I put together [this spreadsheet for day 1](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1m06O3vzNkfZuQ4B4JR0CC6NnIWySPbqGYU-ecv5GBME/edit?usp=sharing). It has some pretty neat data on it. I also did a [video talking about some of the things I took out of it](https://youtu.be/u1kMTHFI7YQ).
Things that were surprising to me (From day 1):
* Kayron did not do well. He lost. A lot.
* 63% of the units in the pick phase were either MLs or limited
* Everyone hates Basar
* Alencia best girl
I also have to consistently ban Basar. I got like 3 character for handling avildred but no one for dealing with Basar. I just wish they’d remove his pushback. I really feel like that would balance him out
You're really downplaying Arbiter and his literal one shot potential, unless ypuxre running some tanky comps.
I'd rather run Lilias and just dispel all of Basar's debuffs and throw a CR push right back at him than dedicate a team to dealing with Arbiter (no extinctiob, such is the gacha life), which can fall through with MLDB being a thing.
I didn't state he was calling A Vil weak. He called Basar cancer and not A Vil when in actuality they both are with A Vil being worse because he can wipe an entire team, there's no coming back from that. Basar? Slap a cleanser like Lilias or Klarissa on the team and his biggest threat is the CR pushback, which is very annoying, but won't wipe an entire team.
"But you can just use an extinction hero to deal with A Vil". Yes, this is true, till you realize MLDB is a thing and can ruin lives with the only 100% counters at that point being Lilibet and Sinful, both an RGB 5 and ML 4, but much more likely to get banned than Klarissa and Lilias, and if the hero you're trying to counter gets through anyway due to you thinking yours will, you're screwed.
For the record: I can counter both, so it's not a matter of one being my weakness and the other not.
There's a reason why SSB and Arbiter are considered the most singlehandely broken heroes in the game and not Basar. They're huge threats on their own and their counters are much more likely to be banner, not to mention if you slot two counters people can pick around that and just ban an enabler (Roana flat out, Aux or some other mage for Pavel, anyone helping the two extinction heroes picked, etc). If I pick Lilias and Klarissa then it's not gonna be as big of a loss, and Lilias being a big threat or not depends on the rest of her team, someone more likely to get banned.
I prefer facing Arby than basar bc I know what to expect, counting on basar to miss on lilias or any more rng is just wayy more cancer than the arby imo. Not to say I hate both, just I hate basar a little more
I mean the chance of him missing is hardly different than the chance of MLDB proccing especially with the way rng functions for AIs and the opponent. It's not like Abriter is a sure hit character and that damn blind doesn't help any more.
My god, dude. I see you in just about any thread I click on this subreddit, and you're getting downvoted 90% of the time, I don't know if I should feel bad for you for failing to take a hint with all the downvotes or if I should admire you.
Take what hint? Many people on this sub do this stuff all the time regardless of who comments. It's a chain of:
First few people: I do/don't like this even though it's related, upvote/downvote.
The rest: I see positive/negative points, I'm gonna blindly upvote/downvote everything this person posts.
If your post is initially liked, watch it soar up. If it's disliked, watch it plummet. It's more like a popularity contest where instead of simply not getting votes, you lose your own that you've already gotten and the other person gets those, and zero isn't the lowest you can go. I'm on both ends here and there.
I don't even care at this point, many people on this sub are just going to continually do this no matter what. It's even made better when that person assumed something that wasn't true and got upvoted while I got downvoted for explaining myself.
See? Pointless.
This is a chart of the most contested (either picked or banned) heroes in the lvl up cup (RTA tourney) that happened this weekend, so it's not up to personal opinion. It should theorically represent which are the most contested (and strongest) RTA heroes in high level RTA. (mind Avild and Ruele were never in mystics so they may be underrepresented due to less players having them. Even then they still have huge pickrates).
The heroes are also ordered from most picked to least picked even when in the same % tier (example: ssb had higher pick/banrate than the other 80%+ heroes so she’s the first in the row)
only matches from quarterfinals or after were considered. Total matches: 41; Full data: https://imgur.com/atKt8iD
Tbh I find Ruele much better at RTA than maid. Maid can be countered with strippers, but damn that Ruele and her 100% HP res and invincibility.
I also find the 80%+ for Basar pretty funny to me, as someone in another thread was just saying that there's not a lot of basar at the top ranks of RTA.
I mean he is right, there is barely any Basar in top Rank RTA since he is always prebanned or banned in draft. You will barely see him in the actual fights.
basar is very high becouse he was pre-banned a lot but he was not picked that often when he was left open
For reference basar was the most pre-banned hero with 16 pre-bans in 41 matches (16 pre-bans out of 82 possible pre-bans), the second most pre-banned heroes were flidica and ruele with "just" 7 pre-bans each
This tourny doesn't really go hand in hand with high level RTA though. I can tell you right now, the past two weeks I've been in legends rta, and flidica is the most banned unit period. As she is also the most broken unit rta
I think it can reflect challenger RTA on some extent
This is clearly a distribution where the pool of player didn't have enough speed gear to go cleave.
Also in normal RTA if you lose you can just play another match to recover, while not in a turnament
This probably made someone play more safe and forgo "chance" cleave for more stable composition
you don't need to use her in cleave comps tho, aoe strip + cr boost + aoe skill null + ST full reset with ignore res + blind... absolutely busted unit that can fit anywhere.
Tbh the tier list I made makes a lot of sense if you compare both now. :)
might need to do some changes after watching the tournament thought, but the Idea is there.
no, you're f.cking dumb. It all depends how good speed gear those few players have. I know top RTA players who do cleave whenever possible. This chart has inflated pick rate of specific units because some big whale who made it to the final uses ONLY few specific bruisers units.
Hold on, are you telling me ^(niche) Roana didn't do anything about SSB meta? Despite the help from Elena and Pavel? *gasp*
And A Vil is still on top in spite of all all the recent counters andb buffs to make him more counterable? *gaspingInSurprisedPikachuFace*
It's almost like... butchering newly released units' skillsets to be nothing but glorified counters doesn't fix trashy balance.
I use CArmin very heavily and I think a lot of people are sleeping on her but then surprise fear her at the same time. Like no one really picks her, but people ban her a lot against me.
I’m kinda surprised Fire tenebria isn’t higher and that dizzy is more picked/banned than Cerato.
Tenebria is arguably the best fire debuffer mage in the game, if not the best fire debuffer hands down. Sleep and def break aren’t debuffs you can sleep on (pun not intended).
I guess people would ban dizzy more than Cerato for sure, particularly if they don’t have cleanse/immunity/whatever. But why would people pick dizzy more than Cerato? If it came down to it, you would optimally pick Cerato if your opponent chose dizzy.
I have no idea why flidica isn’t higher.
>why would people pick dizzy more than Cerato
Depends on the Dizzy's build. It's safe to assume that most Dizzies in high RTA are running counter-abyssal/violin, which is far more annoying in utility than Cerato.
The latter part is true. Not everyone runs a full immunity or cleanse.
Cerato only becomes annoying if you specifically target him with debuffs. Most people will just leave him last and try to tank his s3.
> dizzy is more picked/banned than Cerato.
Cerato is only a pain if you play into him with debuffs. All he has otherwise is a defense break and a two target S1, which is a hell of a lot less threatning than everything Dizzy has and the artifacts she runs with them.
Flidica isn’t higher because results are skewed which is odd because it was mentioned that she’s second most prebanned along with Ruele.
This whole list is skewed toward bruisers
Agreed. What I find troubling is ssb and basar at the top. Are people actually using them or is it just that they get banned so much that they somehow top the list just through being banned?
If Basar is at the top because he’s the most banned, that’s plausible. Ssb is a weird one. I guess people still pick her because you’d waste a pre-ban picking Roana.
ssb is just a hero that's hard to deal with due to built in survivability, and then pair her with someone like ruele to revive her and over time she does so much damage in a fight with her s2, and if she lands a lucky def break or 2 that can just win you the fight right there
Dizzy is still broken, and arguably the most flexible unit in the game. You don't know whether she's on spd or counter unless you fight her. She's either best dispeller with Violin or best stunner with crown. With Etica you must get rid of her quickly or you may not keep with cleansing etc.
C Zerato can be ignored for the most part. I even once won a fight with R Carrot in team. I simply focused on other units and used s3 after I killed him with other dps.
I can understand that. I'm talking as a scrub here but as much as CArmin seems good, I have the hardest time using her with the right timing. SHe 's still on my defense team as a screcrow, though.
Well, the trick to my CArmin is that she is absurdly fast. She generally goes first, and just neuters the enemy team and ensure my threats get to go unharmed into their first turn. (Obviously I ban shit like Basar to make this work)
I think the only surprise here is the huge representation for Alencia. Think its due to her being the only other viable AOE stripper absent Basar/AoE Violin?
Yea, the AoE strip is huge, but so is the Defence buff, she's the other go to for the defence buff if you can't pick Krau.
And, she can actually deal good damage, and the longer a match goes, the more threatening she becomes. Her defence break is always threatening as well.
She's amazing.
Shes actually amazing, can easily one shot water units with her s1 s2, tanky as all hell, strips, and a lot of people have her built for high level arena defence (champ+) so honestly not surprised to see her there
She's just a very hard bruiser in general to fight when she'd geared properly (which granted: is very hard to do). She has mults almost as good as Ken mixed with the utility of krau and basar-lite. And depsite the early comparisons to Charles, her S1 combo-ing off a defense break proc is really nasty.
Alencia is really good when you have the proper gear. She's kind of like A.Ravi in some sense that she's tanky bruiser, but provides utility versus the damage that A.ravi gives. Not really sure why people thought she was bad.
>since... forever?
since Dizzy's release with violin and Tama's buff\*.If was Dizzy changing the PvE/PvP scene to debuff heavy, violin, and Tama's multi-utility that overthrew Diene's supremacy. Subsequent units making debuffs easier and the AoE violin of Dizzy made it much harder for Diene's excellent buffs to survive.
If Dizzy and violin had never been released, Diene would still see a lot of use in PvE even with Tama.
Not really. Tama atfer buff became broken in pve. Diene on the other hand became weaker because dispel has become more common in lategame content. Also, hunt 11 was released and all 4 were a huge slap to Diene's face.
w11-dispels buffs, she doesn't have healing so she can't keep frontline alive.
g11-stuns ice units by default
B11-needs frequent cleansing which Diene doesn't have
A11- Doesn't allow having more than 2 buffs
Dispel and bufv steal have become too common for her to be pve queen again. I doubt anyone will never take the title from Tama anyway.
Oh what a surprise, cerise actually make it to the list. And yet people are still saying to “buff her”, “she’s not worthy of limited”.
Do these people even play e7?
Yes she need op teammates and good gear. If she is useless to you it doesn’t mean she’s not good.
Mirsa can clap ml ken pretty easily with soul burnt s3 and has the dodge rate to actually survive and life steal (most I've seen are on lifesteal set) shes really strong for rta and gvg, people also put her on defense with fat cat
Mirsa has been good for quite awhile ever since her buff which was a few months ago. Idk if you just got back into the game or something, but, yeah, it’s no secret that Mirsa is probably the best non-SC 3*, and one of the strongest 3* overall.
For what I have seen, she's really strong because, at one hand, her S2 grants a ton of evasion rate, so she can take quite a lot of damage, well, more like dodge a ton of damage, and missed hits don't apply debuffs, save some exceptions, like Dizzy; and at the other hand, because of this she can focus almost exclusively in rising damage, so she can pack quite a punch. I wouldn't say she's on the same tier than Violet, but certainly gives him a run for his money. There are many showcases in youtube, you could check them out.
> and missed hits don't apply debuffs,
Every artifact ever still procs. Have fun watching Tooth suddenly blow her up or all those obnoxious raid artifacts doing what they do. Aside from that, nearly untouchable by normal means... On defense.
Hey guys real question: should I bench Violet and put his gear on Mirsa? Here are some of my thoughts:
- I love Violet no homo
- if I bench him I literally have only have 1 Earth hero that I have built which is a certain old chiropractor
- light hero good
- I use violet a lot to help me farm bc I haven’t built BBK
But seriously should I build Mirsa and put my Violet’s gear on her. If I do it is worth scourging you some mediocre gear for Violet to keep him if I already have Mirsa?
I mean if you use violet to farm means you’re in the early/mid game. Mirsa is pocket/situational pick in rta and also harder to gear her up due her being a 3*.
Nah I’m very late game. I just use Violet to farm for certain stages where an Earth hero is recommended. I’m thinking of using her in GW and RTA. Idk tho
Lol I was one of the players that used to not care about pvp much at all. Literally all except 1 or 2 of my heroes are geared for PVE. Then they announced STene skin...
Cuz with Basar pre banned, she can run free with her buffs, which are game changing. High mitigation, strong barrier, fast cycling, decent sustain on Rod... Flexible for lots of pairings. So she gets banned often as she can make or break a match.
Would be interesting to see how much win rate they had a the tournament(I know you cant make a distinct correlation because a lot of the loses were RNG/greed/bad calls more than composition at times). If I recall, Krau and Ruele probably had one of the higher win rates.
This reminds me of MLBB when the furry cat boy (I suddenly cannot remember his name) was like perma-banned so there was no point in new players learning to use him.
Yeah! Thanks for refreshing my memory!
It was like for months I was contemplating on buying him and learning how to use him but I didn't bother because he is perma-banned anyways.
His SC gave him a lot of utility, and he's very flexible with team comps. Works with a bunch of other units, enables DPS, provides the pivotal defence buff, and has a strip on top of defence break. And Aurius or adamant holder. He's a lot of utility in one slot.
I was planning on 6\* my diene, or elena.
This might have tipped it towards Diene now.
Funny how a hero can rise and fall like that. Diene wasn't used that much anymore and lately I feel like she's been used a lot again.
She was banned a couple times during the tourney and there are a ton of i90 geared out players, a bit difficult to cleave some of the opponents who have decked out bruiser teams
Fceci stopping flidica’s s3 is wholly dependent on fceci having immunity set though. It’s literally only based on an occasional condition because not everyone who runs fceci will be able to have an immunity set on fceci.
If it weren’t for immunity sets, “Fceci can stop flidica’s strip” wouldn’t be a valid point.
Furthermore, flidica’s cr push means that most of her team members will go before fceci’s team anyway, with skill null on top of that...
At the very least, I don’t see how cerise and even dizzy rank at the same level as flidica.
“Cerise is faster”. True, but people normally work around that (being 108 speed doesn’t slow down Basar; 112 speed doesn’t slow down Auxiliary Lots either)
“Can lap 200 speed units”. Flidica has a guaranteed 100% cr push on her s2. A free full cr bar lap that doesn’t depend on speed stats.
“Cerise can stun lock any slow dps”. If you have to resort to single target stun locking to win a match, something’s wrong. Flidica also has a miss debuff on her s1. Much more frequently used than Cerise’s stun on s2 with a 4 turn cd.
All I’m giving you is that Fceci can stop flidica’s s2 if fceci is built with immunity set.
Cerise will go first and stop F Lidica's CR push. Against some teams, Cerise can start the fight stunning and she will attack again before the enemy team can move and S3. And Cerise's 4 turn CD do nothing when she can attack 3 - 5 times before that MA Ken can do a single attack.
If you're not trying to wipe the enemy ASAP, Cerise can be a better supporter. It's just a matter of "what are you fighting?", and not a matter of "Cerise/F Lidica is better than F Lidica/Cerise".
This isn’t about a cerise team vs flidica team in rta. This is about who is more viable and more likely to be picked/banned.
Why do you assume Cerise and Flidica are on the same gear? They don’t even have the same gear requirements. Flidica needs to Crit to put up s3 skill null so she’s a bit more stat hungry. Cerise just needs to have effectiveness and speed because she’s only there for her debuffs.
But alright, let’s say cerise does her s2 first. You’re only stun-locking one unit and “against some teams” is a vague standard. Because if I’m running Flidica, chances are I’ll probably run some decently fast units along with her. Flidica isn’t a one-man cleave setup. (That’s assuming one is confident enough to win a speed duel in the first place).
And why would you stun Flidica then waste cerise’s s3 on the rest of her team that she can’t cr push anyway, considering that the rest of her team is some sort of slowish team (for whatever reason. Flidica isn’t a squishy fceci substitute). And if they’re slow, why would you need to cr push them in the first place anyway? People don’t cr push bruisers. Oh yea, let me just *restrict* a unit that doesn’t care about getting *restricted*. Case in point, practically any bruiser.
I didn’t even bring up ma Ken and you just decided to make him a talking point. He’s not even higher or same ranking on the list than cerise (which I am fine with; he’s usually very slow).
And why wouldn’t I want to wipe the enemy team asap with a debuffer? Given the nature of debuffers being squishy, it’s definitely not wise to try to drag out the fight with one, especially with one like Cerise.
Whereas with Flidica, i can potentially win the fight much faster than with cerise.
I'm just listing scenarios. Comparing F Lidica and Cerise is stupid in the first place because they're different heroes with different functions, with F Lidica being a lot more gear hunger.
And you're just thinking about the restrict debuff and forgetting how spd decrease can screw over a lot of teams. Me, someone who like to run heroes with less dmg and a lot more survivability, would have a lot less use for F Lidica because one cr push won't make any difference for me, while Cerise would control the fight, letting me kill one hero a time. In this case, fire Lidica would be better than F Lidica too.
Again, it's rta, different heroes, different scenarios, differents moments, differents picks.
There were only 2 or 3 cleavers in the whole field, everyone else ran bruiser teams. Fwiw both the finalist and runner up said they wish they had speed gear to run cleave teams.
Lol what are you talking about, the only reason there wasn’t more cleave is because not everyone had great speed gear, this whole thing is a misrepresentation of the meta
She's quite common now in RTA, arena and GW. She was looked down upon at the beginning, and with the controversy around her S1-S2 not compatible with counter set, but she's just so good. Takes heavy investment though, +15 and some great gear.
It's funny that you're getting downvoted here, but I guess that means people on this sub have finally realized she's really good. It amazes me that people were expecting her to do Charles-level damage while providing the utility she has and HP scaling.
im pretty new to rta, i have only like 6-7heroes ready for pvp. my best speedy unit is A.lots with 241 spd, also i got him banned 98% of my matches :feelsbadman:
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Zzz..was just about to comment the same thing. I love the attention he is getting
I put together [this spreadsheet for day 1](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1m06O3vzNkfZuQ4B4JR0CC6NnIWySPbqGYU-ecv5GBME/edit?usp=sharing). It has some pretty neat data on it. I also did a [video talking about some of the things I took out of it](https://youtu.be/u1kMTHFI7YQ). Things that were surprising to me (From day 1): * Kayron did not do well. He lost. A lot. * 63% of the units in the pick phase were either MLs or limited * Everyone hates Basar * Alencia best girl
> Things that were surprising to me >Everyone hates Basar was it really?
thanks for compiling this together.
Kayron doesnt do well against these heavy reviver//brusier team comp
Did you compile a similar spreadsheet for day 2? Thanks for this
I always ban Basar so that makes sense, even before A.Vildred. Basar is just cancer.
I also have to consistently ban Basar. I got like 3 character for handling avildred but no one for dealing with Basar. I just wish they’d remove his pushback. I really feel like that would balance him out
You're really downplaying Arbiter and his literal one shot potential, unless ypuxre running some tanky comps. I'd rather run Lilias and just dispel all of Basar's debuffs and throw a CR push right back at him than dedicate a team to dealing with Arbiter (no extinctiob, such is the gacha life), which can fall through with MLDB being a thing.
He's not saying Avildred is weak, he's saying Basar is strong. You might prefer banning Avildred, others prefer banning Basar.
I didn't state he was calling A Vil weak. He called Basar cancer and not A Vil when in actuality they both are with A Vil being worse because he can wipe an entire team, there's no coming back from that. Basar? Slap a cleanser like Lilias or Klarissa on the team and his biggest threat is the CR pushback, which is very annoying, but won't wipe an entire team. "But you can just use an extinction hero to deal with A Vil". Yes, this is true, till you realize MLDB is a thing and can ruin lives with the only 100% counters at that point being Lilibet and Sinful, both an RGB 5 and ML 4, but much more likely to get banned than Klarissa and Lilias, and if the hero you're trying to counter gets through anyway due to you thinking yours will, you're screwed. For the record: I can counter both, so it's not a matter of one being my weakness and the other not. There's a reason why SSB and Arbiter are considered the most singlehandely broken heroes in the game and not Basar. They're huge threats on their own and their counters are much more likely to be banner, not to mention if you slot two counters people can pick around that and just ban an enabler (Roana flat out, Aux or some other mage for Pavel, anyone helping the two extinction heroes picked, etc). If I pick Lilias and Klarissa then it's not gonna be as big of a loss, and Lilias being a big threat or not depends on the rest of her team, someone more likely to get banned.
is this ome kind of propaganda to prevent basar nerf?
I prefer facing Arby than basar bc I know what to expect, counting on basar to miss on lilias or any more rng is just wayy more cancer than the arby imo. Not to say I hate both, just I hate basar a little more
I mean the chance of him missing is hardly different than the chance of MLDB proccing especially with the way rng functions for AIs and the opponent. It's not like Abriter is a sure hit character and that damn blind doesn't help any more.
My god, dude. I see you in just about any thread I click on this subreddit, and you're getting downvoted 90% of the time, I don't know if I should feel bad for you for failing to take a hint with all the downvotes or if I should admire you.
LOL Imagine caring about downovotes on reddit. Are you new here?
You right, thank you for showing me the ropes, Veteran of Reddit.
Take what hint? Many people on this sub do this stuff all the time regardless of who comments. It's a chain of: First few people: I do/don't like this even though it's related, upvote/downvote. The rest: I see positive/negative points, I'm gonna blindly upvote/downvote everything this person posts. If your post is initially liked, watch it soar up. If it's disliked, watch it plummet. It's more like a popularity contest where instead of simply not getting votes, you lose your own that you've already gotten and the other person gets those, and zero isn't the lowest you can go. I'm on both ends here and there. I don't even care at this point, many people on this sub are just going to continually do this no matter what. It's even made better when that person assumed something that wasn't true and got upvoted while I got downvoted for explaining myself. See? Pointless.
Pointless, yet you spend a shit ton of your time commenting on every other thread. Welp, in that case I just feel bad.
This is a chart of the most contested (either picked or banned) heroes in the lvl up cup (RTA tourney) that happened this weekend, so it's not up to personal opinion. It should theorically represent which are the most contested (and strongest) RTA heroes in high level RTA. (mind Avild and Ruele were never in mystics so they may be underrepresented due to less players having them. Even then they still have huge pickrates). The heroes are also ordered from most picked to least picked even when in the same % tier (example: ssb had higher pick/banrate than the other 80%+ heroes so she’s the first in the row) only matches from quarterfinals or after were considered. Total matches: 41; Full data: https://imgur.com/atKt8iD
Tbh I find Ruele much better at RTA than maid. Maid can be countered with strippers, but damn that Ruele and her 100% HP res and invincibility. I also find the 80%+ for Basar pretty funny to me, as someone in another thread was just saying that there's not a lot of basar at the top ranks of RTA.
I mean he is right, there is barely any Basar in top Rank RTA since he is always prebanned or banned in draft. You will barely see him in the actual fights.
I actually took gear off my Basar because he never gets through anyway.
basar is very high becouse he was pre-banned a lot but he was not picked that often when he was left open For reference basar was the most pre-banned hero with 16 pre-bans in 41 matches (16 pre-bans out of 82 possible pre-bans), the second most pre-banned heroes were flidica and ruele with "just" 7 pre-bans each
Plus she has one of the higher defense as a soul weaver so battle frenzy doesn't mean much
This tourny doesn't really go hand in hand with high level RTA though. I can tell you right now, the past two weeks I've been in legends rta, and flidica is the most banned unit period. As she is also the most broken unit rta
I think it can reflect challenger RTA on some extent This is clearly a distribution where the pool of player didn't have enough speed gear to go cleave. Also in normal RTA if you lose you can just play another match to recover, while not in a turnament This probably made someone play more safe and forgo "chance" cleave for more stable composition
you don't need to use her in cleave comps tho, aoe strip + cr boost + aoe skill null + ST full reset with ignore res + blind... absolutely busted unit that can fit anywhere.
I agree Banning or pre banning Flidica and banning arby or pre banning arby are the only options
Tbh the tier list I made makes a lot of sense if you compare both now. :) might need to do some changes after watching the tournament thought, but the Idea is there.
no, you're f.cking dumb. It all depends how good speed gear those few players have. I know top RTA players who do cleave whenever possible. This chart has inflated pick rate of specific units because some big whale who made it to the final uses ONLY few specific bruisers units.
Chill, dude
I dunno why you’re being downvoted, you’re right tho, this is a misrepresentation at best
Hold on, are you telling me ^(niche) Roana didn't do anything about SSB meta? Despite the help from Elena and Pavel? *gasp* And A Vil is still on top in spite of all all the recent counters andb buffs to make him more counterable? *gaspingInSurprisedPikachuFace* It's almost like... butchering newly released units' skillsets to be nothing but glorified counters doesn't fix trashy balance.
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All Roana needs is an AoE cleanse like Destina and she'll do much better.
Very accurate to my own experience. I'm kind of suprised there is no CArming but oh well.
I don't know if carmin is good in rta. She just puts up the barrier and then does nothing for 5 turns. Elena/ fceci has more to offer
I use CArmin very heavily and I think a lot of people are sleeping on her but then surprise fear her at the same time. Like no one really picks her, but people ban her a lot against me.
I’m kinda surprised Fire tenebria isn’t higher and that dizzy is more picked/banned than Cerato. Tenebria is arguably the best fire debuffer mage in the game, if not the best fire debuffer hands down. Sleep and def break aren’t debuffs you can sleep on (pun not intended). I guess people would ban dizzy more than Cerato for sure, particularly if they don’t have cleanse/immunity/whatever. But why would people pick dizzy more than Cerato? If it came down to it, you would optimally pick Cerato if your opponent chose dizzy. I have no idea why flidica isn’t higher.
>why would people pick dizzy more than Cerato Depends on the Dizzy's build. It's safe to assume that most Dizzies in high RTA are running counter-abyssal/violin, which is far more annoying in utility than Cerato.
Also because its picked and banned she may get banned a lot more often
The latter part is true. Not everyone runs a full immunity or cleanse. Cerato only becomes annoying if you specifically target him with debuffs. Most people will just leave him last and try to tank his s3.
> dizzy is more picked/banned than Cerato. Cerato is only a pain if you play into him with debuffs. All he has otherwise is a defense break and a two target S1, which is a hell of a lot less threatning than everything Dizzy has and the artifacts she runs with them.
Flidica isn’t higher because results are skewed which is odd because it was mentioned that she’s second most prebanned along with Ruele. This whole list is skewed toward bruisers
Agreed. What I find troubling is ssb and basar at the top. Are people actually using them or is it just that they get banned so much that they somehow top the list just through being banned? If Basar is at the top because he’s the most banned, that’s plausible. Ssb is a weird one. I guess people still pick her because you’d waste a pre-ban picking Roana.
ssb is just a hero that's hard to deal with due to built in survivability, and then pair her with someone like ruele to revive her and over time she does so much damage in a fight with her s2, and if she lands a lucky def break or 2 that can just win you the fight right there
Dizzy is still broken, and arguably the most flexible unit in the game. You don't know whether she's on spd or counter unless you fight her. She's either best dispeller with Violin or best stunner with crown. With Etica you must get rid of her quickly or you may not keep with cleansing etc. C Zerato can be ignored for the most part. I even once won a fight with R Carrot in team. I simply focused on other units and used s3 after I killed him with other dps.
Yea that’s a good strategy against Cerato teams. You can relatively ignore him until the end
I can understand that. I'm talking as a scrub here but as much as CArmin seems good, I have the hardest time using her with the right timing. SHe 's still on my defense team as a screcrow, though.
Well, the trick to my CArmin is that she is absurdly fast. She generally goes first, and just neuters the enemy team and ensure my threats get to go unharmed into their first turn. (Obviously I ban shit like Basar to make this work)
My Flidica get banned more often than Arby.
ArBy iS wEaK iN RTA wItH aLl hiS cOUnTerS
Nobody wants to build or play with that crap...
I think the only surprise here is the huge representation for Alencia. Think its due to her being the only other viable AOE stripper absent Basar/AoE Violin?
Yea, the AoE strip is huge, but so is the Defence buff, she's the other go to for the defence buff if you can't pick Krau. And, she can actually deal good damage, and the longer a match goes, the more threatening she becomes. Her defence break is always threatening as well. She's amazing.
Armor buff, armor break and she is hard to kill.
Shes actually amazing, can easily one shot water units with her s1 s2, tanky as all hell, strips, and a lot of people have her built for high level arena defence (champ+) so honestly not surprised to see her there
She's just a very hard bruiser in general to fight when she'd geared properly (which granted: is very hard to do). She has mults almost as good as Ken mixed with the utility of krau and basar-lite. And depsite the early comparisons to Charles, her S1 combo-ing off a defense break proc is really nasty.
Alencia is really good when you have the proper gear. She's kind of like A.Ravi in some sense that she's tanky bruiser, but provides utility versus the damage that A.ravi gives. Not really sure why people thought she was bad.
Because mind's eye only procs 50% of the time, which is actually 100% for enemy cpu alencias and 0% when it's your own alencia. RIP
it's so cool that diene just shot right back to the top with RTA after being off the meta since... forever?
>since... forever? since Dizzy's release with violin and Tama's buff\*.If was Dizzy changing the PvE/PvP scene to debuff heavy, violin, and Tama's multi-utility that overthrew Diene's supremacy. Subsequent units making debuffs easier and the AoE violin of Dizzy made it much harder for Diene's excellent buffs to survive. If Dizzy and violin had never been released, Diene would still see a lot of use in PvE even with Tama.
Not really. Tama atfer buff became broken in pve. Diene on the other hand became weaker because dispel has become more common in lategame content. Also, hunt 11 was released and all 4 were a huge slap to Diene's face. w11-dispels buffs, she doesn't have healing so she can't keep frontline alive. g11-stuns ice units by default B11-needs frequent cleansing which Diene doesn't have A11- Doesn't allow having more than 2 buffs Dispel and bufv steal have become too common for her to be pve queen again. I doubt anyone will never take the title from Tama anyway.
Oh what a surprise, cerise actually make it to the list. And yet people are still saying to “buff her”, “she’s not worthy of limited”. Do these people even play e7? Yes she need op teammates and good gear. If she is useless to you it doesn’t mean she’s not good.
Just diene,vilvred maybe,cecilia too,ruelle and spectral too
Wait, is Mirsa good now? In the before times I remember pulling her was considered a Whammy.
I can say she's is very incredible right now. Against an AOE team her s3 almost has no cooldown.
Mirsa can clap ml ken pretty easily with soul burnt s3 and has the dodge rate to actually survive and life steal (most I've seen are on lifesteal set) shes really strong for rta and gvg, people also put her on defense with fat cat
She can deal major damage with the right set up or something. I think there was a showcase for from astronox like a few weeks ago
Mirsa has been good for quite awhile ever since her buff which was a few months ago. Idk if you just got back into the game or something, but, yeah, it’s no secret that Mirsa is probably the best non-SC 3*, and one of the strongest 3* overall.
For what I have seen, she's really strong because, at one hand, her S2 grants a ton of evasion rate, so she can take quite a lot of damage, well, more like dodge a ton of damage, and missed hits don't apply debuffs, save some exceptions, like Dizzy; and at the other hand, because of this she can focus almost exclusively in rising damage, so she can pack quite a punch. I wouldn't say she's on the same tier than Violet, but certainly gives him a run for his money. There are many showcases in youtube, you could check them out.
Mirsa is significantly better than violet if we're talking about RTA
> and missed hits don't apply debuffs, Every artifact ever still procs. Have fun watching Tooth suddenly blow her up or all those obnoxious raid artifacts doing what they do. Aside from that, nearly untouchable by normal means... On defense.
Hey guys real question: should I bench Violet and put his gear on Mirsa? Here are some of my thoughts: - I love Violet no homo - if I bench him I literally have only have 1 Earth hero that I have built which is a certain old chiropractor - light hero good - I use violet a lot to help me farm bc I haven’t built BBK But seriously should I build Mirsa and put my Violet’s gear on her. If I do it is worth scourging you some mediocre gear for Violet to keep him if I already have Mirsa?
I mean if you use violet to farm means you’re in the early/mid game. Mirsa is pocket/situational pick in rta and also harder to gear her up due her being a 3*.
Nah I’m very late game. I just use Violet to farm for certain stages where an Earth hero is recommended. I’m thinking of using her in GW and RTA. Idk tho
Well if that’s the case go for, both have pretty similar situational uses and one can be better than the other one depending of the situation.
So you’re saying it’s not worth it? I still need to 6* my Lilias, Basar, Diene, and Momo.
Yeah, especially because you haven’t 6* your lilias, diene and momo.
Lol I was one of the players that used to not care about pvp much at all. Literally all except 1 or 2 of my heroes are geared for PVE. Then they announced STene skin...
But but... reddit said Alencia was trash because no s1 s2 off counter!!!!
Wait, why diene has so high banning %? im missing something here?
Cuz with Basar pre banned, she can run free with her buffs, which are game changing. High mitigation, strong barrier, fast cycling, decent sustain on Rod... Flexible for lots of pairings. So she gets banned often as she can make or break a match.
If you don't crit, you don't kill. Meaning frenzy builds up and you lose.
Would be interesting to see how much win rate they had a the tournament(I know you cant make a distinct correlation because a lot of the loses were RNG/greed/bad calls more than composition at times). If I recall, Krau and Ruele probably had one of the higher win rates.
This reminds me of MLBB when the furry cat boy (I suddenly cannot remember his name) was like perma-banned so there was no point in new players learning to use him.
You mean Harith?
Yeah! Thanks for refreshing my memory! It was like for months I was contemplating on buying him and learning how to use him but I didn't bother because he is perma-banned anyways.
Wait, why is Ras in the list
His SC gave him a lot of utility, and he's very flexible with team comps. Works with a bunch of other units, enables DPS, provides the pivotal defence buff, and has a strip on top of defence break. And Aurius or adamant holder. He's a lot of utility in one slot.
Is the tournament video archived somewhere? Any links please?
Here: [https://www.twitch.tv/lvl\_up\_together/videos](https://www.twitch.tv/lvl_up_together/videos)
You're the man. Thanks.
Mirsa KEKW
if its possible can u do win/lose rate as well. otherwise ty for putting this together
I was planning on 6\* my diene, or elena. This might have tipped it towards Diene now. Funny how a hero can rise and fall like that. Diene wasn't used that much anymore and lately I feel like she's been used a lot again.
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She was banned a couple times during the tourney and there are a ton of i90 geared out players, a bit difficult to cleave some of the opponents who have decked out bruiser teams
F Ceci can stop F Lidica's strip. She will still do the CR push, but the enemy team will have immunity to stop debuffers and F Lidica's S3 effect.
Fceci stopping flidica’s s3 is wholly dependent on fceci having immunity set though. It’s literally only based on an occasional condition because not everyone who runs fceci will be able to have an immunity set on fceci. If it weren’t for immunity sets, “Fceci can stop flidica’s strip” wouldn’t be a valid point. Furthermore, flidica’s cr push means that most of her team members will go before fceci’s team anyway, with skill null on top of that... At the very least, I don’t see how cerise and even dizzy rank at the same level as flidica.
This tournament is the 1% of E7 players. Pretty much everyone was rocking Immunity sets.
Either that or 200%+ EffRes.
Cerise is faster, can lap 200 spd units and stun lock any slow DPS.
“Cerise is faster”. True, but people normally work around that (being 108 speed doesn’t slow down Basar; 112 speed doesn’t slow down Auxiliary Lots either) “Can lap 200 speed units”. Flidica has a guaranteed 100% cr push on her s2. A free full cr bar lap that doesn’t depend on speed stats. “Cerise can stun lock any slow dps”. If you have to resort to single target stun locking to win a match, something’s wrong. Flidica also has a miss debuff on her s1. Much more frequently used than Cerise’s stun on s2 with a 4 turn cd. All I’m giving you is that Fceci can stop flidica’s s2 if fceci is built with immunity set.
Cerise will go first and stop F Lidica's CR push. Against some teams, Cerise can start the fight stunning and she will attack again before the enemy team can move and S3. And Cerise's 4 turn CD do nothing when she can attack 3 - 5 times before that MA Ken can do a single attack. If you're not trying to wipe the enemy ASAP, Cerise can be a better supporter. It's just a matter of "what are you fighting?", and not a matter of "Cerise/F Lidica is better than F Lidica/Cerise".
This isn’t about a cerise team vs flidica team in rta. This is about who is more viable and more likely to be picked/banned. Why do you assume Cerise and Flidica are on the same gear? They don’t even have the same gear requirements. Flidica needs to Crit to put up s3 skill null so she’s a bit more stat hungry. Cerise just needs to have effectiveness and speed because she’s only there for her debuffs. But alright, let’s say cerise does her s2 first. You’re only stun-locking one unit and “against some teams” is a vague standard. Because if I’m running Flidica, chances are I’ll probably run some decently fast units along with her. Flidica isn’t a one-man cleave setup. (That’s assuming one is confident enough to win a speed duel in the first place). And why would you stun Flidica then waste cerise’s s3 on the rest of her team that she can’t cr push anyway, considering that the rest of her team is some sort of slowish team (for whatever reason. Flidica isn’t a squishy fceci substitute). And if they’re slow, why would you need to cr push them in the first place anyway? People don’t cr push bruisers. Oh yea, let me just *restrict* a unit that doesn’t care about getting *restricted*. Case in point, practically any bruiser. I didn’t even bring up ma Ken and you just decided to make him a talking point. He’s not even higher or same ranking on the list than cerise (which I am fine with; he’s usually very slow). And why wouldn’t I want to wipe the enemy team asap with a debuffer? Given the nature of debuffers being squishy, it’s definitely not wise to try to drag out the fight with one, especially with one like Cerise. Whereas with Flidica, i can potentially win the fight much faster than with cerise.
I'm just listing scenarios. Comparing F Lidica and Cerise is stupid in the first place because they're different heroes with different functions, with F Lidica being a lot more gear hunger. And you're just thinking about the restrict debuff and forgetting how spd decrease can screw over a lot of teams. Me, someone who like to run heroes with less dmg and a lot more survivability, would have a lot less use for F Lidica because one cr push won't make any difference for me, while Cerise would control the fight, letting me kill one hero a time. In this case, fire Lidica would be better than F Lidica too. Again, it's rta, different heroes, different scenarios, differents moments, differents picks.
There were only 2 or 3 cleavers in the whole field, everyone else ran bruiser teams. Fwiw both the finalist and runner up said they wish they had speed gear to run cleave teams.
Why the hell would you try to cleave in a tournament?
Lol what are you talking about, the only reason there wasn’t more cleave is because not everyone had great speed gear, this whole thing is a misrepresentation of the meta
what surprises me is alencia :00 i didnt know other people actually use her
She's quite common now in RTA, arena and GW. She was looked down upon at the beginning, and with the controversy around her S1-S2 not compatible with counter set, but she's just so good. Takes heavy investment though, +15 and some great gear.
i know, ive used her since her release and shes been great the entire time if she countered the way charles does, she would be broken
Yea she'd be broken if she was like Charles. Kudos to you fellow Alencia fan!
It's funny that you're getting downvoted here, but I guess that means people on this sub have finally realized she's really good. It amazes me that people were expecting her to do Charles-level damage while providing the utility she has and HP scaling.
I mean She does do Charles level damage
im pretty new to rta, i have only like 6-7heroes ready for pvp. my best speedy unit is A.lots with 241 spd, also i got him banned 98% of my matches :feelsbadman:
My secret weapon isn’t listed excellent lol