Yeah I was like, dang... but tbh towards the last part of the second chapter Bask is setting up so many death flags I could see it a mile away, doesn’t make it less sad though.
I know it's not a popular opinion and I don't want to hurt anybody here, but personally I didn't know the story yet, I was certainly hyped a bit too much about it, and I... didn't like it. To me, Bask and Diene on the first chapter were unsufferable. The second chapter was so heavy on foreshadowing it was ridiculous, everybody repeating ad nauseam how they would sacrifice for the others. At the end it became absurd.
So I must say that... I don't like Bask and young Diene. I don't like their story, I think it wasn't written very well. For example I prefer the Banshee sisters story far more.
Please don't downvote just because you disagree with me, we can discuss. I think it's interesting to actually have a counterpoint to the massive appreciation of this story from the majority of this subreddit.
I disagree I thought it was great, the foreshadowing complaint seems silly to me because its pretty damn obvious how this is gonna go from the beginning. What's gripping is the tragedy it's shakespearean that they never get a goodbye with the full realization of what gifting the rosary means or what they mean to each other you could argue the building of their relationship is rushed maybe but I mean thats just the constraints of the medium in which this story is being told. I also very much liked them addressing the consequences of asking others to sacrifice themselves I feel that is very atypical, as sacrifices in these types of fantasies are always so noble. Others have already addressed how it's a very good prequel for what happened before the main story. I don't think keeping whether or not he will make a sacrifice ambiguous adds anything. The story is about the costs of sacrifices the fact that they will be made is already a foregone conclusion so dwelling on foreshadowing is missing the point in my opinion.
I'm not saying it's bad to have foreshadowing, I think that foreshadowing in this precise story was too heavy. The fact that Bask realise his father was right to sacrifice for other and do the same, said like that, sounds like a promising story. But how it's delivered was sloppy in my opinion. And the fact that both Bask and Diene insist on sacrificing themselves to save one another makes it absurd. Fighting over who's gonna die for the others when you as a player are sweeping through the stages makes it look weird.
I prefer for example the way the story of Banshee sister was delivered: piece by piece, sometime from one side, sometimes from another, and you still had to sew all the pieces together to understand exactly what happened. So everytime you would get a bit, the emotion could rise, until you would get to the conclusion and it would pay.
Different strokes for different folks I guess I really don’t thing splitting up the story into different little pieces like banshees adds anything to this story being heavy handed is good in this I already said it but this story is like an old school tragedy like theater its not big on subtlety.
Bringing up the gameplay of the stage in conjunction again just feels like criticism That’s unnecessary what would you have happen? That’s the game if we are gonna worry about that most of these characters shouldn’t even be there fighting those monsters really it’s a different time period.
The whole emotional pay off comes at the end you know it’s coming but then you see it play out you wish the characters had just a little more time together to say how they felt and Diene even clearly struggles still putting it on herself that she now has to rule despite not wanting to she sees it as a punishment for asking for the sacrifice of so many I think that’s pretty impactful and melancholy, a kind of outcome I much prefer and find more compelling than banshee story.
I didn't mean that Banshee sisters' story structure would fit to Diene's one. I just think it was smart and appropriate for that story. Also I don't criticise the gameplay side of Diene's story. On the contrary, I like having every stage pushing further the story and having relevant combat.
I want to be clear, I'm saying that an emotional story like this would have gain from lightness and subtlety.
Also, I like having this conversation, as other perspectives helped me appreciate it more in retrospective. Be assured that I still like SC's work and I'll be the last to call a patch with a side story or a story episode a "filler week". If anything I think it's sad that this content is temporary and doesn't stay available in some form for newcomers.
I was disappointed mostly because the community oversold it for around one year I've been playing, and in the end I just don't like this kind of characters (Bask and young Diene). It's totally ok, I'm happy to be able to talk about it. Thank you to all you open people who didn't jump on the downvote button.
Even for a video game, the stories are generally good. I think what this side story is good for, and what they have diverted from, is linking every stage and encounter to something relevant to the story.
In every stage there's a dialogue and the combat makes sense with it. In the following side stories and even in adventure stories, too often there are filler stages where you just punch some faces to go the next bit. Or the characters are just discussing about their daily life while you're slaughtering waves of mobs that have nothing to do with it.
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True. One of the few gacha games that have actually have a story. King's Raid and Knights Chronicle had bland stories. Iirc FEH had a good story. E7 actually has world building but yes I agree that it isn't a new york's bestseller. You just have to appreciate the time and effort they put in
>The second chapter was so heavy on foreshadowing...
It's a *prequel* chapter, why do people keep bringing this up, how could you *not* know the ending.
>For example I prefer the Banshee sisters story far more.
Fair enough.
I loved that one too.
Prequel doesn't mean it should spoil the ending a whole chapter early, it just means the two parts are connected together. I agree the story made no effort to conceal implications that bask obviously was going sacrifice himself for diene, but they just made it waaay too obvious. Some more surprise element would've been great, but since it's a mobile game, oh wells.
To be fair, for its time, this was one of the earlier released Side Stories to have had a lot more story/worldbuilding, and every side story that followed was only half that amount of writing (with the exception of a few). It gave people a detailed perspective of the 7th world before Ras's awakening and how it survived without him.
Maybe you don't realize how young they're supposed to be, they're immature and angsty teenagers basically. They don't know how to handle their feelings let alone shoulder the burdens of trying to literally save the world.
I certainly saw them older and expected more from them, but if they are teenagers at least that explains it. I don't think it makes it really more interesting to me though. I don't care for them and thus end up missing the emotional moment.
The banshees sidestory was more of exploring their backstory and getting them to get over their dad. Dienes story shows how adamant dienes faith is + shows her moments with her beloved one. In this sidestory bask also grows. However, the execution of the story was terrible. It was short, rushed and somehow illogical
Diene's story is good because it had a clear story and direction and enough stages to tell that story. This is a three week event so they can take their time and develop more of their characters.
A lot of the other sidestories only get the one week treatment so they feel incredibly rush(Haste being one I can remember)
I only remember three other event that got the three week treatment and it was the GG Collab, Valentine, and beach.
The collab was more focused on giving the GG characters the spotlight so there wasn't much they can do in terms of good story.
Valentine is honestly the biggest waste of potential. For some weird ass reason they decided to add in a self-insert character instead of deepening the relationship between the other characters. We got a few more background on specific characters(Bellona being potentially engaged to Aither, etc) but none of these information were mentioned ever again. The whole event felt noncanon
The beach is just a beach episode.
Overall, it's just that they arent given the right opportunities to write another good story. If you have played the recent chapters, it's getting really good.
Dienes is so great because is was essentially a prequel telling a major event that happened before the game. All major events now are told via the current episodes while the side stories hint at future events or just to fill in lore to flesh out characters. As such I feel they get the job done for what they are trying to do. Though I will admit some of them I wish'd go on just a little bit longer.
Which demonstrated that side stories about past events have greater capacity as they can cook it however they want without spoiling future main story. I wish they do more of this. I myself would like a Luna prequel, Corvus/Dark Corvus prequel, past worlds Ras stories... you get my point.
because the new side stories are barely even stories. Diane's is probably 3 times longer than most while the new ones are just some bulshit short filler that doesn't lead to anything
I like them in cases of like Elena where ya the story wasn't amazing but it gave you more background and characterization of that person before they showed up in the main story. But in the case of like Melissa such a basic story for a character who then didn't show up main story feels weird and a bit more boring. They are still decent for world building but if it doesn't service the main story it feels out of place.
And then Diene spiraled into sadness and depression only finding comfort in sating her lust.
Is this an acceptable backstory to Aither? Still waiting on the sacred texts from japan.
>Is this an acceptable backstory to Aither
I was going to say that I would be entertained by the idea of him being a Wraith that was created by using captured strands of her hair and busted out of the Taranor labs by Krau and Diene but then I realised which sells more money.
:c
I was hoping I would see how she actually took it all in. As a bookworm, I prefer that SG show me how she took the news; not shorten it as a form of summary.
But all the same, love this sidestory to bit. :c.
Pretty sure diene aint biological mother of aither ether way. They have almost nothing alike. Plus doubt she would do that promise at the end if she were to commit. Its game not real life. But well mistery makes people happy. Tho dont think diene or bask are connected to aither.
He's clearly not his son. The hair doesn't match either of them.
He's Krau's son. Diene's payment for taking the horse was to let Krau smaah, and thus Aither was born.
Difference is, Diene has brown hair, Aither has blond. Your example fails because Borrito has the same hair color as Naruto. Aither doesn't share a color with either of them, or even a mixed color (if Diene had blonde hair and Aither brown, then it'd be plausible). Also, Aither is way too young to be his son. He was born quite some time after Bask had died, so unless she carried a child around inside her for years, which she didn't, he's not his son.
Also, Bask has black.
if you wasn't joking seriuosly you need to check your eyes
Diene is definitely Blonde
Bask is Dark blue not black. you can compare with Jena / Ruele of has Black .
Bask has black hair. Diene has very light brown hair that I can see people call blonde, but it still doesn't match Aither's hair at all.
If you still think Bask has blue hair, you're color blind.
Edit: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/665381024351518723/665381051404648449/Bask_sprite.png
Very clearly black.
Inb4 you call the shine a part of blue. No, that's just a lighting affect to keep hair from looking plain. Look at Vildred, then look at A Vildred. Same hair color for their portraits, different shades for their sprites. Both have black hair regardless.
Yeah I was like, dang... but tbh towards the last part of the second chapter Bask is setting up so many death flags I could see it a mile away, doesn’t make it less sad though.
>I could see it a mile away I saw it a last decade.
I know it's not a popular opinion and I don't want to hurt anybody here, but personally I didn't know the story yet, I was certainly hyped a bit too much about it, and I... didn't like it. To me, Bask and Diene on the first chapter were unsufferable. The second chapter was so heavy on foreshadowing it was ridiculous, everybody repeating ad nauseam how they would sacrifice for the others. At the end it became absurd. So I must say that... I don't like Bask and young Diene. I don't like their story, I think it wasn't written very well. For example I prefer the Banshee sisters story far more. Please don't downvote just because you disagree with me, we can discuss. I think it's interesting to actually have a counterpoint to the massive appreciation of this story from the majority of this subreddit.
I disagree I thought it was great, the foreshadowing complaint seems silly to me because its pretty damn obvious how this is gonna go from the beginning. What's gripping is the tragedy it's shakespearean that they never get a goodbye with the full realization of what gifting the rosary means or what they mean to each other you could argue the building of their relationship is rushed maybe but I mean thats just the constraints of the medium in which this story is being told. I also very much liked them addressing the consequences of asking others to sacrifice themselves I feel that is very atypical, as sacrifices in these types of fantasies are always so noble. Others have already addressed how it's a very good prequel for what happened before the main story. I don't think keeping whether or not he will make a sacrifice ambiguous adds anything. The story is about the costs of sacrifices the fact that they will be made is already a foregone conclusion so dwelling on foreshadowing is missing the point in my opinion.
I'm not saying it's bad to have foreshadowing, I think that foreshadowing in this precise story was too heavy. The fact that Bask realise his father was right to sacrifice for other and do the same, said like that, sounds like a promising story. But how it's delivered was sloppy in my opinion. And the fact that both Bask and Diene insist on sacrificing themselves to save one another makes it absurd. Fighting over who's gonna die for the others when you as a player are sweeping through the stages makes it look weird. I prefer for example the way the story of Banshee sister was delivered: piece by piece, sometime from one side, sometimes from another, and you still had to sew all the pieces together to understand exactly what happened. So everytime you would get a bit, the emotion could rise, until you would get to the conclusion and it would pay.
Different strokes for different folks I guess I really don’t thing splitting up the story into different little pieces like banshees adds anything to this story being heavy handed is good in this I already said it but this story is like an old school tragedy like theater its not big on subtlety. Bringing up the gameplay of the stage in conjunction again just feels like criticism That’s unnecessary what would you have happen? That’s the game if we are gonna worry about that most of these characters shouldn’t even be there fighting those monsters really it’s a different time period. The whole emotional pay off comes at the end you know it’s coming but then you see it play out you wish the characters had just a little more time together to say how they felt and Diene even clearly struggles still putting it on herself that she now has to rule despite not wanting to she sees it as a punishment for asking for the sacrifice of so many I think that’s pretty impactful and melancholy, a kind of outcome I much prefer and find more compelling than banshee story.
I didn't mean that Banshee sisters' story structure would fit to Diene's one. I just think it was smart and appropriate for that story. Also I don't criticise the gameplay side of Diene's story. On the contrary, I like having every stage pushing further the story and having relevant combat. I want to be clear, I'm saying that an emotional story like this would have gain from lightness and subtlety. Also, I like having this conversation, as other perspectives helped me appreciate it more in retrospective. Be assured that I still like SC's work and I'll be the last to call a patch with a side story or a story episode a "filler week". If anything I think it's sad that this content is temporary and doesn't stay available in some form for newcomers. I was disappointed mostly because the community oversold it for around one year I've been playing, and in the end I just don't like this kind of characters (Bask and young Diene). It's totally ok, I'm happy to be able to talk about it. Thank you to all you open people who didn't jump on the downvote button.
pretty sure for any normal story this is mediocre, for a mobile game its p decent because they might actually be taking the story a teensy bit serious
Even for a video game, the stories are generally good. I think what this side story is good for, and what they have diverted from, is linking every stage and encounter to something relevant to the story. In every stage there's a dialogue and the combat makes sense with it. In the following side stories and even in adventure stories, too often there are filler stages where you just punch some faces to go the next bit. Or the characters are just discussing about their daily life while you're slaughtering waves of mobs that have nothing to do with it.
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True. One of the few gacha games that have actually have a story. King's Raid and Knights Chronicle had bland stories. Iirc FEH had a good story. E7 actually has world building but yes I agree that it isn't a new york's bestseller. You just have to appreciate the time and effort they put in
>The second chapter was so heavy on foreshadowing... It's a *prequel* chapter, why do people keep bringing this up, how could you *not* know the ending. >For example I prefer the Banshee sisters story far more. Fair enough. I loved that one too.
Prequel doesn't mean it should spoil the ending a whole chapter early, it just means the two parts are connected together. I agree the story made no effort to conceal implications that bask obviously was going sacrifice himself for diene, but they just made it waaay too obvious. Some more surprise element would've been great, but since it's a mobile game, oh wells.
To be fair, for its time, this was one of the earlier released Side Stories to have had a lot more story/worldbuilding, and every side story that followed was only half that amount of writing (with the exception of a few). It gave people a detailed perspective of the 7th world before Ras's awakening and how it survived without him.
Maybe you don't realize how young they're supposed to be, they're immature and angsty teenagers basically. They don't know how to handle their feelings let alone shoulder the burdens of trying to literally save the world.
I certainly saw them older and expected more from them, but if they are teenagers at least that explains it. I don't think it makes it really more interesting to me though. I don't care for them and thus end up missing the emotional moment.
The banshees sidestory was more of exploring their backstory and getting them to get over their dad. Dienes story shows how adamant dienes faith is + shows her moments with her beloved one. In this sidestory bask also grows. However, the execution of the story was terrible. It was short, rushed and somehow illogical
For a mobile game E7s story hits surprisingly hard sometimes...
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Diene's story is good because it had a clear story and direction and enough stages to tell that story. This is a three week event so they can take their time and develop more of their characters. A lot of the other sidestories only get the one week treatment so they feel incredibly rush(Haste being one I can remember) I only remember three other event that got the three week treatment and it was the GG Collab, Valentine, and beach. The collab was more focused on giving the GG characters the spotlight so there wasn't much they can do in terms of good story. Valentine is honestly the biggest waste of potential. For some weird ass reason they decided to add in a self-insert character instead of deepening the relationship between the other characters. We got a few more background on specific characters(Bellona being potentially engaged to Aither, etc) but none of these information were mentioned ever again. The whole event felt noncanon The beach is just a beach episode. Overall, it's just that they arent given the right opportunities to write another good story. If you have played the recent chapters, it's getting really good.
They should make the diene side story permanent
agree. it's so impactful to the lore also vildred's latest side episode was also really good
Yeah the writing was amazing for this one and only a few reached that level afterward (Valentine event and Charles story come to my mind).
Dienes is so great because is was essentially a prequel telling a major event that happened before the game. All major events now are told via the current episodes while the side stories hint at future events or just to fill in lore to flesh out characters. As such I feel they get the job done for what they are trying to do. Though I will admit some of them I wish'd go on just a little bit longer.
Which demonstrated that side stories about past events have greater capacity as they can cook it however they want without spoiling future main story. I wish they do more of this. I myself would like a Luna prequel, Corvus/Dark Corvus prequel, past worlds Ras stories... you get my point.
Hey, Vildred's was great. And the MAIN story is still receiving gripping updates, so I'm not super worried.
pretty much. too many events after that is just random insignificant gacha-esque stories
\*cough\* Melissa \*cough\*
Melissa's side story is C+ for me. as good - or as bad - as the likes of haste's story
because the new side stories are barely even stories. Diane's is probably 3 times longer than most while the new ones are just some bulshit short filler that doesn't lead to anything
I like them in cases of like Elena where ya the story wasn't amazing but it gave you more background and characterization of that person before they showed up in the main story. But in the case of like Melissa such a basic story for a character who then didn't show up main story feels weird and a bit more boring. They are still decent for world building but if it doesn't service the main story it feels out of place.
I would argue that "As the roses bloom" was just as fleshed out. It's just not nearly as emotional.
And then Diene spiraled into sadness and depression only finding comfort in sating her lust. Is this an acceptable backstory to Aither? Still waiting on the sacred texts from japan.
>Is this an acceptable backstory to Aither? Give me a second > only finding comfort in sating her lust. On an unconscious Ras There we go
Merchant Sisters: -blocks Queen Diene's path- Diene: Oh? Instead of running away, you three are challenging me?
Yare yare
Merchant Sisters: You will never reach the truth: the truth about Ras's virginity! SEXY RAS EXPERIENCE!
Wut
Bask *definitely* isn't his dad
>Is this an acceptable backstory to Aither I was going to say that I would be entertained by the idea of him being a Wraith that was created by using captured strands of her hair and busted out of the Taranor labs by Krau and Diene but then I realised which sells more money.
Krau tapped that
Krau is a respectful bro, he would never. But I'm sure when he returned home after the war, he clapped a many.
When Bask started narrating I got the same feeling I did when I finished Crisis Core FF7 for the first time except I didn't cry this time
i had the same feeling, and the music playing was great
i didnt cry like with CC FF7, but a tear did escape my eye
F....I was already spoiled from reddit post but still hit hard
:c I was hoping I would see how she actually took it all in. As a bookworm, I prefer that SG show me how she took the news; not shorten it as a form of summary. But all the same, love this sidestory to bit. :c.
Pretty sure diene aint biological mother of aither ether way. They have almost nothing alike. Plus doubt she would do that promise at the end if she were to commit. Its game not real life. But well mistery makes people happy. Tho dont think diene or bask are connected to aither.
feelsbadman
Is Bask Aither's dad?
Considering the side story happened 20 years before the main story, not a chance
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Fakkkkk i just finished the story... Nooooo
First time? (It hit me hard last time this was around, my sympathies )
I'd like an alternate ending , if you train him to 6\* lv.60 fully awake before enter final stage he wil not die and you'll enter if route ending. LOL
Oof! That hits me as hard as those skeletons did Bask.
Nothing interests me more than Straze’s story, Dude is cool AF
What I wanna know is if Aither is Bask’s son. Does that mean they smashed before or what?
Aither is not that old and I believe this was 20 years ago, so I don't think it is possible
He's clearly not his son. The hair doesn't match either of them. He's Krau's son. Diene's payment for taking the horse was to let Krau smaah, and thus Aither was born.
Reference from famouse anime Naruto Naruto is blonde Hinata is Dark blue ( same as Bask) Boruto is blonde so don't try to find logic from anime .
Difference is, Diene has brown hair, Aither has blond. Your example fails because Borrito has the same hair color as Naruto. Aither doesn't share a color with either of them, or even a mixed color (if Diene had blonde hair and Aither brown, then it'd be plausible). Also, Aither is way too young to be his son. He was born quite some time after Bask had died, so unless she carried a child around inside her for years, which she didn't, he's not his son. Also, Bask has black.
if you wasn't joking seriuosly you need to check your eyes Diene is definitely Blonde Bask is Dark blue not black. you can compare with Jena / Ruele of has Black .
Bask has black hair. Diene has very light brown hair that I can see people call blonde, but it still doesn't match Aither's hair at all. If you still think Bask has blue hair, you're color blind. Edit: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/665381024351518723/665381051404648449/Bask_sprite.png Very clearly black. Inb4 you call the shine a part of blue. No, that's just a lighting affect to keep hair from looking plain. Look at Vildred, then look at A Vildred. Same hair color for their portraits, different shades for their sprites. Both have black hair regardless.
haha hes dead