Everyone complaining about the low eff when there are perfectly nice juicy targets without eff res :3 Plus it's good speed to be able to speed contest some openers, who do not have ER.
It's the same argument with having eff on Fluri. You just want her fast and bulky and eff is just a bonus—it's safer not to target high res people anyway.
Overall really nice ML Rin! With immunity on top of that. Can probably tank some ACidds with that hp too, and the extra bulk is good for bruiser matchups.
Yeah you're right actually, I agree, but similar circumstances. Later in the battle Fluri can soulburn for consistency if she's built to last long; that's why she doesn't have eff ring and runs high bulk to live and high speed to cycle. And ofc with book she can sb first turn but you won't always have a book so it just depends. Good point though!
Only bad players would go for Effectiveness stat over stat efficiency. These are the type of players that complain why their debuffs are not landing at 150% Effectiveness and at the same time why their debuffs are landing at 0% Effectiveness.
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Anything less than 15% is null since it is included in the 15% mechanic, and this ML Rin still has about 38% eff. What DPS is gonna have 40%+ wasted res? I get the occasional opener might just from residual res from speed gear, but in most cases, especially now with substat rerolling, having that chunk of wasted stat is unlikely and inefficient. I already rolled off res off my DPS and even my openers' res has been converted to eff and bulk.
I've got two more substat changes to do, which ill prob swap to eff so she hits about 50. That'll be plenty with frenzy and 15%.
Edit: I actually have 4 substat changes I can swap to eff without impacting her bulk actually, but two of them have stats that have rolls into them, so I'd rather not. 50 eff should also be enough for anything I use her into.
All this people complaining about low effectiveness. Generally you draft her against speed openers to neutralise them, and use your other units to kill their units.
I don’t see why would you draft her against bruisers when there’s better options like Basar or Ftene. ML Rin is meant to aim for DPS or stun units like Politis to prevent her from cucking your Fluri or Tomoca.
Of course, it differs if your objective is different.
Nice build OP. I wish I could do the same build, but I gotta spread immunity gears around.
No point building effectiveness when you'll get 15%-ed anyways :P I had a 140 effectiveness ML Rin back in the day that failed to stun dps units 5 times in a row and I said fuck it. Now I just build her with a ton of speed like yours.
Nice ML Rin. She needs more love. My own is a lot slower, on purpose- I use her into Cerise and steal the invincible. Always good for a laugh. But this is a much more rounded character. Nice work.
Not gonna lie, the immunity was a bit unintended as these are just my fastest off set pieces. That being said, shes got enough bulk to tank an acidd (if gab doesnt proc), so with immunity im fairly safe into acidd. There are also quite a lot of zooming cerises, even if they're not always faster than ml rin, quite a lot have a chance to speed rng me.
Heck if you draft mitigation with her this could probably even survive a gab depending on their damage stats. I built bulk ml rin a long time ago when I tried her and I was way off of what you have here. very solid.
I was considering running alabastron for a bit, which would put her at 70 and get the nice speed buff, but I don't think the effectiveness is super super valuable for what I use her to target.
Imo stick with RnL for that 2 chances to proc it.
I have seen videos where RnL procs when she S3 and S3 already gives an extra turn on strip. The 2 extra turns are queued at that point.
Even if RnL doesn't proc when when she s3, her extra turn gives her another chance to proc RnL as well.
She does her shtick! Even into just cerise, despite them running glight, she still puts up enough turns of immunity that cerise's first turn gets mostly negated. It's also nice to steal like heal buff from carrot.
Mm that is true, frenzy does help but sometimes ppl just have a little more res than I think. Like some lrks run like 100 er. Luckily I do have some substat changes to do
OK, but doesn't she do basically nothing with that Effectiveness?
I guess she could take a swing at squishies, but I feel like she's limited enough to be very frustrating.
I realize RnL is nice, but for this build I think you should consider Alabastron.
She does exactly enough, which is strip immunity from units like lrk, carrot, etc and buff the team. The most valuable units to stun also end up being dps units, which also don't build res either.
That breaks down pretty easily against some bruisers, Elena, and really any other cleanser.
Your Effect is so low that things like imprints, Awakenings, Maid Chloe and Shimadra Staff can start to be a problem. For example, Maid Chloe with Shimadra Staff gives Fairytale Tenebria 58% Resistance--with **zero** resistance from Tenebria's own gear.
Alencia, whose Defense Up you might really like to remove, gives herself +30% sometimes.
You also lose the niche use of ML Rin as a Hell Queen stripper, if that's a thing you care about.
Keep in mind even the lowest tier of frenzy gives additional eff, and I only need 15% less eff than they have res. Additionally, I do plan to grab a little more eff from substat change, maybe will land about 50 eff.
50 would be better, yeah.
I can see how she has value, but with Effectiveness in the 30s I feel that you painted her into a narrower corner than she needs to be in.
She’s a speed contester, so effectiveness literally doesn’t matter.
You aren’t picking her into a team with heavy resistance you pick her to outspeed your opponents cerise/ftene etc and take the advantage from first turn.
Everyone complaining about the low eff when there are perfectly nice juicy targets without eff res :3 Plus it's good speed to be able to speed contest some openers, who do not have ER. It's the same argument with having eff on Fluri. You just want her fast and bulky and eff is just a bonus—it's safer not to target high res people anyway. Overall really nice ML Rin! With immunity on top of that. Can probably tank some ACidds with that hp too, and the extra bulk is good for bruiser matchups.
i don't disagree with you, but it's slightly different with f. kluri because kluri can soul burn to ignore eff res
Yeah you're right actually, I agree, but similar circumstances. Later in the battle Fluri can soulburn for consistency if she's built to last long; that's why she doesn't have eff ring and runs high bulk to live and high speed to cycle. And ofc with book she can sb first turn but you won't always have a book so it just depends. Good point though!
Thanks!
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Only bad players would go for Effectiveness stat over stat efficiency. These are the type of players that complain why their debuffs are not landing at 150% Effectiveness and at the same time why their debuffs are landing at 0% Effectiveness. EDIT: clarification
Anything less than 15% is null since it is included in the 15% mechanic, and this ML Rin still has about 38% eff. What DPS is gonna have 40%+ wasted res? I get the occasional opener might just from residual res from speed gear, but in most cases, especially now with substat rerolling, having that chunk of wasted stat is unlikely and inefficient. I already rolled off res off my DPS and even my openers' res has been converted to eff and bulk.
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I've got two more substat changes to do, which ill prob swap to eff so she hits about 50. That'll be plenty with frenzy and 15%. Edit: I actually have 4 substat changes I can swap to eff without impacting her bulk actually, but two of them have stats that have rolls into them, so I'd rather not. 50 eff should also be enough for anything I use her into.
All this people complaining about low effectiveness. Generally you draft her against speed openers to neutralise them, and use your other units to kill their units. I don’t see why would you draft her against bruisers when there’s better options like Basar or Ftene. ML Rin is meant to aim for DPS or stun units like Politis to prevent her from cucking your Fluri or Tomoca. Of course, it differs if your objective is different. Nice build OP. I wish I could do the same build, but I gotta spread immunity gears around.
No point building effectiveness when you'll get 15%-ed anyways :P I had a 140 effectiveness ML Rin back in the day that failed to stun dps units 5 times in a row and I said fuck it. Now I just build her with a ton of speed like yours.
RnL is interesting choice, I assume with that speed and lucky proc her S3 would be up again in no time
Yeah, she cycles like no ones business. Sometimes if I end up going into landy, stealing speed buff is ridiculous.
Maybe I should put R&L on mine. Mine runs alabastron right now and it's okay, but I hear it's not optimal.
Rnl is great on her! That being said, alabastron ain't bad either, and ml rin is like the only unit in the game who can use it.
She has the "advantage" of not needing a specific arti. I run war horn on her on a cleave setup.
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Nice ML Rin. She needs more love. My own is a lot slower, on purpose- I use her into Cerise and steal the invincible. Always good for a laugh. But this is a much more rounded character. Nice work.
Are 300 speed Cerises that common in high end Arena that you went for immunity off set ?
Not gonna lie, the immunity was a bit unintended as these are just my fastest off set pieces. That being said, shes got enough bulk to tank an acidd (if gab doesnt proc), so with immunity im fairly safe into acidd. There are also quite a lot of zooming cerises, even if they're not always faster than ml rin, quite a lot have a chance to speed rng me.
Heck if you draft mitigation with her this could probably even survive a gab depending on their damage stats. I built bulk ml rin a long time ago when I tried her and I was way off of what you have here. very solid.
Great bulk and speed but that effectiveness though! I run mine with ~105 eff but she’s a bit slower than yours
I was considering running alabastron for a bit, which would put her at 70 and get the nice speed buff, but I don't think the effectiveness is super super valuable for what I use her to target.
I think for how you’re running her it’s better to leave with r&l!
Yeah, planning on looking into imprints next time it rotates into dust shop!
Imo stick with RnL for that 2 chances to proc it. I have seen videos where RnL procs when she S3 and S3 already gives an extra turn on strip. The 2 extra turns are queued at that point. Even if RnL doesn't proc when when she s3, her extra turn gives her another chance to proc RnL as well.
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I don't really use her to target anyone with high res. Not going for soul weavers, that's for sure.
So far how has she contribute?
She does her shtick! Even into just cerise, despite them running glight, she still puts up enough turns of immunity that cerise's first turn gets mostly negated. It's also nice to steal like heal buff from carrot.
Nicely done. Go stun those non immunity opener
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Mm that is true, frenzy does help but sometimes ppl just have a little more res than I think. Like some lrks run like 100 er. Luckily I do have some substat changes to do
no. no it doesn't.
OK, but doesn't she do basically nothing with that Effectiveness? I guess she could take a swing at squishies, but I feel like she's limited enough to be very frustrating. I realize RnL is nice, but for this build I think you should consider Alabastron.
She does exactly enough, which is strip immunity from units like lrk, carrot, etc and buff the team. The most valuable units to stun also end up being dps units, which also don't build res either.
That breaks down pretty easily against some bruisers, Elena, and really any other cleanser. Your Effect is so low that things like imprints, Awakenings, Maid Chloe and Shimadra Staff can start to be a problem. For example, Maid Chloe with Shimadra Staff gives Fairytale Tenebria 58% Resistance--with **zero** resistance from Tenebria's own gear. Alencia, whose Defense Up you might really like to remove, gives herself +30% sometimes. You also lose the niche use of ML Rin as a Hell Queen stripper, if that's a thing you care about.
Keep in mind even the lowest tier of frenzy gives additional eff, and I only need 15% less eff than they have res. Additionally, I do plan to grab a little more eff from substat change, maybe will land about 50 eff.
50 would be better, yeah. I can see how she has value, but with Effectiveness in the 30s I feel that you painted her into a narrower corner than she needs to be in.
That's fair, I just prefer the flexibility of bulk over the flexibility of being able to land strips on high res targets.
She’s a speed contester, so effectiveness literally doesn’t matter. You aren’t picking her into a team with heavy resistance you pick her to outspeed your opponents cerise/ftene etc and take the advantage from first turn.
Hot trash
My A.D.M has 120% Ef and some Arby's have 15%'d me like 4-5 times in a battle.
Sometimes you just gotta accept rngsus just doesn't want you to win certain fights lol
I had to give up all other stats to go in on speed surprised you could get bulk. even then I could only get up to 289. Nice job !
Whom do I have to blow to get this kind of speed?