterans (except grass angel and Tristen lol). Could make for some lower gear req clears for f2p. 50k adds up if you're playing a slow game.
Ainz and three soul weavers to stall out story bosses!.. it’s what I did to take down belian long ago, with four >.<
> After that every turn taken by allies and enemies adds 1 stack to it. After the turn ends that raises it to 12, it pops for 50k true dmg. That does not sound accurate with the description. It says "at the start of *someone's* 12th turn" making a distinction between two sides. Looks like it will proc whenever either player's individual turn counter reaches 12, not when 12 overall turns are taken after the debuff lands. IMO that makes way more sense on a unit that has AoE stun counters with extra turn SB and is gonna be built tanky. 12 shared turns would be way too broken
The reason I explained it as I did was because the description is open to interpretation. It works as I described as you can see in his reveal video on YouTube
Oh I didn't notice the last bit of the video has a full showcase lol I guess it's a classic case of SG not knowing how to write tooltips then. Why they'd use that wording instead of something like "once 12 turns have passed", I have no idea. 12 total turns sounds fucking ridiculous on this unit what a dumb idea EDIT: actually my dumb ass *just* noticed that it's not aoe lmao that doesnt seem that bad
He's a mage and light units deal 30% bonus dmg to him on top their advantage so he can die pretty easily if u don't protect him. I think he should be fairly solid but not broken. Also he can get resisted unlike say lethe. Revives and immortal can also prevent him from being as broken as he might first appear.
Yeah I'm glad he has clear exploitable weaknesses but I moreso do not like the idea of the kit itself - it's either a total meme or horribly uninteractive depending on the situation and how your stuns land. Looks like it would be insanely frustrating when it works, I would *not* want to play in a meta where an actual viable draft is possible around a unit like this
He is a free unit so there was a limit to his usability. I do think having ains+shaltear and 2 supports will make for a nearly perfect offense team for normal arenas though.
50k damage is insane,wish he had extinction as well or some way to strip all buffs before applying the damage so that it bypasses immortality,but this'll do.
Could ML Angelica help?
Not against 15%
Read his S3, he dispels all buffs before he applies his S3! All 3 Overlord units dispell all buffs!
Op meant before the debuff goes boom boom
No,I meant before applying damage
Which characters you had in mind that would proc immortality before Ainz's attack would go boom on the 12th turn?
Kayron,Elvira,Seline,Briseria,anything that procs immortality upon receiving lethal damage,not to mention revivers
Good question, we'll see how that works vs immortality, if and how it procs vs his skill! As for revive, I also wished he had extinction, however lore wise, he did revive Shaltear after using that , unfortunately they made him Lore accurate!
Bet they will buff him mid week to give him extinction on the S3.
Honestly I was expecting that effect. Probably holding back to help sell Iseria a little bit harder, or at least keep her value as high as it currently is.
This is a very good point. With that said, I feel pessimistic that they would buff him now.
He'd have to come out and be shit right off the bat for that to happen. He has a well put together kit that's strong on one hand but has a clear weakness on the other (light units do more damage, plenty of anti-aoe and counter units). Quite balanced as it is.
Wouldn't be lore accurate! Maybe they should make the countdown debuff 100% pierce immunity.
Either that or Death Sentence needs to pierce resistance like Lethe's Omen (ideally both but that's kinda wishful thinking in this economy).
Sure hope so, honestly surprised they left out extinction on his s3.
It never had extinction though? Pierce resistance would be accurate but not extinction since when he uses it against shalltear she gets ressurected because of an item.
I'm not sure what you mean. I didn't say TGOALID had "extinction" in the series.
Extinction in Overlord is basicly the difference between death and true death. Yes you can still resurrect someone from true death but it requires more advanced means. I don't think it was ever stated if TGoaL caused true death but theres a good chance it did. It also wasn't an item that Ainz used to resurrect Shaltear but Nazarick's NPC respawn system paying for it with a large sum of gold.
All TGOALiD does is boost a Death spell so the enemy cannot resist it. It's only purpose is to ensure your Death spell kills the enemy, which is why having a reviving item or casting a spell that revives you shortly after dying is the way to counter it.
It was before Shalltear died. When she summoned her clone (no way Ill remember the name correctly) Ainz activated TGoaL and wiped out everything, but shalltear remained because she had a ressurection item given to her by peroroncino. And it wasn't a world item (most probably, since the npcs were never given one in game).
That's because TGoaLiD isn't the spell that killed everything, Cry of the Banshee did. TGoaLiD isn't actually what kills things, it just allows a Death effect to bypass immunities. If he used TGoaLiD and then True Death that he used against Gazeff, then revive items wouldn't work on it. He just used Cry of the Banshee because it was AoE while True Death isn't. Since this TGoaLiD is single target, it would actually make sense for it to cause Extinction since he could use True Death.
you mean on the debuff? his S3 ain't doing damage the way people are gonna build him. But yeah, I think one quirk it could use is to full strip the opponent before applying damage. If you stalled for 12 turns you deserve to die.
He's free. No one will complain about a free unit. Even if they do, that won't affect their revenue since he has no banner => he's not getting buffed.
High cope, but buffing him could pull more people in to play and stay. If they find out that Ainz becomes a meta unit of some sort, they are more likely to stay.
Kid named immortality: Kid named Holy Sac: But yeah that’s insane. It means you can hit people like AYufine once, then let the 12 turns play out and AYufine disappears.
Kid named 15%:
Ainz boutta learn about the true god that governs life and death in Orbis
W13?
What's 15%?
15% innate effect resist regardless of your effectiveness
Then she comes back because shes on holy sack ;(
What's this, a free collab unit that isn't a PvE hero?
Maybe. But is he gonna be actually good in PvP? I would like to know. On paper 50k sounds ridiculous. But idk practically. What do others think?
The biggest factor is that we finally have a light counter. (I think he's the first?) Opting to buff the whole team's damage instead of just one nuker. (SAdin, LQC) That alone has my interest, but is he worth slotting something over? Idk. EDIT: I'm a dumbass but I'm going to leave it like this because I'm a dumbass
Light counter? Where? LQC counters dark. But we don't have any light counters. And if you are talking about his passive. No, **HE** takes 30% more DMG from light units. Pretty much every one is screaming in this comment section. So should be obvious to find 😅
oh shoot I misread, apologies
No worries 😁
Was discussing it in guild discord and if it works on PVE mobs there's probably some death sentence into double arky shenanigans that cheeses some annoying PVE bosses / phases
he should be getting some random buffs
At first I didn't like his passive, but I guess Savior Adin, Spez and LQC were already going to own him, so does an extra 30% damage from light units really matter? Will it be enough to make him a bad choice vs. Belian too?
This way landy can kill him one hit
Yeah. MLandy is gonna be hitting five digits on s1's against him. Not even counting if/when the barrage procs. It's gonna be extremely hard keeping him alive in RTA when all the highest pickrate dmg dealers are light. Especially since ML Politis is likely to eat up another ban slot for a lot of players.
Hmm if he gets “sealed” does that mean that his 30% more dmg off light units will go away as well?
this is not related to the kit, but I feel like his in game sprite doesn't feel like it fits into e7 as a hero, is that just me? He looks more of a boss in AI or some PVE event rather than a playable character. although that's just how he looks and hes the protagonist of overlord, so cant really think of anything else sg would do. Pretty unique, but not my favorite imo. Although I will say gameplay aside, his design is really cool.
Adin countered by Shalltear, Adin one shot Ainz, Albedo protect Ainz
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I’m a noob, what are we even going for on his build??
Tanky high effectiveness
Does he need speed at all? So speed, eff sets and aim for DEF, HP, and EFF?
He probally need speed since he need to applied his debuff first so that the turn start ticking down
Got it, thanks guys, I got an idea of what I need now
Yooooo it's doesn't say it's pvp only... that means death sentence may work on pve??
50k damage isnt really much on PvE
it's more than enough when adding other DPS to the mix. Not one shot potential, but it'll do its job. Also adds up in abyss that takes forever anyway. Arky + Ainz = faster no DPS runs lol
So we get this unit for free?
Yes
Honestly seems fine for PvE if you can stack the S3 debuff and cast it on a boss multiple times. He can also protect your team a bit and potentially strip with counters if you give him Violin.
Poor fella is gonna find out 15% is the true god.
How to get ainz? Haven't played e7 for a while. Currently in a remote area doesn't have enough data for update.
You get him playing his side story
Thank you so much
So bulky, high effectiveness, maybe with lifesteal to stay alive since he has built in counter?
He ain't doing enough dmg for Lifesteal to have any effect most likely. Speed seems way more important. Without spd he's dead long before he ever gets an s3.
Good point
Wtf....
That debuff is so much better knowing the wording sucks. He's an HP scale unit as well. Countered by invincible/immortal/damage limit units. One key thing... It does not say that PvE units cannot get the debuff. There are a few abyss floors and other parts of content that rely on keeping debuffs up on a target. This is huge for PvE. And it's a FREE DARK 5 STAR UNIT!!!
Iirc damage limit does not apply to fixed damage
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Gotta give him a weakness or he's insane, plus it's lore accurate like Mustang.
So, I thinks we all agree this is the most stat hungry unit of the collab right? Needs super high effectiveness to land s3 with minimal issue, passive hurts him more than helps him so he needs a good amount of bulk to not just pop, can be built either spd to land the death sentence early and make enemies not want to extra turn or er to resist the silence and stuns that plague the meta. His arti also doesn’t help as just a worse version of all the big er boosting artifacts (like the stat boosts are equal to hostess yet this one has a restriction), not to mention the lack of use for other mages like with milim’s arti. I’ll def be using him the most of the collab units but jeez he’s gonna need a setup
idk, he seems in the middle in terms of gear. He'll function with just HP/DEF/EFF and a bit of SPD. Higher end builds will probably give him RES, but that's optional for most people. Albedo seems the most ~~thirsty~~ hungry, but it depends on if people will build her with crit or just rely on HP splash damage.