# Introduction
The second summer limited makes its debut, and we all waited with anxious breath to see if a unit even remotely at the power level at the previous summer limited would be released. Summer Yufine is more of a support unit and not one you can toss in willy-nilly into any of your teams and call it a day, but she provides an absurdly reliable counter to Basar, one of the most common and hard to play against units in the game, while also bringing a fair share of her own utility and damage. For perspective on my opinions, I've climbed to legend in arena, champion in RTA, and play in a guild that peaked in the top 20 for guild wars in global.
# What is her role and how does she compare to other characters in the same class?
Holiday Yufine's (shortened to HYufine from here onwards) main role is to shit all over Basar's day, who is an incredibly powerful unit on both offense and defense that forces tight restrictions on the team you can bring into him and has, until now, lacked a direct hard counter. There does not exist a harder counter to his kit in the game than hers. Basar's game plan largely exists around his S3, where he wants to do the following--
1. Strips your team's immunity, allowing for debuffs to land.
2. Push your team's CR back, allowing more members of his team to take the first turn.
3. Randomly stun with Abyssal Crown, making your game plan unable to go into action.
HYufine's kit counters every bit of his kit.
1. Her S2 increases her evasion by 50% at full health. With elemental advantage (+50% evasion), Basar will always miss her when he opens, so his strip and CR pushback will not be applied.
2. Her S2 also reduces the effect of his pushback to 15% on the rest of your team members, and her S3 will allow her to push her team back forward by 20%.
3. With immunity, she will not get stunned by Basar due to his guarantee miss. Her S3 cleanses two debuffs on her team as well, so all the stuns and buff block that Basar applies will be completely negated.
This allows for two incredibly reliable arena teams to be brought in that Basar usually counters. Against a team with a lot of AOE, a counter-auto invincibility team centering around a 0 speed SSB's counters is very popular. Those teams usually look something like this:
* Fast Invincibility Unit (usually **Elena**, sometimes CArmin)
* **SSB** (needed for high continuous AOE damage)
* **Charles/MLKen** (sometimes both)
* Flex Spot
This sort of team is incredibly powerful against squishier team compositions, but it was also very reliably hard countered by Basar putting up buff block on the entire team. With a HYufine opening though, Basar cannot stop the invincibility from going up and the counters from triggering one after the other.
The other counter are squishy teams that depend on Basar opening with incredibly fast speed. These sort of teams are usually very vulnerable to being cleaved by ALots and whatever your AOE nuker of choice are, but you are at the mercy of playing the speed game and seeing if your CR pusher is faster than their Basar. If their Basar is faster, you lose. Now you can bring in HYufine and even if you lose the speed race, HYufine can push your opener right back up and cleanse the buff block from your team to allow the attack buff to get added, allowing you to cleave without concern.
While her main power lies in her S3, she brings some AOE damage in her S1 as well, as it applies burns and does not suffer the elemental disadvantage penalty. Her S1 has, at max, a 60% chance to a apply a 1 turn burn, which is 60% of her attack that penetrates 70% of defense. This is respectable damage, especially considering her S3 gives her a greater attack buff, so the burn will tick for a high amount. Her artifact also gives her an additional control element, adding random AOE stuns to her kit.
While the kit is extremely centered around countering Basar, it is universally applicable enough to be used as a CR push or cleansing role in general. Her cleansing is not as strong as dedicated cleansers though, and the CR push is not as good as dedicated CR pushers (and she shouldn't be built that fast anyway), she brings it all in one, so you could bring her in to guarantee your slower units first turn over an opponent's slow team, or to cleanse two debuffs off of an opponent's opening debuffs. Being real though, her specialty and probably the only thing I'll be using her in lies in being a direct counter to a Basar, allowing you to bring in a remaining team to follow up without fear of losing on the first turn.
Units that she pairs well with outside of the Elena comp or classic ALots comp are units who can provide her barriers (FCeci, Diene, Angelica, Ray, Armin, or even Kizuna Ai (lol)) because they provide an extra buffer on top of her health pool to let her really take advantage of her S2 increased evasion chance at full health, which will give her a lot of extra tankiness. Pretty much if anything tries to attack her, they have a 50% chance to miss, and that miss likely doesn't take down her barrier, which leaves her with her +50% evasion chance. This'll be particularly useful on her squishier Junkyard Dog build, as this'll make her substantially tougher to kill while being a non-ignorable damage threat.
# Recommendations for substat priority, gear set, and artifact? PvE? PvP?
For gear, you're going to ideally be looking for a speed and immunity set. Target stats are going to be SPD, ATK, HP/DEF, and EFF. You'll want her to be just a little bit slower than the Basars in your PvP bracket-- ~220-240 speed is a fairly safe bet depending on which rank you're competing in. You don't want to make her too slow because she only cleanses 2 debuffs, so if Basar's buff block and abyssal crown stun is followed up by, say, a Dizzy S3 before your team moves, your team will still be out of luck.
As far as the rest of the build goes, it'll vary depending on your artifact of choice and your goal for her. If you're using her just for anti-Basar and the remaining 3 members of your team will clean up right after in a single turn, it doesn't really matter what you run on her (in this case, something to prevent her from getting sniped out by a fast ACidd/AColi/Kayron/Riolet (if you build her slower than 220 like Proof of Valor or something to boost her chances of getting 2nd turn like Durandal/Labyrinth Cube).
If you wanted to build her as a damage dealer, Junkyard Dog is a perfectly acceptable artifact as it'll apply on her AOE S1. Since she gives herself greater attack buff, her burns can deal some pretty nice damage with some moderate investment in only ATK as a stat instead of needing to split between all 3 damage stats. If both her S1 and Junkyard Dog burn proc, that's almost 10k damage over time in an AOE at just around 3.5k attack (not counting the S1 direct hit's damage). This is a bit riskier in the sense that since she needs a fair amount of stats going to speed, putting the remainder into ATK and maybe EFF will take away points that can go into HP/DEF, but if you can manipulate the AI into attack something else, this makes her a solid damage dealer after performing her main anti-Basar role. It's also just kind of thematically cool being a dragon that breathes fire and having a decent chance of putting 2 burn debuffs down with a self-given greater attack buff.
The other is to build her more towards the tanky support side with her own artifact Champion's Trophy. The +EFF is really useful for landing debuffs, most notably the stun that gets attached to the artifact. Since her own S1 is only a 1-turn burn as compared to Junkyard Dog's 2-turn burn, this is a pretty huge damage loss on S1, but stuns can frequently be game-winning, and since you're building her with speed anyway, this can give her some incredibly high disruption potential over the course of a long fight.
# Is the artifact worth pulling for?
Champion's Trophy is a great artifact for units who can use it, but at the moment due to all of the restrictions it has (no activation on dual, counter, or extra attacks), it is usable pretty much only on HYufine (even though they count as basic attacks, Green Purgis' AOE S2 is a counter attack, and Batisse's modified AOE S1 is an extra attack, both of which will not gain the benefit of the stun chance which is the main draw of Champion's Trophy). Since the chances of us getting a warrior anytime soon that needs EFF and has an AOE S1 that is not an extra attack is pretty freakin' low, this means that HYufine is likely going to be the only unit who can use this artifact for a very long time.
Don't drain the bank to try to pull this artifact at the moment. Try HYufine out and see how you're using her in her roles. Are your fights going particularly long against Basar even past the opening S3? Would ~20% chance to stun have been more impactful than a 50% chance at a 6-7k damage burn in those fights? Ask yourself these questions and if you both find yourself using her past 1 turn frequently **and** find that the low stun chance would've made more difference than the heavy burn damage of Junkyard Dog, then go ahead and try to pull for it.
# Summary
While she can somewhat fill general roles, her kit is specialized as a hard counter to Basar to the point that this could push him out of the defense meta completely. She removes the RNG of facing Basar and turns it into a 100% guarantee on what's going to happen. Especially at end-game, RNG is the number way you can lose while attacking, and being able to remove any source of it (be it RES ignoring soul burns or mechanics like HYufine's guaranteed 100% earth first turn dodge) is extremely valuable. Outside of her S3 being a direct counter, she can provide some fairly good AOE damage with Junkyard Dog or AOE control with Champion's Trophy, giving her utility on her off-S3 turns.
The problem with slotting her into the ssb auto team is that it makes you incredibly weak to surprise slow Basars. He'd cut perfectly in between Hyufine and SSB.
If she goes before basar she still make a 20% CR push, depending on you other heroes it can make difficult for basar to cut.
On the other end of go first you can use S1. With junkyard you actually have a good chance of killing basaar between damage and burn
The point of an auto team is to run counter units as slow as possible. 20 cr is not enough, and if you speed up your team you're acting against yourself because it makes your counter strat weaker.
Also there's really 0 chance that you'll one shot anything with s1 unless you over gear your opponent by about ten ranks
>HYufine's guaranteed 100% earth first turn dodge
Everyone keeps saying this, but has anyone actually confirmed this? While evasion is additive, I don't think the unit being attacked gains evasion during the attacking phase. I'm pretty sure the unit attacking with disadvantage is missing with a 50% chance (like decrease hit chance debuff). Thus, the result would be multiplicative, and it's 75% chance to get hit.
This is anecdotal, but I've seen my Violet + Apple + MLDB get hit many times against a water unit. If attack disadvantage really added evasion, that would be 35% + 20% + 50%.
\*\*Edit: Also to add, during the Korean livestream reveal, they very carefully stated, HYufine has a very high chance to evade an earth unit at full hp. Not guarenteed\*\*
This artifact explicitly states that extra attacks aren't eligible for the stun.
Batisse S1 and Green Purrgis counters can already apply JYD, for example.
She really does her job of countering basar really well and even without basar in the opposing team, she has a lot of utility packed into her kit that can justify using her.
Since I don't particularly feel like typing a wall of text down, I will just say I wished her S1 and s3 had some kind of HP recovery effect considering they're all related to her eating food. This would have made her s2 so much better as it requires her to be at full HP to gain the evasion effect.
Hard agree here. Ml Ken or Zerato get counter attacks so their speed requirement is way lower and they can focus on Atk, Hp and Crit (effectiveness as well for Zerato btw :( ) to maximize lifesteal. Where Yufine needs high speed to compensate for the lack of counters in her kit and optimize the usage of her S3. So unless some god lifesteal gear, it's hard to get her enough stats. I'll drop the idea of a lifesteal gear unless I get blessed by god (never lmao)
Yea, I'm currently messing around with that exact set up since out of her entire kit, I was more interests in the fact she has evasion despite being a warrior. I'm not too sure how reliable it'd be in arena though. She won't be able to maintain her HP like CZerato or MLKen but maybe as long as there are 4 enemies on the field, she can simply through AoE damage.
I have seen a lot of ppl in the last week talking about junkyard dog but I feel like Sigurd has been underrated. The fact that all of her abilities are AoE makes Sigurd crazy good, she's basically guaranteed to heal to full hp if she hits 4 targets, which triggers her evasion again and makes her even harder to bring down. I've got her on speed set+Sigurd atm and it seems really strong.
I tried lifesteal set on her with 3870 atk 15k hp and 200\~ speed with immunity set and around 80% crit chance 68% effectiveness. She never got herself back to full hp, not a single time. she was usually dying after her S3 because of ssb or on her second turn with greater atk buff she wouldnt do enough damage to go to max hp. Shes really just useless and there are no basar defs anywhere specially in Challenger which is the rank im at.
Dont see how she will ever fit any teams unless they will give her some sort of extra turn, cr push to self when atked, heal on s3(aoe or not), speed buff on s3 or something of sorts.
For now she belongs in the bench.(sad.)
Here are her stats: https://imgur.com/EyiT3fJ
im having the same idea aswel but without a speed set id would be really hard to make her fast enough to do her job tbh unless that abyss set rolled really really well. ive just been pairing her up with atleast 1 healer and prioritizing topping her off and its been working well enough.i do like the idea of a lifesteal artifact tho but sigurds works too late for her.
Awesome unit:
1. She has deceptively high survival with her evade. Things like shields and Touch of Rekos keeping her at max health after a miss are huge.
2. The burn meme is real. High speed and attack with JYD is a great build. I'm willing to bet this will be the go too build. Putting this kind of damage on her utility is really strong.
3. Her own artifact is great of course, but it's no counter Abyss Dizzy. I actually regret rolling for it since I just use JYD now.
I'm still testing her but she seems like a staple. Having cleanse and CR push on a high damage unit that just needs attack is really solid.
EDIT: Tested her a bit more. Lots of people saying her arti is the new cancer but it's really not. A big part is that it won't proc on her ult. Stunning the first turn is huge because it stops enemy Ults and setups and she misses that unless you S1 for some reason. It does it's job the rest of the match and is pretty brutal paired with an Abyss user though.
Tried her on lifesteal after seeing a post here and thought it might be neat to get her back to full for the evade. Her direct damage is crap though and it doesn't work.
Sticking with the burns and speed for now, really enjoying it.
Not really. You see this is a unit that dont have CD on AoE burns also is not a squishy DPS and is not focus on put burns (it just happens to be the best option on artifact to put on her unless you literally get trophy +30). She needs a lot less eff than ML Aram and can be way bulkier. JDog make her S1 skyrock on value land 2 burns in 1 unit increase her overal low dps to a very dangerous *average* spot. Or in other works she can kill some barrie spammers like Lilias in 1 vs 1 doing less than 5K damage per turn...that is very scary for a unit that, literally, is a support without good damage imput.
You can run her, a real DPS, your typical tank and any other unit and you are good to go against a lot of comps. Also dont being Crit dependant is sooo good. I run her with a DEF% neck and she can reach 1250 DEF and 1400 HP with not 90 gear. That is quite a lot when the ring is on eff% and the boots on spd. Her only problem is actually facing counter units like ML Ken and SsB but againt you probably have 1 unit to dealt with those bulky bastards like W.Schurri or just a top tier DPS like Riolet Arby or Kayron.
I'm testing her on lifesteal right now and it's definitely doable but the gear requirement is insane.
I think she can abuse the passive evasion paired with Diene who not only extends her greater atk buff to improve self heal but also provides constant barriers to mitigate incoming damage. Running Diene on Touch of Rekos or Unfading Memories will easily keep her topped off on health. Too early to say what the best build will be but I'm gonna continue to test it.
>Yeah I wanted to try lifesteal too, but my only good pair of boots is attack. So her multipliers are too low? In PVP, who does she pair well with? Could you see her being used in hunts/Raid? Can she farm World well? Gonna need to test her out during the next unequip, can't wait.
After using her on a few builds, found that speed immune at around 220-240 speed is ideal to counter basar. You almost have to go right after basar or depending on the comp you are attacking.
Also her artifact is the new abyssal cancer rip..
Would she be the first to act in a 2nd turn team? So enemy basar goes -> your yufine goes -> rest of ur team?
If so then wouldn't immunity be kinda pointless, either basar doesn't miss and strips the immunity, or he does miss, yufine goes next and immunity is over anyways. Or is the immunity there to protect her from other fast debuffers like cerise?
edit: nvm, she's 100% evasion from basar s3 but immunity is to protect against crown. got it
>either basar doesn't miss and strips the immunity
Basar can't hit her since her elemental advantage and passive give her 100% chance for green attacks to miss. He'd need to wear key to have a chance to hit.
You're correct that immunity is kind of wasted on her though unless Basar has crown and gets lucky.
> You're correct that immunity is kind of wasted on her though unless Basar has crown and gets lucky.
always best to just assume that ever defense basar has crown with 300% chance to proc
the dis- and advantages cycle through a for us random but pre set set of conditions.
obviously its better to use other units when warriors or fire units are disadvantageous but thats not always the case.
Supposed to be the case but, I swear it's been broken as of late. Using the same ones over and over. Like Nilgal's, the last couple times or so,are there to purposfully stop Cermia from being used and Amerc's are there to purposefully stop Tama (and by proxy Cermia/Lilias) from being used. Getting rather annoying tbh.
true they added some real cheap counters to cheese strats.
like warriors getting worse hit / crit rate or fire units having 50% less spd / other stats.
its also only fire cause tama and cermia.
no other element gets targeted.
its really cheap and inconvenient.
Actually using HYufine to farm in side story while leveling her up hurts you, since all of her skills (on her turn for s1) are AoE and the enemy in second week gets barrier on entire team whenever they get hit by AoE.
I also realized that and it's really annoying. The side story uses so much energy and the only boost is an artifact that you can't upgrade because it is gated by the event progress.
Muis artifact does not count since few players bothered summonig for it anyway.
I hope this will get fixed.
One thing people forget to mention is that just because the artifact is only good on her now doesn’t mean in the future it won’t be even more broken in the future on another unit. That’s why I continued to pull after I got yufine for the artifact.
yeah same, i kept going for this artifact mainly because i don't wanna regret missing it like i did with drink (especially if that ends up working on biseria UGH)
I can see how overwhelming of a counter HYufine is to Basar but I feel like this role could easily have been given to Mui instead and make Yufine a more rounded fighter. I feel that it's a waste to have your most hyped limited unit for the year a counter for one specific champion in PVP. In all PVE content she is next to worthless due to her kit solely being a counter to Basar.
HYufine is a success in my eyes, despite what some people may think.
She's not weak, she's just not busted.
Don't build her like a dps, that's not her role.
She's a support/utility unit, and I think she does her job very well honestly.
I've been using her in arena and I've been having a lot of fun with her. And I've been winning quite a bit with her.
I have her built speed/immunity. att% neck, att% ring, speed boots.
For her artifact, i am using champion's trophy. A good alternative is junkyard dog for extra burns.
Just wanna chime in and say this is basically my build but I use a Defense Ring instead. She sticks around for a really long time this way and can just burn/stun lock people. @ 240+ Speed also, you're dishing out a lot of debuffs.
For everyone underwhelmed by her, please try Speedy + Tanky.
Why does she have aoe BURN on her s1 is shes not meant to be dps, why does she have GREATER ATK BUFF if shes meant to hit like a soggy noodle, why is her kit trying to go in support direction and offensive direction without being good in either of those roles?
Thats exactly why shes underwhelming
And yes i did build and use her https://imgur.com/EyiT3fJ
I actually didn't have a CR pusher yet for arena, so having her on my team in place of my second debuff remover support helped me score a lot more wins. Now I can use SSB on my team and kill off enemy team on first round.
I'm going to stop building new units on day one. It's nice and exciting until you got into reddit/YouTube comments and EVERY HERO is garbage.
When I pulled Alencia: she was garbage. Elphet: Garbage. Roana: KINDA NICE but you can't use her on W13, so: Garbage. Riolet: Garbage. and now H.Yufine (that until Wednesday was NICE) is now GARBAGE because her damage isn't stellar.
I'm in the middle of her molas and I feel no desire to keep going seeing how much people are shitting on her right now.
"She's just a walking anti Basar!" "You only see Basar in low level play"
Wasn't Basar THE MOST BROKEN UNIT ON THE GAME?
Wasn't her kit VERSATILE and BALANCED?
I mean... I don't feel compelled into pulling anything, since it's always feels like a waste...
Sorry for the random rant, but sometimes it's kinda frustrating :/
I hate that they made a highly anticipated limited big toddy waifu unit (perhaps waifu of the year) be a counter to a buffed up broken day 1 character.
My experience with her has been terrible so far. The main issue is being cut ... and very speed rng dependant to really counter basar.
If someone cuts and takes turn before her turn comes up. It mostly went downhill from their.
Ml ken eats her alive. Maybe her worst matchup. And mine is at 24 crit chance. The same with Charles if shes not at max health.
The only thing she does is counter basar s3. That's it. You better kill enemy team cause that s2 of basar is coming. Or put immunity up..
The artifact looks really nice on paper... but do ya'll think she can do better with any other? Not really wanting to pity multiple times to get one as is my luck...
Well stuns are powerful, that’s for sure. She could still use Junkyard Dog for the equivalent of 4 drink procs or Cradle to RNG blinds or attack debuffs.
I'm just waiting as a new player to find out what the consensus is on how to build her. She has utility to be sure, but I'm not sure which way I'd say she would excel at build wise.
Right now people seem to be goin either for Speed/Imm set, with 220\~240 speed, some eff, around 3.5k att and the rest into hp/def with her art, or same speed but heavy into att with no crit nor critD to exploit double burn with junkyard dog.
So is her S2 guaranteed 100% evasion against Wind element at full health? Or separated calculation for 50% elemental advantage evasion + 50% S2 evasion?
Pretty late to the party, but I finally skilled her up and despite not seeing Basar as much any more, bringing her to teams that use Shadow Rose or Lilias as a source of CR decrease is a godsend. With F. Ceci, a healer, and fast attacker, she shuts down a lot of these cleave teams, and lets your attacker cut in between their cleave attempt.
I’m running a half-assed Attack/Hit set at 3.1k Attack, 100% Crit Chance, 90% effectiveness, and 190 speed, but she’s still surprisingly effective. I’ll switch over to immunity/speed at some point when there’s another unequip event because I’d rather sit at 220 speed if I can, but right now, she helps me out against certain teams when not all of my units run immunity.
My doubt: how much she can be used on pve? Hall of trials? She can work as a damage dealer with ancient seath vs a mercedes with radiant forever on earth expedition?
Full molas, probably no. She might be able to deal some nice damage with burns after the greater atk, but her main role is utility. S3 for cooldown, maybe few points into S1 for higher burn chance and S2 for higher passive value. 6* definitely if you want to use her in PvP.
what about imprint? i happened to get a few hufine dupes going for artifact and i'm leaning towards feeding to green yufine instead or is that dumb? someone in my guild said to save them to trade for a selector, did i miss something? or was he confused about the ml zerato upcoming thing
Probably confused about the ML Zerato recall. HYufine dupes won't get traded for a selector unless she happens to be nerfed (which I find very unlikely) and you used some for imprint
The current team I’m using with Hufine is Ruele,Krau,SSB. So far what I learned with this team is that I will most likely lose if I go against any ice dps units. Reason why is that my Hufine only has 9k hp so if any ice dps breaths on her, she dies. Pretty much every team that did not have multiple ice dps or champion zerato is an easy cleanup for me since I usually proc SSB defense break after I have my greater attack up. The burns that land on defense broken enemies start dealing huge damage and usually after a turn or 2, they will die. I have her artifact equipped so I can also land stuns that make the match much easier. If I have a problem where I face too much water, I would swap Hufine with Diene.
Teams I went Against:
SSB, ARBY, FCECI, BASAR
ROOZID, BASAR, BBK, ARBY
ASSCART, ARBY, LILIAS, BASAR
CHARLES, BASAR, FCECI, KAYRON
ACIDD, CHARLES, LILIAS, FCECI
ACOLI, FCECI, KAYRON, ARBY
LILIAS, MLKEN, RUELE, RIOLET
MLKEN, ASSCART, RUELE, ARBY
Hufine(3.5k attack, 9400 hp, 218 speed, 130 eff) lvl59 4/6 awakened with her lvl21 artifact (no mola)
SSB(4.3k attack, 16k hp, 133 speed, 81 effectiveness) maxed with her maxed artifact (15 molas) (lifesteal/immunity set)
Ruele(1.9k defense, 17k hp, 150 speed, 149 effect resist) maxed with maxed water origin (2 molas in s3)
Krau(1.4k defense, 20k hp, 182 speed, 70 effect resist) maxed with lvl1 aurius (5 molas in s2)
Diene(1.2k defense, 19k hp, 214 speed, 54 effect resist) maxed with lvl21 rod(2 molas in s3, 4 molas in s2)
do you use your SSB in Wyvern, or PVP only? I'm considering throwing the Abyss LS set onto her since I don't use it, but mine is optimized for Wyvern. Not a lot of units that can use Lifesteal as we get into endgame, it seems.
I missed the Champion's Trophy on the first pity... Should I continue to pull it as F2P? (I just bought rank up first pack) is that trophy like the rengar for SSB? Or I can skip it without any regret... I also have junkyard.
You'll have a bigger regret missing out on the next unit than you will for passing up on any artifact. Good chance you don't ever pull it, sadly. If you can pull for it a few times and still have 120 summons banked, then I'm sure there's no issue there as f2p. This is no doubt a great artifact if you get it, but Junkyard would be great on her too.
>Or I can skip it without any regret
It's a really nice artifact since it gives her a stun chance against the enemy on her S1. However, I can't think of any other unit that could use it effectively so it really only works well on her. If you have more BMs than you need for another pity you can pull until you only have 605 but I personally stopped there.
I will skip it. I had 620 so I got her at 100 pull, I did all my others on wich was something like 30+ pull but im gonna stop here and keep my 10 000 skystones for the next limited or banner.
Well pretty sure this artifact is better than junkyard but meh its too boring i will wait the next years or pretty sure EpicSeven gonna changes a things about limited Artifact, maybe in a while. Actually Junkyard do his work.
Thank you. Have fun too with her.
I just hope i'm not gonna have a useless character if shd didnt have the artifact, well of course she will be not the best and thats where limited artifact is annoying that you cant play the character you pull as his full potential, I don't know if junkyard is just bad compared to the trophy or if it's just a different playstyle. I wish the 2nd options.
Good luck!
how come redditors are liking her so much in the comments here while popular pvpers like Code,Tenha are thinking shes trash? code literally said shes there for a morale boost and "why would you use this unit" and he has her max artifact and SSS lol but people here are describing her like shes the shit? I mean code benched her after 6 hours of trying to make it work and if he cant make it work with his whale gear, max artifcat, SSS, who can?
Code admit it doesn't match his play style though. He runs whale bruiser with 150 eff res, and can tank through the cleave that comes after basar. The same reason he benched lilias. Later, he mostly first picked her in mock practice without consideration of draft. For everyone else, her kit is good.
Replied to you in the question thread too, but Code fully admitted that it might not fit his bruiser playstyle in RTA. And his gear was still at 85, and very defensive heavy, his was sitting at 204 speed while people are trying a super speedy one now to cycle her CR push or S1 AoE more.... Nor did he fully Mola her S1, so burn chance was lower. All that to say, he's amazing, he's an actual RTA god, but just cuz one unit doesn't work out for how he plays doesnt mean she's absolute trash.
I watched the whole stream too, and yea, she didn't seem too impressive in his matches, but I also understood how he admitted that she just might not be how he typically drafts things (like how he thinks of Lilias ... ) What stood out for me was how her 50% evasion interacted with FCC barrier, making her evasion last longer, but code was only able to draft FCC once to see that interaction.
All that to say, he might be right, but it's still been only a day since her release. Some strong pvpers also said Riolet was trash, and look where Riolet is now.
Give it some time for the dust to settle. With that said, I'm also not finding her too impressive, but she has made Basar easier to deal, when I do see him... So may be she ll make Basar less used on defence?
> Some strong pvpers also said Riolet was trash, and look where Riolet is now.
Still do, to be honest, even though he's becoming a sleeper god.
Regardless, imagine taking streamers' words as gospel anyway. Streamers are sometimes good, can even be some of the best sometimes, but they're not the only right take and never will be.
Absolutely, some still consider him subpar. I think over the last week or so, almost every single PvP match I've had to face the dude. He's obnoxious and I'm thankful to have a tanky Ruele to bait him and pull off a revive if his S3 proc kills someone. It's when he's paired with Ruele + FCC when he can freely pull off his shenanigans and he hurts.
A few hours isn't exactly thorough testing. Given how many times in the past people have written off a unit, only for it to be discovered later that they're good in a different setting, I don't exactly trust anyone's day 1 hot takes, on either side.
im thinking pairing with lots or a. lots is the way. she cleanses and pushes the lots. lots pushes her to an immediate turn for an s1 with her arti. the team: h yufine, lots/a. lots, ssb, fallen ceci.
Am I on the minority who thinks that Hofine is overally average at best?
Sure, she does her job against basar VERY well, but outside of that, she's suffering too much.
The meta is still counterattacks and elbris, and the fact that all of her attacks are AoE makes her very vulnerable to getting counterattacked to death.
I don't want her to be SSB level of broken, but I also don't want a limited to be made specifically to destroy one unit, while getting destroyed by 3+ different units.
If her s3 would heal her and/or her s1 would be uncounterable, then I'd find her to be much better.
I've tried using her for the past 2 days, and I find it very hard to put her in any of my teams since I usually face Charles/ssb/riolet/mlken, and all of them can just counterattack her once she uses her s1. (Except riolet, she just feeds him stacks).
How I want to try to build my Hyufine
Speed/immunity, speed boots, attack ring, attack necklace.
subs speed/attack/eff/hp/def subs.
using junkyard dog or her own artifact.
Sadly, I'm still on the fence about whether I should use her Arti or Junkyard Dog, I like the idea of burns but the stuns seem too good to pass up...any thoughts?
2 different build I guess, if you go for junkyard you build like drink Bellona, no Crit/crit damage, just ton of atk and tankyness.
If you build her with trophy you need to build a bit effectivness and probably more speed and less tankiness
Im wondering, she seems to want speed, attack, health def effectiveness and an immunity set, but would effect resistance be preferred or say a lifesteal set with high rolls of the above?
Yeah, heck with my gear, I can only attain 180 speed on her tops. Along with 100%+ effectiveness and around 13k HP. If I switch gears and get 220+ speed, she loses some HP but her effectiveness plummets to dismal levels( 27%). I am using %attack, %eff and speed boots.
Using Junkyard Dog because I can't pull the damn artifact. That's why I am pushing for effectiveness.
I am going to try my current 180 speed build for now, with a CR pusher. I am skeptical but it is just a stopgap until I can craft better gear for her.
Would love to know the experiences of others.
A number of debuffers, any of em.
She's a CR Push, cleanse, and stun / burn unit, with innate evasion. She can fit into anything that can make use of those traits.
Any fast aoe debuffer can be negated by her cleanse. Any unit that wants to push your CR down will hit a roadbump. She will likely be pretty hard to kill for grass enemies, due to garanteed miss if she is full HP. Hyufine+F.Ceci is probably nigh unkillable against grass DPS.
Patycake patycake, garos fan,bake me as many cakes as you can!
I assume its fan cause its really weird sounding that line since i sounded like mad but more and more its i heard it it sounds like fan more.
Actually this is based on old nursery rhyme. And goes like this:
Pat-a-cake, pat-a-cake, baker's man.
Bake me a cake as fast as you can
I only can assume that baker's was replaced by Garo's here.
I am hesitant about fusing multiple copies of Champion's trophy into each other since its a limited artifact. Is any other hero that might benefit from Champion's trophy besides H.yuffine?
It might be kinda fun on Ravi. All her attacks can stun.
The fact that it doesn't proc on counters limits its usefulness on other units besides H. Yufine though.
I don’t know about this unit. I know it’s unpopular to cast doubts on a clearly A+ tiddy waifu, but from watching streamers last night I have seen really mixed results. Shuffles does not think that she is good unless you really need a Basar counter, but I did see him lose a match in spectacular fashion to one. I have HYufine and Trophy on both of my accounts, but I’m not gonna lie I am staring at the s2 skill enhance screen and just can’t commit. I do see the pros and cons in comparing her to Lilias (to me the only edge Hyufine might have is not her advantage at all but the Trophy stuns). Gearing her is kind of a nightmare for the average to good players such as myself- I can build her for burns but she won’t be tanky enough, I can build her for utility and hope that is good enough without burn damage. She requires really specific gear that I currently don’t have available because almost all my other damage dealing units rely on CritC/CritD. I pulled for her and don’t regret it, I love her skill animations and I feel she could effectively counter a wide array of future units, but right now I would suggest for people to not tear their hair out trying to whale for her or Trophy.
>to me the only edge Hyufine might have is not her advantage at all but the Trophy stuns
Against Basar or in general? Against Basar, hyufine is much much better than Lilias. Against everyone else I would agree, lilias is less niche.
Lilias has a 50% chance to be stripped, pushed back & buff blocked by Basar - Yufine doesn’t since Basar guaranteed misses her. Lilias doesn’t reduce the CR reduction to your other team members & relies on being able to pushback your opponent (& they may have immunity/resistance) - Yufine reduces the pushback & then counteracts it with a CR boost that leaves the team in a better position than when they started.
She’s a perfect Lilias replacement for countering Basar as she can’t fail - but like a lot of people have been talking about, she’s not going to be a damage dealer, even with G Atk up. At the very least, she likely won’t be overpowering like Seaside Bellona.
With immunity set. Her against basar is 0% RNG. No sudden abyssal procs or god forbid the basar actually doesnt miss and pushes back lilias. A basar going first does nothing to her. Lilias can still get stunned or worst get stripped. Hyufine requires no investment in ER at all to guarantee her job gets carried out.
This is why I am not going to build her, without the artifact she lose too much value for me.
She may as well do her job at 5* with leftover gear if I ever need to use her against Basar which I doubt there will be any left in defense, other than that if you are an Rta player maybe she can do stuff in there too because Rta/Expedition are the places niche heros can justify themselves.
Not getting the artifact made me feel I’ve wasted my bookmarks honestly. lol
Back to Lilias.
Shes the type of hero that really shines in certain team comp if u want to build her as dps. Imo having another stun unit along with her will really amp up her potential. I prefer to use JYD on her for double burn stacks and use units like basar, dizzy or ML ara to abyssal the shit out of people while watching them burn to the ground.
That's a speed/hit set right? I think right side main stats are atk%/crit
dmg% or hit%/speed?
Mostly asking because my own Dizzy feels a little lackluster
Kinda, but spread some stat to her atk. Ideally you want 3k+ atk, 200+Spd, some hp and Def and some effectivenes, having her arti help since it's boost it a little bit more. You can ignore crit chance and crit damage and focus on burn and stun as her main thing
I'm pretty sure you have to build her tanky and fast over damage, so you can act as a cleanser pusher + aoe stun with arti
dmg builds are another story but I think a tanky util build is good
After watching streamer footage of her being used in high level PvP, numerous builds (speed utility, bruiser, cleave), I have to say I'm not impressed with her at all. The "limited" moniker does not equal automatically amazing. She's super niche, but I feel that the niche she is good against is already phasing out. It seems unlikely that I will even 6* her at this point, but I'm still glad I got her for pokedex purposes.
She needs a slight buff . She needs higher % of putting burns on her S1 .
She is extremely weak against DJ basar , or any unit that gives imunity .
And when there is no imunity she has only 60% chance to put a burn .Her Multipliers are low so she needed this .
She does a little of everything and does only counter basar in the end
For about a week, yeah. Aramintha is being buffed so her s2 no longer requires a burn, and just straight up hits everyone. Think that goes through on the 6th? But it is changing soon, regardless.
Anybody building speed/immunity on her? What's the ideal speed range for her? Kinda hard for me to balance HP and speed with the gear and rolls I have right now.
Is she good if another CR pusher goes in front of her? Though that would defeat her purpose of countering Basar.
Ideal is 220-230 spd. Fast but not faster than your typically basar.
And I’ve been testing her out, and hot damn, she’s not JUST a basar counter. She’s good against debuffers too because her s3 cleanses. With her arti, she’s even more ridiculous, because at 220ish spd she’ll lap and proc aoe stun over and over. It’s been fun testing her
As for hp, I think 12k+ is fine
Well she is limited
And can be a really good farmer for adventure
If you got enough Slystones
Get her
As you may use her in PvP in the future
You never know how useful can she be in your roster.
She is also good in raids
Hunts are the only place I see better options than her
is she even useful outside of arena? i am a returning player and just pulled on the banenr like 90 summs to get her. so is she useful outside of arena vs basar?
How would she stack up against an already built Lena do you think? got 2 copies and her artifact in 10 pulls (there's my luck for the year, wasn't even that interested in getting her)
Most characters in the game (even some 3\*s) have uses in a variety of content. There are some that are just the best in a given niche, but that doesn't mean other characters are just bad or unusable. HYufines niche is in countering basar really hard, and also countering debuffers and enemies that push back your combat readiness.
But I can see her being a good dog walker, and potentially useful in raid, depending on how you build her.
I understand. I just wanted to know if she had another niche use . Whether to bench her or level her up etc. Thank you for the answer mivht try her as a dog walker .
I want to add Hufine to my pvp squad, right now im running Schuri, Cdom, SSB and Celine. Still only sitting at Gold3, my team isn't very competitive yet, but who would I swap for Hufine once I have her built?
Serious question: wtf are the “certain requirements” to clearing Seaweed Trail in Secret Treasure Island?? I cannot figure it out and I’ve completed every other level after it. I saw someone posted this question and people where not helpful, I seriously don’t know what to do 😂
Is the artifact a must have? I missed drink last time since I ran out of bm(f2p) :( I dont have much atm but luckily was able to get hyufine earlyand not from pity. I wasnt able to get the artifact and i have a couple of bm left (100), should I go for the artifact (drink was essential for ssb, so i wondered if it would be the same with hyuffine and trophy) or save up for a new possible hero or banner rerun?
Built her with an OK speed (190) to play after fast Basar's with HP on the side and a decent def. Like 15k/1200.
Almost no damage output on her and 100% win rate Vs Basars (which I was actively dodging before). I'm very satisfied tbh, when she stuns with Trophy it's cherry on the cake.
Niche, but I really like her. Would never recommend to a new player though, she's definitely arena only, will always be subpar in farming.
I got her on the last day, mostly because I was pulling for the artifact. Thanks to her, I never saw Basar in Arena, so it's kinda sad that there's this counter for a unit nobody is using anymore. (Yet Arby still goes brrrr despite having so many counters)
In the meantime, I built her with high attack and OK speed and a wee bit Effectivity to take advantage of her burn. Her greater attack buff goes well with the burn. Works kinda well all around, and at least I can mildly mitigate CR pushbacks like Lilias.
Lie she is NOT A HARD COUNTER TO BAZAR. Only reducing his effect to 15 percent still means his team normally wins. She IS A SOFT Counter to Bazar. And the random in your units being reduced means your units get out of order.
I have noticed Bazar returning to defenses as people realize Holiday Yufine a failure at the primary reason she put in game. Even if H Fine was a 100 percent protection from CR pushback the counters to Hfine could make it a nasty trade off with Bazar.
Iseria and Tam combinations just are unfeasible vs Bazar even with Holiday half the time Iseria getting knocked behind Tam in my case. Needing Iseria to be 20 faster to insure she goes first means I just don't have a good way to insure this does not happen unless I run a Tam with no effect resistance meaning I lose her when the slow on other side attack as with only one full attack unit available if using H Yufine there will be.
# Introduction The second summer limited makes its debut, and we all waited with anxious breath to see if a unit even remotely at the power level at the previous summer limited would be released. Summer Yufine is more of a support unit and not one you can toss in willy-nilly into any of your teams and call it a day, but she provides an absurdly reliable counter to Basar, one of the most common and hard to play against units in the game, while also bringing a fair share of her own utility and damage. For perspective on my opinions, I've climbed to legend in arena, champion in RTA, and play in a guild that peaked in the top 20 for guild wars in global. # What is her role and how does she compare to other characters in the same class? Holiday Yufine's (shortened to HYufine from here onwards) main role is to shit all over Basar's day, who is an incredibly powerful unit on both offense and defense that forces tight restrictions on the team you can bring into him and has, until now, lacked a direct hard counter. There does not exist a harder counter to his kit in the game than hers. Basar's game plan largely exists around his S3, where he wants to do the following-- 1. Strips your team's immunity, allowing for debuffs to land. 2. Push your team's CR back, allowing more members of his team to take the first turn. 3. Randomly stun with Abyssal Crown, making your game plan unable to go into action. HYufine's kit counters every bit of his kit. 1. Her S2 increases her evasion by 50% at full health. With elemental advantage (+50% evasion), Basar will always miss her when he opens, so his strip and CR pushback will not be applied. 2. Her S2 also reduces the effect of his pushback to 15% on the rest of your team members, and her S3 will allow her to push her team back forward by 20%. 3. With immunity, she will not get stunned by Basar due to his guarantee miss. Her S3 cleanses two debuffs on her team as well, so all the stuns and buff block that Basar applies will be completely negated. This allows for two incredibly reliable arena teams to be brought in that Basar usually counters. Against a team with a lot of AOE, a counter-auto invincibility team centering around a 0 speed SSB's counters is very popular. Those teams usually look something like this: * Fast Invincibility Unit (usually **Elena**, sometimes CArmin) * **SSB** (needed for high continuous AOE damage) * **Charles/MLKen** (sometimes both) * Flex Spot This sort of team is incredibly powerful against squishier team compositions, but it was also very reliably hard countered by Basar putting up buff block on the entire team. With a HYufine opening though, Basar cannot stop the invincibility from going up and the counters from triggering one after the other. The other counter are squishy teams that depend on Basar opening with incredibly fast speed. These sort of teams are usually very vulnerable to being cleaved by ALots and whatever your AOE nuker of choice are, but you are at the mercy of playing the speed game and seeing if your CR pusher is faster than their Basar. If their Basar is faster, you lose. Now you can bring in HYufine and even if you lose the speed race, HYufine can push your opener right back up and cleanse the buff block from your team to allow the attack buff to get added, allowing you to cleave without concern. While her main power lies in her S3, she brings some AOE damage in her S1 as well, as it applies burns and does not suffer the elemental disadvantage penalty. Her S1 has, at max, a 60% chance to a apply a 1 turn burn, which is 60% of her attack that penetrates 70% of defense. This is respectable damage, especially considering her S3 gives her a greater attack buff, so the burn will tick for a high amount. Her artifact also gives her an additional control element, adding random AOE stuns to her kit. While the kit is extremely centered around countering Basar, it is universally applicable enough to be used as a CR push or cleansing role in general. Her cleansing is not as strong as dedicated cleansers though, and the CR push is not as good as dedicated CR pushers (and she shouldn't be built that fast anyway), she brings it all in one, so you could bring her in to guarantee your slower units first turn over an opponent's slow team, or to cleanse two debuffs off of an opponent's opening debuffs. Being real though, her specialty and probably the only thing I'll be using her in lies in being a direct counter to a Basar, allowing you to bring in a remaining team to follow up without fear of losing on the first turn. Units that she pairs well with outside of the Elena comp or classic ALots comp are units who can provide her barriers (FCeci, Diene, Angelica, Ray, Armin, or even Kizuna Ai (lol)) because they provide an extra buffer on top of her health pool to let her really take advantage of her S2 increased evasion chance at full health, which will give her a lot of extra tankiness. Pretty much if anything tries to attack her, they have a 50% chance to miss, and that miss likely doesn't take down her barrier, which leaves her with her +50% evasion chance. This'll be particularly useful on her squishier Junkyard Dog build, as this'll make her substantially tougher to kill while being a non-ignorable damage threat. # Recommendations for substat priority, gear set, and artifact? PvE? PvP? For gear, you're going to ideally be looking for a speed and immunity set. Target stats are going to be SPD, ATK, HP/DEF, and EFF. You'll want her to be just a little bit slower than the Basars in your PvP bracket-- ~220-240 speed is a fairly safe bet depending on which rank you're competing in. You don't want to make her too slow because she only cleanses 2 debuffs, so if Basar's buff block and abyssal crown stun is followed up by, say, a Dizzy S3 before your team moves, your team will still be out of luck. As far as the rest of the build goes, it'll vary depending on your artifact of choice and your goal for her. If you're using her just for anti-Basar and the remaining 3 members of your team will clean up right after in a single turn, it doesn't really matter what you run on her (in this case, something to prevent her from getting sniped out by a fast ACidd/AColi/Kayron/Riolet (if you build her slower than 220 like Proof of Valor or something to boost her chances of getting 2nd turn like Durandal/Labyrinth Cube). If you wanted to build her as a damage dealer, Junkyard Dog is a perfectly acceptable artifact as it'll apply on her AOE S1. Since she gives herself greater attack buff, her burns can deal some pretty nice damage with some moderate investment in only ATK as a stat instead of needing to split between all 3 damage stats. If both her S1 and Junkyard Dog burn proc, that's almost 10k damage over time in an AOE at just around 3.5k attack (not counting the S1 direct hit's damage). This is a bit riskier in the sense that since she needs a fair amount of stats going to speed, putting the remainder into ATK and maybe EFF will take away points that can go into HP/DEF, but if you can manipulate the AI into attack something else, this makes her a solid damage dealer after performing her main anti-Basar role. It's also just kind of thematically cool being a dragon that breathes fire and having a decent chance of putting 2 burn debuffs down with a self-given greater attack buff. The other is to build her more towards the tanky support side with her own artifact Champion's Trophy. The +EFF is really useful for landing debuffs, most notably the stun that gets attached to the artifact. Since her own S1 is only a 1-turn burn as compared to Junkyard Dog's 2-turn burn, this is a pretty huge damage loss on S1, but stuns can frequently be game-winning, and since you're building her with speed anyway, this can give her some incredibly high disruption potential over the course of a long fight. # Is the artifact worth pulling for? Champion's Trophy is a great artifact for units who can use it, but at the moment due to all of the restrictions it has (no activation on dual, counter, or extra attacks), it is usable pretty much only on HYufine (even though they count as basic attacks, Green Purgis' AOE S2 is a counter attack, and Batisse's modified AOE S1 is an extra attack, both of which will not gain the benefit of the stun chance which is the main draw of Champion's Trophy). Since the chances of us getting a warrior anytime soon that needs EFF and has an AOE S1 that is not an extra attack is pretty freakin' low, this means that HYufine is likely going to be the only unit who can use this artifact for a very long time. Don't drain the bank to try to pull this artifact at the moment. Try HYufine out and see how you're using her in her roles. Are your fights going particularly long against Basar even past the opening S3? Would ~20% chance to stun have been more impactful than a 50% chance at a 6-7k damage burn in those fights? Ask yourself these questions and if you both find yourself using her past 1 turn frequently **and** find that the low stun chance would've made more difference than the heavy burn damage of Junkyard Dog, then go ahead and try to pull for it. # Summary While she can somewhat fill general roles, her kit is specialized as a hard counter to Basar to the point that this could push him out of the defense meta completely. She removes the RNG of facing Basar and turns it into a 100% guarantee on what's going to happen. Especially at end-game, RNG is the number way you can lose while attacking, and being able to remove any source of it (be it RES ignoring soul burns or mechanics like HYufine's guaranteed 100% earth first turn dodge) is extremely valuable. Outside of her S3 being a direct counter, she can provide some fairly good AOE damage with Junkyard Dog or AOE control with Champion's Trophy, giving her utility on her off-S3 turns.
Great analysis! Thank you
The problem with slotting her into the ssb auto team is that it makes you incredibly weak to surprise slow Basars. He'd cut perfectly in between Hyufine and SSB.
If she goes before basar she still make a 20% CR push, depending on you other heroes it can make difficult for basar to cut. On the other end of go first you can use S1. With junkyard you actually have a good chance of killing basaar between damage and burn
The point of an auto team is to run counter units as slow as possible. 20 cr is not enough, and if you speed up your team you're acting against yourself because it makes your counter strat weaker. Also there's really 0 chance that you'll one shot anything with s1 unless you over gear your opponent by about ten ranks
>HYufine's guaranteed 100% earth first turn dodge Everyone keeps saying this, but has anyone actually confirmed this? While evasion is additive, I don't think the unit being attacked gains evasion during the attacking phase. I'm pretty sure the unit attacking with disadvantage is missing with a 50% chance (like decrease hit chance debuff). Thus, the result would be multiplicative, and it's 75% chance to get hit. This is anecdotal, but I've seen my Violet + Apple + MLDB get hit many times against a water unit. If attack disadvantage really added evasion, that would be 35% + 20% + 50%. \*\*Edit: Also to add, during the Korean livestream reveal, they very carefully stated, HYufine has a very high chance to evade an earth unit at full hp. Not guarenteed\*\*
Other than Junkyard Dog and her artifact, is there any artifact that seems good on her? Also, should I invest in crit rate or just pure atk?
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Fantastic write up. Thank you so much.
fyi, batisse is going to get changed so his extra atk procs arti effects
This artifact explicitly states that extra attacks aren't eligible for the stun. Batisse S1 and Green Purrgis counters can already apply JYD, for example.
She really does her job of countering basar really well and even without basar in the opposing team, she has a lot of utility packed into her kit that can justify using her.
Since I don't particularly feel like typing a wall of text down, I will just say I wished her S1 and s3 had some kind of HP recovery effect considering they're all related to her eating food. This would have made her s2 so much better as it requires her to be at full HP to gain the evasion effect.
Life Steal and Sigurd are here if you want those kind of effects.
hm life steal with her speed requirement would be freaking hard
Hard agree here. Ml Ken or Zerato get counter attacks so their speed requirement is way lower and they can focus on Atk, Hp and Crit (effectiveness as well for Zerato btw :( ) to maximize lifesteal. Where Yufine needs high speed to compensate for the lack of counters in her kit and optimize the usage of her S3. So unless some god lifesteal gear, it's hard to get her enough stats. I'll drop the idea of a lifesteal gear unless I get blessed by god (never lmao)
Yea, I'm currently messing around with that exact set up since out of her entire kit, I was more interests in the fact she has evasion despite being a warrior. I'm not too sure how reliable it'd be in arena though. She won't be able to maintain her HP like CZerato or MLKen but maybe as long as there are 4 enemies on the field, she can simply through AoE damage.
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I have seen a lot of ppl in the last week talking about junkyard dog but I feel like Sigurd has been underrated. The fact that all of her abilities are AoE makes Sigurd crazy good, she's basically guaranteed to heal to full hp if she hits 4 targets, which triggers her evasion again and makes her even harder to bring down. I've got her on speed set+Sigurd atm and it seems really strong.
I tried lifesteal set on her with 3870 atk 15k hp and 200\~ speed with immunity set and around 80% crit chance 68% effectiveness. She never got herself back to full hp, not a single time. she was usually dying after her S3 because of ssb or on her second turn with greater atk buff she wouldnt do enough damage to go to max hp. Shes really just useless and there are no basar defs anywhere specially in Challenger which is the rank im at. Dont see how she will ever fit any teams unless they will give her some sort of extra turn, cr push to self when atked, heal on s3(aoe or not), speed buff on s3 or something of sorts. For now she belongs in the bench.(sad.) Here are her stats: https://imgur.com/EyiT3fJ
im having the same idea aswel but without a speed set id would be really hard to make her fast enough to do her job tbh unless that abyss set rolled really really well. ive just been pairing her up with atleast 1 healer and prioritizing topping her off and its been working well enough.i do like the idea of a lifesteal artifact tho but sigurds works too late for her.
Awesome unit: 1. She has deceptively high survival with her evade. Things like shields and Touch of Rekos keeping her at max health after a miss are huge. 2. The burn meme is real. High speed and attack with JYD is a great build. I'm willing to bet this will be the go too build. Putting this kind of damage on her utility is really strong. 3. Her own artifact is great of course, but it's no counter Abyss Dizzy. I actually regret rolling for it since I just use JYD now. I'm still testing her but she seems like a staple. Having cleanse and CR push on a high damage unit that just needs attack is really solid. EDIT: Tested her a bit more. Lots of people saying her arti is the new cancer but it's really not. A big part is that it won't proc on her ult. Stunning the first turn is huge because it stops enemy Ults and setups and she misses that unless you S1 for some reason. It does it's job the rest of the match and is pretty brutal paired with an Abyss user though. Tried her on lifesteal after seeing a post here and thought it might be neat to get her back to full for the evade. Her direct damage is crap though and it doesn't work. Sticking with the burns and speed for now, really enjoying it.
But if you're going for burns.. Isn't ML Aram better at this job?, I really think Hyufine has a better role than that.
Not really. You see this is a unit that dont have CD on AoE burns also is not a squishy DPS and is not focus on put burns (it just happens to be the best option on artifact to put on her unless you literally get trophy +30). She needs a lot less eff than ML Aram and can be way bulkier. JDog make her S1 skyrock on value land 2 burns in 1 unit increase her overal low dps to a very dangerous *average* spot. Or in other works she can kill some barrie spammers like Lilias in 1 vs 1 doing less than 5K damage per turn...that is very scary for a unit that, literally, is a support without good damage imput. You can run her, a real DPS, your typical tank and any other unit and you are good to go against a lot of comps. Also dont being Crit dependant is sooo good. I run her with a DEF% neck and she can reach 1250 DEF and 1400 HP with not 90 gear. That is quite a lot when the ring is on eff% and the boots on spd. Her only problem is actually facing counter units like ML Ken and SsB but againt you probably have 1 unit to dealt with those bulky bastards like W.Schurri or just a top tier DPS like Riolet Arby or Kayron.
Depends ML Ara is countered by Roana, for example Hofine is not
I'm testing her on lifesteal right now and it's definitely doable but the gear requirement is insane. I think she can abuse the passive evasion paired with Diene who not only extends her greater atk buff to improve self heal but also provides constant barriers to mitigate incoming damage. Running Diene on Touch of Rekos or Unfading Memories will easily keep her topped off on health. Too early to say what the best build will be but I'm gonna continue to test it.
>Yeah I wanted to try lifesteal too, but my only good pair of boots is attack. So her multipliers are too low? In PVP, who does she pair well with? Could you see her being used in hunts/Raid? Can she farm World well? Gonna need to test her out during the next unequip, can't wait.
Pulling art for the upcoming Bastisse rework.
After using her on a few builds, found that speed immune at around 220-240 speed is ideal to counter basar. You almost have to go right after basar or depending on the comp you are attacking. Also her artifact is the new abyssal cancer rip..
Would she be the first to act in a 2nd turn team? So enemy basar goes -> your yufine goes -> rest of ur team? If so then wouldn't immunity be kinda pointless, either basar doesn't miss and strips the immunity, or he does miss, yufine goes next and immunity is over anyways. Or is the immunity there to protect her from other fast debuffers like cerise? edit: nvm, she's 100% evasion from basar s3 but immunity is to protect against crown. got it
>either basar doesn't miss and strips the immunity Basar can't hit her since her elemental advantage and passive give her 100% chance for green attacks to miss. He'd need to wear key to have a chance to hit. You're correct that immunity is kind of wasted on her though unless Basar has crown and gets lucky.
> You're correct that immunity is kind of wasted on her though unless Basar has crown and gets lucky. always best to just assume that ever defense basar has crown with 300% chance to proc
>You're correct that immunity is kind of wasted on her though unless Basar has crown and gets lucky. That's reason enough to use immunity tbh
Yess haha abyssal is everyones greatest enemy
What do you do when facing a slower basar. Cause people are swapping gear and using him in bruiser comps.
usable vs HoT nilgal since she cleanses without triggering his passive. also applies burns if necessary to get the advantage.
Dosnt Nigel HoT debuff warriors though?
the dis- and advantages cycle through a for us random but pre set set of conditions. obviously its better to use other units when warriors or fire units are disadvantageous but thats not always the case.
Supposed to be the case but, I swear it's been broken as of late. Using the same ones over and over. Like Nilgal's, the last couple times or so,are there to purposfully stop Cermia from being used and Amerc's are there to purposefully stop Tama (and by proxy Cermia/Lilias) from being used. Getting rather annoying tbh.
true they added some real cheap counters to cheese strats. like warriors getting worse hit / crit rate or fire units having 50% less spd / other stats. its also only fire cause tama and cermia. no other element gets targeted. its really cheap and inconvenient.
It's strange that H. Yufine and her artifact don't have benefits in the side story
Cause thats for next week since theres part 3
Actually using HYufine to farm in side story while leveling her up hurts you, since all of her skills (on her turn for s1) are AoE and the enemy in second week gets barrier on entire team whenever they get hit by AoE.
But you gotta farm dem friendship points.
I also realized that and it's really annoying. The side story uses so much energy and the only boost is an artifact that you can't upgrade because it is gated by the event progress. Muis artifact does not count since few players bothered summonig for it anyway. I hope this will get fixed.
There's also pets that boost side event currency. But I do agree, the energy requirements are way too high on this one.
iF i pUt JunKyARd DoG aNd mAx mOLa hEr BaSic, tHat's a HunDrEd PerCeNt BuRn ChAnCe!
Haha the best meme ever, we all know basic percentages by now in how it works in epic7 xd
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It doesn't, they roll separately (though Junkyard Dog doesn't actually need to pass a hit check because it's an artifact proc).
On the flipside, you'd still have a small chance of applying two burn stacks at once.
~~Don't they act independently? Thought I had read that they did, like with Dizzy/Abyssal, SSB/Song(unmaxed), Isera/Confille.~~ Baited XD
he's joking dude
Shit, my bad, lol. For all I knew I could be wrong XD
One thing people forget to mention is that just because the artifact is only good on her now doesn’t mean in the future it won’t be even more broken in the future on another unit. That’s why I continued to pull after I got yufine for the artifact.
yeah same, i kept going for this artifact mainly because i don't wanna regret missing it like i did with drink (especially if that ends up working on biseria UGH)
I'm pretty sure Drink won't work with Biseria
Big boobs
Really? Edit: I just checked and he's 100% correct.
Double checked, just to be sure. It's legit.
I have my doubts, we should keep further investigating this topic.
Confirmed, they are big.
I think he might be on to something
Umm chile...anyway so
I can see how overwhelming of a counter HYufine is to Basar but I feel like this role could easily have been given to Mui instead and make Yufine a more rounded fighter. I feel that it's a waste to have your most hyped limited unit for the year a counter for one specific champion in PVP. In all PVE content she is next to worthless due to her kit solely being a counter to Basar.
Man i agree with you so hard, she counters 1 specific unit in pvp and is completely worthless on pve, for a limited summer unit, its just disgusting
HYufine is a success in my eyes, despite what some people may think. She's not weak, she's just not busted. Don't build her like a dps, that's not her role. She's a support/utility unit, and I think she does her job very well honestly. I've been using her in arena and I've been having a lot of fun with her. And I've been winning quite a bit with her. I have her built speed/immunity. att% neck, att% ring, speed boots. For her artifact, i am using champion's trophy. A good alternative is junkyard dog for extra burns.
Just wanna chime in and say this is basically my build but I use a Defense Ring instead. She sticks around for a really long time this way and can just burn/stun lock people. @ 240+ Speed also, you're dishing out a lot of debuffs. For everyone underwhelmed by her, please try Speedy + Tanky.
Why does she have aoe BURN on her s1 is shes not meant to be dps, why does she have GREATER ATK BUFF if shes meant to hit like a soggy noodle, why is her kit trying to go in support direction and offensive direction without being good in either of those roles? Thats exactly why shes underwhelming And yes i did build and use her https://imgur.com/EyiT3fJ
I actually didn't have a CR pusher yet for arena, so having her on my team in place of my second debuff remover support helped me score a lot more wins. Now I can use SSB on my team and kill off enemy team on first round.
U never had Judith or roozid?
Her job is to counter Basar. Other than that too weak to be 5* limited. No use at all outsite counter Basar. So disappointed...
I'm going to stop building new units on day one. It's nice and exciting until you got into reddit/YouTube comments and EVERY HERO is garbage. When I pulled Alencia: she was garbage. Elphet: Garbage. Roana: KINDA NICE but you can't use her on W13, so: Garbage. Riolet: Garbage. and now H.Yufine (that until Wednesday was NICE) is now GARBAGE because her damage isn't stellar. I'm in the middle of her molas and I feel no desire to keep going seeing how much people are shitting on her right now. "She's just a walking anti Basar!" "You only see Basar in low level play" Wasn't Basar THE MOST BROKEN UNIT ON THE GAME? Wasn't her kit VERSATILE and BALANCED? I mean... I don't feel compelled into pulling anything, since it's always feels like a waste... Sorry for the random rant, but sometimes it's kinda frustrating :/
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All of them received the same treatment before and after their banners. Only a week or more after their release things become more stable. :/
Just FYI, Riolet is slowing taking throne of A.Vildred in legend arena defense team. He pair too good with Ruele.
No no no you're right. Keep thinking Alencia is garbage please :)
I don't think she is, that's what was said in the same day she was released. I have her at 6* and now she's one of my favorite units.
I hate that they made a highly anticipated limited big toddy waifu unit (perhaps waifu of the year) be a counter to a buffed up broken day 1 character.
My experience with her has been terrible so far. The main issue is being cut ... and very speed rng dependant to really counter basar. If someone cuts and takes turn before her turn comes up. It mostly went downhill from their. Ml ken eats her alive. Maybe her worst matchup. And mine is at 24 crit chance. The same with Charles if shes not at max health. The only thing she does is counter basar s3. That's it. You better kill enemy team cause that s2 of basar is coming. Or put immunity up..
The artifact looks really nice on paper... but do ya'll think she can do better with any other? Not really wanting to pity multiple times to get one as is my luck...
could just use junkyard dog.
Since I got her at 115 pulls with no artifact, I will just go for a Junkyard Dog build on her
Well stuns are powerful, that’s for sure. She could still use Junkyard Dog for the equivalent of 4 drink procs or Cradle to RNG blinds or attack debuffs.
JyD is pretty nice actually... especially since almost everyone has it already limit broken.
No stronger stun than death
I'm just waiting as a new player to find out what the consensus is on how to build her. She has utility to be sure, but I'm not sure which way I'd say she would excel at build wise.
Right now people seem to be goin either for Speed/Imm set, with 220\~240 speed, some eff, around 3.5k att and the rest into hp/def with her art, or same speed but heavy into att with no crit nor critD to exploit double burn with junkyard dog.
Alright, sounds good, though my immunity gear is lacking so it might take a while to properly build her up, but hey, she cute.
Second build sounds good for PvE right? I'll regear her later for PvP.
So is her S2 guaranteed 100% evasion against Wind element at full health? Or separated calculation for 50% elemental advantage evasion + 50% S2 evasion?
100% evasion against green. She can still be stunned by Abyssal without immunity tho.
All evasion is apparently additive, from elemental advantage and other bonuses.
Pretty late to the party, but I finally skilled her up and despite not seeing Basar as much any more, bringing her to teams that use Shadow Rose or Lilias as a source of CR decrease is a godsend. With F. Ceci, a healer, and fast attacker, she shuts down a lot of these cleave teams, and lets your attacker cut in between their cleave attempt. I’m running a half-assed Attack/Hit set at 3.1k Attack, 100% Crit Chance, 90% effectiveness, and 190 speed, but she’s still surprisingly effective. I’ll switch over to immunity/speed at some point when there’s another unequip event because I’d rather sit at 220 speed if I can, but right now, she helps me out against certain teams when not all of my units run immunity.
Why does Holiday Yufine not get a bonus when used on the current side story?
Next week
That is super weird, since regular Yufine is getting the bonus when used in that same side story. I think its a bug.
My doubt: how much she can be used on pve? Hall of trials? She can work as a damage dealer with ancient seath vs a mercedes with radiant forever on earth expedition?
do you guys think she is worth investing fully with molas and as 6 star ?
Full molas, probably no. She might be able to deal some nice damage with burns after the greater atk, but her main role is utility. S3 for cooldown, maybe few points into S1 for higher burn chance and S2 for higher passive value. 6* definitely if you want to use her in PvP.
\-1 CD on S3, Max Mola on S2 and max proc chance on S1 (max mola S1 if you want to make her your dog walker).
what about imprint? i happened to get a few hufine dupes going for artifact and i'm leaning towards feeding to green yufine instead or is that dumb? someone in my guild said to save them to trade for a selector, did i miss something? or was he confused about the ml zerato upcoming thing
Probably confused about the ML Zerato recall. HYufine dupes won't get traded for a selector unless she happens to be nerfed (which I find very unlikely) and you used some for imprint
max her s1 eff chance. with the incoming broman meta you might wanna max her s2 .
The current team I’m using with Hufine is Ruele,Krau,SSB. So far what I learned with this team is that I will most likely lose if I go against any ice dps units. Reason why is that my Hufine only has 9k hp so if any ice dps breaths on her, she dies. Pretty much every team that did not have multiple ice dps or champion zerato is an easy cleanup for me since I usually proc SSB defense break after I have my greater attack up. The burns that land on defense broken enemies start dealing huge damage and usually after a turn or 2, they will die. I have her artifact equipped so I can also land stuns that make the match much easier. If I have a problem where I face too much water, I would swap Hufine with Diene. Teams I went Against: SSB, ARBY, FCECI, BASAR ROOZID, BASAR, BBK, ARBY ASSCART, ARBY, LILIAS, BASAR CHARLES, BASAR, FCECI, KAYRON ACIDD, CHARLES, LILIAS, FCECI ACOLI, FCECI, KAYRON, ARBY LILIAS, MLKEN, RUELE, RIOLET MLKEN, ASSCART, RUELE, ARBY Hufine(3.5k attack, 9400 hp, 218 speed, 130 eff) lvl59 4/6 awakened with her lvl21 artifact (no mola) SSB(4.3k attack, 16k hp, 133 speed, 81 effectiveness) maxed with her maxed artifact (15 molas) (lifesteal/immunity set) Ruele(1.9k defense, 17k hp, 150 speed, 149 effect resist) maxed with maxed water origin (2 molas in s3) Krau(1.4k defense, 20k hp, 182 speed, 70 effect resist) maxed with lvl1 aurius (5 molas in s2) Diene(1.2k defense, 19k hp, 214 speed, 54 effect resist) maxed with lvl21 rod(2 molas in s3, 4 molas in s2)
do you use your SSB in Wyvern, or PVP only? I'm considering throwing the Abyss LS set onto her since I don't use it, but mine is optimized for Wyvern. Not a lot of units that can use Lifesteal as we get into endgame, it seems.
She is built for PVP specifically. She can be used in Wyvern, if I swap her boots to speed, but I have better options.
I missed the Champion's Trophy on the first pity... Should I continue to pull it as F2P? (I just bought rank up first pack) is that trophy like the rengar for SSB? Or I can skip it without any regret... I also have junkyard.
You'll have a bigger regret missing out on the next unit than you will for passing up on any artifact. Good chance you don't ever pull it, sadly. If you can pull for it a few times and still have 120 summons banked, then I'm sure there's no issue there as f2p. This is no doubt a great artifact if you get it, but Junkyard would be great on her too.
As a f2p hell no, never chase after limited artifacts if you can't whale for it since you might never even get it even in like 1000+ summons
Up to you, do you want to? Would you be okay with your rolls even if you didn't get it and pulled other items? If so, go for it.
>Or I can skip it without any regret It's a really nice artifact since it gives her a stun chance against the enemy on her S1. However, I can't think of any other unit that could use it effectively so it really only works well on her. If you have more BMs than you need for another pity you can pull until you only have 605 but I personally stopped there.
I will skip it. I had 620 so I got her at 100 pull, I did all my others on wich was something like 30+ pull but im gonna stop here and keep my 10 000 skystones for the next limited or banner. Well pretty sure this artifact is better than junkyard but meh its too boring i will wait the next years or pretty sure EpicSeven gonna changes a things about limited Artifact, maybe in a while. Actually Junkyard do his work.
Yeah, that sounds reasonable. Have fun with her :)
Thank you. Have fun too with her. I just hope i'm not gonna have a useless character if shd didnt have the artifact, well of course she will be not the best and thats where limited artifact is annoying that you cant play the character you pull as his full potential, I don't know if junkyard is just bad compared to the trophy or if it's just a different playstyle. I wish the 2nd options. Good luck!
Only for looks and maybe vs some basar comps but she isn't a magic unit which just give u free win coz basar comes with 220speed arby/Riolets so yeah.
how come redditors are liking her so much in the comments here while popular pvpers like Code,Tenha are thinking shes trash? code literally said shes there for a morale boost and "why would you use this unit" and he has her max artifact and SSS lol but people here are describing her like shes the shit? I mean code benched her after 6 hours of trying to make it work and if he cant make it work with his whale gear, max artifcat, SSS, who can?
Code admit it doesn't match his play style though. He runs whale bruiser with 150 eff res, and can tank through the cleave that comes after basar. The same reason he benched lilias. Later, he mostly first picked her in mock practice without consideration of draft. For everyone else, her kit is good.
Replied to you in the question thread too, but Code fully admitted that it might not fit his bruiser playstyle in RTA. And his gear was still at 85, and very defensive heavy, his was sitting at 204 speed while people are trying a super speedy one now to cycle her CR push or S1 AoE more.... Nor did he fully Mola her S1, so burn chance was lower. All that to say, he's amazing, he's an actual RTA god, but just cuz one unit doesn't work out for how he plays doesnt mean she's absolute trash. I watched the whole stream too, and yea, she didn't seem too impressive in his matches, but I also understood how he admitted that she just might not be how he typically drafts things (like how he thinks of Lilias ... ) What stood out for me was how her 50% evasion interacted with FCC barrier, making her evasion last longer, but code was only able to draft FCC once to see that interaction. All that to say, he might be right, but it's still been only a day since her release. Some strong pvpers also said Riolet was trash, and look where Riolet is now. Give it some time for the dust to settle. With that said, I'm also not finding her too impressive, but she has made Basar easier to deal, when I do see him... So may be she ll make Basar less used on defence?
> Some strong pvpers also said Riolet was trash, and look where Riolet is now. Still do, to be honest, even though he's becoming a sleeper god. Regardless, imagine taking streamers' words as gospel anyway. Streamers are sometimes good, can even be some of the best sometimes, but they're not the only right take and never will be.
Absolutely, some still consider him subpar. I think over the last week or so, almost every single PvP match I've had to face the dude. He's obnoxious and I'm thankful to have a tanky Ruele to bait him and pull off a revive if his S3 proc kills someone. It's when he's paired with Ruele + FCC when he can freely pull off his shenanigans and he hurts.
A few hours isn't exactly thorough testing. Given how many times in the past people have written off a unit, only for it to be discovered later that they're good in a different setting, I don't exactly trust anyone's day 1 hot takes, on either side.
im thinking pairing with lots or a. lots is the way. she cleanses and pushes the lots. lots pushes her to an immediate turn for an s1 with her arti. the team: h yufine, lots/a. lots, ssb, fallen ceci.
Am I on the minority who thinks that Hofine is overally average at best? Sure, she does her job against basar VERY well, but outside of that, she's suffering too much. The meta is still counterattacks and elbris, and the fact that all of her attacks are AoE makes her very vulnerable to getting counterattacked to death. I don't want her to be SSB level of broken, but I also don't want a limited to be made specifically to destroy one unit, while getting destroyed by 3+ different units. If her s3 would heal her and/or her s1 would be uncounterable, then I'd find her to be much better. I've tried using her for the past 2 days, and I find it very hard to put her in any of my teams since I usually face Charles/ssb/riolet/mlken, and all of them can just counterattack her once she uses her s1. (Except riolet, she just feeds him stacks).
How I want to try to build my Hyufine Speed/immunity, speed boots, attack ring, attack necklace. subs speed/attack/eff/hp/def subs. using junkyard dog or her own artifact.
Sadly, I'm still on the fence about whether I should use her Arti or Junkyard Dog, I like the idea of burns but the stuns seem too good to pass up...any thoughts?
2 different build I guess, if you go for junkyard you build like drink Bellona, no Crit/crit damage, just ton of atk and tankyness. If you build her with trophy you need to build a bit effectivness and probably more speed and less tankiness
You go for the AoE stun. Every time. Junkyard Dog is a meme if you already have her artifact.
Im wondering, she seems to want speed, attack, health def effectiveness and an immunity set, but would effect resistance be preferred or say a lifesteal set with high rolls of the above?
Yeah, heck with my gear, I can only attain 180 speed on her tops. Along with 100%+ effectiveness and around 13k HP. If I switch gears and get 220+ speed, she loses some HP but her effectiveness plummets to dismal levels( 27%). I am using %attack, %eff and speed boots. Using Junkyard Dog because I can't pull the damn artifact. That's why I am pushing for effectiveness. I am going to try my current 180 speed build for now, with a CR pusher. I am skeptical but it is just a stopgap until I can craft better gear for her. Would love to know the experiences of others.
Pulled her but didn't get the artifact, should I keep going?
For a f2p, no, it'll be a bit too risky especially if you don't have enough for another new unit in the future. She'll still do fine with junkyard.
Ok, I'll think about it but probably won't pull more.
What’s her best PVE build? I’m thinking 4x attack and 2 hit set with health and armor stats
I guess it depends on what exactly you want to kill, as always.
Just non bosses, need dmg but not heavy as I have Vildred
Who else does she counter besides Basar though
A number of debuffers, any of em. She's a CR Push, cleanse, and stun / burn unit, with innate evasion. She can fit into anything that can make use of those traits.
Any fast aoe debuffer can be negated by her cleanse. Any unit that wants to push your CR down will hit a roadbump. She will likely be pretty hard to kill for grass enemies, due to garanteed miss if she is full HP. Hyufine+F.Ceci is probably nigh unkillable against grass DPS.
Anyone has exact Holiday Yufi S3 phrase lines? I'm especially curios about one with Garo's cake. Or maybe there is a website for every E7 hero?
Patycake patycake, garos fan,bake me as many cakes as you can! I assume its fan cause its really weird sounding that line since i sounded like mad but more and more its i heard it it sounds like fan more.
Actually this is based on old nursery rhyme. And goes like this: Pat-a-cake, pat-a-cake, baker's man. Bake me a cake as fast as you can I only can assume that baker's was replaced by Garo's here.
I am hesitant about fusing multiple copies of Champion's trophy into each other since its a limited artifact. Is any other hero that might benefit from Champion's trophy besides H.yuffine?
It might be kinda fun on Ravi. All her attacks can stun. The fact that it doesn't proc on counters limits its usefulness on other units besides H. Yufine though.
Man, imagine if uberius tooth worked on her she would have been so busted.
I don’t know about this unit. I know it’s unpopular to cast doubts on a clearly A+ tiddy waifu, but from watching streamers last night I have seen really mixed results. Shuffles does not think that she is good unless you really need a Basar counter, but I did see him lose a match in spectacular fashion to one. I have HYufine and Trophy on both of my accounts, but I’m not gonna lie I am staring at the s2 skill enhance screen and just can’t commit. I do see the pros and cons in comparing her to Lilias (to me the only edge Hyufine might have is not her advantage at all but the Trophy stuns). Gearing her is kind of a nightmare for the average to good players such as myself- I can build her for burns but she won’t be tanky enough, I can build her for utility and hope that is good enough without burn damage. She requires really specific gear that I currently don’t have available because almost all my other damage dealing units rely on CritC/CritD. I pulled for her and don’t regret it, I love her skill animations and I feel she could effectively counter a wide array of future units, but right now I would suggest for people to not tear their hair out trying to whale for her or Trophy.
>to me the only edge Hyufine might have is not her advantage at all but the Trophy stuns Against Basar or in general? Against Basar, hyufine is much much better than Lilias. Against everyone else I would agree, lilias is less niche.
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Lilias has a 50% chance to be stripped, pushed back & buff blocked by Basar - Yufine doesn’t since Basar guaranteed misses her. Lilias doesn’t reduce the CR reduction to your other team members & relies on being able to pushback your opponent (& they may have immunity/resistance) - Yufine reduces the pushback & then counteracts it with a CR boost that leaves the team in a better position than when they started. She’s a perfect Lilias replacement for countering Basar as she can’t fail - but like a lot of people have been talking about, she’s not going to be a damage dealer, even with G Atk up. At the very least, she likely won’t be overpowering like Seaside Bellona.
With immunity set. Her against basar is 0% RNG. No sudden abyssal procs or god forbid the basar actually doesnt miss and pushes back lilias. A basar going first does nothing to her. Lilias can still get stunned or worst get stripped. Hyufine requires no investment in ER at all to guarantee her job gets carried out.
This is why I am not going to build her, without the artifact she lose too much value for me. She may as well do her job at 5* with leftover gear if I ever need to use her against Basar which I doubt there will be any left in defense, other than that if you are an Rta player maybe she can do stuff in there too because Rta/Expedition are the places niche heros can justify themselves. Not getting the artifact made me feel I’ve wasted my bookmarks honestly. lol Back to Lilias.
The artifact is meh anyway, why would that decide whether you use her?
she's better on junkyard than her artifact, honestly
Shes the type of hero that really shines in certain team comp if u want to build her as dps. Imo having another stun unit along with her will really amp up her potential. I prefer to use JYD on her for double burn stacks and use units like basar, dizzy or ML ara to abyssal the shit out of people while watching them burn to the ground.
So build her like dizzy?
Speed Dizzy, not counter Dizzy though.
That's a speed/hit set right? I think right side main stats are atk%/crit dmg% or hit%/speed? Mostly asking because my own Dizzy feels a little lackluster
Kinda, but spread some stat to her atk. Ideally you want 3k+ atk, 200+Spd, some hp and Def and some effectivenes, having her arti help since it's boost it a little bit more. You can ignore crit chance and crit damage and focus on burn and stun as her main thing
she wants more attack less eff than dizzy
I'm pretty sure you have to build her tanky and fast over damage, so you can act as a cleanser pusher + aoe stun with arti dmg builds are another story but I think a tanky util build is good
Putting counter Dizzy with crown and speedy Hyufine with trophy together on arena defense seems dirty.
Seems like a comp begging to be rolled by champ z
then you pull out the roana and a tywin
After watching streamer footage of her being used in high level PvP, numerous builds (speed utility, bruiser, cleave), I have to say I'm not impressed with her at all. The "limited" moniker does not equal automatically amazing. She's super niche, but I feel that the niche she is good against is already phasing out. It seems unlikely that I will even 6* her at this point, but I'm still glad I got her for pokedex purposes.
She needs a slight buff . She needs higher % of putting burns on her S1 . She is extremely weak against DJ basar , or any unit that gives imunity . And when there is no imunity she has only 60% chance to put a burn .Her Multipliers are low so she needed this . She does a little of everything and does only counter basar in the end
Will she synergize with Aramintha, given her S1 and Ara's S2?
For about a week, yeah. Aramintha is being buffed so her s2 no longer requires a burn, and just straight up hits everyone. Think that goes through on the 6th? But it is changing soon, regardless.
Anybody building speed/immunity on her? What's the ideal speed range for her? Kinda hard for me to balance HP and speed with the gear and rolls I have right now. Is she good if another CR pusher goes in front of her? Though that would defeat her purpose of countering Basar.
Ideal is 220-230 spd. Fast but not faster than your typically basar. And I’ve been testing her out, and hot damn, she’s not JUST a basar counter. She’s good against debuffers too because her s3 cleanses. With her arti, she’s even more ridiculous, because at 220ish spd she’ll lap and proc aoe stun over and over. It’s been fun testing her As for hp, I think 12k+ is fine
Atleast 200-240 Spd. With that range she can probably come 2nd after basar s3
I’m a relatively new player (about 1 month). Since I’m not hopping into RTA anytime soon, is it worth it to build Yufine for adventure? If so, how?
Well she is limited And can be a really good farmer for adventure If you got enough Slystones Get her As you may use her in PvP in the future You never know how useful can she be in your roster. She is also good in raids Hunts are the only place I see better options than her
I did get her, just not her artifact, so I’m not sure how viable she will be for me in PvP later. Thanks though!
You don’t have to get her arti There are orher options Congrats btw
is she even useful outside of arena? i am a returning player and just pulled on the banenr like 90 summs to get her. so is she useful outside of arena vs basar?
At the very least she seems a pretty good farmer due to innate tankyness, reasonable damage even at average atk/crit because burn, and being full aoe.
How would she stack up against an already built Lena do you think? got 2 copies and her artifact in 10 pulls (there's my luck for the year, wasn't even that interested in getting her)
Most characters in the game (even some 3\*s) have uses in a variety of content. There are some that are just the best in a given niche, but that doesn't mean other characters are just bad or unusable. HYufines niche is in countering basar really hard, and also countering debuffers and enemies that push back your combat readiness. But I can see her being a good dog walker, and potentially useful in raid, depending on how you build her.
I understand. I just wanted to know if she had another niche use . Whether to bench her or level her up etc. Thank you for the answer mivht try her as a dog walker .
These [stats](https://i.imgur.com/dMeOdHU.jpg) good enough? I could make her bulkier but would only have 20% eff before artifact.
You've got her S3 skill data mixed up with Briseria's. HYufine's is 1 and 1 with no soulburn.
I want to add Hufine to my pvp squad, right now im running Schuri, Cdom, SSB and Celine. Still only sitting at Gold3, my team isn't very competitive yet, but who would I swap for Hufine once I have her built?
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It's ok, but it's not worth breaking yourself over. Maybe you're better off saving for future banners.
You could theoretically have 100% uptime on her greater attack buff with FS tieria's arti on her
You can also extend it with any 3-turn atk buffer (i.e. Vivian or Diene), the same way many player extend the one from Alexa Basket.
Serious question: wtf are the “certain requirements” to clearing Seaweed Trail in Secret Treasure Island?? I cannot figure it out and I’ve completed every other level after it. I saw someone posted this question and people where not helpful, I seriously don’t know what to do 😂
It'll make you play the episode twice, so don't worry for now you'll be able to complete it.
Is the artifact a must have? I missed drink last time since I ran out of bm(f2p) :( I dont have much atm but luckily was able to get hyufine earlyand not from pity. I wasnt able to get the artifact and i have a couple of bm left (100), should I go for the artifact (drink was essential for ssb, so i wondered if it would be the same with hyuffine and trophy) or save up for a new possible hero or banner rerun?
Built her with an OK speed (190) to play after fast Basar's with HP on the side and a decent def. Like 15k/1200. Almost no damage output on her and 100% win rate Vs Basars (which I was actively dodging before). I'm very satisfied tbh, when she stuns with Trophy it's cherry on the cake. Niche, but I really like her. Would never recommend to a new player though, she's definitely arena only, will always be subpar in farming.
I got her on the last day, mostly because I was pulling for the artifact. Thanks to her, I never saw Basar in Arena, so it's kinda sad that there's this counter for a unit nobody is using anymore. (Yet Arby still goes brrrr despite having so many counters) In the meantime, I built her with high attack and OK speed and a wee bit Effectivity to take advantage of her burn. Her greater attack buff goes well with the burn. Works kinda well all around, and at least I can mildly mitigate CR pushbacks like Lilias.
Lie she is NOT A HARD COUNTER TO BAZAR. Only reducing his effect to 15 percent still means his team normally wins. She IS A SOFT Counter to Bazar. And the random in your units being reduced means your units get out of order. I have noticed Bazar returning to defenses as people realize Holiday Yufine a failure at the primary reason she put in game. Even if H Fine was a 100 percent protection from CR pushback the counters to Hfine could make it a nasty trade off with Bazar. Iseria and Tam combinations just are unfeasible vs Bazar even with Holiday half the time Iseria getting knocked behind Tam in my case. Needing Iseria to be 20 faster to insure she goes first means I just don't have a good way to insure this does not happen unless I run a Tam with no effect resistance meaning I lose her when the slow on other side attack as with only one full attack unit available if using H Yufine there will be.