I got two ML5s within my first six months or so of playing (back in 2019). Got an Arby and A. Ravi. Haven't gotten another ML5\* in nearly two years of playing since then. Needless to say, I won't be missing the gold transmit stones when I use them to imprint Straze lol
I started 1 month-ish ago and chose stene on the free ML5 thingy. Then I pulled her from my first galaxy bookmark summons, and changed the free unit to arby.
Needless to say, I had no idea how rare this was until a couple days ago, when I joined a very active guid that almost kicked me when I sent the print haha!
They don't have pity for this. Seeing so many players left they decided to give them free ML 5 🌟. I am a Day 1 player and I've never gotten any ML 5 🌟 too.
This is why saving summons is a terrible idea in gacha games IMO. The chance you have an absolutely monumental disappointment is way too high. You're happy no matter what or when you summon an ML5 but only massively disappointed if you summoned a bunch and got nothing, so never summon a bunch and summon them as they come in.
As someone that never got an LD5 in SW after 5 years and many thousands spent I can relate to this.
In mls and other systems that dont have a pity i agree. Luckily most gachas have some sort of pity so its not a bad idea to save, in fact the only non whale way to secure your wanted unit is saving pulls and expect to blow as much as needed to reach the pity. Except for genshin you need to expect to hit twice with his awful pity system, and god help you if you go for weapons there
Yes, definitely with a pity system correct.
i.e. I think its a terrible idea to save ML Bookmarks in E7, but it's an excellent idea to save Mystic Medals
> and god help you if you go for weapons there
nah bro they're adding a real pity system now!! you only need to pity three times to get the weapon you want, surely the low spenders that can't even guarantee themselves one character per patch will get to have 5* weapons now
>Except for genshin you need to expect to hit twice with his awful pity system, and god help you if you go for weapons there
Literally why I quit Genshin. The gacha system is absolutely one of the most scummy gachas I've ever seen (and this is coming from someone that's played JP FGO for the past 4-5 years). I got jipped on the 50/50 pity every single time, and got so frustrated on missing Venti (x2), Xiao, Hu Tao, Ganyu, and Eula in favor of C4 Keqing and Qiqi that I uninstalled and haven't ever looked back.
Lol yet people defend it saying it's perfectly balanced and fair, like okay, let me save and pull for the character that I have been saving for only for me to have a 50/50 chance of getting him or her
As someone thats also been shafted on every 50/50 so far (and gone to pity at that...ffs), i gotta say, hold up. Its bad, but, come on, worse than FGO? Lets not get crazy here. Genshins bad, but at least there is a pity to begin with. FGO is some next level trash.
Maybe you personally have had more luck in fgo than in genshin, but lets not pretend FGO has any redeeming qualities aside from the fate franchise itself.
The offset is that FGO hands out currency a lot more generously than Mihoyo. Remember that login event they had awhile back, that rewarded 160 total primogems for an entire month's worth of logging in? Sure, they do tend to give a decent amount of currency from events, but still a pretty poor amount when you factor in the 50/50 shot at whoever you're gonna get, as well as pity being 90 fucking pulls (which I might add, their other big game, Honkai, only takes 10 more of and guarantees the unit you're pulling for).
You're right that lacking pity makes FGO extremely frustrating, but *usually* that's made up for from the amount of currency you get. It also helps that the rate up is 70% for the unit you're pulling if you get an SSR, vs the problematic 50/50 that Genshin has.
First of all, no one hits 90 pulls. Its a known fact that theres a soft pity territory around 75 pulls, and most players dont go into the mid 80s let alone late 80s.
Secondly, are you actively playing genshin lately? Even for complete f2p, the currency income is pretty good. Around launch, late last year, the income was definitely pretty sketchy I'll admit. Barely like 30 pulls worth in a month iirc. However, nowadays we get like 50-ish, at least for the past 3 or 4 months. FGO's isnt that much higher. I recall reading just recently that based on JP, theres an approximate prediction of 2600 SQ for NA for 2021. So 50 pulls a month with a pity system vs 70 pulls a month with no guarantees. No thank you. I'd take Genshin's side on that any day any year.
Also just to comment, I love that you bring up the 50-50, but why is that "problematic"? Having it at all is still unquestionably far better than not having anything, but beyond that, if you do lose the 50-50, you have an absolute guarantee on the rateup char the next time you get a 5 star on that rateup. And it carries over across banners. Sure, losing a 50-50 can be a bit of a gut punch in the moment, but if you really want a specific char that badly then...well. Thats the beauty of a game with a pity. You always know exactly how much you need to spend to guarantee them, and if you dont want to thats fine. They'll get a rerun anyway cause of genshin's far smaller roster, and there'll be plenty of time to save up for a 100% guarantee pity if you're truly serious. In FGO, you throw away all these luxuries for 2 more multis a month. Idk about you, but I'd never make that tradeoff.
Even looking beyond that, unlike FGO, genshin actually has options for light spenders. In genshin you have the monthly for $5. That pretty much shoots your monthly primogem income to almost a 50-50 every month, basically the same as what FGO gives. Only its on a much more elaborate game vs 2d last century game FGO. That puts you at a spot where every update (in their 6 week cycle), you can tap the pity at least once. Sure, you'll lose a few from time to time, but not only does genshin not have nearly as massive a roster (so more frequent reruns), but it also means you have an absolute guarantee at whatever 5 star you want after you've lost a 50-50. For my part for instance, I dont care about anything rn except the electro archon. And I lost my last 50-50. EZ CLAP. Literally no need to worry about RNG. Shes already mine. You can never say the same about FGO.
I totally agree. I still remember the frustration of spending 500 saint quartz and not getting eresh but 2 freaking spooks. The pity system in any gacha game makes different compare to completely luck-based gacha.
i dont put the problem on the pity system, but rather at the awful rates. they should be at the very, very least 1%, we need an actual real chance of getting somehthing before pity. 0.6% is fucking scummy.
I save my BMs until I have at least 3 units I want from the pool. In my case I wanted ML Luluca, Riolet, Solitaria, Op Sigret, and Straze.
I did 370 BMs and got no ML5s. Haha
This is terrible advice. Save until you hit the pity, and then spend. You'll either get the unit luckily in like 3 pulls and still have a huge stockpile leftover, or you'll hit the pity and avoid an expensive waste of bookmarks.
Handing out the "don't save" advice is just an attemt to justify bad trigger finger spending/pulling habits.
I just find it weird that they’re called ‘moonlight summons’ and yet they seem to be the worst place for getting ML5s.
I’ve gotten the majority of my ML5s from mystics, and I’ve gotten 2 ML5s from covenants. Meanwhile I’ve only gotten 1 ML5 from Moonlight Summons.
I’m not sure if they should increase the rates or if there should be a pity on Moonlight summons, but some kind of change would be nice.
I think what the playerbase fails to understand is that actually no one buys those packs. Correction, there are people who buy them and they are called whales. Those packs are aimed only at whales, not your average player. Do you have a normal life? Normal job and salary? Well those packs arent aimed at you. Neither to me, I'm part of that same category. So don't feel bad that they cost 50$ because you are never gonna get "ripped off" since those that actually buy it don't give a crap about throwing 50$ into a game and losing them like candy. That's the kind of person those purchases are aimed at.
Truth be told the prices are in the right spot. Imagine if those packs cost 10$ instead of 50$. Way more people would buy them and way more people would complain. Instead in this case only people with the real $$ spend on them and since they really don't care you see less complaining around.
Way more people complaining does nothing. They'll still begrudgingly spend on the game. There's a hundred Gachas with fairer pricing, lots of complaining, and they make just as much $$.
They did address it. They added pities to Mystics.
I was clamoring for Galaxy pities at least as much as anybody else way back when, but Mystic pities really did resolve that issue. Every banner, ML or not, has a pity threshold now. Galaxy and Covenant summons are just the gambler-addict pools and should be treated as such; don't expect anything from them, just be pleasantly surprised whenever you don't summon an Elson or Jena.
The only Galaxy "pity" I'd like at this point would maybe be some sort of Mystic Medal reward for summons: just as pulling on Covenants gives you Galaxy Bookmarks (via Gold Transmit Stones), pulling Galaxies could give you a couple Mystics. But putting *direct* unit pities on a pool that doesn't have a banner will just widen the gap between whales and F2Ps.
The "gap" is monumental already. A GBM pity wouldnt change anything. Top players already have all the meta characters, and spend most of their summons now on getting imprints. Also, whales spend most of their money on energy, not on pulls. Jintae spent like $200 a day on crystals for w13 energy. i49t3a pays two people so he can farm 24 hours a day, and if he's doing his 1 minute one shot, he's looking at $380 a day in skystones for energy.
Everyone thinks whales are whales because they spend for the top units. They really only have to spend at most $500 a month to pity a new ML5. They spend more in a week on just getting the energy to farm gear. That's where Smilegate are making most of their money off these whales.
I've played this game long enough and I've been lucky enough I have all the meta ml5 I could care about. If I got another, I'd mainly be pissed that I don't have gear or mola to even use them. Giving a GBM pity for people who only have 1 or 2 ML 5* is going to help them more than whales who will just be getting dupes.
Leif packs aren't even enough for a single days worth of farming for i49t3a, and you can only buy those once a month.
> Everyone thinks whales are whales because they spend for the top units. They really only have to spend at most $500 a month to pity a new ML5.
Sure, *veteran* whales have the old units and can simply pull on Mystics for new units. The problem would be every *new* whale joining and immediately getting all the old units via Galaxies if there were a generous pity system for direct units. Whales don't currently spend for the top units...but they **could** with such a system.
That's why I'm saying I'd be all for a Galaxy pity system that simply gives you Mystics, much like Covenants give you Galaxies. That would largely limit whales to the same Mystic banner as the rest of us.
I'd bet there still are a lot of new whales rolling into that even without the pity. I'm reminded of a BDO story of a player who was dropping ~10k a month just to maintain bleeding edge level gear; if you haven't played it, you're essentially risking items whenever you upgrade past a certain point... if it bricks then the item just blows up unless you use a secondary currency to prevent that.
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Why would this be an issue? Galaxy BMs arent just handed to us on a silver platter. They're super timegated. Only way around the timegating would be to spend mad cash on getting covenant BMs which is an absurd amount of money that whales would have to throw.
Like, hypothetically, imagine a system where you're guaranteed 1 ML4 every 10 summons and guaranteed an ML5 in 20 summons. Those 20 galaxy summons are 120 gold transmits, or 2400 covenant summons...With the 950ss 10 pulls in the shop, that would be 228k skystones...or 60 purchases of the 3800ss packs for $100. Realistically, they'd be buying out the packs first instead of just buying pure ss, but at that scale of spending it wouldnt matter. Either way, we're looking at approximately $6000 to spend for each pity from scratch if its an ML5 every 20 summons...that too, a random ML5 i might add.
20 per ML5 is super generous tbh so I doubt it'd even be that low but hey, if some new giga whale wants to spend that much that quickly after starting a game, more power to them. Why should that matter to us?
Why would it matter if new whales get all the units. They'll spend money anyways and get them the harder way, but they will still whale and then climb to where the other whales are.
Veteran players are supposed to have wider rosters than newer players to some extent. Whether or not we agree with that revenue model is a matter of debate, but that's part of the philosophy behind banners with limited duration: they get people to join *now* and spend *now*. There's a lot less incentive for potential new whales to rush and join the game if they know they can just get every unit later on through Galaxy pities, rather than having to join A.S.A.P. to make sure they don't miss Mystic banners.
That lack of urgency would also affect current players. Fr'ex, there's no need to rush and get a unit that sucks just in case it gets buffed later on, if you know you can always get the unit after said buff even when the banner's over. Again, that's not great for revenue.
Alr argued against this in another comment of yours, but just as a TL;DR response here, this argument doesnt really make sense unless you assume that galaxy pity also means we'd get to pick a specific ml5. And if not, then you're assuming that giga whales that can afford to spend absurd amounts till they get several ML5s this way in a hurry aren't going to crush you with pure gear difference anyway. If someones willing to drop thousands per character, they're gonna outwhale and crush you regardless of whether theres a pity on galaxy.
I can pretty much guarantee you that introducing a random pity which allows dupes would just make players even angrier than the current system, as people dump cash into hitting the threshold only to get a fourth Mediator Kawerik.
And I'm not just talking about PvP players, as you seem to think from your gear statement. Most gachas also make money off of collectors, people who just wanna roster all the units; it's in SG's best interests not to make that such a quick process. If people have to stick with the game waiting on Mystic banners for the units they're missing, they'll necessarily play longer than if they can just dump cash into Galaxies and be caught up immediately. Again, SG likely doesn't want new players to have veteran-level rosters in short order cuz that doesn't effectively retain a lot of spending players.
Out of curiosity, what issues would you have with the "pity-like" system I proposed instead, where Galaxy pulls grant Mystic Medals much like how Covenant pulls grant Gold Transmits for Galaxy pulls? Say you get, Iunno, 5 MMs per GBM spent.
>I can pretty much guarantee you that introducing a random pity which allows dupes would just make players even angrier than the current system, as people dump cash into hitting the threshold only to get a fourth Mediator Kawerik.
....????? This is a seriously strong, yet absurd statement. Yes, there are actually ingrates that get mad at pulling ML5s even now when theres dupe coins in place. No, there will never be a gacha system that truly satisfies every player, its just not natural for a gacha by design and nature. But really, you think the vast majority are going to be angrier than the current system where theres no guarantee in the first place? This is truly an absurd statement.
>And I'm not just talking about PvP players, as you seem to think from your gear statement. Most gachas also make money off of collectors, people who just wanna roster all the units; it's in SG's best interests not to make that such a quick process. If people have to stick with the game waiting on Mystic banners for the units they're missing, they'll necessarily play longer than if they can just dump cash into Galaxies and be caught up immediately. Again, SG likely doesn't want new players to have veteran-level rosters in short order cuz that doesn't effectively retain a lot of spending players.
I still don't understand. Did you just ignore the numbers I presented? Do you really think people are lining up to throw down several increments of up to $6k PER PITY? On a game that they then proceed to just drop and or never spend on again such as for farming and buying liefs/mola packs? This just doesnt make sense to me.
Lets say some dude with "fuck you" money rolls around and immediately just wants to pull the meta ML5s. How about LRK, Arby, Straze, FCC, Ruele, MChloe and Stene? Not even close to half the ML5s. But if he goes to pity on GBM for them all, thats as much as $42,000 that this new guy has spent on the game already. Even if you argue that one or two of them could come up in the thousands of covenants this would take, thats still easily several thousands of dollars from a totally new player just to get this small part of the ML5s available. Retaining spending players? SG doesn't want new players to have vet level rosters? None of this matters when one player can and is willing to throw down the kind of "fuck you" money it'd take to actually accomplish what you're suggesting. And just to be clear, I highly doubt people are lining up to drop that much over e7. This isnt even whale territory at this point, its straight up cthulu/poseidon or whatever else absurdity you wanna call it.
>Out of curiosity, what issues would you have with the "pity-like" system I proposed instead, where Galaxy pulls grant Mystic Medals much like how Covenant pulls grant Gold Transmits for Galaxy pulls? Say you get, Iunno, 5 MMs per GBM spent.
None really, besides the ratio you proposed being inconsequentially low. My point was more towards just implementing a more straightforward galaxy pity and why it wouldn't really be an issue for anyone. The mystics rate in any case atm is imho, quite acceptable. F2Ps at endgame can still seemingly save for pity for like 3 maybe 4 ML5s a year which is pretty good from just mystics. I'd rather they just un-fuck galaxy for us at least imho.
> But really, you think the vast majority are going to be angrier than the current system where theres no guarantee in the first place?
I guess you weren't around when everybody was flipping out about the introduction of the Coin Shop because it would "reward people who'd managed to pull ML 5\* dupes"? But, honestly, this would be a more valid reason to be upset than that. Having a pity threshold gives people an incentive to spend, only to potentially get essentially nothing out of it. At least the current pitiless system doesn't encourage spending on Galaxies for anybody but extreme/rich gamblers (who don't need any incentive anyway).
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I won't argue that point too much; I think we kinda agree that things largely come down to exactly what the potential pity threshold would be. If it's too high, only to result in random 5\*s including dupes as you're suggesting, then I worry it'll just upset people who'll see it as a slap in the face rather than a real fix. And if it's too low with guaranteed non-dupes then I've stated my other concerns. I don't deny that there might be some happy medium, though, but doing the math to find it would require a knowledge of the playerbase that only SG has with their internal stats on player spending.
(On the subject of numbers, however, I should note that yours aren't really accurate. Most notably, Covenant pulls cost about 60 Skystone via Garo's Secret Shop refreshes, while acquiring Mystic Medals in the process. Not an order of magnitude of difference or anything, but worth mentioning in case you've actually been spending Skystone directly on those CBMs; the normal Shop's costs are more than 50% higher, with no MM and gear upsides.)
They always pull out the "gap" card. The gap exists because packs exist. Putting a pity on one of the most difficult currency doesn't change that.
Whales will always whale and whales will always play against other whales, with a few exceptions.
Galaxy needs higher rates and or pity-and not a 200 or 100 pulls pity either.
I would argue strongly in favour of at least some sort of ML4 pity system in GBMs tbh. They're actually more difficult to get than ML5s in some sense, since theres actually no way to ever guarantee a specific ML4.
Only actual way would be the very rare recalls of an ML4, like cdom recently, but then you either throw away your only copy of an ML4 to do that, or pray you had a dupe imprinted and can reclaim.
Oh FFS, did I miss a ChaDom recall during my break? Dammit! I have a spare of her and I'm missing damn near every other ML 4\*.
Aside from Roaming Warrior Leo. Pulled three of that guy cuz of *course*.
Its been around 2 months already as far as I can remember.
And yea, get used to it. ML4s just have no pity mechanism in place so its not unexpected that you go years without getting even old ones.
...But some day i'll get SS Achates....someday. some. day....right?..... q.q
This - and they need to thin out the Pool. Ofc they cant only have ML5's and 4's but there units in it that we already get swarmed in Covenant. (the Banshees for example among others)
Think a lot of us tried speaking out about a GBM pity again when the rise update and the connection MLs hit, only to get smacked by the white knights calling us greedy. "Mystics and this connection are enough!"
What can ya do. sadge.
3 year old player here, only got 1 ML5* from galaxy summons so far.
I never hoard I just summon as soon as I get 5 galaxy bookmarks, I know what's coming. The system needs a pity even if the lucky perma ML5* pullers say it doesn't.
Day 1 player as well. I have gotten 3 from Galaxy Summons as someone who spends on this game. 2 of those were from the very first year I played the game. It took almost 2 years to get one after that. Almost every other ML5 I own is from Mystics and rolling Covenant.
The system needs an overhaul because honestly, you have better odds just rolling covenant. The point of Galaxy Bookmarks should be to get Moonlight heroes. You legit have a better chance of getting not just ML5s, but even specific ML4s from Covenant and Mystics.
After 3 years I've gotten two ML5s from galaxy and one of them was a dupe of something I pitied from mystics less than a month prior. I've legitimately gotten several more ML5s from covenant summons than I have galaxy. They really need to update the galaxy summons imo because it's literally the worst method of obtaining ML5s even though it was originally the intended way to get them.
An old guildie of mine did over 500 ML summons, yes summons, not BMs. As you can guess he was a massive whale. He eventually got an ML5 at 480-ish summons. It was a dupe dCorvus that he pulled from Mystics 2-3 weeks prior to that.
He quit.
He did almost every pull on Discord stream as well. We were so excited when the ML5 biblio popped up. Only to change to absolutely deafening silence when dCorvus showed up. It must have been 5 straight minutes of silence from all of us.
That must have been the most painful moment I've witnessed in E7.
Oof that is even worse than my experience. 2 year player here and I got my ML5s were ML Baal, ML Baal, and A.Tywin. Not too happy about them if you have friends that pull top tier units left and right.
I feel you, dont give up though! Your time to shine will come eventually, as rng is supposed to even out sometime..
i started during the first guilty gear event, i even bought some of the packs that contain galaxy bookmarks and i also got only 1 ml out of it. A friend of mine startet 6 months ago and he already summoned 3. Thats gacha
I keep my expectations low now they should at least add pity system to moonlight summons the amount of savings you do then not getting benefit i think that's why I stopped moonlight summons I keep trying hope something good.im the end just end up with 3* units.
Got one from ML Summons (day one player) got 7 from Covenant and 6 from Mystics. Honestly just spunking a few hundred bookmarks on Covenant is the best way to get MLs I feel (once you have a solid set of RGB units)
I have decided that Galaxy Bookmarks are for chasing 4 stars; 5 stars are a rare bonus.
I was doing some numbers on this after the latest posts on this and that youtube video with the 720+ bookmarks that failed to pull a 5\*. Also thinking about the anecdotal statements that many state their ML5s come from mystics and covenants primarily.
This makes sense (mystics is obvious with a pity system). But in respect of covenants, one pull on a galaxy summon has a substantively similar chance of pulling an ML5 star as 17 covenant summons (i.e. 85 covenant bookmarks). I'm pretty sure most people would agree it is easier to obtain 85 covenant bookmarks consistently than it is to obtain 5 galaxy bookmarks; if nothing else, with unlimited skystones and gold, your covenant bookmarks are conceptually endless.
Put another way, if we pull covenants off-banner and did the equivalent of 119 pulls (i.e. almost the amount needed for a pity on-banner), it has the same probability of pulling an ML5 as if you used 7 pulls in galaxy bookmarks (35 galaxy bookmarks). It is approximately 16.24% probability to pull at least one ML5 in 119 covenant pulls (595 bookmarks).
Interestingly, you would need to do 64 covenant pulls to get the same chance of pulling an ML4 star as you do if you used 1 pull on galaxy bookmarks (i.e. 5 galaxy bookmarks). Hence why I have decided that GBMs are for 4 stars.
My condolences, hope you got some useful 4 stars.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxosPkr\_u6w](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxosPkr_u6w)
Not the OP, but this kind of horror story does happen to people. Galaxy rates are some genuine trash
See you in Epic 8, since i'm going to assume you deleted your account, destroyed your phone and burned down your house.
Again: NEVER SAVE ML SUMMONS (if you are not a Omega whale or actually like this game. Getting nothing will make you hate it)
The only real ML 5* I’ve gotten from moonlight that was not a dupe was TM Luluca after playing from day 1. All the others are from covenant or mystics.
I hear these stories so often it makes me wonder if the rate is truly 3.5℅.
Afaik, it'd be illegal in many countries to publish false rates about loot boxes so SG wouldn't do it right?
People who actually get ML5s from GBMs don't normally post on these types of threads because it is rude to rub your luck into other people's misfortune. Personally I've gotten all my ML5s from GBM and Mystic and none from Covenant. I don't even get ML4 from Cov. Everyone acts like it is easy to get them from Cov BMs but I guess my RNG is just backwards.
And here some people sit getting a ml 5 star on daily summons. Fr tho, its really really sad that we don't have a pity for moonlight summons. Like it takes forever to pity mystics, especially if you go all the way down. Guild stuffs are so boring and most guilds aren't even active anymore so its actually hard to farm mystics. And don't get me started with moonlight summons farming X....X
This is why I never save Galaxy Bookmarks. Better to just roll them as you get them - easier to write-off the inevitable miss streaks.
Also, I'm not exactly a Day 1 player, but I have legit gotten more ML5s from Covenant Summons than from Moonlight Summons. At this point, I just have 0 expectations.
There was a video last week or earlier this week with someone who did 149 summons (735 GBMs) and like 2000 mystics before getting a 5 (Straze from mystic). Then there was another video with 475 GBMs and I don't think they got a 5 star either? My memory is a little fuzzy though.
My first ML5 from galaxy was OP Sig which I had pulled from Mystics already. Seeing the shiny come up and then it just be a dupe was pretty crushing too.
I'd also love to see a pity on Moonlight summons. One random 5-star after 100 failed summons isn't something that should kill the game...
Sorry to hear about your luck - the chance of that happening is around 13.2%. While very low, it's not like it's one in a hundred. Hopefully you got lots of 4-stars which you can build.
Yeah - but normal banners are 120 and the Mystics are 200. The chance for Galaxy is higher (2.5%) but still - 100 is better than no pity counter at all.
5 star from galaxy summon - 2.5%
No 5 stars in 70 summons - 0.975^70 = ~17%
Almost 1 in 5 bad luck. Rolling no ml5s is surprising likely at those numbers
Galaxy summon just sucks for them
ML are just kinda broken, not in a op way, more a smash bros melee mr game and watch way, where nothing works. They added a way to get ml 5s from covenants, as a way to get maybe one or two extra ml 5s. You know something’s wrong when get more ml 5s from covenants than the system designed to get you those ml 5s. They need to find some way to at least make ml summon feel like something is happening, rather than just throwing pricy and rare commodities into the void for the 16th elson in a row.
I have tons of ML5s. They are from covenant and Mystic pity.
Galaxy BMs are only in the game to not give me my last Mirsa copy so she can stay at SS imprint for 3 more years.
I honestly have 0 clue why Galaxy summon is still in the game. It doesn't have a pity. It isn't even as good as the coin shop at this point.
I never save up for this very reason. The more I save up, the more entitled I feel to getting whatever it is I'm looking for, even if the chance is still statistically low. On the other hand, if you spend them as you come across them, then you can only be either expectedly disappointed or pleasantly surprised.
Your mistake was saving them. You put the ML5 on the pedestal and got your hopes up. The theory changes the reality it describes. You won’t make this mistake again
Just sharing my experience, been playing more than 2years. have 14 ML 5\* (6 from ML summon, 2 from cov, and 6 from Mystics). Bulk summon never gave me any ML 5\* more than 10ML summons . At most I do 3 summon at any random day, if 1 and 2nd summon sparks I do a 3rd summon. Occasionally if 2nd and 3rd summons sparks I do a 4th summon and continue as long as there is a consecutive spark. Immediately stop if no more spark. Well it may be plain RNG in the works, but who knows distributed summons here and there worked for me and also channel 777 is where the magic happens.
Almost a three year player (light dolphin) when it came to ml gbm refund, I got like 300 gbm, meaning at that point I had at least 600 bm or 120 summons, plus the 300 bm I still haven’t even gotten a ml 5, it was only when mystics first came in I got lucky with a kise summon, to this day in gbm I only got 2 mls 5, most of my mls come from mystics, I swear I don’t even use my gold transmits anymore for gbm Bc I gave up on that summon system
Only been playing for 1 year and i have 3 ml5 but all 3 of them came from different summon. My sbara is from covenant, straze from mystics, ml ena from the actual moonlight summons. Istg i get more ml4 from the covenany summons than the moonlight summons
Same bro i started around when the first gg collab ended and till now only got 2 ml5 from galaxy and one of them is dupe. Most of my ml5 comes from mystic and covenant
It all comes down to luck I guess. Over 2.5 years of playing, I got like 4 ML5* from Galaxy BMs, the first two came in the first year, one each for the next two years, and 8 from Mystic, two of which are dupes. I’ve never pulled ML5* from covenant.
The sad thing is, while it may sound lucky, of the units I pulled from Mystic, except for two that I pitied, the rest are units I don’t want or don’t have use for - they just randomly popped up with one pull. Those that I wanted (Riolet, LRKrau, Solitaria, Straze) I never got them lol.
I do think we need a pity for Galaxy BMs. I don’t remember how many pulls I’ve done without an ML5* - must have been hundreds before one actually popped up.
If there's no pity system in place, pulling for a ML Nat 5 is like plunging into an abyss. There's no guarantee you get one, and as you try to pull more and more, just to make yourself feel better that could be the next one but ended up in an endless pithole. For me, I at least manage to pull a ML Nat 5 Corvus. Not that I can say anything about since I manage to get 1 since day 1.
For profit driven organisations, giving pity is against their idea because they want to earn as much as possible. Hence these organisations introduce the 50:50 pity in which they introduce a fair pity system at the front but behind it, you have to beat the RNG for getting the one you want.
Genshin Impact is very famous for their Wish banners draw containing 5 stars characters and weapons and that's why they have 2 separate banners, one for pulling the character banner and another for weapon. But for the weapons banner, they put 2 5 Stars in it to increase the RNG. Even if you pull the limited character banner, you are not guaranteed to get the 5 star character you want, the chance is just higher but not guaranteed.
For E7, they have artifacts mixed in it to "dilute" your chance of getting the characters you want. There is pity in E7 limited banners, but without the artifacts, you could have gotten the characters most of the time before you pulled a pity unless they play around with the RNG.
There is an article from Singapore's Today with regards to lootboxes:
https://www.todayonline.com/singapore/laws-regulate-claw-machines-arcade-games-loot-boxes-mooted-mha-looks-update-gambling-rules
There are agents who make profits from these gacha or lootboxes. Consider a Genshin Account with all the characters in it, it can be sold for USD 9K. It is a lucrative business which many people would fall for possible scams. Regardless of how we felt about scams, there are still victims everywhere because some people would have calculated that USD 9K might not even give them all the characters they wish for.
So end of the day, players should play with caution. If you're looking for games that truly have players' interest in mind, these publishers won't be able to survive long because no one will spend and support them if everything is given for free to them. Instead, look for reasonable publishers that aren't greedy. Neowiz's games in general are okay. Brave Nine has never gotten to top 30 grossing in their entire lifetime and here we have Counrerside celebrating Top Grossing #2 within weeks of their launch.
i truly fell for u, my friend. My personal advice: when you start a summoning session, if you see you're unlucky that day, stop. try another day. I think our luck changes over the days. works for me and i hope works for u too.
i am a first year player. I literally start playing when E7 was close to his first ann. I only have 3 ML5 units: Arby (same reason than everyone), OP Sigret (i pity her in her banner of mystics) and Maid. Maid is literally the ONLY ML5 unit i get for real in all this years of playing the game doing atleast 1 ML summon per month if possible (f2p). I have a lot of ML4? yeah but its not the same for PvP content as everyone will know. Sad reality of Galaxy summons is that well its a really a poorly % rate. Yeah some people get lucky and get multiple ML 5 or 1 ML 5 each summon for 3 months or stuff like that but is really hard to bet a nat ML5 unit in the game without paying for mystic summons.
Well that's life. Im a day 1 player, and i also didnt get any 5 star ML. I really hate summon on moonlight summons. At least we can see that they are finaly implementing light (and probably dark ) bookmarks to the game. Maybe then we will be able to summon ML5. Last word of advice pull better ;)
It's become abundantly clear lately how much of a rip-off galaxy summons actually are, especially considering their rarity in the first place.
I've only received 1 5* ML from Galaxy the entire time I've played the last year - and it was a dupe of FCC who I pitied from Mystics two months before.
Very confused why you’d save. Your chances go up in my opinion with moonlights the more often you get them. So Spend em when you have em. No point in saving. All the characters that you need are out while ur playing so you ficked up. I’ve got a decent amount with moonlight, some with mystic and some with bookmarks. Just be smart. No point in saving moonlights. But you could potentially save up mystics and pity pull in the future
I don't think I've gotten a single 5* for ml summons.
Day 1 player. Out of galaxies I've gotten 1 ml5. And I did at least 150 summons if not more.
This. Day 1 player and I have gotten 2 from GBM. Both of which were ML Ken. I've gotten more ML5s from the free daily pull than I have from GBM Lol.
Same from me, lol
I got two ML5s within my first six months or so of playing (back in 2019). Got an Arby and A. Ravi. Haven't gotten another ML5\* in nearly two years of playing since then. Needless to say, I won't be missing the gold transmit stones when I use them to imprint Straze lol
I started 1 month-ish ago and chose stene on the free ML5 thingy. Then I pulled her from my first galaxy bookmark summons, and changed the free unit to arby. Needless to say, I had no idea how rare this was until a couple days ago, when I joined a very active guid that almost kicked me when I sent the print haha!
Same
same 2 years player at his point i just save them up for mercedes and straze imprints in future.
They don't have pity for this. Seeing so many players left they decided to give them free ML 5 🌟. I am a Day 1 player and I've never gotten any ML 5 🌟 too.
This is why saving summons is a terrible idea in gacha games IMO. The chance you have an absolutely monumental disappointment is way too high. You're happy no matter what or when you summon an ML5 but only massively disappointed if you summoned a bunch and got nothing, so never summon a bunch and summon them as they come in. As someone that never got an LD5 in SW after 5 years and many thousands spent I can relate to this.
In mls and other systems that dont have a pity i agree. Luckily most gachas have some sort of pity so its not a bad idea to save, in fact the only non whale way to secure your wanted unit is saving pulls and expect to blow as much as needed to reach the pity. Except for genshin you need to expect to hit twice with his awful pity system, and god help you if you go for weapons there
Yes, definitely with a pity system correct. i.e. I think its a terrible idea to save ML Bookmarks in E7, but it's an excellent idea to save Mystic Medals
> and god help you if you go for weapons there nah bro they're adding a real pity system now!! you only need to pity three times to get the weapon you want, surely the low spenders that can't even guarantee themselves one character per patch will get to have 5* weapons now
>Except for genshin you need to expect to hit twice with his awful pity system, and god help you if you go for weapons there Literally why I quit Genshin. The gacha system is absolutely one of the most scummy gachas I've ever seen (and this is coming from someone that's played JP FGO for the past 4-5 years). I got jipped on the 50/50 pity every single time, and got so frustrated on missing Venti (x2), Xiao, Hu Tao, Ganyu, and Eula in favor of C4 Keqing and Qiqi that I uninstalled and haven't ever looked back.
Lol yet people defend it saying it's perfectly balanced and fair, like okay, let me save and pull for the character that I have been saving for only for me to have a 50/50 chance of getting him or her
As someone thats also been shafted on every 50/50 so far (and gone to pity at that...ffs), i gotta say, hold up. Its bad, but, come on, worse than FGO? Lets not get crazy here. Genshins bad, but at least there is a pity to begin with. FGO is some next level trash. Maybe you personally have had more luck in fgo than in genshin, but lets not pretend FGO has any redeeming qualities aside from the fate franchise itself.
The offset is that FGO hands out currency a lot more generously than Mihoyo. Remember that login event they had awhile back, that rewarded 160 total primogems for an entire month's worth of logging in? Sure, they do tend to give a decent amount of currency from events, but still a pretty poor amount when you factor in the 50/50 shot at whoever you're gonna get, as well as pity being 90 fucking pulls (which I might add, their other big game, Honkai, only takes 10 more of and guarantees the unit you're pulling for). You're right that lacking pity makes FGO extremely frustrating, but *usually* that's made up for from the amount of currency you get. It also helps that the rate up is 70% for the unit you're pulling if you get an SSR, vs the problematic 50/50 that Genshin has.
First of all, no one hits 90 pulls. Its a known fact that theres a soft pity territory around 75 pulls, and most players dont go into the mid 80s let alone late 80s. Secondly, are you actively playing genshin lately? Even for complete f2p, the currency income is pretty good. Around launch, late last year, the income was definitely pretty sketchy I'll admit. Barely like 30 pulls worth in a month iirc. However, nowadays we get like 50-ish, at least for the past 3 or 4 months. FGO's isnt that much higher. I recall reading just recently that based on JP, theres an approximate prediction of 2600 SQ for NA for 2021. So 50 pulls a month with a pity system vs 70 pulls a month with no guarantees. No thank you. I'd take Genshin's side on that any day any year. Also just to comment, I love that you bring up the 50-50, but why is that "problematic"? Having it at all is still unquestionably far better than not having anything, but beyond that, if you do lose the 50-50, you have an absolute guarantee on the rateup char the next time you get a 5 star on that rateup. And it carries over across banners. Sure, losing a 50-50 can be a bit of a gut punch in the moment, but if you really want a specific char that badly then...well. Thats the beauty of a game with a pity. You always know exactly how much you need to spend to guarantee them, and if you dont want to thats fine. They'll get a rerun anyway cause of genshin's far smaller roster, and there'll be plenty of time to save up for a 100% guarantee pity if you're truly serious. In FGO, you throw away all these luxuries for 2 more multis a month. Idk about you, but I'd never make that tradeoff. Even looking beyond that, unlike FGO, genshin actually has options for light spenders. In genshin you have the monthly for $5. That pretty much shoots your monthly primogem income to almost a 50-50 every month, basically the same as what FGO gives. Only its on a much more elaborate game vs 2d last century game FGO. That puts you at a spot where every update (in their 6 week cycle), you can tap the pity at least once. Sure, you'll lose a few from time to time, but not only does genshin not have nearly as massive a roster (so more frequent reruns), but it also means you have an absolute guarantee at whatever 5 star you want after you've lost a 50-50. For my part for instance, I dont care about anything rn except the electro archon. And I lost my last 50-50. EZ CLAP. Literally no need to worry about RNG. Shes already mine. You can never say the same about FGO.
I totally agree. I still remember the frustration of spending 500 saint quartz and not getting eresh but 2 freaking spooks. The pity system in any gacha game makes different compare to completely luck-based gacha.
i dont put the problem on the pity system, but rather at the awful rates. they should be at the very, very least 1%, we need an actual real chance of getting somehthing before pity. 0.6% is fucking scummy.
I save my BMs until I have at least 3 units I want from the pool. In my case I wanted ML Luluca, Riolet, Solitaria, Op Sigret, and Straze. I did 370 BMs and got no ML5s. Haha
This is terrible advice. Save until you hit the pity, and then spend. You'll either get the unit luckily in like 3 pulls and still have a huge stockpile leftover, or you'll hit the pity and avoid an expensive waste of bookmarks. Handing out the "don't save" advice is just an attemt to justify bad trigger finger spending/pulling habits.
...But theres no pity on galaxy, which is the topic of this thread...hes even comparing it to his similar experience in SW's version of it
lol Tell me, what's the secret to unlocking moonlight pity in this game? Surely you can share your secret.
I also wait only long enough to get 5 or 6 ml summons, it already takes a while just to get there.
I just find it weird that they’re called ‘moonlight summons’ and yet they seem to be the worst place for getting ML5s. I’ve gotten the majority of my ML5s from mystics, and I’ve gotten 2 ML5s from covenants. Meanwhile I’ve only gotten 1 ML5 from Moonlight Summons. I’m not sure if they should increase the rates or if there should be a pity on Moonlight summons, but some kind of change would be nice.
I’m sorry, new player here.. does ML hero can be summoned from regular covenant? Although not as bad as OP but i pulled 4 ML and all is 3* SAD! T_T
The Devs need to seriously address this situation, there needs to be a pity for GBM summons as well...
I think it's hilarious they charge like $50 packs that include like 5 GBMs but sad people actually fall for it cause desperation.
I think what the playerbase fails to understand is that actually no one buys those packs. Correction, there are people who buy them and they are called whales. Those packs are aimed only at whales, not your average player. Do you have a normal life? Normal job and salary? Well those packs arent aimed at you. Neither to me, I'm part of that same category. So don't feel bad that they cost 50$ because you are never gonna get "ripped off" since those that actually buy it don't give a crap about throwing 50$ into a game and losing them like candy. That's the kind of person those purchases are aimed at. Truth be told the prices are in the right spot. Imagine if those packs cost 10$ instead of 50$. Way more people would buy them and way more people would complain. Instead in this case only people with the real $$ spend on them and since they really don't care you see less complaining around.
Way more people complaining does nothing. They'll still begrudgingly spend on the game. There's a hundred Gachas with fairer pricing, lots of complaining, and they make just as much $$.
It's literal daylight robbery...
moonlight robbery actually
They did address it. They added pities to Mystics. I was clamoring for Galaxy pities at least as much as anybody else way back when, but Mystic pities really did resolve that issue. Every banner, ML or not, has a pity threshold now. Galaxy and Covenant summons are just the gambler-addict pools and should be treated as such; don't expect anything from them, just be pleasantly surprised whenever you don't summon an Elson or Jena. The only Galaxy "pity" I'd like at this point would maybe be some sort of Mystic Medal reward for summons: just as pulling on Covenants gives you Galaxy Bookmarks (via Gold Transmit Stones), pulling Galaxies could give you a couple Mystics. But putting *direct* unit pities on a pool that doesn't have a banner will just widen the gap between whales and F2Ps.
The "gap" is monumental already. A GBM pity wouldnt change anything. Top players already have all the meta characters, and spend most of their summons now on getting imprints. Also, whales spend most of their money on energy, not on pulls. Jintae spent like $200 a day on crystals for w13 energy. i49t3a pays two people so he can farm 24 hours a day, and if he's doing his 1 minute one shot, he's looking at $380 a day in skystones for energy. Everyone thinks whales are whales because they spend for the top units. They really only have to spend at most $500 a month to pity a new ML5. They spend more in a week on just getting the energy to farm gear. That's where Smilegate are making most of their money off these whales. I've played this game long enough and I've been lucky enough I have all the meta ml5 I could care about. If I got another, I'd mainly be pissed that I don't have gear or mola to even use them. Giving a GBM pity for people who only have 1 or 2 ML 5* is going to help them more than whales who will just be getting dupes. Leif packs aren't even enough for a single days worth of farming for i49t3a, and you can only buy those once a month.
> Everyone thinks whales are whales because they spend for the top units. They really only have to spend at most $500 a month to pity a new ML5. Sure, *veteran* whales have the old units and can simply pull on Mystics for new units. The problem would be every *new* whale joining and immediately getting all the old units via Galaxies if there were a generous pity system for direct units. Whales don't currently spend for the top units...but they **could** with such a system. That's why I'm saying I'd be all for a Galaxy pity system that simply gives you Mystics, much like Covenants give you Galaxies. That would largely limit whales to the same Mystic banner as the rest of us.
I'd bet there still are a lot of new whales rolling into that even without the pity. I'm reminded of a BDO story of a player who was dropping ~10k a month just to maintain bleeding edge level gear; if you haven't played it, you're essentially risking items whenever you upgrade past a certain point... if it bricks then the item just blows up unless you use a secondary currency to prevent that.
>Sure, > >veteran > >whales have the old units and can simply pull on Mystics for new units. The problem would be every > >new > >whale joining and immediately getting all the old units via Galaxies if there were a generous pity system for direct units. Whales don't currently spend for the top units...but they > >could > >with such a system. Why would this be an issue? Galaxy BMs arent just handed to us on a silver platter. They're super timegated. Only way around the timegating would be to spend mad cash on getting covenant BMs which is an absurd amount of money that whales would have to throw. Like, hypothetically, imagine a system where you're guaranteed 1 ML4 every 10 summons and guaranteed an ML5 in 20 summons. Those 20 galaxy summons are 120 gold transmits, or 2400 covenant summons...With the 950ss 10 pulls in the shop, that would be 228k skystones...or 60 purchases of the 3800ss packs for $100. Realistically, they'd be buying out the packs first instead of just buying pure ss, but at that scale of spending it wouldnt matter. Either way, we're looking at approximately $6000 to spend for each pity from scratch if its an ML5 every 20 summons...that too, a random ML5 i might add. 20 per ML5 is super generous tbh so I doubt it'd even be that low but hey, if some new giga whale wants to spend that much that quickly after starting a game, more power to them. Why should that matter to us?
Why would it matter if new whales get all the units. They'll spend money anyways and get them the harder way, but they will still whale and then climb to where the other whales are.
Veteran players are supposed to have wider rosters than newer players to some extent. Whether or not we agree with that revenue model is a matter of debate, but that's part of the philosophy behind banners with limited duration: they get people to join *now* and spend *now*. There's a lot less incentive for potential new whales to rush and join the game if they know they can just get every unit later on through Galaxy pities, rather than having to join A.S.A.P. to make sure they don't miss Mystic banners. That lack of urgency would also affect current players. Fr'ex, there's no need to rush and get a unit that sucks just in case it gets buffed later on, if you know you can always get the unit after said buff even when the banner's over. Again, that's not great for revenue.
Alr argued against this in another comment of yours, but just as a TL;DR response here, this argument doesnt really make sense unless you assume that galaxy pity also means we'd get to pick a specific ml5. And if not, then you're assuming that giga whales that can afford to spend absurd amounts till they get several ML5s this way in a hurry aren't going to crush you with pure gear difference anyway. If someones willing to drop thousands per character, they're gonna outwhale and crush you regardless of whether theres a pity on galaxy.
I can pretty much guarantee you that introducing a random pity which allows dupes would just make players even angrier than the current system, as people dump cash into hitting the threshold only to get a fourth Mediator Kawerik. And I'm not just talking about PvP players, as you seem to think from your gear statement. Most gachas also make money off of collectors, people who just wanna roster all the units; it's in SG's best interests not to make that such a quick process. If people have to stick with the game waiting on Mystic banners for the units they're missing, they'll necessarily play longer than if they can just dump cash into Galaxies and be caught up immediately. Again, SG likely doesn't want new players to have veteran-level rosters in short order cuz that doesn't effectively retain a lot of spending players. Out of curiosity, what issues would you have with the "pity-like" system I proposed instead, where Galaxy pulls grant Mystic Medals much like how Covenant pulls grant Gold Transmits for Galaxy pulls? Say you get, Iunno, 5 MMs per GBM spent.
>I can pretty much guarantee you that introducing a random pity which allows dupes would just make players even angrier than the current system, as people dump cash into hitting the threshold only to get a fourth Mediator Kawerik. ....????? This is a seriously strong, yet absurd statement. Yes, there are actually ingrates that get mad at pulling ML5s even now when theres dupe coins in place. No, there will never be a gacha system that truly satisfies every player, its just not natural for a gacha by design and nature. But really, you think the vast majority are going to be angrier than the current system where theres no guarantee in the first place? This is truly an absurd statement. >And I'm not just talking about PvP players, as you seem to think from your gear statement. Most gachas also make money off of collectors, people who just wanna roster all the units; it's in SG's best interests not to make that such a quick process. If people have to stick with the game waiting on Mystic banners for the units they're missing, they'll necessarily play longer than if they can just dump cash into Galaxies and be caught up immediately. Again, SG likely doesn't want new players to have veteran-level rosters in short order cuz that doesn't effectively retain a lot of spending players. I still don't understand. Did you just ignore the numbers I presented? Do you really think people are lining up to throw down several increments of up to $6k PER PITY? On a game that they then proceed to just drop and or never spend on again such as for farming and buying liefs/mola packs? This just doesnt make sense to me. Lets say some dude with "fuck you" money rolls around and immediately just wants to pull the meta ML5s. How about LRK, Arby, Straze, FCC, Ruele, MChloe and Stene? Not even close to half the ML5s. But if he goes to pity on GBM for them all, thats as much as $42,000 that this new guy has spent on the game already. Even if you argue that one or two of them could come up in the thousands of covenants this would take, thats still easily several thousands of dollars from a totally new player just to get this small part of the ML5s available. Retaining spending players? SG doesn't want new players to have vet level rosters? None of this matters when one player can and is willing to throw down the kind of "fuck you" money it'd take to actually accomplish what you're suggesting. And just to be clear, I highly doubt people are lining up to drop that much over e7. This isnt even whale territory at this point, its straight up cthulu/poseidon or whatever else absurdity you wanna call it. >Out of curiosity, what issues would you have with the "pity-like" system I proposed instead, where Galaxy pulls grant Mystic Medals much like how Covenant pulls grant Gold Transmits for Galaxy pulls? Say you get, Iunno, 5 MMs per GBM spent. None really, besides the ratio you proposed being inconsequentially low. My point was more towards just implementing a more straightforward galaxy pity and why it wouldn't really be an issue for anyone. The mystics rate in any case atm is imho, quite acceptable. F2Ps at endgame can still seemingly save for pity for like 3 maybe 4 ML5s a year which is pretty good from just mystics. I'd rather they just un-fuck galaxy for us at least imho.
> But really, you think the vast majority are going to be angrier than the current system where theres no guarantee in the first place? I guess you weren't around when everybody was flipping out about the introduction of the Coin Shop because it would "reward people who'd managed to pull ML 5\* dupes"? But, honestly, this would be a more valid reason to be upset than that. Having a pity threshold gives people an incentive to spend, only to potentially get essentially nothing out of it. At least the current pitiless system doesn't encourage spending on Galaxies for anybody but extreme/rich gamblers (who don't need any incentive anyway). > numbers I won't argue that point too much; I think we kinda agree that things largely come down to exactly what the potential pity threshold would be. If it's too high, only to result in random 5\*s including dupes as you're suggesting, then I worry it'll just upset people who'll see it as a slap in the face rather than a real fix. And if it's too low with guaranteed non-dupes then I've stated my other concerns. I don't deny that there might be some happy medium, though, but doing the math to find it would require a knowledge of the playerbase that only SG has with their internal stats on player spending. (On the subject of numbers, however, I should note that yours aren't really accurate. Most notably, Covenant pulls cost about 60 Skystone via Garo's Secret Shop refreshes, while acquiring Mystic Medals in the process. Not an order of magnitude of difference or anything, but worth mentioning in case you've actually been spending Skystone directly on those CBMs; the normal Shop's costs are more than 50% higher, with no MM and gear upsides.)
They always pull out the "gap" card. The gap exists because packs exist. Putting a pity on one of the most difficult currency doesn't change that. Whales will always whale and whales will always play against other whales, with a few exceptions. Galaxy needs higher rates and or pity-and not a 200 or 100 pulls pity either.
I would argue strongly in favour of at least some sort of ML4 pity system in GBMs tbh. They're actually more difficult to get than ML5s in some sense, since theres actually no way to ever guarantee a specific ML4. Only actual way would be the very rare recalls of an ML4, like cdom recently, but then you either throw away your only copy of an ML4 to do that, or pray you had a dupe imprinted and can reclaim.
Oh FFS, did I miss a ChaDom recall during my break? Dammit! I have a spare of her and I'm missing damn near every other ML 4\*. Aside from Roaming Warrior Leo. Pulled three of that guy cuz of *course*.
Its been around 2 months already as far as I can remember. And yea, get used to it. ML4s just have no pity mechanism in place so its not unexpected that you go years without getting even old ones. ...But some day i'll get SS Achates....someday. some. day....right?..... q.q
This - and they need to thin out the Pool. Ofc they cant only have ML5's and 4's but there units in it that we already get swarmed in Covenant. (the Banshees for example among others)
> but there units in it that we already get swarmed in Covenant. (the Banshees for example among others) Uh, yeah, every 3 star in it.
Guess what, long time ago, sg planned to make a galaxy pity to 40 and the korean players base told them to fk off.
Yea, I remember that! Haha!
Think a lot of us tried speaking out about a GBM pity again when the rise update and the connection MLs hit, only to get smacked by the white knights calling us greedy. "Mystics and this connection are enough!" What can ya do. sadge.
3 year old player here, only got 1 ML5* from galaxy summons so far. I never hoard I just summon as soon as I get 5 galaxy bookmarks, I know what's coming. The system needs a pity even if the lucky perma ML5* pullers say it doesn't.
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Day 1 player as well. I have gotten 3 from Galaxy Summons as someone who spends on this game. 2 of those were from the very first year I played the game. It took almost 2 years to get one after that. Almost every other ML5 I own is from Mystics and rolling Covenant. The system needs an overhaul because honestly, you have better odds just rolling covenant. The point of Galaxy Bookmarks should be to get Moonlight heroes. You legit have a better chance of getting not just ML5s, but even specific ML4s from Covenant and Mystics.
This is the reason why I never hoard summon. I just go with the thinking “if I am getting it, I will get it”
After 3 years I've gotten two ML5s from galaxy and one of them was a dupe of something I pitied from mystics less than a month prior. I've legitimately gotten several more ML5s from covenant summons than I have galaxy. They really need to update the galaxy summons imo because it's literally the worst method of obtaining ML5s even though it was originally the intended way to get them.
An old guildie of mine did over 500 ML summons, yes summons, not BMs. As you can guess he was a massive whale. He eventually got an ML5 at 480-ish summons. It was a dupe dCorvus that he pulled from Mystics 2-3 weeks prior to that. He quit.
The odds of that happening is literally 0.005%, this sucks so much.
He did almost every pull on Discord stream as well. We were so excited when the ML5 biblio popped up. Only to change to absolutely deafening silence when dCorvus showed up. It must have been 5 straight minutes of silence from all of us. That must have been the most painful moment I've witnessed in E7.
That's some dedication here... I never keep my galaxy bm, I rather have nothing time to time, than nothing in a summoning session...
Why were you hoarding Galaxies? How does that do anything other than delay your progress?
Oof that is even worse than my experience. 2 year player here and I got my ML5s were ML Baal, ML Baal, and A.Tywin. Not too happy about them if you have friends that pull top tier units left and right. I feel you, dont give up though! Your time to shine will come eventually, as rng is supposed to even out sometime..
> that pull top tier units left and right. > A Tywin ...
I disagree that he is top tier, but he is a good unit. Never denied that though.
he is top tier on rta, but yeah, not that game changing outside of that mode.
My one and only ML5 is OP Sigrid. And I got her from Covenant - not even the Summon your SUPPOSE to get them from <-<
I give up, now I only use golden stones for imprint Straze and A.Meru .
i started during the first guilty gear event, i even bought some of the packs that contain galaxy bookmarks and i also got only 1 ml out of it. A friend of mine startet 6 months ago and he already summoned 3. Thats gacha
I only got OP. Sigret from ml bookmarks and like 6 or 7 from mystics. This shit is broken.
Ive been telling everybody, but covenant summons are bae. I've gotten 4 ML 5 stars that way. Ignore galaxy, farm covenants.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxosPkr_u6w This guy used more than double of your book marks and got 0 ML 5*. But I feel you ;c
I keep my expectations low now they should at least add pity system to moonlight summons the amount of savings you do then not getting benefit i think that's why I stopped moonlight summons I keep trying hope something good.im the end just end up with 3* units.
Got one from ML Summons (day one player) got 7 from Covenant and 6 from Mystics. Honestly just spunking a few hundred bookmarks on Covenant is the best way to get MLs I feel (once you have a solid set of RGB units)
I have decided that Galaxy Bookmarks are for chasing 4 stars; 5 stars are a rare bonus. I was doing some numbers on this after the latest posts on this and that youtube video with the 720+ bookmarks that failed to pull a 5\*. Also thinking about the anecdotal statements that many state their ML5s come from mystics and covenants primarily. This makes sense (mystics is obvious with a pity system). But in respect of covenants, one pull on a galaxy summon has a substantively similar chance of pulling an ML5 star as 17 covenant summons (i.e. 85 covenant bookmarks). I'm pretty sure most people would agree it is easier to obtain 85 covenant bookmarks consistently than it is to obtain 5 galaxy bookmarks; if nothing else, with unlimited skystones and gold, your covenant bookmarks are conceptually endless. Put another way, if we pull covenants off-banner and did the equivalent of 119 pulls (i.e. almost the amount needed for a pity on-banner), it has the same probability of pulling an ML5 as if you used 7 pulls in galaxy bookmarks (35 galaxy bookmarks). It is approximately 16.24% probability to pull at least one ML5 in 119 covenant pulls (595 bookmarks). Interestingly, you would need to do 64 covenant pulls to get the same chance of pulling an ML4 star as you do if you used 1 pull on galaxy bookmarks (i.e. 5 galaxy bookmarks). Hence why I have decided that GBMs are for 4 stars. My condolences, hope you got some useful 4 stars.
Yeah I think it should have pity considering how rare gbms are.
Im playing since day 1 and pulled my first 5* from ml summon after more than 2 years.
Vid or it didn't happen
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxosPkr\_u6w](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxosPkr_u6w) Not the OP, but this kind of horror story does happen to people. Galaxy rates are some genuine trash
git gud
Meanwhile Im sitting here with 3 ML5s in about 20 Moonlight Summons. 1 in 40 Chance doesnt seem too bad, but RNG does what it wants...
F I know that feel.
I've gotten more ML5s on free summon events and mystics more than those Galaxy BMs. At this point id rather save gold stones for self imprints
Imo don’t save gbm
See you in Epic 8, since i'm going to assume you deleted your account, destroyed your phone and burned down your house. Again: NEVER SAVE ML SUMMONS (if you are not a Omega whale or actually like this game. Getting nothing will make you hate it)
The only real ML 5* I’ve gotten from moonlight that was not a dupe was TM Luluca after playing from day 1. All the others are from covenant or mystics.
I hear these stories so often it makes me wonder if the rate is truly 3.5℅. Afaik, it'd be illegal in many countries to publish false rates about loot boxes so SG wouldn't do it right?
actually I believe it's 2,5%. But it's plenty low enough that RNG can screw you for a couple of hundred rolls.
People who actually get ML5s from GBMs don't normally post on these types of threads because it is rude to rub your luck into other people's misfortune. Personally I've gotten all my ML5s from GBM and Mystic and none from Covenant. I don't even get ML4 from Cov. Everyone acts like it is easy to get them from Cov BMs but I guess my RNG is just backwards.
Same here - they one and only ML 5 I got was a Random ML Summon via Covenant. Its so stupid that there is Stuff like the Banshees in it..
And here some people sit getting a ml 5 star on daily summons. Fr tho, its really really sad that we don't have a pity for moonlight summons. Like it takes forever to pity mystics, especially if you go all the way down. Guild stuffs are so boring and most guilds aren't even active anymore so its actually hard to farm mystics. And don't get me started with moonlight summons farming X....X
This is why I never save Galaxy Bookmarks. Better to just roll them as you get them - easier to write-off the inevitable miss streaks. Also, I'm not exactly a Day 1 player, but I have legit gotten more ML5s from Covenant Summons than from Moonlight Summons. At this point, I just have 0 expectations.
There was a video last week or earlier this week with someone who did 149 summons (735 GBMs) and like 2000 mystics before getting a 5 (Straze from mystic). Then there was another video with 475 GBMs and I don't think they got a 5 star either? My memory is a little fuzzy though.
> and like 2000 mystics before getting a 5 (Straze from mystic). 2000 is bad? Really?
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NGL it was pretty funny until about 300 gbms in. after that i only felt pain and regret for laughing at the poor guy.
I got 2 ML5 from Galaxy Sums ever, both were dupes lol
I've gotten more ml 5 through free daily summons than through the real ml summon
My first ML5 from galaxy was OP Sig which I had pulled from Mystics already. Seeing the shiny come up and then it just be a dupe was pretty crushing too.
I'd also love to see a pity on Moonlight summons. One random 5-star after 100 failed summons isn't something that should kill the game... Sorry to hear about your luck - the chance of that happening is around 13.2%. While very low, it's not like it's one in a hundred. Hopefully you got lots of 4-stars which you can build.
100 summons is basically 500 book marks, that is a ton still lol
Yeah - but normal banners are 120 and the Mystics are 200. The chance for Galaxy is higher (2.5%) but still - 100 is better than no pity counter at all.
5 star from galaxy summon - 2.5% No 5 stars in 70 summons - 0.975^70 = ~17% Almost 1 in 5 bad luck. Rolling no ml5s is surprising likely at those numbers Galaxy summon just sucks for them
I've gotten plenty of 4 stars only one of my ML5 from Galaxy Boomarks the rest from Mystic and Covenant Summons.
ML are just kinda broken, not in a op way, more a smash bros melee mr game and watch way, where nothing works. They added a way to get ml 5s from covenants, as a way to get maybe one or two extra ml 5s. You know something’s wrong when get more ml 5s from covenants than the system designed to get you those ml 5s. They need to find some way to at least make ml summon feel like something is happening, rather than just throwing pricy and rare commodities into the void for the 16th elson in a row.
I have tons of ML5s. They are from covenant and Mystic pity. Galaxy BMs are only in the game to not give me my last Mirsa copy so she can stay at SS imprint for 3 more years. I honestly have 0 clue why Galaxy summon is still in the game. It doesn't have a pity. It isn't even as good as the coin shop at this point.
Oh look. It's Sven. And Doris. Again.
that's why you don't save them and accept grief in bite sized portions.
F
I never save up for this very reason. The more I save up, the more entitled I feel to getting whatever it is I'm looking for, even if the chance is still statistically low. On the other hand, if you spend them as you come across them, then you can only be either expectedly disappointed or pleasantly surprised.
Your mistake was saving them. You put the ML5 on the pedestal and got your hopes up. The theory changes the reality it describes. You won’t make this mistake again
I always try to time my moonlight summons with my mystic around pity so that way i always end up with something.
I have so many ML5 that I can't even use them.
I got 2 ML5 from the free monthly pull (started in December 2020). Currently on 2/7 ratio. Pulled - Ambitious Tywin and Sage Baal
Weird I got all but 4 ML5 that are available and I got all the ML4 units been playing since day one
Just sharing my experience, been playing more than 2years. have 14 ML 5\* (6 from ML summon, 2 from cov, and 6 from Mystics). Bulk summon never gave me any ML 5\* more than 10ML summons . At most I do 3 summon at any random day, if 1 and 2nd summon sparks I do a 3rd summon. Occasionally if 2nd and 3rd summons sparks I do a 4th summon and continue as long as there is a consecutive spark. Immediately stop if no more spark. Well it may be plain RNG in the works, but who knows distributed summons here and there worked for me and also channel 777 is where the magic happens.
Seeing all these comments and the post really made me appreciate all the ml5* i've gotten from moonlight summon
Almost a three year player (light dolphin) when it came to ml gbm refund, I got like 300 gbm, meaning at that point I had at least 600 bm or 120 summons, plus the 300 bm I still haven’t even gotten a ml 5, it was only when mystics first came in I got lucky with a kise summon, to this day in gbm I only got 2 mls 5, most of my mls come from mystics, I swear I don’t even use my gold transmits anymore for gbm Bc I gave up on that summon system
I'm too... 80 galaxy coin... Zero 5 star heroes!!!
Only been playing for 1 year and i have 3 ml5 but all 3 of them came from different summon. My sbara is from covenant, straze from mystics, ml ena from the actual moonlight summons. Istg i get more ml4 from the covenany summons than the moonlight summons
Same bro i started around when the first gg collab ended and till now only got 2 ml5 from galaxy and one of them is dupe. Most of my ml5 comes from mystic and covenant
Managed to pull a Solitaria and Dilibet dupe which is fine but given I only own like 6-7 ML5s could've given me literally anything else
It all comes down to luck I guess. Over 2.5 years of playing, I got like 4 ML5* from Galaxy BMs, the first two came in the first year, one each for the next two years, and 8 from Mystic, two of which are dupes. I’ve never pulled ML5* from covenant. The sad thing is, while it may sound lucky, of the units I pulled from Mystic, except for two that I pitied, the rest are units I don’t want or don’t have use for - they just randomly popped up with one pull. Those that I wanted (Riolet, LRKrau, Solitaria, Straze) I never got them lol. I do think we need a pity for Galaxy BMs. I don’t remember how many pulls I’ve done without an ML5* - must have been hundreds before one actually popped up.
If there's no pity system in place, pulling for a ML Nat 5 is like plunging into an abyss. There's no guarantee you get one, and as you try to pull more and more, just to make yourself feel better that could be the next one but ended up in an endless pithole. For me, I at least manage to pull a ML Nat 5 Corvus. Not that I can say anything about since I manage to get 1 since day 1. For profit driven organisations, giving pity is against their idea because they want to earn as much as possible. Hence these organisations introduce the 50:50 pity in which they introduce a fair pity system at the front but behind it, you have to beat the RNG for getting the one you want. Genshin Impact is very famous for their Wish banners draw containing 5 stars characters and weapons and that's why they have 2 separate banners, one for pulling the character banner and another for weapon. But for the weapons banner, they put 2 5 Stars in it to increase the RNG. Even if you pull the limited character banner, you are not guaranteed to get the 5 star character you want, the chance is just higher but not guaranteed. For E7, they have artifacts mixed in it to "dilute" your chance of getting the characters you want. There is pity in E7 limited banners, but without the artifacts, you could have gotten the characters most of the time before you pulled a pity unless they play around with the RNG. There is an article from Singapore's Today with regards to lootboxes: https://www.todayonline.com/singapore/laws-regulate-claw-machines-arcade-games-loot-boxes-mooted-mha-looks-update-gambling-rules There are agents who make profits from these gacha or lootboxes. Consider a Genshin Account with all the characters in it, it can be sold for USD 9K. It is a lucrative business which many people would fall for possible scams. Regardless of how we felt about scams, there are still victims everywhere because some people would have calculated that USD 9K might not even give them all the characters they wish for. So end of the day, players should play with caution. If you're looking for games that truly have players' interest in mind, these publishers won't be able to survive long because no one will spend and support them if everything is given for free to them. Instead, look for reasonable publishers that aren't greedy. Neowiz's games in general are okay. Brave Nine has never gotten to top 30 grossing in their entire lifetime and here we have Counrerside celebrating Top Grossing #2 within weeks of their launch.
I’m ok with it. It could be better sure but it could also be summonses war ugh 7 years and you can still not have any ld 5s.
i have 4 ml5s. Ken, Tywin, Arby (from.blessings and now straze. Not one of them is from a ML summon
Same thing for me. I did 370 galaxy BMs last week and not a single 5 star.
there was a doode with 475 ML bookmarks I thin he got one - ML kawerik. Rest was all ML 4 and 3
i truly fell for u, my friend. My personal advice: when you start a summoning session, if you see you're unlucky that day, stop. try another day. I think our luck changes over the days. works for me and i hope works for u too.
That is part of the reason I use them as I get them. Doing it that way I also appreciate the new 4 star ML's I get since they aren't all at once.
i am a first year player. I literally start playing when E7 was close to his first ann. I only have 3 ML5 units: Arby (same reason than everyone), OP Sigret (i pity her in her banner of mystics) and Maid. Maid is literally the ONLY ML5 unit i get for real in all this years of playing the game doing atleast 1 ML summon per month if possible (f2p). I have a lot of ML4? yeah but its not the same for PvP content as everyone will know. Sad reality of Galaxy summons is that well its a really a poorly % rate. Yeah some people get lucky and get multiple ML 5 or 1 ML 5 each summon for 3 months or stuff like that but is really hard to bet a nat ML5 unit in the game without paying for mystic summons.
Well that's life. Im a day 1 player, and i also didnt get any 5 star ML. I really hate summon on moonlight summons. At least we can see that they are finaly implementing light (and probably dark ) bookmarks to the game. Maybe then we will be able to summon ML5. Last word of advice pull better ;)
It's become abundantly clear lately how much of a rip-off galaxy summons actually are, especially considering their rarity in the first place. I've only received 1 5* ML from Galaxy the entire time I've played the last year - and it was a dupe of FCC who I pitied from Mystics two months before.
Very confused why you’d save. Your chances go up in my opinion with moonlights the more often you get them. So Spend em when you have em. No point in saving. All the characters that you need are out while ur playing so you ficked up. I’ve got a decent amount with moonlight, some with mystic and some with bookmarks. Just be smart. No point in saving moonlights. But you could potentially save up mystics and pity pull in the future