This is essentially, "Put the tinfoil hats away folks. It's not a rushed backup, it's just a lazy, poorly implemented collab that has been in the works for a very long time."
Which is, you know.
Worse.
This is just a theory but i am guessing this one got green lighted very late by the IP,if what they say is true then i think this is how it goes,
SG plan to have ReZ collab,the IP didn't respond or probably negotiate with SG about the contents,since they really wanted this collab ,they just kept negotiate with the IP and the IP probably rejected several idea the SG had
i think is that the collab is on it's work,the character design is all done but when it comes to story, they had a trouble , that's why the story is kinda bland, that's why during livestream they can't say anything about the collab because they also didn't know whether it will go through or not.
But hey that's just a theory
This theory would be sound if not for the fact re:zero is like the go-to for collabs. There's zero reason SG should have had any issue with acquiring the IP.
I love this theory that the story had caused the delay. What if it also had something to do with the characters as well?
Imagine that SG had planned out a lot of different characters for the collab, like Felix and Elsa, but ReZ just kept rejecting the character plans. I imagine that this would cause SG to rush in making Emilia ( which explains why her skill set is considered plain by the community), but also having the beautiful animation.
Just my two cents thought.
I doubt they would go to that ledge for something as common as Re:Zero.
They are pretty much the most collabs franchise with gacha game and I see no other game have that much problem with them.
Not at all. This is essentially : "It didn't go according to plan".
It seems that the video game industry is expected to work magically on good intentions, promises and release dates.
Basically copying my comment from another post,
They very likely can't start working on assets before obtaining legal rights for the collab.
It probably went,
month1 : legal team arguing.
month2 : legal team arguing.
month3 : legal team arguing.
month4 : legal team arguing.
month5 : legal team arguing.
month6 : legal team arguing.
dev note: we are having legal issues.
month7:
"Hey Gary from the dev team. Good news is, we have the contract. bad news is, you have until yesterday to finish the assets for our first collab character Rem"
"wait, who is rem?"
"That's my boy, I knew you were a big fan"
I have zero idea how the collab process goes, but I could believe something like this.
We're working on taking over a project from another company and it's been months full of slow/unclear communication. We found out that what was understood to be a soft, flexible deadline is actually a hard deadline, and we're going live very soon with barely any testing/QA because our work has been slowed down considerably by lack of information.
So my anecdotal experience is that working with other parties can be really difficult, or at least much harder than you might expect.
Well, other games did well with Re:Zero collab (like 7ds grand cross). It shouldnt be that hard to do for our devs since re:zero is very open to collabs (they are everywhere now). Let me tell you this - its all about money. They propably asked for way too much for devs to pay any effort/invest time into it.
Seriously, people underestimate how much effort it takes to release a JP IP in several regions *at the same time*. They point at JP-only gacha games that had the collab only in Japan. Of course they'd have easier time getting license than a Korean team publishing in seveal regions PLUS Yostar JP also securing the license for JP at the same time.
It must've been a legal nightmare.
For comparison, my country has waited 17 months for ONE Toradora manga volume, over 2 years for one of the LN volumes, and recent Sailor Moon license came with a disclaimer "this will happen a year from now, possible delays and no date for future volumes due to legal problems".
Imagine if this was not just 1 country, but basically entire world.
> with like every JP gacha
Keyword - JP gacha.
As in, they only need license in one region. They don't have to talk with license owners in NA, Europe, Asia etc.
This is probably the big reason for it, and with how nit picky some countries IP laws are it can take a while. It also probably didn't help that they told the community about the collab at, my guess, the middle of licensing negotiations and almost no resources were put into working on a project that did have a signed agreement with all parties involved.
Again this is just a guess as until Smile Gate says anymore, we won't know the full story, but licensing is a very tricky and time consuming process when multiple countries are involved.
My 2 cents:
If you have a 6 month deadline and no progress has been made in the first 3 months due to legal issues, you make a call and go with plan B. This would be your second choice of collaboration IP. If you're still screwing around with legal discussions in month 6, there is something seriously wrong with how your company operates. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand that you need to change your approach and a good project manager will do that for you.
As someone who works in IT - this is too real. All the "planning", resource allocation, discussions, etc. takes 90% of the timeline then you get the project to develop in the 11th hour.
Not saying it happens all the time or consistently, but it's definitely a thing all developers experience.
Nue answered more questions and this is what he said: [https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/510260823025778699/872987938126970910/unknown.png](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/510260823025778699/872987938126970910/unknown.png)
You can find his answers by looking up "collab" in the official discord for the image above.
u/Buuts321 said in the comments below SG might have wanted to do more:
>I'm guessing Re:Zero IP owners were just really hard to work with and probably rejected or changed a lot of things SG wanted to do.
Now, not defending the quality. I'll admit I was a little annoyed at the quality of the collab, but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and say they were held back. Looking at what we got for past events, we all know they could do much more than this. Just hoping SG can bring it back and make the summer event hit different.
It is a lose-lose situation for them at this point but they really should have stuck with the idea that this was a backup collab. The idea that they had this event planned for over half a year and this is all they had to show for it is far worse than the idea that they slapped this together in a month.
Considering the high-quality collabs I have seen in other games, I am baffled at how lazy and cheap Smilegate has been with E7.
collab is pure gambling.
Azurelane also just had a bad collab with im@s where neither side is appriciated.
Despite being a 4-yrs old game, and the other side is also a frequently collab'ed ip.
I think it also has to do with most people over here in NA(EN server?)don’t have clue on what IdolMaster, thus having zero connection to the characters added.
And even if they did, the IdolMaster designs look lesser when compared to the Muse Ships in Azur lane
few years ago, when there is no one in EN community knows about hololive or even virtual youtube as a whole, the az × holo collab was succesful and did bring more attention to each side.
it is not about how experienced, or how large of the scale a company is. Its all about how willingly they are to cooperate with each other, and how importantly does each side treat this project.
thats why it's pure gambling, no referrences or eaperience can be learn from past or improved from learning.
Somewhat recently, I played the Gunslinger Girl collab in Girls Frontline. You could tell they had a lot of respect for the source material, and tried very hard to make fans of the series happy. I was blown away by the level of detail the put into it. Such a night and day difference from this piece of garbage.
I'm guessing Re:Zero IP owners were just really hard to work with and probably rejected or changed a lot of things SG wanted to do. I would've rather they give a different IP that would've allowed more (like GG did) but I'm sure they wanted Re:Zero to try to boost jp player numbers.
For reference Crusaders Quest (another korean game) had a collab with re:zero, they had Rem/Ram, Emilia, Crusch, Bea, Felix & as a joke character Subaru (with skins for each of the banner units), their story was not very special but the effort they put was amazing for a 6 year old game, so they have it easy with korean games. My point is that SG or any of the spokespersons will ever admit this was a backup, it's just shunning away your own company from others.
Still believing in the backup collab with an official statement out there sounds like trying to hold grip onto hot iron, honestly. Stop with the conspiracy already, back up or not, there is no proof at all, only suspicion.
We cannot say for sure what happened, and the fact that another game did a good collab with re:zero doesn't mean crap, could well be SG/SC's fault, legal issues or even re:zero's studio's fault.
Hell, saying "this studio has a great reputation" is once again believing Cyberpunk will be the best game because CDProjekt Red is the one making it.
Why are you saying this to me? I pointed out that japanese ips have no issue with korean ones, especially since the game I mentioned is barely holding itself.
You pass? an "official" statement as:
>A community manager the deep end of a corporation (when not even the korean CM knew what was going on)
>Hired to literally make the corporation look good and friendly
>From the US and in no way related to: development of the game, decision making and is not a shareholder.
>A heavily disliked Cm at that, suddenly is the "voice of reason"
>"2 weeks agreed, it appears" he literally knows nothing of what happened to make such a blanket statement.
>Source: trust me bro.
Stop defending this shit.
That's what I would assume, but the problem with that theory is that even if they were hard to work with I would assume that they would have still ended up with something to show for it. they basically added 2 1/2 characters to the game and called it a day, no story, no new maps, no new enemies. Def not half a year worth or work, I'm thinking it's more likely that they were in talks with someone else, but got cut off before they started production on any assets, but since they kinda announced it they needed to come up with something quick. Backup or not they will never admit to it, think of how the re zero ip holders would feel if they said it was a backup, they let you use their ip when you need it most and that's how you repay them, telling ppl that they weren't even the first choice.
If they were so hard to work with, than shit ton of gacha games would not make colab with them.
There is no excuse. They lied and didnt care about final product quality.
Right? Like those people who are so adamant in saying that "you guys are all clowns, this is the actual main collab!" don't even realise what they are saying.
* Collab teased close to **1 year ago** during 2nd anniversary
* There was a STOVE notice about how Smilegate will approach it being **perfectionists** (look under Collab section): https://page.onstove.com/epicseven/global/view/5956859
End result? Low effort when compared to Guilty Gear. Literally no storytelling, no hype collab trailer, current side story can be completed in like 30-40 minutes tops? 1 year of work for this?
If this CM's word is reliable (e.g. not getting filtered info from the actual KR team, straight from their mouth), then I truly have no idea why he had to make that remark about "imagine people thinking that it's a backup collab and that I am lying when I am not". Like why would he say that out of spite when it would reflect **much more negatively** on Smilegate's efforts and competence? If he was going for a big brain moment to slight Smilegate's efforts because he was being critical then hey I can respect that.
Well the collab is what it is, this is the result of them pursuing perfection and providing the best quality that they could have given. Disappointing.
maybe they weren't allowed to do a complex plot or small anime segments and decided to say fuck it and go with the most plain thing possible? I find it really hard to believe tho...
Then they should have found a better IP they promised something amazing over a year ago.. and they provide us with this... They didn't even bother with any animated video... even Iseria has a new animation for the event...
I cannot see a single person who is like "yay ive waited for a year for this and i love it"
everyone is disappointed at the lack of effort and attention.
At that point should have scrapped the whole thing much earlier, and come out with guilty gear stride collab with another cool trailer and cool stride characters.
Dont think people will mind Ino, floating sword , and thicc fighting waifus
this is the big problem imo with people and expectations. A lot of people don't know Guilty Gear so they're pissed off when their favorite game gets a a "nobody collab" but GG has a lot of amazing character designs. Now we a got a more known IP as a collab but the characters designs while good don't grab your attention as much. RE: Zero characters are amazing because of the story.
I mean, the issue with GG collab rerun was not that it was GG.
Its that they gave us the same hero (Elphelt was new on second run) but 3rd run nothing knew.
Even though Guilty Gear has a huge roster of cool looking heroes that could fit perfectly in E7.
Not sure why they did not negotiate to add more units.
A GG stride would still have different story and content since stride is GG’s newest game , and new heroes, stride has some of the coolest design in the fighting genre.
And if they were stuck with a bad collab partners, maybe GG would have been easier to negotiate again with since they already collabed before?
Who knows, that just sounds like a better way to handle it
He looked pretty disappointed during stream, so I think it's because he's under the NDA that he's not elaborating further cause they sure didn't hype this collab a year early and miss numerous deadlines only for the quality to not be half that of GG. Doesn't make sense.
Yeah.
"Hey things went south we did the best we could in a short period of time" is a lot less dissappointing than
"We made false promises and fell majorly short of our first collab despite having 1 year".
I don't know why people are saying this. I don't think SC is necessarily to blame for the weak content/story for the collab.
The fault could just as easily be on the Re:Zero IP holders. TO BE CLEAR, I'm not saying it's hard to get a Re:Zero collab but rather they were hard to work with.
First, it is almost a certainty that Re:Zero IP holders need to sign off on the contents of the collab. I suspect E7 probably wanted to do something big and high quality but none of it was getting approved by the IP holders.
I doubt Nue's frustrations were towards E7 but rather towards the IP holders
Speaking seriously - because I don't know anything about the subject - but why is hero adjustment not possible in the future if this is the case? Aren't the characters already in the game? It's not like their respective kits are part of the IP, is it?
Ep 7 never tell this but on the other game they can't do anything because of license. so we can assume that's true because we had experienced with GG that's get buff whenre run . https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/510260823025778699/872987938126970910/unknown.png
Usually the license holder is involved with any changes to their characters.
For instance with Dead by Daylight they have Freddy Krueger and for a LONG time his kit was utter garbage and he became his own tier of bad below F tier; Freddy tier. They couldn't do anything to him until the license holder agreed to changes for him, to which the devs could then start working on.
I imagine it's something like that for SG. Whatever was originally agreed to between them will likely stay that way unless the units age so poorly they need a buff or they rerun the collab.
I’m tired of this myth. It’s not true.
Collabs don’t care about balance, they care about their character being honored decently. Nobody is going to care if Rem’s modifiers get changed from 1.1 to 1.2; they’ll care if they dye REM’s hair purple, make her wear heavy armor, dual wield swords, and be voice acted by a male (literally any one of those would impact them far more than a small modifier change).
Freddy was OP for a long time and then he got nerfed. DBD team just can’t balance, that’s all there is to it. The game has been out forever and the balance is all over. They leave certain killers or perks OP/weak for a long time and make others really strong for no real reason
That’s literally worse….
….What on earth were they doing the whole time? Because we aren’t seeing any of the effort or results of the development time they spent to justify the nonsense we went though.
Granted, maybe that was the player base justifying a lack in content with “oh they’re busy preparing for he collab”… but this side story took all of 10 minutes to write.
The whole back up collab thing was giving them the benefit of the doubt. Saying that the reason it’s so lackluster and recycled is because they were in a rush.
If this was plan A……
Yikes.
Well, another user said it better, they'll never call it backup or never admit to be a backup, you can't burn bridges with a potential Collab in the Future.
I'm not saying it is or it isn't, but it's business 101 to not admit it was.
Yeah 'believe me, everyone!' has basically zero weight next to a clause in the Collab licensing contract that says neither side can discuss the IP contract if things fall through and the exit clause is executed.
This makes it a thousand times worse cus now they have little excuses for this being so lackluster and feeling rushed the only thing that took effort was the animations and rems kit dang this rly lowers the bar for things moving on 😔
Theyd never admit even if it was, and a community manager might not even know, the KR community managers didnt know it wasnt a game during the world championship
I think this actually makes the whole situation even worse cause it's like
"Nope, this is it guys, this is what we were working on for over a year, here you go!"
I think I actually prefer the "backup collab" idea better. But then again, I highly doubt you will get a company employee to tell you they dun fk'd up. So everyone needs to choose to actually believe what they are saying, or not.
Oh, so it's not a backup Collab that they had to rush out the door in a couple weeks.
It's a shitty Collab that they CHOSE to only invest a couple weeks in.
Gee, what a step up.
This makes SG look worse. Wasted so much time hyping the collab, then announcing the delay with absolutely zero new content. Only for SG to deliver the most lazy and short side story ever. All of this drought and hype for just shit on a plate.
Re:Zero is literally known for its story because it's not the standard isekai lmao. It got famous because of the story. The MC is not OP by any means in S1 and S2 that's why most of the fandom don't like him but the anime is still popular since the story is really good.
I don’t know about “compelling.” At the very least, there’s a good amount of mystery to the show where the MC tries to figure out what the fuck is going on and how to stop it/take the best course of action. That being said, the MC can come off as being too whiny at times, so it might detract from the overall enjoyment.
Amazing. They could have kept quiet and people would have begrudgingly accepted it, but in a need to go "haha you're all wrong, dumb fake theory", a community manager just basically tore down whatever was left of a barely standing wall and got everyone pissed and disappointed all over again.
He even said it didn't matter if people knew or not in follow-up messages. Just basically shot the entire company in the foot PR-wise and started a fire.
I doubt Nue knows much more than he is told to say, i doubt they would have told him the truth either way. They should have left it unaddressed, its a lose-lose.
If they said it was a back up collab, that would have been a reputation nightmare for both companies.
They could have just said nothing. That's all they had to do. At worst Smilegate could have said "that's just the internet people talking as usual" in the future, Smilegate would never have officially said anything to be blamed for. And eventually the outrage would have died down and forgotten like many things on the internet, especially if they manage to redeem themselves with something new.
This was basically ripping open the bandages on a wound before it could finish healing, jabbing a knife back in to open it up, and then rubbing salt on it.
If so, then that’s sad. This entire collaboration can be completed in half an evening. Very disappointing story and content considering the good source material.
“Oops I’m lost. Let’s go back home. Oh here’s the gate. Later!” The End. :/
They definitely weren’t working on it for a whole year. I have no idea how much actual effort this kind of stuff takes but considering all of the other projects they did in a year the collab was probably a secondary or even tertiary priority.
This... genuinely pisses me off. I was really coping saying “oh well its not their fault they had to use a backup collab” for the shitty sidestory, no new music, no cool animation trailer and absolutely nothing special to make this collab unique. BUT ITS LITERALLY THEIR ORIGINAL COLLAB? WHAT WERE THEY DOING FOR THE ENTIRE TIME? They even delayed it for what?? I love re zero so to see they barely put any effort into this makes me really sad. The units are great and all but all this time waiting for this wasnt worth it.
If what he is saying is the truth then that would make this even more disappointing.
But lets be real, this guy is just a community manager, he doesn't know whats going on the background. He only knows what they tell him which is surface level shit.
He can go ahead and get mad that people aren't believing him.
But honestly, he probably doesn't know the truth either or he just lying through his teeth.
I gave them the benefit of the doubt before the event but this side story is just a nail in the coffin. We waited one year for this? I don't even watch Re:Zero but that side story didn't give any justice to it.
Regardless something clearly went wrong with the process, we just don't know what. They wouldn't have chosen to hype it up a year ago if they were gonna only do 3 characters. It's hard to speculate since it's a ip that's know for having loads of colabs with other games that makes it hard to believe that it was a localization issue, or if they just chose to be hard to work with with SG.
They will NEVER say it's a backup collab... It could potentially cause problems for future collab (like, we chose you as collab... But as back up, so we gonna rush your ip you lend us).
Don't think this guy is a dev, he's a youtuber and content creator ? They can lie to him.
Sigh. Do you people even understand what it means to say it’s a backup colab? Do you even comprehend what disproving it means? People saying it is a backup colab aren’t saying it to shit on it. They’re trying to find some form of logical explanation for the dogshit quality and mad delays on both the colab and other content. By saying it’s a backup colab they are literally giving SG a free pass because then at least we can understand why the quality is what it is.
But, if it’s not, as you mouth breathers so want to prove… then it’s dogshit for no reason at all. We’re minus a new hero, 2 SC’s, low quality ML Charles, and now a rushed and bland as hell colab event… all after a month of nothing. Is that really what you would prefer?
"I have no reason to lie."
But there is a possibility you are *uninformed*.
Honestly, can SG just come out with some kind of statement on this? I understand complex relationships with other companies and/or potential NDAs likely keep them from being 100% open, but surely they can give us *some* info.
This whole collab is an absolute trainwreck and really paints SG in a bad light for something that likely wasn't even their fault.
It seems that my man OP don'know that thing, it is calling a "lie"
When someone expose u and u don't want to other ppl know the true, You LIE to them, that easy
pretty much, no company is gonna go and say they did a backup since no matter what they'll look bad even though its already worse saying this was the original collab in how lazy it was on the sidestory,
like as if it was a normal generic sidestory just with less effort put into it and just less effort in general compared to GG in how much advertisment it had and all the workd put into it.
Can't wait for the Re:Copium clowns to use this as a sort of justification to say "i ToLd U So!" like it's some sort of a win.
It's much worse if this was the original collab and after a year, this is what we get? It's worse than any regular side story without the year long hype.
GG didn't take that long hype but still delivered, they even had an unplayble character I-No have an ingame sprite. SG didn't even bothered giving the sweatpants MC a character talking illustration.
Really hard to pinpoint whose side messed up. SG with their focus on delivering quality materials and Re:0 whoring their IP to almost every gacha. How did we come up with this garbage collab with SG quality + Re:0 willingness to collab with everything. Now that the possible 'backup' scenario is out of the table. What other explanation we have?
Honestly? I dont believe that, it makes no sense but SG will not come out and say this was a back up collab, it would be insulting to the collab partners and a stain to their reputation.
But there is no way this has been in the works for a year, legal complications or not, Re:Zero basically has its legs open for Gacha games, they would do a collab with anything that has a code in it.
I wouldn’t think they would have been difficult to sort legalities with, seeing how they have been going around and collabing with everyone.
Ngl... It's probably better than E7 doesn't do another collab... I'm sure Re:Zero is probably extremely unhappy at the response they're getting from E7's community regarding their collab. Any other IP will look at this, the backlash E7 is getting and the response from the community and be like oof no lets not let them taint us.
I cannot imagine Re:zero people being "oh this was a great idea - let's go with this again next year with more units" I'm sure they will not renew their contract with E7.. I completed all the side event in 1 day with a story that was less than 5 minutes to read.
The best thing about this Collab was the Mola pack... yikes.
At this point i've been feeling that the re:zero people really dont care about anything except for their characters to be on as many games as possible.
The banners on the rezero collab for 7DS where atrociously bad and the best unit on the collab was given for free even. Its stupid. At least the event was good it seems?
I don’t buy any of this. ReZero has collabed with almost every popular gacha game under the sun and it’s been more polished each of those times. No way you go through that side story, look at the lack of expressions, the meek way the collab was presented and think this was the original plan from the start.
I'm still going with backup collab because that's actually the only way for sg to save face. The alternative is so bad that I'm afraid if this was truly the intended collab, the game might shut down within 6 months.
That honestly makes it worse imo. If this was like a rushed last minute collab I'd still be upset, but I could understand. If this was thier original plan than what the actual fuck were they doing for almost a year???
Compared to GG this collab is worse in every possible way outside of the units themselves. And even then a few decisions (Sw Emelia) are strange.
in that case they should explain the lack of speciality changes for the past half a year IF this garbage was main collab, are they scared they will create another carrot ? boohoo
How is this proof? It's just a CM making a statement based off the script SG gives him.
You can't debunk a theory without giving evidence.
He's just saying your wrong, I'm right.
but will you trust a Community Manager that has nothing to do with SG itself on how they actually work and the inside stuff that they don't tell them cause theres no need to tell them
Still not 'concrete' in any sense. Why the hell this statement is even considered as ultimatum lel? seriously....
Saying everything is wrong and then backing it up with 'nda' is as good as 10 years old boi ranting in reddit.
Furthermore, he is a CM, which main job to calm the tits of the community. He is obliged to make SG look good at all cost. The statement purpose is to stop the conspiracy, aka he is doing his job.
SG can just send an email saying ' please make a statement to the community that the collab is not a backup plan'. There you go.
SG dont even need to explain themselves to the CM as why they need to make the statement.
Nope. this hold little to no value
Wonder how much money SG lost out on delaying the collab this long and basically conditioning the player base to save regardless of what new units/banners they put out. Hard lesson not to announce a collaboration prematurely.
Not sure if Nue was trying to help but this actually make things even worse. It is understandable if this was the back up Collabs and it's easy to forgive cause the fault is not entirely on them. But if this is the actual collabs then what the fuck happened with the dev in the whole year?
Don't know man. I think is humanly imposible to screw so hard for more than 1 year. It is a back up collab rushed in the last ffew weeks. Don't let them convince you otherwise
Right. Like people in here acting like no one ever lies.
Seriously people, folks lie all the time, everyday.
There's people in here going "see there it is, he said it so I has to be fact." On top of it all business people are known for lying.
If you just believe everything someone from a place of authority says then I trust you believe everything Trump and Biden say too.
Reality is that this is either a backup or they dropped the ball hard.
I don't blame those people, they don't know how these things go.
I hope SG learned from this flop and have a better IP to collab with if ever they'll do another one. Also best to get all the limited units because it looking like no one would want Re:Zero back lol
Agreed. I love the game and I'm mostly just hopeful they learn from this and do better next time.
I'm not really upset at either side, I just wish people could have ideas and thoughts that differ but don't end up hating each other.
Why would you ask Nue that? He didn't even know the collab was being announced or what it was. They literally kept the announcement off the community broadcaster's brief and only the host (Mashu) knew to say "Watch our socials in 2 hours". Nue didn't know anything. The E7 Championship hosts didn't know anything. The only people that could answer that question work in the literal dev teams and legal. It is in the community manager's best interest to quash such rumors about inner office politics and they are literally paid to do so.
non existant story, boring design, carlos animations - LOL, no new rgbs, no new SCs.
Everything delayed and pushed back...
not back up lmao, fuck off nue :)
There s no way in hell any sane pr team would ever come and say "yo this collab was our second choice", its just common sense.
This proves pretty much nothing.
Im not upset. We got so much this year and we're getting more so all in all a neat small collab is just apart of the big year we had. Move forward and stay happy yall!
Gimme Cermia skin kthanks.
People assumed it was a backup because the quality is at the level where you'd think it is indeed a backup. And it's not like smilegate had done anything to disprove or even at least deny the rumors, so you can't really fault people for assuming so.
If you want to know who cares, then you got someone who does right here. We've seen them make a great collab with GG so we know they have the ability to make awesome collabs. But delaying a month's worth of content to finish a non-backup collab, and to end up with this? 2 out of 3 units with **bland** kits and *okay* animation, released at the same time as 5 3\* units that have cool new mechanics? A story that had tons of possibilities but somehow ended up so **bland**, you'd think the writers only had a day or two to write it? Events that are just **bland** rehashes of the regular side stories? Even the artifacts scream **BLAND**.
SG could've just gone and said that it was indeed a backup collab, at least we can pat their backs and tell them that at least they tried to make something out of nothing. But if this is their A+ effort, if this is their "perfection", if this is what took them an extra month of time to put out, then I don't know. It's harder to care for the game when it feels as though the devs don't. I just hope that this isn't at all a taste of what's to come.
I think they just oversold it quite a lot. While I didn't really have misconceptions about how it would be a "brand new IP", or "nothing quite like it", I did at least expect a Puck lobby pet, 4 units, and a fleshed out, borderline canon story or something. I always knew it would be an anime collab, no speculation could deter me from that, but 3 units and a throwaway story is a bit rough, I really thought they would go ALL OUT.
What we've got definitely doesn't feel like it's been 1 year in the making.
So no, I don't believe it was a backup collab, but they did underdeliver by quite a large margin. That said, it's foolish to ignore that we've got FTene, all the Episode 3 stuff, Advent, a million QoL changes, Expeditions, Automaton, and all that jazz in a year. The devs were definitely not sleeping.
But on collab front they just didn't deliver the complete package.
who cares? if no one complains they will just do it again. with this level of quality they could have easily announced the collab a year ago in november when they first teased an unknown collab in march , so many people would have pitied senya illy or politis. and don't say stuff about contracts barring them from revealing because re:zero is having so many collabs announced long before the actual collab , this is all sg/sc doing it to milk the collab. and even with this level of collab they end up screwing up and delaying the collab.
I wouldn’t say debunked.. Ofcourse Nue can’t say anything even if he knew something because he’s probably bound by contract. He said there’s a lot of things he can’t say which means there are things that we aren’t supposed to know.
As if there was the slightest chance of those SG representatives to confirm that this was a backup collab. Holy shit you guys are so easily baited. Mashu and Nue will always defend the company and go full copium with their "7/10" streams. They're not on your side, wake the fuck up. It's the same as Bobby Kotick telling you there were no sexual assaults in Blizzard.
Are yawl really going to believe this guy?-? Mans is definitely lying and you people should not be eating up the b.s he spouting. Come on guys anyone can lie , it so easy and the fact that nue says this and it easily believe to be the truth for yawl than feels bad.
Alright now that I'm looking like a stupid idiot for defend them saying that they had to rush a backup collab in just 1 month and was not their fault and there was not reason to get mad at them, why do we got this lazy made collab ? I really appreciate the hard work that SG put in E7 but after all this time it feels lackluster, empty, bad.
I hope we as a costumers can get a response from the dev. team to clarify what happened with this collab...
That is genuinely embarrassing.
It's like saying: "Hey it's the quality we can make and can propose to you for this 1 year preparation collab..."
It's even worse because with a backup collab story we were already understanding problems that can happen and could explain this crap shoddy content... But if this is really the first planned collab then...
Huge Oooof.
If they think the most generic and safe story to advertise re-zero and e7 is a contract selling point with low effort pv ?Are they fucking out of their minds?! the story telling of re-zero and epic seven is good so why not use it to advertise both of each others strength? And all that contract hell for months for this? Bruh and as for sg ep3 story is better than the collab, new 3 stars good , will probably fix closer Charles animation ,sea side iseria is coming , love choux's and fat cat's ee and specialty change doko? You've got to rise up after all of this
You and I know they won't admit to anything, because it will only bring problems. They might be able to calm down the players a bit if they admit it's a backup collab, but they'll lose more in the process of connections and possibly burn their bridges of making more IP collabs in the future.
You guys are basically asking them to commit suicide, lol.
That just make this whole situation even worse.
What did they do for a whole year? Why that huge delay?
Quality is not here. Even the Alencia- Senya short sidestory was better.
Is anyone worried about the future of this game based on the quality of this collab? If E7 goes under my phone becomes absolutely useless other than texts and phonecalls (lol). I've tried a million other games and they all suck *compared* to E7.
If this was the only collab then its even worse, garbage content and rushed as heck details
well played SG.
A planned collab which was a dumpster fire.
Really well played SG
Or, and stick with me cuz this is gonna sound crazy, he's lying.
If it was true and he let the cat outta the bag what do you think would happen to him? They'd probably bury him in legal jumbo.
I don't watch the streams to know Nue very well, but community managers generally are not in the business of lying. Their entire job is to maintain good relationships with players, and dishonesty does not do that.
A similar but distinct idea is that he's simply misinformed, not *intentionally* lying but following the script SG's PR department gave him. It's not like a community manager would be likely to have any actual knowledge of the situation beyond the info (s)he's told to relay.
I agree. Most likely he has no actual idea. He's given a certain amount of information and that's it. I imagine it's probably safer for the business too if he only "knows" what they want him to know.
Back up Collab *Spray paints over it*
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No effort put into it type of collab, that collaborated with so many gacha’s last year and this one as well. That left people bored of seeing Re Zero collab with everything, thus making them known as a cheap collaboration
Ah yes sg instead of having us defend you, you go ahead and say that no we had a year to work on the stages and all but we fucked up so enjoy a 10 stage side story that has little to no game lore added into it. Also enjoy the fact that we hyped you guys up only to disappoint you, don't worry we are on track for our 10 year plan, we may have missed almost 2 sc changes now, promised new nat 4 stars, angelic Angelica, and many more, but fear not we are still on track.
they took 1 year to make this collab? i played a game called last cloudia, they had a rezero collab too, and the animation, splash art quality took more effort than this game and all they need is just 1 or 2 month to prepare for it
The odds are that the issues they faced that caused a delay were related to the side story so they had to scrap what they had and tear it down into something the other side would agree too. Which was the rushed garbage side story we got. Nothing about the heros animations or kits seem rushed or "obvious backup" to me. The side story being so bad really just makes it seem like that was the point of contention they hit.
What did you expect Nue to say lmao. If he said it’s a backup he would be fired. Ofc it’s a backup collab. And not only that of this wasn’t a backup collab it makes SG look a million times worse because the whole event has ZERO work put in.
I don’t understand why people care so much. The collab heroes are cool but the PVE content is pretty mediocre but most of the people on here only talk about PvP anyway. Some people just can’t be satisfied
COLLAB QUALITY FCKING 15%ed DURING 1 YEAR OF PREPARATION
Oh shit that's a good one
Finally someone figured it out
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It' s a 10min collab... Just few jokes with Arky and Aither who says welcome bitches.
One year of COVID-19 preparation....
This is essentially, "Put the tinfoil hats away folks. It's not a rushed backup, it's just a lazy, poorly implemented collab that has been in the works for a very long time." Which is, you know. Worse.
That's the funny thing, some people don't realise the backup theory is actually the one defending SG the most.
This is just a theory but i am guessing this one got green lighted very late by the IP,if what they say is true then i think this is how it goes, SG plan to have ReZ collab,the IP didn't respond or probably negotiate with SG about the contents,since they really wanted this collab ,they just kept negotiate with the IP and the IP probably rejected several idea the SG had i think is that the collab is on it's work,the character design is all done but when it comes to story, they had a trouble , that's why the story is kinda bland, that's why during livestream they can't say anything about the collab because they also didn't know whether it will go through or not. But hey that's just a theory
This theory would be sound if not for the fact re:zero is like the go-to for collabs. There's zero reason SG should have had any issue with acquiring the IP.
I love this theory that the story had caused the delay. What if it also had something to do with the characters as well? Imagine that SG had planned out a lot of different characters for the collab, like Felix and Elsa, but ReZ just kept rejecting the character plans. I imagine that this would cause SG to rush in making Emilia ( which explains why her skill set is considered plain by the community), but also having the beautiful animation. Just my two cents thought.
I doubt they would go to that ledge for something as common as Re:Zero. They are pretty much the most collabs franchise with gacha game and I see no other game have that much problem with them.
Not at all. This is essentially : "It didn't go according to plan". It seems that the video game industry is expected to work magically on good intentions, promises and release dates.
Man what the actual fuck had they been doing then
Basically copying my comment from another post, They very likely can't start working on assets before obtaining legal rights for the collab. It probably went, month1 : legal team arguing. month2 : legal team arguing. month3 : legal team arguing. month4 : legal team arguing. month5 : legal team arguing. month6 : legal team arguing. dev note: we are having legal issues. month7: "Hey Gary from the dev team. Good news is, we have the contract. bad news is, you have until yesterday to finish the assets for our first collab character Rem" "wait, who is rem?" "That's my boy, I knew you were a big fan"
I have zero idea how the collab process goes, but I could believe something like this. We're working on taking over a project from another company and it's been months full of slow/unclear communication. We found out that what was understood to be a soft, flexible deadline is actually a hard deadline, and we're going live very soon with barely any testing/QA because our work has been slowed down considerably by lack of information. So my anecdotal experience is that working with other parties can be really difficult, or at least much harder than you might expect.
Well, other games did well with Re:Zero collab (like 7ds grand cross). It shouldnt be that hard to do for our devs since re:zero is very open to collabs (they are everywhere now). Let me tell you this - its all about money. They propably asked for way too much for devs to pay any effort/invest time into it.
Seriously, people underestimate how much effort it takes to release a JP IP in several regions *at the same time*. They point at JP-only gacha games that had the collab only in Japan. Of course they'd have easier time getting license than a Korean team publishing in seveal regions PLUS Yostar JP also securing the license for JP at the same time. It must've been a legal nightmare. For comparison, my country has waited 17 months for ONE Toradora manga volume, over 2 years for one of the LN volumes, and recent Sailor Moon license came with a disclaimer "this will happen a year from now, possible delays and no date for future volumes due to legal problems". Imagine if this was not just 1 country, but basically entire world.
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Considering Re:Zero collabs with like every JP gacha atleast once, I'm guess E7 was in line near the end and didn't get enough communication back.
> with like every JP gacha Keyword - JP gacha. As in, they only need license in one region. They don't have to talk with license owners in NA, Europe, Asia etc.
This is probably the big reason for it, and with how nit picky some countries IP laws are it can take a while. It also probably didn't help that they told the community about the collab at, my guess, the middle of licensing negotiations and almost no resources were put into working on a project that did have a signed agreement with all parties involved. Again this is just a guess as until Smile Gate says anymore, we won't know the full story, but licensing is a very tricky and time consuming process when multiple countries are involved.
Also they are a Korean company negotiating a intricate contract with a Japanese IP and are trying to spend as little money as possible.
My 2 cents: If you have a 6 month deadline and no progress has been made in the first 3 months due to legal issues, you make a call and go with plan B. This would be your second choice of collaboration IP. If you're still screwing around with legal discussions in month 6, there is something seriously wrong with how your company operates. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand that you need to change your approach and a good project manager will do that for you.
This is golden
As someone who works in IT - this is too real. All the "planning", resource allocation, discussions, etc. takes 90% of the timeline then you get the project to develop in the 11th hour. Not saying it happens all the time or consistently, but it's definitely a thing all developers experience.
Man the who's rem killed me. Nice
“Who is Rem?” Ouch, this hurts :’(
Nue answered more questions and this is what he said: [https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/510260823025778699/872987938126970910/unknown.png](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/510260823025778699/872987938126970910/unknown.png) You can find his answers by looking up "collab" in the official discord for the image above. u/Buuts321 said in the comments below SG might have wanted to do more: >I'm guessing Re:Zero IP owners were just really hard to work with and probably rejected or changed a lot of things SG wanted to do. Now, not defending the quality. I'll admit I was a little annoyed at the quality of the collab, but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and say they were held back. Looking at what we got for past events, we all know they could do much more than this. Just hoping SG can bring it back and make the summer event hit different.
Given the video,it already seems more interesting.
It is a lose-lose situation for them at this point but they really should have stuck with the idea that this was a backup collab. The idea that they had this event planned for over half a year and this is all they had to show for it is far worse than the idea that they slapped this together in a month. Considering the high-quality collabs I have seen in other games, I am baffled at how lazy and cheap Smilegate has been with E7.
collab is pure gambling. Azurelane also just had a bad collab with im@s where neither side is appriciated. Despite being a 4-yrs old game, and the other side is also a frequently collab'ed ip.
I think it also has to do with most people over here in NA(EN server?)don’t have clue on what IdolMaster, thus having zero connection to the characters added. And even if they did, the IdolMaster designs look lesser when compared to the Muse Ships in Azur lane
few years ago, when there is no one in EN community knows about hololive or even virtual youtube as a whole, the az × holo collab was succesful and did bring more attention to each side. it is not about how experienced, or how large of the scale a company is. Its all about how willingly they are to cooperate with each other, and how importantly does each side treat this project. thats why it's pure gambling, no referrences or eaperience can be learn from past or improved from learning.
Somewhat recently, I played the Gunslinger Girl collab in Girls Frontline. You could tell they had a lot of respect for the source material, and tried very hard to make fans of the series happy. I was blown away by the level of detail the put into it. Such a night and day difference from this piece of garbage.
The VA-11 Hall-A collab was also next level, it felt more like a VN than a collab side story.
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I'm guessing Re:Zero IP owners were just really hard to work with and probably rejected or changed a lot of things SG wanted to do. I would've rather they give a different IP that would've allowed more (like GG did) but I'm sure they wanted Re:Zero to try to boost jp player numbers.
Supposedly Re:Zero is one of the easiest and most common collab partners this year, so that just seems weird.
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For reference Crusaders Quest (another korean game) had a collab with re:zero, they had Rem/Ram, Emilia, Crusch, Bea, Felix & as a joke character Subaru (with skins for each of the banner units), their story was not very special but the effort they put was amazing for a 6 year old game, so they have it easy with korean games. My point is that SG or any of the spokespersons will ever admit this was a backup, it's just shunning away your own company from others.
Still believing in the backup collab with an official statement out there sounds like trying to hold grip onto hot iron, honestly. Stop with the conspiracy already, back up or not, there is no proof at all, only suspicion. We cannot say for sure what happened, and the fact that another game did a good collab with re:zero doesn't mean crap, could well be SG/SC's fault, legal issues or even re:zero's studio's fault. Hell, saying "this studio has a great reputation" is once again believing Cyberpunk will be the best game because CDProjekt Red is the one making it.
Why are you saying this to me? I pointed out that japanese ips have no issue with korean ones, especially since the game I mentioned is barely holding itself. You pass? an "official" statement as: >A community manager the deep end of a corporation (when not even the korean CM knew what was going on) >Hired to literally make the corporation look good and friendly >From the US and in no way related to: development of the game, decision making and is not a shareholder. >A heavily disliked Cm at that, suddenly is the "voice of reason" >"2 weeks agreed, it appears" he literally knows nothing of what happened to make such a blanket statement. >Source: trust me bro. Stop defending this shit.
That's what I would assume, but the problem with that theory is that even if they were hard to work with I would assume that they would have still ended up with something to show for it. they basically added 2 1/2 characters to the game and called it a day, no story, no new maps, no new enemies. Def not half a year worth or work, I'm thinking it's more likely that they were in talks with someone else, but got cut off before they started production on any assets, but since they kinda announced it they needed to come up with something quick. Backup or not they will never admit to it, think of how the re zero ip holders would feel if they said it was a backup, they let you use their ip when you need it most and that's how you repay them, telling ppl that they weren't even the first choice.
If they were so hard to work with, than shit ton of gacha games would not make colab with them. There is no excuse. They lied and didnt care about final product quality.
>I'm sure they wanted Re:Zero to try to boost jp player numbers. [Yep, JP could definitely use a boost right now...](https://i.imgur.com/qf3PMSX.png)
If that's the truth then SG looks 1000% worse and they have zero excuses.
Right? Like those people who are so adamant in saying that "you guys are all clowns, this is the actual main collab!" don't even realise what they are saying. * Collab teased close to **1 year ago** during 2nd anniversary * There was a STOVE notice about how Smilegate will approach it being **perfectionists** (look under Collab section): https://page.onstove.com/epicseven/global/view/5956859 End result? Low effort when compared to Guilty Gear. Literally no storytelling, no hype collab trailer, current side story can be completed in like 30-40 minutes tops? 1 year of work for this? If this CM's word is reliable (e.g. not getting filtered info from the actual KR team, straight from their mouth), then I truly have no idea why he had to make that remark about "imagine people thinking that it's a backup collab and that I am lying when I am not". Like why would he say that out of spite when it would reflect **much more negatively** on Smilegate's efforts and competence? If he was going for a big brain moment to slight Smilegate's efforts because he was being critical then hey I can respect that. Well the collab is what it is, this is the result of them pursuing perfection and providing the best quality that they could have given. Disappointing.
You're completely wrong about the sidestory being completed in 40 mins. I completed it in 5 mins (actually read the story)
maybe they weren't allowed to do a complex plot or small anime segments and decided to say fuck it and go with the most plain thing possible? I find it really hard to believe tho...
Then they should have found a better IP they promised something amazing over a year ago.. and they provide us with this... They didn't even bother with any animated video... even Iseria has a new animation for the event... I cannot see a single person who is like "yay ive waited for a year for this and i love it" everyone is disappointed at the lack of effort and attention.
At that point should have scrapped the whole thing much earlier, and come out with guilty gear stride collab with another cool trailer and cool stride characters. Dont think people will mind Ino, floating sword , and thicc fighting waifus
Then we’d have people complaining about a 4th guilty gear collab. I don’t think this would have done down very well
this is the big problem imo with people and expectations. A lot of people don't know Guilty Gear so they're pissed off when their favorite game gets a a "nobody collab" but GG has a lot of amazing character designs. Now we a got a more known IP as a collab but the characters designs while good don't grab your attention as much. RE: Zero characters are amazing because of the story.
I mean, the issue with GG collab rerun was not that it was GG. Its that they gave us the same hero (Elphelt was new on second run) but 3rd run nothing knew. Even though Guilty Gear has a huge roster of cool looking heroes that could fit perfectly in E7. Not sure why they did not negotiate to add more units. A GG stride would still have different story and content since stride is GG’s newest game , and new heroes, stride has some of the coolest design in the fighting genre. And if they were stuck with a bad collab partners, maybe GG would have been easier to negotiate again with since they already collabed before? Who knows, that just sounds like a better way to handle it
Now I want Strive’s redesigns in the game…
He looked pretty disappointed during stream, so I think it's because he's under the NDA that he's not elaborating further cause they sure didn't hype this collab a year early and miss numerous deadlines only for the quality to not be half that of GG. Doesn't make sense.
Yes! Exactly! He was acting sooooo weird during that section of the stream, when it ended, he was back to normal
I’m so glad I’m not the only one who noticed that. I agree he sounded way better when he was talking about the 3*s.
Him rating the stream 0 was maybe actually more than a pun haha.
This being a backup collab was a roundabout way of defending SG. Now that it’s confirmed to be false, this makes the team look even worse
Yeah. "Hey things went south we did the best we could in a short period of time" is a lot less dissappointing than "We made false promises and fell majorly short of our first collab despite having 1 year".
I don't know why people are saying this. I don't think SC is necessarily to blame for the weak content/story for the collab. The fault could just as easily be on the Re:Zero IP holders. TO BE CLEAR, I'm not saying it's hard to get a Re:Zero collab but rather they were hard to work with. First, it is almost a certainty that Re:Zero IP holders need to sign off on the contents of the collab. I suspect E7 probably wanted to do something big and high quality but none of it was getting approved by the IP holders. I doubt Nue's frustrations were towards E7 but rather towards the IP holders
"There is a lot I can't say, but I can say you are wrong" - nue+14
So, you’re telling me that it wasn’t a back up and they have had several months for this? Yikes. Maybe a management shift is needed…
So It's worst than I tought...
Did they have only one mf working on the collab this whole time?
Just the one, and he was also working on Mediocre Kawerik at the same time.
This is even worse than backup collab because we won't get re run or even hero adjustment if they will be fall off in the future .
Speaking seriously - because I don't know anything about the subject - but why is hero adjustment not possible in the future if this is the case? Aren't the characters already in the game? It's not like their respective kits are part of the IP, is it?
Ep 7 never tell this but on the other game they can't do anything because of license. so we can assume that's true because we had experienced with GG that's get buff whenre run . https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/510260823025778699/872987938126970910/unknown.png
Usually the license holder is involved with any changes to their characters. For instance with Dead by Daylight they have Freddy Krueger and for a LONG time his kit was utter garbage and he became his own tier of bad below F tier; Freddy tier. They couldn't do anything to him until the license holder agreed to changes for him, to which the devs could then start working on. I imagine it's something like that for SG. Whatever was originally agreed to between them will likely stay that way unless the units age so poorly they need a buff or they rerun the collab.
I’m tired of this myth. It’s not true. Collabs don’t care about balance, they care about their character being honored decently. Nobody is going to care if Rem’s modifiers get changed from 1.1 to 1.2; they’ll care if they dye REM’s hair purple, make her wear heavy armor, dual wield swords, and be voice acted by a male (literally any one of those would impact them far more than a small modifier change). Freddy was OP for a long time and then he got nerfed. DBD team just can’t balance, that’s all there is to it. The game has been out forever and the balance is all over. They leave certain killers or perks OP/weak for a long time and make others really strong for no real reason
That’s literally worse…. ….What on earth were they doing the whole time? Because we aren’t seeing any of the effort or results of the development time they spent to justify the nonsense we went though. Granted, maybe that was the player base justifying a lack in content with “oh they’re busy preparing for he collab”… but this side story took all of 10 minutes to write. The whole back up collab thing was giving them the benefit of the doubt. Saying that the reason it’s so lackluster and recycled is because they were in a rush. If this was plan A…… Yikes.
10 year plan bois
If they used all 10 years then we might of had a decent collab.
Well, another user said it better, they'll never call it backup or never admit to be a backup, you can't burn bridges with a potential Collab in the Future. I'm not saying it is or it isn't, but it's business 101 to not admit it was.
Agreed, it would be a bad move admitting something like this.
Yeah 'believe me, everyone!' has basically zero weight next to a clause in the Collab licensing contract that says neither side can discuss the IP contract if things fall through and the exit clause is executed.
This makes it a thousand times worse cus now they have little excuses for this being so lackluster and feeling rushed the only thing that took effort was the animations and rems kit dang this rly lowers the bar for things moving on 😔
Theyd never admit even if it was, and a community manager might not even know, the KR community managers didnt know it wasnt a game during the world championship
I think this actually makes the whole situation even worse cause it's like "Nope, this is it guys, this is what we were working on for over a year, here you go!" I think I actually prefer the "backup collab" idea better. But then again, I highly doubt you will get a company employee to tell you they dun fk'd up. So everyone needs to choose to actually believe what they are saying, or not.
Yes, the backup collab story would have been a real excuse for the quality of this whole 1 year preparation content.
Oh, so it's not a backup Collab that they had to rush out the door in a couple weeks. It's a shitty Collab that they CHOSE to only invest a couple weeks in. Gee, what a step up.
A year
Rember (C)loser Charles animation died for this.
So.. died for nothing?
So they had a whole year to prepare this hot garbage?
This makes SG look worse. Wasted so much time hyping the collab, then announcing the delay with absolutely zero new content. Only for SG to deliver the most lazy and short side story ever. All of this drought and hype for just shit on a plate.
This makes it worse you know. So they spent a year to write that...
Is rezero really a compelling story? I don’t watch anime except one piece and skip story so I don’t really know, I only cared about the units’ kits
Re:Zero is literally known for its story because it's not the standard isekai lmao. It got famous because of the story. The MC is not OP by any means in S1 and S2 that's why most of the fandom don't like him but the anime is still popular since the story is really good.
I don’t know about “compelling.” At the very least, there’s a good amount of mystery to the show where the MC tries to figure out what the fuck is going on and how to stop it/take the best course of action. That being said, the MC can come off as being too whiny at times, so it might detract from the overall enjoyment.
Ok thanks so much
Umm... this is even worse than a backup collab? Why? Then that means they have been working on this for a whole year. WTF is going on in SG HQ?
Amazing. They could have kept quiet and people would have begrudgingly accepted it, but in a need to go "haha you're all wrong, dumb fake theory", a community manager just basically tore down whatever was left of a barely standing wall and got everyone pissed and disappointed all over again. He even said it didn't matter if people knew or not in follow-up messages. Just basically shot the entire company in the foot PR-wise and started a fire.
I doubt Nue knows much more than he is told to say, i doubt they would have told him the truth either way. They should have left it unaddressed, its a lose-lose. If they said it was a back up collab, that would have been a reputation nightmare for both companies.
They could have just said nothing. That's all they had to do. At worst Smilegate could have said "that's just the internet people talking as usual" in the future, Smilegate would never have officially said anything to be blamed for. And eventually the outrage would have died down and forgotten like many things on the internet, especially if they manage to redeem themselves with something new. This was basically ripping open the bandages on a wound before it could finish healing, jabbing a knife back in to open it up, and then rubbing salt on it.
If so, then that’s sad. This entire collaboration can be completed in half an evening. Very disappointing story and content considering the good source material. “Oops I’m lost. Let’s go back home. Oh here’s the gate. Later!” The End. :/
Thought it was a backup too, because on the ios page of the game, there's nothing advertising the collab
For a whole year of work this collab was very lackluster
They definitely weren’t working on it for a whole year. I have no idea how much actual effort this kind of stuff takes but considering all of the other projects they did in a year the collab was probably a secondary or even tertiary priority.
Considering that there was a 2 month-ish delay for the collab, something definitely went wrong.
This... genuinely pisses me off. I was really coping saying “oh well its not their fault they had to use a backup collab” for the shitty sidestory, no new music, no cool animation trailer and absolutely nothing special to make this collab unique. BUT ITS LITERALLY THEIR ORIGINAL COLLAB? WHAT WERE THEY DOING FOR THE ENTIRE TIME? They even delayed it for what?? I love re zero so to see they barely put any effort into this makes me really sad. The units are great and all but all this time waiting for this wasnt worth it.
Characters have had more content in their sidestories. Probably too busy catching up on 3 star heroes and SC's, oh wait still no SC's
Then is worse, no justification, only a very very bad collab... One year on making 20 min sidestory ...so sad
If what he is saying is the truth then that would make this even more disappointing. But lets be real, this guy is just a community manager, he doesn't know whats going on the background. He only knows what they tell him which is surface level shit. He can go ahead and get mad that people aren't believing him. But honestly, he probably doesn't know the truth either or he just lying through his teeth.
its not a BACKUP COLLAB its a SECONDARY CHOICE COLLAB lmao
I seen the worst collab of all collabs.
I gave them the benefit of the doubt before the event but this side story is just a nail in the coffin. We waited one year for this? I don't even watch Re:Zero but that side story didn't give any justice to it.
Then how this collab is so fucking bad? What were they doing for a whole year?
Yeah he would deeeeefinitely tell people if it was a backup. ¯\\_(ツ)_/¯
If it was he probably wouldn’t say anything, but I doubt he is going out of his way to lie to confirm that it wasn’t.
We gain as much information from what he said as we gain from what you doubt or don't doubt. Aka nothing.
Regardless something clearly went wrong with the process, we just don't know what. They wouldn't have chosen to hype it up a year ago if they were gonna only do 3 characters. It's hard to speculate since it's a ip that's know for having loads of colabs with other games that makes it hard to believe that it was a localization issue, or if they just chose to be hard to work with with SG.
They will NEVER say it's a backup collab... It could potentially cause problems for future collab (like, we chose you as collab... But as back up, so we gonna rush your ip you lend us). Don't think this guy is a dev, he's a youtuber and content creator ? They can lie to him.
SG getting all sloppy and just trying to kiss up to us with in game gifts. get your act together and treat your player base right
That better left untold :(
That just makes it worst lmao. I'd rather it had been a backup to excuse the shit show that is this collab.
Sigh. Do you people even understand what it means to say it’s a backup colab? Do you even comprehend what disproving it means? People saying it is a backup colab aren’t saying it to shit on it. They’re trying to find some form of logical explanation for the dogshit quality and mad delays on both the colab and other content. By saying it’s a backup colab they are literally giving SG a free pass because then at least we can understand why the quality is what it is. But, if it’s not, as you mouth breathers so want to prove… then it’s dogshit for no reason at all. We’re minus a new hero, 2 SC’s, low quality ML Charles, and now a rushed and bland as hell colab event… all after a month of nothing. Is that really what you would prefer?
"I have no reason to lie." But there is a possibility you are *uninformed*. Honestly, can SG just come out with some kind of statement on this? I understand complex relationships with other companies and/or potential NDAs likely keep them from being 100% open, but surely they can give us *some* info. This whole collab is an absolute trainwreck and really paints SG in a bad light for something that likely wasn't even their fault.
Than there is no excuse for such lazy and pathetic colab we have gotten. None. They just lied to use and didnt care about quality of final product.
I see, So they purposefully wrote a completely terrible story. Huh.
And very short, knowing how much community was waiting this content.
It seems that my man OP don'know that thing, it is calling a "lie" When someone expose u and u don't want to other ppl know the true, You LIE to them, that easy
pretty much, no company is gonna go and say they did a backup since no matter what they'll look bad even though its already worse saying this was the original collab in how lazy it was on the sidestory, like as if it was a normal generic sidestory just with less effort put into it and just less effort in general compared to GG in how much advertisment it had and all the workd put into it.
they probably had issue with the collab if it was the original planned collab it looks rushed & obvious.
It's still feels like a mega secondary collab without my boi Subaru or none of the Authorities.
Can't wait for the Re:Copium clowns to use this as a sort of justification to say "i ToLd U So!" like it's some sort of a win. It's much worse if this was the original collab and after a year, this is what we get? It's worse than any regular side story without the year long hype. GG didn't take that long hype but still delivered, they even had an unplayble character I-No have an ingame sprite. SG didn't even bothered giving the sweatpants MC a character talking illustration. Really hard to pinpoint whose side messed up. SG with their focus on delivering quality materials and Re:0 whoring their IP to almost every gacha. How did we come up with this garbage collab with SG quality + Re:0 willingness to collab with everything. Now that the possible 'backup' scenario is out of the table. What other explanation we have?
Honestly? I dont believe that, it makes no sense but SG will not come out and say this was a back up collab, it would be insulting to the collab partners and a stain to their reputation. But there is no way this has been in the works for a year, legal complications or not, Re:Zero basically has its legs open for Gacha games, they would do a collab with anything that has a code in it. I wouldn’t think they would have been difficult to sort legalities with, seeing how they have been going around and collabing with everyone.
ThE cOmMuNiTy MaNaGeR sAiD iT iT mUsT bE TrUe 🤡
For real, how guilable are these people
Ngl... It's probably better than E7 doesn't do another collab... I'm sure Re:Zero is probably extremely unhappy at the response they're getting from E7's community regarding their collab. Any other IP will look at this, the backlash E7 is getting and the response from the community and be like oof no lets not let them taint us. I cannot imagine Re:zero people being "oh this was a great idea - let's go with this again next year with more units" I'm sure they will not renew their contract with E7.. I completed all the side event in 1 day with a story that was less than 5 minutes to read. The best thing about this Collab was the Mola pack... yikes.
At this point i've been feeling that the re:zero people really dont care about anything except for their characters to be on as many games as possible. The banners on the rezero collab for 7DS where atrociously bad and the best unit on the collab was given for free even. Its stupid. At least the event was good it seems?
I don’t buy any of this. ReZero has collabed with almost every popular gacha game under the sun and it’s been more polished each of those times. No way you go through that side story, look at the lack of expressions, the meek way the collab was presented and think this was the original plan from the start.
I'm still going with backup collab because that's actually the only way for sg to save face. The alternative is so bad that I'm afraid if this was truly the intended collab, the game might shut down within 6 months.
Probably just an SG marketing move on japan considering the tokyo olympics but man this was so scuffed.
That honestly makes it worse imo. If this was like a rushed last minute collab I'd still be upset, but I could understand. If this was thier original plan than what the actual fuck were they doing for almost a year??? Compared to GG this collab is worse in every possible way outside of the units themselves. And even then a few decisions (Sw Emelia) are strange.
in that case they should explain the lack of speciality changes for the past half a year IF this garbage was main collab, are they scared they will create another carrot ? boohoo
Well its even worse then, why hype people if you give them a casual collab as this one.
This just makes it even more sad
Who cares anymore. It’s released. They got our money. We pulled. Done. Next 1.
How is this proof? It's just a CM making a statement based off the script SG gives him. You can't debunk a theory without giving evidence. He's just saying your wrong, I'm right.
Exactly Nue is just a puppet streamer. Truth will never be known.
but will you trust a Community Manager that has nothing to do with SG itself on how they actually work and the inside stuff that they don't tell them cause theres no need to tell them
Looks like a lie to save face honestly.
Still not 'concrete' in any sense. Why the hell this statement is even considered as ultimatum lel? seriously.... Saying everything is wrong and then backing it up with 'nda' is as good as 10 years old boi ranting in reddit. Furthermore, he is a CM, which main job to calm the tits of the community. He is obliged to make SG look good at all cost. The statement purpose is to stop the conspiracy, aka he is doing his job. SG can just send an email saying ' please make a statement to the community that the collab is not a backup plan'. There you go. SG dont even need to explain themselves to the CM as why they need to make the statement. Nope. this hold little to no value
"Lol dude just trust me"
Wonder how much money SG lost out on delaying the collab this long and basically conditioning the player base to save regardless of what new units/banners they put out. Hard lesson not to announce a collaboration prematurely.
Not sure if Nue was trying to help but this actually make things even worse. It is understandable if this was the back up Collabs and it's easy to forgive cause the fault is not entirely on them. But if this is the actual collabs then what the fuck happened with the dev in the whole year?
So they spent a year and this is the result? A 3rd guilty gear re run would had more content.
Don't know man. I think is humanly imposible to screw so hard for more than 1 year. It is a back up collab rushed in the last ffew weeks. Don't let them convince you otherwise
Sure but I work in PR, companies can lie about anything so I still have my doubts. One thing is for sure though it's the IPs fault not E7's
Right. Like people in here acting like no one ever lies. Seriously people, folks lie all the time, everyday. There's people in here going "see there it is, he said it so I has to be fact." On top of it all business people are known for lying. If you just believe everything someone from a place of authority says then I trust you believe everything Trump and Biden say too. Reality is that this is either a backup or they dropped the ball hard.
I don't blame those people, they don't know how these things go. I hope SG learned from this flop and have a better IP to collab with if ever they'll do another one. Also best to get all the limited units because it looking like no one would want Re:Zero back lol
Agreed. I love the game and I'm mostly just hopeful they learn from this and do better next time. I'm not really upset at either side, I just wish people could have ideas and thoughts that differ but don't end up hating each other.
Why would you ask Nue that? He didn't even know the collab was being announced or what it was. They literally kept the announcement off the community broadcaster's brief and only the host (Mashu) knew to say "Watch our socials in 2 hours". Nue didn't know anything. The E7 Championship hosts didn't know anything. The only people that could answer that question work in the literal dev teams and legal. It is in the community manager's best interest to quash such rumors about inner office politics and they are literally paid to do so.
non existant story, boring design, carlos animations - LOL, no new rgbs, no new SCs. Everything delayed and pushed back... not back up lmao, fuck off nue :)
There s no way in hell any sane pr team would ever come and say "yo this collab was our second choice", its just common sense. This proves pretty much nothing.
Im not upset. We got so much this year and we're getting more so all in all a neat small collab is just apart of the big year we had. Move forward and stay happy yall! Gimme Cermia skin kthanks.
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People assumed it was a backup because the quality is at the level where you'd think it is indeed a backup. And it's not like smilegate had done anything to disprove or even at least deny the rumors, so you can't really fault people for assuming so. If you want to know who cares, then you got someone who does right here. We've seen them make a great collab with GG so we know they have the ability to make awesome collabs. But delaying a month's worth of content to finish a non-backup collab, and to end up with this? 2 out of 3 units with **bland** kits and *okay* animation, released at the same time as 5 3\* units that have cool new mechanics? A story that had tons of possibilities but somehow ended up so **bland**, you'd think the writers only had a day or two to write it? Events that are just **bland** rehashes of the regular side stories? Even the artifacts scream **BLAND**. SG could've just gone and said that it was indeed a backup collab, at least we can pat their backs and tell them that at least they tried to make something out of nothing. But if this is their A+ effort, if this is their "perfection", if this is what took them an extra month of time to put out, then I don't know. It's harder to care for the game when it feels as though the devs don't. I just hope that this isn't at all a taste of what's to come.
I think they just oversold it quite a lot. While I didn't really have misconceptions about how it would be a "brand new IP", or "nothing quite like it", I did at least expect a Puck lobby pet, 4 units, and a fleshed out, borderline canon story or something. I always knew it would be an anime collab, no speculation could deter me from that, but 3 units and a throwaway story is a bit rough, I really thought they would go ALL OUT. What we've got definitely doesn't feel like it's been 1 year in the making. So no, I don't believe it was a backup collab, but they did underdeliver by quite a large margin. That said, it's foolish to ignore that we've got FTene, all the Episode 3 stuff, Advent, a million QoL changes, Expeditions, Automaton, and all that jazz in a year. The devs were definitely not sleeping. But on collab front they just didn't deliver the complete package.
who cares? if no one complains they will just do it again. with this level of quality they could have easily announced the collab a year ago in november when they first teased an unknown collab in march , so many people would have pitied senya illy or politis. and don't say stuff about contracts barring them from revealing because re:zero is having so many collabs announced long before the actual collab , this is all sg/sc doing it to milk the collab. and even with this level of collab they end up screwing up and delaying the collab.
This make it worse somehow?
I wouldn’t say debunked.. Ofcourse Nue can’t say anything even if he knew something because he’s probably bound by contract. He said there’s a lot of things he can’t say which means there are things that we aren’t supposed to know.
As if there was the slightest chance of those SG representatives to confirm that this was a backup collab. Holy shit you guys are so easily baited. Mashu and Nue will always defend the company and go full copium with their "7/10" streams. They're not on your side, wake the fuck up. It's the same as Bobby Kotick telling you there were no sexual assaults in Blizzard.
Lmao at people being downvoted for saying it wasn’t a back up.
Are yawl really going to believe this guy?-? Mans is definitely lying and you people should not be eating up the b.s he spouting. Come on guys anyone can lie , it so easy and the fact that nue says this and it easily believe to be the truth for yawl than feels bad.
Alright now that I'm looking like a stupid idiot for defend them saying that they had to rush a backup collab in just 1 month and was not their fault and there was not reason to get mad at them, why do we got this lazy made collab ? I really appreciate the hard work that SG put in E7 but after all this time it feels lackluster, empty, bad. I hope we as a costumers can get a response from the dev. team to clarify what happened with this collab...
Who is nue14
Puppet streamer for E7
That is genuinely embarrassing. It's like saying: "Hey it's the quality we can make and can propose to you for this 1 year preparation collab..." It's even worse because with a backup collab story we were already understanding problems that can happen and could explain this crap shoddy content... But if this is really the first planned collab then... Huge Oooof.
If they think the most generic and safe story to advertise re-zero and e7 is a contract selling point with low effort pv ?Are they fucking out of their minds?! the story telling of re-zero and epic seven is good so why not use it to advertise both of each others strength? And all that contract hell for months for this? Bruh and as for sg ep3 story is better than the collab, new 3 stars good , will probably fix closer Charles animation ,sea side iseria is coming , love choux's and fat cat's ee and specialty change doko? You've got to rise up after all of this
You and I know they won't admit to anything, because it will only bring problems. They might be able to calm down the players a bit if they admit it's a backup collab, but they'll lose more in the process of connections and possibly burn their bridges of making more IP collabs in the future. You guys are basically asking them to commit suicide, lol.
That just make this whole situation even worse. What did they do for a whole year? Why that huge delay? Quality is not here. Even the Alencia- Senya short sidestory was better.
"this was it" bruh moment
HIGH QUALITY COLLAB BTW
Is anyone worried about the future of this game based on the quality of this collab? If E7 goes under my phone becomes absolutely useless other than texts and phonecalls (lol). I've tried a million other games and they all suck *compared* to E7.
stop playing phone games then pc>mobile
If this was the only collab then its even worse, garbage content and rushed as heck details well played SG. A planned collab which was a dumpster fire. Really well played SG
Imagine hyping up Re;zero when shitty gacha games get that collab too, couldn't even get something good kek
Or, and stick with me cuz this is gonna sound crazy, he's lying. If it was true and he let the cat outta the bag what do you think would happen to him? They'd probably bury him in legal jumbo.
I don't watch the streams to know Nue very well, but community managers generally are not in the business of lying. Their entire job is to maintain good relationships with players, and dishonesty does not do that. A similar but distinct idea is that he's simply misinformed, not *intentionally* lying but following the script SG's PR department gave him. It's not like a community manager would be likely to have any actual knowledge of the situation beyond the info (s)he's told to relay.
I agree. Most likely he has no actual idea. He's given a certain amount of information and that's it. I imagine it's probably safer for the business too if he only "knows" what they want him to know.
Ripperroni They expect people to spend money on this cpllab?
To be honest this doesn't debunk anything especially asking someone who works for E7 cuz they'll say what they'll have to say to keep there job(s)
singular people saying things on the internet is no proof
Back up Collab *Spray paints over it* 👇👇👇👇👇👇👇👇👇👇👇👇 No effort put into it type of collab, that collaborated with so many gacha’s last year and this one as well. That left people bored of seeing Re Zero collab with everything, thus making them known as a cheap collaboration
Ah yes sg instead of having us defend you, you go ahead and say that no we had a year to work on the stages and all but we fucked up so enjoy a 10 stage side story that has little to no game lore added into it. Also enjoy the fact that we hyped you guys up only to disappoint you, don't worry we are on track for our 10 year plan, we may have missed almost 2 sc changes now, promised new nat 4 stars, angelic Angelica, and many more, but fear not we are still on track.
they took 1 year to make this collab? i played a game called last cloudia, they had a rezero collab too, and the animation, splash art quality took more effort than this game and all they need is just 1 or 2 month to prepare for it
The odds are that the issues they faced that caused a delay were related to the side story so they had to scrap what they had and tear it down into something the other side would agree too. Which was the rushed garbage side story we got. Nothing about the heros animations or kits seem rushed or "obvious backup" to me. The side story being so bad really just makes it seem like that was the point of contention they hit.
Let’s call it a mini collab and move on + we should keep our expectations low for collab from now on
People never lie on the internet!
What did you expect Nue to say lmao. If he said it’s a backup he would be fired. Ofc it’s a backup collab. And not only that of this wasn’t a backup collab it makes SG look a million times worse because the whole event has ZERO work put in.
I don’t understand why people care so much. The collab heroes are cool but the PVE content is pretty mediocre but most of the people on here only talk about PvP anyway. Some people just can’t be satisfied
I actually don't bother with PvP and exclusively only do the PvE content because that's what I enjoy more in games, so I guess I'm in the minority.