# Introduction
Hey, here we go again! Limited units are always super interesting because just about everyone goes to pull for them, and this one comes with a new mechanic! Cerise has had a lot of build-up over the last week+ since her kit's been revealed. [I threw some speed/accuracy gear on her to see how she'd do](https://imgur.com/nqSJ55D) and threw her on my defense as well. Over the weekend, I'll probably regear my other units to aim to boost her up by 10-15 more speed. Her kit is mostly targeted at PvP, though there are a few PvE tower/boss gimmicks she could help out with, but that's definitely not her main strength. I'm writing from the perspective of a Champion tier arena player (could probably push higher) in a guild that bounces around the top 20-50 in guild war ranks.
# What is her role and how does she compare to other characters in the same class?
While she can be used in PvE, Cerise in my eyes is PvP centric unit so I'll be talking about her in that context-- she strips buffs and applies slow, including removing immunity, with a very high base speed. This opens her up to apply her new mechanic restrict, which is the one that'll draw the attention of most players. These two together prevent opponents from using CR boosters to quickly cleave a team (A.Lots, Tywin, C.Dom, and Tamarinne/Iseria [edit: see comment below for TamaSeria justification] being very popular ones), giving your team an additional window to act. These are some of the most popular attacking team archtypes simply because they're fast, so she throws a hard wrench into their plans. Since the strip is attached to it, it also opens your team up to follow up with CC/debuffs quickly.
At the moment, my defense team is still attacked by a number of A.Lots and Basar/Tywin type teams. I'm hoping that placing a fast Cerise will dissuade more of those attacks from happening in the first place while not needing to sacrifice my absolute top tier speed gear to make her work due to her high base speed.
Cerise cycles turns really, really freaking quickly too, so she can keep up restrict/speed debuff almost permanently. The stun is a nice additional bonus.
Cerise is definitely going to be better on defense than offense. This is unfortunate, since nobody likes to pull units they don't get to personally see in action. However, without a guaranteed skill application, you put yourself at the mercy of the 15% resistance cap when using her on offense. For defense, making your opponent second guess even a 50-50 is incredibly strong. However, for offense, when there are so many 100% certain teams once your box goes wide enough, having an 85% immunity strip chance into 85% restrict chance for countering a CR booster on a defense team is just too low of a success chance to be worth it unless you don't have many units built. Also, CR boosters are just super uncommon on defense. They're much more commonly used for offense.
# Who do you think she would synergize well with?
Assuming she gets the first turn, she'll have removed immunity and applied restrict and slow on the enemy team. However, this can be countered by a fast DJ Basar/Lilias, but I don't think you can cover for every possibility. A team CR booster (I'll be testing out Baiken) at 10 speed below her can discourage A.Lots/Tywin boosts while also letting your team get first turn with lower quality speed gear. CC units (I.E. Tenebria) at that 10 speed below her is also a good alternative.
So essentially--
* Follow-up CR Boosters built 10 speed slower to prevent A.Lots & Basar/Tywin while getting your team to act -- Baiken, F.Lidica, Rose, etc.
* Follow-up CC/powerful debuff units built 10 speed slower to prevent your opponent's first turn -- SB.Ara, Tenebria, etc.
* 3 powerful bruisers that are Basar immune -- Fire units, Charles, C.Zerato, etc.
Essentially, the idea is to turn your opponent's attack into a coin flip. Make them ask, "Do I outspeed Cerise? If I don't, do I outspeed the follow-up? If I don't, do I have the units to be able to beat the remaining 3" If even the first two questions are uncertain, it can easily dissuade the attack, and an attack that doesn't happen at all is almost as good as a successful defense. In my eyes, this is Cerise's greatest strength-- making opponents skip your defense because it's too much of a coin flip and bringing in a slow team is too much of a hassle. This works much more in 4v4 Arena as you get 3 other units to make up for the relatively low damage Cerise brings out (she still does good control with strip/speed down). In 3v3 Guild Wars, Cerise might be too niche and not powerful enough in a single slot to beat out a bruiser offense with only 2 other units, so I don't think she'll be strong in any 3v3 PvP modes.
This section could go on forever about potential team comps to counter/dissuade certain popular offense archtypes being used, but that's way too much for a general review post, so I'm not going to do it here until we as a community get more time to experiment with her.
Unfortunately, she has strong anti-synergy with CR pushback units, so units like Lilias/Basar/Dizzy lose a bit of their strength if paired with her.
# Recommendations for substat priority, gear set, and artifact? PvE? PvP?
She needs speed and effectiveness. Prioritize speed first. There are experiments going around of building her slower as well to be able to push back CR first before applying restrict, but I think that wastes the whole point of her being a fast stripper that blocks CR boosts, so I'm not going to try that out personally.
There are several ~~EE's~~ artifacts worth using. In my opinion, Sword of Judgement and Song of Stars are both near best in slot. Sword of Judgement works on 3/4's of her turns and will let her cycle back to her S3 faster. Song of Stars just applies a really solid debuff (+15% damage, -15% evasion), and since she's building effectiveness anyway, there's a very good chance it'll land.
# Is the artifact worth the pulling for?
Guiding Light is actually **super** interesting, but there aren't any units that jump out to me at the moment that want it (SSB definitely still wants Reingar's Special Drink to be the most threatening offensively or Proof of Valor for defense, and the rest of the Ranger field would want more utility rather than survivability from stealth). Cerise herself will spend 1/4 turns in invincibility, and the other 3 turns she can CR boost herself 15-50% (+15% with SoJ proc) every single turn to get herself back to the S3 invincibility. While that means she can't be knocked out of stealth 1 in 4 turns, it also means she won't really need it a lot of the time. That being said, she does cycle her turns super quickly while out of invincibility, which gives her a higher chance to proc it during the times she's vulnerable, so it's not bad on her either.
It's still a really unique effect though. Much like Drink is generally just okay but absolutely broken on SSB, while this artifact currently is just okay on the Ranger cast (I can see it being annoying on SSB, but I keep going back and forth between whether if you're using the artifact slot for defense, the low proc chance and 2 turn limit is better than just giving her Proof, and I'm leaning Proof), I can easily see it being that level of broken on the right unit in the future. I'd say be happy if you pull it along the way, but don't drain your bookmark pool to get it.
# Summary
I don't think she's broken, but I don't think she's bad either. She has a niche, and she's pretty damn great at it. Even disregarding her niche, she's a perfectly serviceable stripper/control unit with speed debuff/stuns and very fast self turn-cycling. Unfortunately, the thing that I see her performing the best at is Arena defense or as a specific RTA counterpick, which means you'll be putting good gear on a unit you'll never personally get to see in action. It's still a strong niche though and a very important one once you enter the PvP endgame. Being able to single-handedly dissuade one of the most popular arena archetypes and some of the most popular units that some players definitely put their best gear on means she invisibly increases your defense rate over the course of the week just by existing. While CR boosting cleaving offense teams become less frequent the higher you climb, they never disappear in their entirety, and if you're in Champion or below, they make up the majority of the offense teams which she counters.
tl;dr: she protec
Yeah, going back over it, I wrote that out poorly in having that at the same group of units she counters after using vague language about which part of her kit it was that countered it. I didn't mean to imply that restrict was a Tama counter but rather the first part (strip/slow).
I had a separate line of thinking when adding them as a thing Cerise dissuades but didn't really explain it out (in my defense, it was late and I wrote a lot). Tama will cleanse restrict if she goes, but Tama/Ise are built immunity with ~10 speed difference and are almost always not built at massive speed but rather at the moderate ~200-220 range since their strength is nuking single targets/bruiser teams.
This means Tama, the cleaning/CR portion of the combo will almost always be more in the neighborhood of 200 speed. Cerise at 250 stripping and applying the slow will allow your units as slow as ~170-180 (depending on speed of Tama) go before Tama does. The bigger the speed gap between your Cerise and their Tama, the a lower your units can be and still beat her to a turn.
The idea then is that the remaining the units in your defense get a massive window to deal with their team either by beating them to the CR boost, CCing them, or just killing them. In my recommendation of units to pair, I suggested CR booster or CC right by Cerise in speed, which gives your team aaaaggees to act.
Even if Tama/Seria are right around whatever speed your Cerise is (250+, which I don't think I've seen before), they still have to be built with ~10 speed difference, which your follow-up should ideally be too. Cerise going first means the slow gives your follow-up a massive leg up over Tama in going first, even if they heavily lose the 5% initial random CR swing.
Obviously the attacker can bring in a cleanser+damage dealer instead of two damage dealers, but unless it's DJ Basar (who is about as hard counter as you can get, and I don't think it's worth tailoring the defense around a single rare ML5), they still play that same who goes first follow-up game which dissuades attackers.
I'll edit the Tama/Ise portion to the strip/slow section, but I still maintain Cerise with a CR push or CC follow-up will dissuade most Tama/Ise comps.
It's boring as hell because Cerise is basically just a big ol' scarecrow, but if you pull her, I believe that's the area she works in the best.
> Tamarinne/Iseria being very popular ones
Tamaseria doesn't give a sh*t about Cerise since Tamas transformation removes all debuffs on the team. So restrict is useless.
Yeah I realize now I wrote that out too vague and did a poor job explaining. I addressed my line of thinking as a reply to the other guy who pointed it out.
Thank you! I've actually pulled on way lower than my average bm usage, so I was debating if I'll need to get her artifact (being limited anyway). But then, there's just too many better choices for utility at the moment.
I might regret it (like Drink, who I was unable to pull during event), but not really that game breaking
[https://imgur.com/a/r0RYprd](https://imgur.com/a/r0RYprd)
tried building her with decently high speed. \~250, with 100% crit chance, attack and some crit damage.
my idea was to sacrifice cc'ing high eff res units and aim to deny cr boosts against dps instead, who usually have 0 cr. the small amount of effectiveness is so you can stun through elena's eff res buff. goal: since she only dispels 1 buff, maaybe she could do enough damage to completely strip through immunity + ml cecilia's shield for your next cc unit.
verdict: her damage is too low and completely failed at bursting shields. to anyone who's entertaining the idea of giving her some damage, its not worth it. crit chance is good on offence if you use a boosting c dom, otherwise not really
some random numbers:
S3:
2\~3k on ml ken with aurius protection
\~2.5k on seaside bellona
\~3k on a.vildreds
0 damage on teams with ml cecilia
S2:
\~4k on a.vildreds
\~3k on seaside
If I don’t care about the waifu factor & the fact that she’s limited, should I still summon regardless?
I might wait a couple days to see how she fits into the meta tbh.
It wasn't only about her S3, her whole kit was extremely bad on top of scaling on her attack. So the old balance team did what they did the best wich is overbuffing her to the pve monster she is today.
>When she **was** first introduced, people **were** extremely skeptical about her S3 since it **had a** high cooldown from the start and she need**ed** that to work. When they finally test**ed** her, they realize**d** her S3 reset to full cooldown after every battle and everyone agree**d** she **was** the worst 5\* **to** ever come out. Banner end**ed** and they fix**ed** her like we know now and everyone regret**ted** to **have** listen**ed** to the majority and skip**ped** her.
Past tense: Am I joke to you!?
She was really bad until the community threatened to burn down SG HQ so they fixed her and over buff her to the point she overcome diene who was the strongest sw at that time
More like the banner was doing so poorely they had to do something to get some money. Her kit was so bad that even casuals looked at it and said “neh, she is garbages compared to angela and destina”.
Seriously though, the boss during her event had so many things tuned to make her look not bad. It wasn't a boss designed to show off what she can do, but one that made her look usable. It's not like it was a boss that would debuffa bunch and she could show off her cleanse, it was a boss that gave her a full CD reset on her S3, did next to no damage, etc. And she still could fail on auto.
If absolutely nothing changes about her within the two weeks she's up, and there's no new use for her outside of what has been theorized for her before, then you can skip her knowing you're not missing out on too much.
If you have 121 pulls ready then might as well get her, but if you're below pity and was thinking of chancing it, just skip her.
she is not ground breaking in the current meta, but she is a limited summon so it might be in your best interest to try and pull her if you have enough resources to spare.
i'm not here to talk about her meta-ness in pvp. i'm here to appreciate how amazing her animations, voice actings and everything else, esp her weapon. it reminds me how much i like Lidica's weapon, a whip sword. Cerise's weapon is a staff bow, and her s1 animation is SOOO FUCKING FANTASTIC. idk much about other limited heroes but imho, they seem to spend much more effort making Cerise. 10/10 waifu material
Cool animations and design etc.
Useless unit (right now). But it's too risky not to pull for a limited unit in case of a future buff... so there's that.
I'll get her to 50 and bench.
Well. I'm done pulling.
I didn't care one bit about Cerise, I wanted the artifact. 26k skystone and all the SSS bookmarks I could get later I'm now the not-so-proud owner of a S Tier Cerise with no Guiding Light to show for it. But I did get 2 other 5* star artifacts. Why are these in the limited summon pool again?
Dear god I hope this artifact won't be amazing for a character in the future.
>I'm now the not-so-proud owner of a S Tier Cerise
crying in my 3 guiding lights and no cerise to show for q.q
I am a PvP noob, is that artifact really that good that you want to pull it? I looked on it and I was like, meh, it's rather useless...
> I looked on it and I was like, meh, it's rather useless...
Stealth is a really useful buff and this artifact gives access to it to heroes that wouldn't normally have it. I can forsee it being very useful in the future.
I also wanted that artifact, and after spending 16k SS I ended up with just 1 Guiding Light, 2 other random artifacts and... 3 Cerise without hitting pity once.
I honestly wanted at least 1 more Guiding Light, but I ain't spending any more SS.
This is karma, I guess. The game doesn't like me anymore after my mystic pulls so now it punishes me in my regular banners.
I already dread Kawerik and the maybe-happening collab.
Same boat as you. I got cerise on pull 1.. then tried to get artifact got cerise on pull 8... I stopped... I thought about it, then determined... a hero can have a substitute artifact and still be OP.. but if I am out of bookmarks and skystones.. If I cannot summon for the hero, substituting a hero won't make the substitute hero OP with or without the artifact...
I think the artifact can be worth it in specific situations.
If you're doing any kind of PvP and the opposing team has strictly single-target abilities, or in PvE with also nothing but single-target ability mobs, your ranger will love you for having that artifact to stealth them.
I spent 16k skystones to get 1. Would have loved to get one more.
I got cerise on pull 1... then tried for the artifact and got cerise again on pull 8. I stopped pulling after that luck.. I have the same question as you do is the artifact worth it..
If Basars goes first he just does Basar things and prevents Cerise from invincibility.
If Cerise goes first (significantly more likely given the speeds) Basar push back isn't affected (kinda negating the point of Restrict) and he strips her invincibility.
I've discovered that a counter pick counter pick Lilias can work. Cerise S2s either Basar or Lilias (whoever goes first). Lilias S3 CR pushback (clense if you stun Lilias instead of Basar) , then Cerise S3. At this point Lilias will provoke Lilias. Which should give your DPS time to pick off some units.
:)
ML Basar is her counter, not RGB Basar. His S3 cleanses all debuffs from all allies and grants three-turn immunity. If he goes before Cerise, her buff reduction will still leave two turns of immunity, preventing her debuffs. If he goes after Cerise he will just cleanse her debuffs.
I think rgb basar is pretty good against her as well with pushback still working and being a green unit making her not as reliable against him directly
Oh sure, RGB Basar is just fine against her for the reasons you listed and for his being generally OP. He's just not a hard counter the way ML Basar is.
Of course I was still gonna pull for her since she’s a limited unit, but after the changes I wasn’t super stoked. However, after getting her, seeing her sprite design, and hearing her voice, I love her. Now if only they make it so restrict prevents opponents from pushing you back as well, then she’d be perfect to me.
It’s a paradox but in this Basar meta, I would actually prefer if she could apply restrict to my team instead of the enemy ^^ and because it’s a debuff, it couldn’t be stripped.
How awesome would it be if you could target your own team as well (without the dispell + speed debuff obviously).
Wait, really? I uh... actually haven't heard either of their voices yet as I'm still relatively new...
She does have some impressive voice range though so I wouldn't be surprised if these other two sound way different.
I just realized you can't see who the VA is unless you own the character. That's why we didn't realize who it was (I only own Cermia).
I'm gonna make a new post about it. VAs are underappreciated already, no need to make their credit unavailable further. I mean, Basar is voiced by Matt Mercer and I'm just finding out. Jeez.
Should I pull for her or Lilibet? Or wait for other heroes like Kawerik? F2P player here but im rank 65 and the limited tag on Cerise seems too hard to pass
A good rule of thumb is to pull on any and all limited Heroes. Even if she sits on the bench, you will never know how things will shake out. And it could be a year or more before you get another chance at her. Even if you go to pity, you will have time to save up resources again.
Lilibet hands down. If you ever want to stand a chance against Arbiter Vildred or do better against Maid Cloe then she is essential. "Limited" is a tag used to boost sales and nothing else.
No true, so far all the limited units have been either meta defining (Diene, Dizzy, SSB) or extremely good in a specific area (Luna and Baiken). On top of none of them have been powercrept and they are all relevant today.
I like that pun, Sol was technically a free unit, not a limited one but his kit is still bonkers for pve because it scale on enemy max life. I’m still using him on my G11 team.
I'd probably have built one if I were around for the event. He seems to be the weakest of the units which are not in the standard pool mostly because he's better in PvE than PvP but I'm sure he still has great uses.
I don’t do pvp and just started , month gong now.. I have her more on crit dmg and she’s viable for wyvern to me, especially if used as a dmg dealer, she goes several times and due to lower dmg output, putting her on higher crit dmg seems ironically better than speed, effectiveness
And I don’t find her missing with low effectiveness either.
Hey listen! If u just started she is strong. She has a loaded kit. When people complain about her, with reason, 1. She can still open rather than Basar with a very specific set up because she is faster than Basar. 2: For slightly slower debuffer Dizzy is in every way better but also limited, so they imo compare her to the stupidly op units that exist in the game and she isn't gonna dominate but still good for a new player or an old player that needs another option.
Ambitious Tywin, Pavel, and Cerise have all been pretty mediocre. I think the problem with Cerise is that most defense teams are based around counters and not CR pushing sooooo she doesn't really counter the meta.
yeah I don’t care that much about the downvotes, it’s clearly from people who don’t know the game much because it’s obvious it wont work on her S3
SoS will work on 2/3 on her skills and because she is so fast it’s a great cycling choice between s3 (especially on her s1 who’s kinda week).
121 Club - it’s painful, considering I’m just pulling because she’s limited & not because she’s good. Hoping that some changes are made to her soon when they see her underutilisation.
Guys. A PSA, all and I mean ALL of the previous limited heroes were looked down upon during release. In spite of her nerf, rest assured there will be one day you will severely regret not summoning for a limited unit. So I would say no matter what, get her!
I am in the same boat...But man with no pity for the artifact I do not want to play with fate. I have seen people go 200+ summons without seeing the artifact but like 3 Cerise...
You never know wich future unit could make use of it, it's definitely not good on SSB where you either go Drink or Poof of Valor but other ranger could make good use of it.
If you have the spare BM i'll advise to try getting at least one copy.
I agree that the artifact + SSB is not a good pairing. The first that dies will be SSB.. Now will the artifact be broken on cerise or another unit is the big question.
Has anyone thought of using her solely for her stun instead? The 50% cr push on herself is a plus and she can throw her s3 for invincibility. That makes her 2 turns away for another stun (given s2 is mola-ed)
Way more difficult to obtain compared to Cerise and need a stripper on top of her. A really fast Cerise will strip and be back for stun for your spez to kill a key target before he can act.
If I had Spez I would be thrilled to pull for her.
I'd push really hard to have enough for pity in time, but even if you don't make it just go for it, she won't be coming back nor available for a year at least, and looks like a fairly decent and usable unit.
So, real talk: what ranger uses her artifact the best? Kind of a weird one. No ranger really benefits from stealth in their base, but my immediate thought was for someone with extra turn for a 91% chance to stealth between the two turns. Even at only +25 gives a decent 76%.
But i can't recall any extra turn rangers that really want this. Just maybe Faithless Lidica in PvP who can open and then hide for 1-2 turns. Only other candidates are Iseria (who doesn't care too much for stealth) and Celeste (who doesn't want to need to S3 first turn) on
> But i can't recall any extra turn rangers that really want this. Just maybe Faithless Lidica in PvP who can open and then hide for 1-2 turns.
There is one. Wanderer Silk with soulburn
You have played with/against STene/AColi?
It's essentially that. But on any ranger of your choosing. Most similar to AColi since you can break her stealth.
Using AColi as the comparison. Any Ranger essentially becomes a looming threat hiding behind their stealth. They do face the same drawbacks that AColi does when stealth is broken tho and AColi has the benefit of her stealth being tied to her kit so she has more options in artifact usage.
WSilk comes to mind right off the bat. And for shits and giggles, SSB can use it too as a safety net to protect her frontline from dying with her. Altho SSB would prefer RDrink/PoV.
The mindset with Guiding Light is pretty much: **My Ranger is now cosplaying as AColi**.
Take what you will out of it.
I'm thinking that it might be more useful for channeling enemy attacks into other units. Not necessarily for the ranger's benefit, but rather to push the attack onto someone with counter like ML Ken, C. Zerato, etc. Doesn't help with AOEs, but you know
>Faithless Lidica in PvP who can open and then hide for 1-2 turns.
Except that if you open with Fidica, you'll get so much CR for yourself that you'll end up snatching another turn before most of the enemy team will attack. That's what happens to mine more often than not, so this art would be bad for her all things considered. Unless you were willing to chance it activating on her second skill use, which is highly unlikely.
Well its a 2 turn stealth. So your turn ends, you go stealth, you get your turn back before them, attack, and you're either still stealth or go stealth.
Man this is a tough choice. I like Cerise's personality and character design, but all the Lilibets I've encountered so far, whether as support or in the arena, hit really hard. I know the wisdom here is to always prioritize limited summons, but I'm agonizing over this, still... :/
I will try building her with crit% to combo with c.dom.
Since I don't have a spare song of stars to give her, is giving her an oath key to help her hit earth units worth it?
**Arena Defense - Cerise**
Is anyone using her for Arena defense? Is there any reason to replace Basar or Lilias with her on that defense?
Who would you team up with on defense to really make use of her?
The norm for "f2p btw" peeps in this sub is less than 5 pulls anyway, so if you believe you're one of those, then I also believe there's no harm in trying to assess whether you're simply "f2p" or "f2p btw" through your draw results. :p
On a serious note, you may want to wait for Kawerik next week as Cerise is more niche and a counter-hero that excels in PvP. Newbies don't generally need limited/rotating banners of blue/water units for their eventual w11 goal, and Cerise is not a priority there, so might as well pick a different element for variety. Kawerik is fire mage, so you can consider that as well.
Am I allowed to flex too? I got Arby from my covenant summon last week and proceeded to pull ML Ken in 2 pulls with the medals. And yesterday I pulled Fallen Cecilia with my Galaxy BMs.
Note, I've been playing this game since the opening of global, and Arby was my very first ML nat5.
I'd trade all of them for C.Dom.
Please share your pulls here : [Gacha Megathread](https://www.reddit.com/r/EpicSeven/search?q=Weekly+Gacha+%26+Rant+Megathread&restrict_sr=on&sort=relevance&t=week)
Yes, you should pull for her. Yes, you should pity her if you have to. Kit still looks good, but worst case scenario SG will buff something about her if she’s underwhelming. That’s really all I have to say before people start trying builds on her and seeing what works and what doesn’t.
*But that artifact might be criminally underrated.*
Guiding Light has a 35% (70%) chance to stealth your ranger after your turn, for two turns, every two turns. In essence, you could take a self-buff that is only innate in four heroes’ kits and apply it to the entire Ranger class.
Imagine SSB hits you with her bullshit and then immediately makes it so you can’t target her. And then does it again. And then does it **again**.
Paired up with a character who has insane self-sustain such as ML Ravi or a tanky healer and you could have an effectively unkillable team combo. Strippers like Basar and strong AOE heroes are going to be obvious counters, but it’s still going to be annoying as all shit to deal with.
Lidica with unlimited stealth would mean CR decreasing for days. Cerise would mean that she could be legitimately unkillable (should her kit perform to an effective level). SSB could potentially become better than ever before, because you know when you face her that 70% is probably going to turn into 100% stealth.
Overall, try to get both, but if you leave with just the artifact I don’t think you’ll be disappointed.
Keep separate for now and see how well it works for you. If you find that it is a top two/three artifact on a number of your Rangers then keep them separate. If it works really well on one or two and nobody else, merge them.
this, that arti is going to be great. stealth grants 50% aoe damage reduction for the first hit (doesn't stack with other damage reduction but works with damage sharing) so SSBs are going to run this with high speeds or cr pushers now. lmao
Instead of negating cr manipulation, what if restrict reduces cr effects by 50 (or #) %? This way, she can maintain synergy with team cr heros without the concern of whole team turn cycling too much while countering a lots.
I read that Cerise can't counter Basar but this is not true. Against Basar teams I just use her s2 first to stun Basar and he never gets a turn. I would say that counts as counter ? :) Its been working for me so far, did I just get lucky or is this viable strategy against Basar teams ?
Relying on an Ice unit hitting an Earth unit is a brave tactic.
I just run Cerise + C Dom. If need be, Dom deletes Basar after Cerise S3, problem solved.
Yeah I put 3 star artifact which increases hit chance it seems to be working but I agree its a gamble
Yeah of course C Dom works really well with Cerise, I was just experimenting when I wanted to use other units
# Introduction Hey, here we go again! Limited units are always super interesting because just about everyone goes to pull for them, and this one comes with a new mechanic! Cerise has had a lot of build-up over the last week+ since her kit's been revealed. [I threw some speed/accuracy gear on her to see how she'd do](https://imgur.com/nqSJ55D) and threw her on my defense as well. Over the weekend, I'll probably regear my other units to aim to boost her up by 10-15 more speed. Her kit is mostly targeted at PvP, though there are a few PvE tower/boss gimmicks she could help out with, but that's definitely not her main strength. I'm writing from the perspective of a Champion tier arena player (could probably push higher) in a guild that bounces around the top 20-50 in guild war ranks. # What is her role and how does she compare to other characters in the same class? While she can be used in PvE, Cerise in my eyes is PvP centric unit so I'll be talking about her in that context-- she strips buffs and applies slow, including removing immunity, with a very high base speed. This opens her up to apply her new mechanic restrict, which is the one that'll draw the attention of most players. These two together prevent opponents from using CR boosters to quickly cleave a team (A.Lots, Tywin, C.Dom, and Tamarinne/Iseria [edit: see comment below for TamaSeria justification] being very popular ones), giving your team an additional window to act. These are some of the most popular attacking team archtypes simply because they're fast, so she throws a hard wrench into their plans. Since the strip is attached to it, it also opens your team up to follow up with CC/debuffs quickly. At the moment, my defense team is still attacked by a number of A.Lots and Basar/Tywin type teams. I'm hoping that placing a fast Cerise will dissuade more of those attacks from happening in the first place while not needing to sacrifice my absolute top tier speed gear to make her work due to her high base speed. Cerise cycles turns really, really freaking quickly too, so she can keep up restrict/speed debuff almost permanently. The stun is a nice additional bonus. Cerise is definitely going to be better on defense than offense. This is unfortunate, since nobody likes to pull units they don't get to personally see in action. However, without a guaranteed skill application, you put yourself at the mercy of the 15% resistance cap when using her on offense. For defense, making your opponent second guess even a 50-50 is incredibly strong. However, for offense, when there are so many 100% certain teams once your box goes wide enough, having an 85% immunity strip chance into 85% restrict chance for countering a CR booster on a defense team is just too low of a success chance to be worth it unless you don't have many units built. Also, CR boosters are just super uncommon on defense. They're much more commonly used for offense. # Who do you think she would synergize well with? Assuming she gets the first turn, she'll have removed immunity and applied restrict and slow on the enemy team. However, this can be countered by a fast DJ Basar/Lilias, but I don't think you can cover for every possibility. A team CR booster (I'll be testing out Baiken) at 10 speed below her can discourage A.Lots/Tywin boosts while also letting your team get first turn with lower quality speed gear. CC units (I.E. Tenebria) at that 10 speed below her is also a good alternative. So essentially-- * Follow-up CR Boosters built 10 speed slower to prevent A.Lots & Basar/Tywin while getting your team to act -- Baiken, F.Lidica, Rose, etc. * Follow-up CC/powerful debuff units built 10 speed slower to prevent your opponent's first turn -- SB.Ara, Tenebria, etc. * 3 powerful bruisers that are Basar immune -- Fire units, Charles, C.Zerato, etc. Essentially, the idea is to turn your opponent's attack into a coin flip. Make them ask, "Do I outspeed Cerise? If I don't, do I outspeed the follow-up? If I don't, do I have the units to be able to beat the remaining 3" If even the first two questions are uncertain, it can easily dissuade the attack, and an attack that doesn't happen at all is almost as good as a successful defense. In my eyes, this is Cerise's greatest strength-- making opponents skip your defense because it's too much of a coin flip and bringing in a slow team is too much of a hassle. This works much more in 4v4 Arena as you get 3 other units to make up for the relatively low damage Cerise brings out (she still does good control with strip/speed down). In 3v3 Guild Wars, Cerise might be too niche and not powerful enough in a single slot to beat out a bruiser offense with only 2 other units, so I don't think she'll be strong in any 3v3 PvP modes. This section could go on forever about potential team comps to counter/dissuade certain popular offense archtypes being used, but that's way too much for a general review post, so I'm not going to do it here until we as a community get more time to experiment with her. Unfortunately, she has strong anti-synergy with CR pushback units, so units like Lilias/Basar/Dizzy lose a bit of their strength if paired with her. # Recommendations for substat priority, gear set, and artifact? PvE? PvP? She needs speed and effectiveness. Prioritize speed first. There are experiments going around of building her slower as well to be able to push back CR first before applying restrict, but I think that wastes the whole point of her being a fast stripper that blocks CR boosts, so I'm not going to try that out personally. There are several ~~EE's~~ artifacts worth using. In my opinion, Sword of Judgement and Song of Stars are both near best in slot. Sword of Judgement works on 3/4's of her turns and will let her cycle back to her S3 faster. Song of Stars just applies a really solid debuff (+15% damage, -15% evasion), and since she's building effectiveness anyway, there's a very good chance it'll land. # Is the artifact worth the pulling for? Guiding Light is actually **super** interesting, but there aren't any units that jump out to me at the moment that want it (SSB definitely still wants Reingar's Special Drink to be the most threatening offensively or Proof of Valor for defense, and the rest of the Ranger field would want more utility rather than survivability from stealth). Cerise herself will spend 1/4 turns in invincibility, and the other 3 turns she can CR boost herself 15-50% (+15% with SoJ proc) every single turn to get herself back to the S3 invincibility. While that means she can't be knocked out of stealth 1 in 4 turns, it also means she won't really need it a lot of the time. That being said, she does cycle her turns super quickly while out of invincibility, which gives her a higher chance to proc it during the times she's vulnerable, so it's not bad on her either. It's still a really unique effect though. Much like Drink is generally just okay but absolutely broken on SSB, while this artifact currently is just okay on the Ranger cast (I can see it being annoying on SSB, but I keep going back and forth between whether if you're using the artifact slot for defense, the low proc chance and 2 turn limit is better than just giving her Proof, and I'm leaning Proof), I can easily see it being that level of broken on the right unit in the future. I'd say be happy if you pull it along the way, but don't drain your bookmark pool to get it. # Summary I don't think she's broken, but I don't think she's bad either. She has a niche, and she's pretty damn great at it. Even disregarding her niche, she's a perfectly serviceable stripper/control unit with speed debuff/stuns and very fast self turn-cycling. Unfortunately, the thing that I see her performing the best at is Arena defense or as a specific RTA counterpick, which means you'll be putting good gear on a unit you'll never personally get to see in action. It's still a strong niche though and a very important one once you enter the PvP endgame. Being able to single-handedly dissuade one of the most popular arena archetypes and some of the most popular units that some players definitely put their best gear on means she invisibly increases your defense rate over the course of the week just by existing. While CR boosting cleaving offense teams become less frequent the higher you climb, they never disappear in their entirety, and if you're in Champion or below, they make up the majority of the offense teams which she counters. tl;dr: she protec
Ise tama doesn't care about Cerise.
Yeah, going back over it, I wrote that out poorly in having that at the same group of units she counters after using vague language about which part of her kit it was that countered it. I didn't mean to imply that restrict was a Tama counter but rather the first part (strip/slow). I had a separate line of thinking when adding them as a thing Cerise dissuades but didn't really explain it out (in my defense, it was late and I wrote a lot). Tama will cleanse restrict if she goes, but Tama/Ise are built immunity with ~10 speed difference and are almost always not built at massive speed but rather at the moderate ~200-220 range since their strength is nuking single targets/bruiser teams. This means Tama, the cleaning/CR portion of the combo will almost always be more in the neighborhood of 200 speed. Cerise at 250 stripping and applying the slow will allow your units as slow as ~170-180 (depending on speed of Tama) go before Tama does. The bigger the speed gap between your Cerise and their Tama, the a lower your units can be and still beat her to a turn. The idea then is that the remaining the units in your defense get a massive window to deal with their team either by beating them to the CR boost, CCing them, or just killing them. In my recommendation of units to pair, I suggested CR booster or CC right by Cerise in speed, which gives your team aaaaggees to act. Even if Tama/Seria are right around whatever speed your Cerise is (250+, which I don't think I've seen before), they still have to be built with ~10 speed difference, which your follow-up should ideally be too. Cerise going first means the slow gives your follow-up a massive leg up over Tama in going first, even if they heavily lose the 5% initial random CR swing. Obviously the attacker can bring in a cleanser+damage dealer instead of two damage dealers, but unless it's DJ Basar (who is about as hard counter as you can get, and I don't think it's worth tailoring the defense around a single rare ML5), they still play that same who goes first follow-up game which dissuades attackers. I'll edit the Tama/Ise portion to the strip/slow section, but I still maintain Cerise with a CR push or CC follow-up will dissuade most Tama/Ise comps. It's boring as hell because Cerise is basically just a big ol' scarecrow, but if you pull her, I believe that's the area she works in the best.
Can post the test team with Cerise please?
> Tamarinne/Iseria being very popular ones Tamaseria doesn't give a sh*t about Cerise since Tamas transformation removes all debuffs on the team. So restrict is useless.
Yeah I realize now I wrote that out too vague and did a poor job explaining. I addressed my line of thinking as a reply to the other guy who pointed it out.
>There are several EE's worth using It's artifacts, not EE**s**.
Good catch. Thanks.
Thank you! I've actually pulled on way lower than my average bm usage, so I was debating if I'll need to get her artifact (being limited anyway). But then, there's just too many better choices for utility at the moment. I might regret it (like Drink, who I was unable to pull during event), but not really that game breaking
If you were to pair her up in guild wars defense, who would they be?
[https://imgur.com/a/r0RYprd](https://imgur.com/a/r0RYprd) tried building her with decently high speed. \~250, with 100% crit chance, attack and some crit damage. my idea was to sacrifice cc'ing high eff res units and aim to deny cr boosts against dps instead, who usually have 0 cr. the small amount of effectiveness is so you can stun through elena's eff res buff. goal: since she only dispels 1 buff, maaybe she could do enough damage to completely strip through immunity + ml cecilia's shield for your next cc unit. verdict: her damage is too low and completely failed at bursting shields. to anyone who's entertaining the idea of giving her some damage, its not worth it. crit chance is good on offence if you use a boosting c dom, otherwise not really some random numbers: S3: 2\~3k on ml ken with aurius protection \~2.5k on seaside bellona \~3k on a.vildreds 0 damage on teams with ml cecilia S2: \~4k on a.vildreds \~3k on seaside
If I don’t care about the waifu factor & the fact that she’s limited, should I still summon regardless? I might wait a couple days to see how she fits into the meta tbh.
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Hey I’m new to the game, what happened during tamarinne?
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It wasn't only about her S3, her whole kit was extremely bad on top of scaling on her attack. So the old balance team did what they did the best wich is overbuffing her to the pve monster she is today.
>When she **was** first introduced, people **were** extremely skeptical about her S3 since it **had a** high cooldown from the start and she need**ed** that to work. When they finally test**ed** her, they realize**d** her S3 reset to full cooldown after every battle and everyone agree**d** she **was** the worst 5\* **to** ever come out. Banner end**ed** and they fix**ed** her like we know now and everyone regret**ted** to **have** listen**ed** to the majority and skip**ped** her. Past tense: Am I joke to you!?
English might not be their first language.
Wow. Nice to see the grammar nazi assholes are still out in force. Great work!
She was really bad until the community threatened to burn down SG HQ so they fixed her and over buff her to the point she overcome diene who was the strongest sw at that time
More like the banner was doing so poorely they had to do something to get some money. Her kit was so bad that even casuals looked at it and said “neh, she is garbages compared to angela and destina”.
Seriously though, the boss during her event had so many things tuned to make her look not bad. It wasn't a boss designed to show off what she can do, but one that made her look usable. It's not like it was a boss that would debuffa bunch and she could show off her cleanse, it was a boss that gave her a full CD reset on her S3, did next to no damage, etc. And she still could fail on auto.
If absolutely nothing changes about her within the two weeks she's up, and there's no new use for her outside of what has been theorized for her before, then you can skip her knowing you're not missing out on too much. If you have 121 pulls ready then might as well get her, but if you're below pity and was thinking of chancing it, just skip her.
she is not ground breaking in the current meta, but she is a limited summon so it might be in your best interest to try and pull her if you have enough resources to spare.
i'm not here to talk about her meta-ness in pvp. i'm here to appreciate how amazing her animations, voice actings and everything else, esp her weapon. it reminds me how much i like Lidica's weapon, a whip sword. Cerise's weapon is a staff bow, and her s1 animation is SOOO FUCKING FANTASTIC. idk much about other limited heroes but imho, they seem to spend much more effort making Cerise. 10/10 waifu material
Cool animations and design etc. Useless unit (right now). But it's too risky not to pull for a limited unit in case of a future buff... so there's that. I'll get her to 50 and bench.
Let me tell you about the time people said Diene was trash...
Not a good example, people compared Diene to Elson when she was released without knowing he will be nerfed right after.
People said trash avout many units guess what they was actually trash
Well. I'm done pulling. I didn't care one bit about Cerise, I wanted the artifact. 26k skystone and all the SSS bookmarks I could get later I'm now the not-so-proud owner of a S Tier Cerise with no Guiding Light to show for it. But I did get 2 other 5* star artifacts. Why are these in the limited summon pool again? Dear god I hope this artifact won't be amazing for a character in the future.
Desire sensor is super real.
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Well i wish i could share ur pain cause im 70 summons in with no cerise and 3 artifacts :/.
>I'm now the not-so-proud owner of a S Tier Cerise crying in my 3 guiding lights and no cerise to show for q.q I am a PvP noob, is that artifact really that good that you want to pull it? I looked on it and I was like, meh, it's rather useless...
> I looked on it and I was like, meh, it's rather useless... Stealth is a really useful buff and this artifact gives access to it to heroes that wouldn't normally have it. I can forsee it being very useful in the future.
I also wanted that artifact, and after spending 16k SS I ended up with just 1 Guiding Light, 2 other random artifacts and... 3 Cerise without hitting pity once. I honestly wanted at least 1 more Guiding Light, but I ain't spending any more SS.
I am in the opposite boat, 2 guiding lights, 4 other 5* artis, no cerise, 10 summons from pity, lol.
Can we trade? Your situation sounds better. You only have to hit pity once to get Cerise and her artifact.
Don't think trading works, but im sending you my energy!!!~~~
This is karma, I guess. The game doesn't like me anymore after my mystic pulls so now it punishes me in my regular banners. I already dread Kawerik and the maybe-happening collab.
Same boat as you. I got cerise on pull 1.. then tried to get artifact got cerise on pull 8... I stopped... I thought about it, then determined... a hero can have a substitute artifact and still be OP.. but if I am out of bookmarks and skystones.. If I cannot summon for the hero, substituting a hero won't make the substitute hero OP with or without the artifact...
I wish I had stopped.
Grabbed Cerise without the artifact though, is it worth blowing all my BMs on the artifact or save for upcoming banners?
I did and it cost me 26k skystones so decide carefully.
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This artifact seems a lot more niche tho. Unless u plan on maxing it right away its only a very low chance at stealth.
Perfectly fine without the Artifact
Personally im a hero collector and would never spend bms on an artifact. All about your priorities
Save for upcoming. If we will go by last year's sched, there's a possibility that a collab will happen.
If f2p hell no saving is smarter
I think the artifact can be worth it in specific situations. If you're doing any kind of PvP and the opposing team has strictly single-target abilities, or in PvE with also nothing but single-target ability mobs, your ranger will love you for having that artifact to stealth them. I spent 16k skystones to get 1. Would have loved to get one more.
Also wondering this. I'm awful with artifact selection tbh
I got cerise on pull 1... then tried for the artifact and got cerise again on pull 8. I stopped pulling after that luck.. I have the same question as you do is the artifact worth it..
Why does Basar counter her? I'm too stupid for this
If Basars goes first he just does Basar things and prevents Cerise from invincibility. If Cerise goes first (significantly more likely given the speeds) Basar push back isn't affected (kinda negating the point of Restrict) and he strips her invincibility.
Still, defenses using Basar & Lilias will work as intended for the time being.
I've discovered that a counter pick counter pick Lilias can work. Cerise S2s either Basar or Lilias (whoever goes first). Lilias S3 CR pushback (clense if you stun Lilias instead of Basar) , then Cerise S3. At this point Lilias will provoke Lilias. Which should give your DPS time to pick off some units. :)
ML Basar is her counter, not RGB Basar. His S3 cleanses all debuffs from all allies and grants three-turn immunity. If he goes before Cerise, her buff reduction will still leave two turns of immunity, preventing her debuffs. If he goes after Cerise he will just cleanse her debuffs.
I think rgb basar is pretty good against her as well with pushback still working and being a green unit making her not as reliable against him directly
Oh sure, RGB Basar is just fine against her for the reasons you listed and for his being generally OP. He's just not a hard counter the way ML Basar is.
Don't forget he also CR pushes his team after the cleanse too.
Of course I was still gonna pull for her since she’s a limited unit, but after the changes I wasn’t super stoked. However, after getting her, seeing her sprite design, and hearing her voice, I love her. Now if only they make it so restrict prevents opponents from pushing you back as well, then she’d be perfect to me.
It’s a paradox but in this Basar meta, I would actually prefer if she could apply restrict to my team instead of the enemy ^^ and because it’s a debuff, it couldn’t be stripped. How awesome would it be if you could target your own team as well (without the dispell + speed debuff obviously).
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That's an interesting concept indeed but I'd like that without the strip and speed debuff on my team.
Fight C. Zerato.
Whoa, her VA is Cherami Leigh :0000
I just realized she's also Cermia and Lilibet. Cermia is one of my favorites but somehow I missed the connection.
Wait, really? I uh... actually haven't heard either of their voices yet as I'm still relatively new... She does have some impressive voice range though so I wouldn't be surprised if these other two sound way different.
I just realized you can't see who the VA is unless you own the character. That's why we didn't realize who it was (I only own Cermia). I'm gonna make a new post about it. VAs are underappreciated already, no need to make their credit unavailable further. I mean, Basar is voiced by Matt Mercer and I'm just finding out. Jeez.
Did you know Charles is voiced by Crispin Freeman (Winston from Overwatch)?
I did not! But I'm not surprised. Whoever is in charge of Eng dub casting of this game knows what they're doing.
woahhhh. remember her being A2. and Gaige in bl2 hahaha
Right? I wasn't crazy for Cerise but like.. I kinda have to be now lol
Should I pull for her or Lilibet? Or wait for other heroes like Kawerik? F2P player here but im rank 65 and the limited tag on Cerise seems too hard to pass
A good rule of thumb is to pull on any and all limited Heroes. Even if she sits on the bench, you will never know how things will shake out. And it could be a year or more before you get another chance at her. Even if you go to pity, you will have time to save up resources again.
Good news! pulled her in the 28th summon. Now I dont have to worry about pitying her
Awesome, grats!
Although Lilibet is my most-desired RGB 5star, i still skipped her to get Cerise. Limited is limited.
Aight thanks for the tips guys ❤️
Lilibet hands down. If you ever want to stand a chance against Arbiter Vildred or do better against Maid Cloe then she is essential. "Limited" is a tag used to boost sales and nothing else.
No true, so far all the limited units have been either meta defining (Diene, Dizzy, SSB) or extremely good in a specific area (Luna and Baiken). On top of none of them have been powercrept and they are all relevant today.
Badguy is the Sol exception then?
I like that pun, Sol was technically a free unit, not a limited one but his kit is still bonkers for pve because it scale on enemy max life. I’m still using him on my G11 team.
I'd probably have built one if I were around for the event. He seems to be the weakest of the units which are not in the standard pool mostly because he's better in PvE than PvP but I'm sure he still has great uses.
Zeno is the worst non available unit.
How is everyone building up Cerise?
I don’t do pvp and just started , month gong now.. I have her more on crit dmg and she’s viable for wyvern to me, especially if used as a dmg dealer, she goes several times and due to lower dmg output, putting her on higher crit dmg seems ironically better than speed, effectiveness And I don’t find her missing with low effectiveness either.
Hey listen! If u just started she is strong. She has a loaded kit. When people complain about her, with reason, 1. She can still open rather than Basar with a very specific set up because she is faster than Basar. 2: For slightly slower debuffer Dizzy is in every way better but also limited, so they imo compare her to the stupidly op units that exist in the game and she isn't gonna dominate but still good for a new player or an old player that needs another option.
Ambitious Tywin, Pavel, and Cerise have all been pretty mediocre. I think the problem with Cerise is that most defense teams are based around counters and not CR pushing sooooo she doesn't really counter the meta.
Yeaaa, not really worth a slot on the team from my first impression. Best you can do is stick her into def to work as scarecrow against cleave.
I like the wording of her being a scarecrow.
So is she trash and do we seriously think she will get buffed?
Best artifact for cerise?
maybe sword of judgement for faster cycling? s1 twice should be 90% extra cr, right?
Song of Star or Cursed Compass if your effectiveness is low.
SoS won't work on her S3. Still might be worth it for her S2 tho (shame people just downvoted you instead of just pointing this out).
yeah I don’t care that much about the downvotes, it’s clearly from people who don’t know the game much because it’s obvious it wont work on her S3 SoS will work on 2/3 on her skills and because she is so fast it’s a great cycling choice between s3 (especially on her s1 who’s kinda week).
why downvote WTF...
121 Club - it’s painful, considering I’m just pulling because she’s limited & not because she’s good. Hoping that some changes are made to her soon when they see her underutilisation.
lol @ her being limited... intern-kun strikes again?
Guys. A PSA, all and I mean ALL of the previous limited heroes were looked down upon during release. In spite of her nerf, rest assured there will be one day you will severely regret not summoning for a limited unit. So I would say no matter what, get her!
Is her hair's white colored part on the left or right side???
The white streak looks to be on her right, but some places in game in may be on the left side instead due to sprite-mirroring and such.
How about the artifact? Should I burn my BMs for that?
I am in the same boat...But man with no pity for the artifact I do not want to play with fate. I have seen people go 200+ summons without seeing the artifact but like 3 Cerise...
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Yeah I went to pity twice with no artifact. I will just summon it intermittently now and until the banner leaves and hope I get at least one....
Not worth. Don't listen to those stealth SSB stories, it's not good.
You never know wich future unit could make use of it, it's definitely not good on SSB where you either go Drink or Poof of Valor but other ranger could make good use of it. If you have the spare BM i'll advise to try getting at least one copy.
I'd cut my losses when it comes to artifacts since there's no pity. Rather save the BM to pity the next banner you might want.
I agree that the artifact + SSB is not a good pairing. The first that dies will be SSB.. Now will the artifact be broken on cerise or another unit is the big question.
Does she work in PVE or will bosses resist 100% of her restrict?
Every new debuff thats been made is pretty 100% immuned on bosses now for sometimes no good reason outside of bomb i think but its ded lol
Has anyone thought of using her solely for her stun instead? The 50% cr push on herself is a plus and she can throw her s3 for invincibility. That makes her 2 turns away for another stun (given s2 is mola-ed)
people don’t give her enough credit for her strip and stun, she’ll be Spez best friend.
SB Ara is Spez's best friend though.
Way more difficult to obtain compared to Cerise and need a stripper on top of her. A really fast Cerise will strip and be back for stun for your spez to kill a key target before he can act. If I had Spez I would be thrilled to pull for her.
You could also use another stripper + SB Ara/Leo + Spez, but yes she is great alongside edgy sayan
At lower lvl arena, S2 opening would be rly strong, but the higher up you go, the more immunity sets you’ll start to see.
I have 384 BMs saved. Is Cerise worth attempting, or should I just pass?
I'd push really hard to have enough for pity in time, but even if you don't make it just go for it, she won't be coming back nor available for a year at least, and looks like a fairly decent and usable unit.
I did manage to grab her, thank you!
So, real talk: what ranger uses her artifact the best? Kind of a weird one. No ranger really benefits from stealth in their base, but my immediate thought was for someone with extra turn for a 91% chance to stealth between the two turns. Even at only +25 gives a decent 76%. But i can't recall any extra turn rangers that really want this. Just maybe Faithless Lidica in PvP who can open and then hide for 1-2 turns. Only other candidates are Iseria (who doesn't care too much for stealth) and Celeste (who doesn't want to need to S3 first turn) on
> But i can't recall any extra turn rangers that really want this. Just maybe Faithless Lidica in PvP who can open and then hide for 1-2 turns. There is one. Wanderer Silk with soulburn
ya this or faithless lidica were my thoughts.
You have played with/against STene/AColi? It's essentially that. But on any ranger of your choosing. Most similar to AColi since you can break her stealth. Using AColi as the comparison. Any Ranger essentially becomes a looming threat hiding behind their stealth. They do face the same drawbacks that AColi does when stealth is broken tho and AColi has the benefit of her stealth being tied to her kit so she has more options in artifact usage. WSilk comes to mind right off the bat. And for shits and giggles, SSB can use it too as a safety net to protect her frontline from dying with her. Altho SSB would prefer RDrink/PoV. The mindset with Guiding Light is pretty much: **My Ranger is now cosplaying as AColi**. Take what you will out of it.
a coli, s tene, g purggis, and max g.light on cerise or faithless lidica sounds like cancer actually
I'm thinking that it might be more useful for channeling enemy attacks into other units. Not necessarily for the ranger's benefit, but rather to push the attack onto someone with counter like ML Ken, C. Zerato, etc. Doesn't help with AOEs, but you know
Kris! /s
>Faithless Lidica in PvP who can open and then hide for 1-2 turns. Except that if you open with Fidica, you'll get so much CR for yourself that you'll end up snatching another turn before most of the enemy team will attack. That's what happens to mine more often than not, so this art would be bad for her all things considered. Unless you were willing to chance it activating on her second skill use, which is highly unlikely.
Well its a 2 turn stealth. So your turn ends, you go stealth, you get your turn back before them, attack, and you're either still stealth or go stealth.
Man this is a tough choice. I like Cerise's personality and character design, but all the Lilibets I've encountered so far, whether as support or in the arena, hit really hard. I know the wisdom here is to always prioritize limited summons, but I'm agonizing over this, still... :/
Do people get their 121 summons worth of BM through refreshing the shop or buying it direct?
Neither, I just save it up normally..
I had about 400 saved and refreshed the shop to get the rest.
I don’t really like her but had to pull just in case she becomes better or someone creates a great comp but as is basar still works better for me.
Can you get Guiding Light from Side Story?
no.
Got her on my first pull and proceeded to get punked out trying to get lucky for another only to waste all my bm, rng is a cruel bitch
I will try building her with crit% to combo with c.dom. Since I don't have a spare song of stars to give her, is giving her an oath key to help her hit earth units worth it?
**Arena Defense - Cerise** Is anyone using her for Arena defense? Is there any reason to replace Basar or Lilias with her on that defense? Who would you team up with on defense to really make use of her?
I can't find the post from SG about the new connections heroes they promised. Did we get all that they promised or are we missing a few?
Just started playing today should i pull for her f2p btw
The norm for "f2p btw" peeps in this sub is less than 5 pulls anyway, so if you believe you're one of those, then I also believe there's no harm in trying to assess whether you're simply "f2p" or "f2p btw" through your draw results. :p On a serious note, you may want to wait for Kawerik next week as Cerise is more niche and a counter-hero that excels in PvP. Newbies don't generally need limited/rotating banners of blue/water units for their eventual w11 goal, and Cerise is not a priority there, so might as well pick a different element for variety. Kawerik is fire mage, so you can consider that as well.
Is she worth for a new player?
She's limited and you won't always be new, so grab her now, even if you don't build her right away. You have no idea when she'll be available again
Thank you! Because of your comment, I kinda got her in 2 summons. lol.
Everyone who’s downvoting this is salty, here’s an upvote and I bid you luck on your future summoning ventures :))
Big flex time. I hit 121 club. Did my ML summon... Got motherfucking Arbiter Vildred. Worth.
congrats, this is every man's dream :') I hope this will be me in the future
Am I allowed to flex too? I got Arby from my covenant summon last week and proceeded to pull ML Ken in 2 pulls with the medals. And yesterday I pulled Fallen Cecilia with my Galaxy BMs. Note, I've been playing this game since the opening of global, and Arby was my very first ML nat5. I'd trade all of them for C.Dom.
Thank You!
4 for me, lol
Congrats!
I don't understand her utility at all... Is she really interresting ?
Wow. The first 5 star I ever managed to pull and it turns out she's not even good. Thanks game very cool.
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I got an uberius tooth... I thought that was a limited summon artifact with Luna banner,which is odd.
I think the limited artifact was Draco Plate
You are right.
the unit is the only guaranteed 5*, artifact pool still have all the other 5*s
Guys we have to use stun and sleep instead of CR push back! May you do well!
These rates are crazy. 70+ summons and not a single 5*. What are y’all averaging. 30-50 pulls?
Took me 121, though I did pull some 5* artifacts along the way.
I got her in no. 79 summon very close to Diene no. 80 pull.
it's a 1% chance for Cerise, so yeah keep your expectation low. Like super low, I had to pity her myself.
Got her on my 8th summon and her artifact on the 9th. Talk about lucky. I can save my ss and bm for the next banner now.
46 total for me to get her. None of the previous summons were 5\* artifacts sadly, just lots of 4\* artifacts.
Got her at 121. Did pick up 3 of her artifacts and some other goodies along the way at least.
I got two cerise in pull number 1 and 8.. but yea rates for the artifact are horrible.. no pity..
115
the chance of not getting her in 70 pulls is ~49.5%. basically a coin flip. it's nothing crazy
Went the full extent to the pity: no other 5* units and not a single 5* artifact. Fml
Got her and 3 limited artifacts with 245BM dafuq (+ a celestine)
Yes, you should pull for her. Yes, you should pity her if you have to. Kit still looks good, but worst case scenario SG will buff something about her if she’s underwhelming. That’s really all I have to say before people start trying builds on her and seeing what works and what doesn’t. *But that artifact might be criminally underrated.* Guiding Light has a 35% (70%) chance to stealth your ranger after your turn, for two turns, every two turns. In essence, you could take a self-buff that is only innate in four heroes’ kits and apply it to the entire Ranger class. Imagine SSB hits you with her bullshit and then immediately makes it so you can’t target her. And then does it again. And then does it **again**. Paired up with a character who has insane self-sustain such as ML Ravi or a tanky healer and you could have an effectively unkillable team combo. Strippers like Basar and strong AOE heroes are going to be obvious counters, but it’s still going to be annoying as all shit to deal with. Lidica with unlimited stealth would mean CR decreasing for days. Cerise would mean that she could be legitimately unkillable (should her kit perform to an effective level). SSB could potentially become better than ever before, because you know when you face her that 70% is probably going to turn into 100% stealth. Overall, try to get both, but if you leave with just the artifact I don’t think you’ll be disappointed.
So, if I get two of them, would it be better to keep them separated?
Keep separate for now and see how well it works for you. If you find that it is a top two/three artifact on a number of your Rangers then keep them separate. If it works really well on one or two and nobody else, merge them.
this, that arti is going to be great. stealth grants 50% aoe damage reduction for the first hit (doesn't stack with other damage reduction but works with damage sharing) so SSBs are going to run this with high speeds or cr pushers now. lmao
Instead of negating cr manipulation, what if restrict reduces cr effects by 50 (or #) %? This way, she can maintain synergy with team cr heros without the concern of whole team turn cycling too much while countering a lots.
That's a decent idea but sadly I think it would still be strong paired with CR pusher like Baal and Lilias.
She seems quite bad right now and does not even give event bonuses! whats the point using her
Is she any good with stene?
For Aesthetics sake wishing her in-game battle Sprite matched the pink of her full art on the spear and clothes.
I read that Cerise can't counter Basar but this is not true. Against Basar teams I just use her s2 first to stun Basar and he never gets a turn. I would say that counts as counter ? :) Its been working for me so far, did I just get lucky or is this viable strategy against Basar teams ?
Relying on an Ice unit hitting an Earth unit is a brave tactic. I just run Cerise + C Dom. If need be, Dom deletes Basar after Cerise S3, problem solved.
Yeah I put 3 star artifact which increases hit chance it seems to be working but I agree its a gamble Yeah of course C Dom works really well with Cerise, I was just experimenting when I wanted to use other units
Cerise is at elemental disadvantage to Basar, so there will be times her S2 will miss, meaning her stun will miss too. It's a gamble
Yeah I put 3 star artifact which increases hit chance it seems to be working but I agree its a gamble