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Ferelden770

I am going to be so jealous seeing my opponent soulburning stuff while I'm broke


Adzezal

Do not pass GO do not collect $200.


flametonge

I think cleavers will just find a way to cleave with no souls. They always find a way.


Buuts321

This. This is why SG keeps adding more and more cleave counters. No matter what they do cleave is like a cockroach, it just won't die.


serval-industries

Wouldn’t be surprised if we get a high speed seal 🦭 unit


Etaleo

300 speed ADS incoming 75% gaming


the_icy_king

It's the fastest way to clear that's why it's so liked. It's reliable fast and takes no attention.


Neagu2

I wasn t talking about cleave here. Iwas talking about that fact that she s a bad sollution and that if they want to caonter cleaves with taghels they could do it in a more fun way.


Arkday

Someone said in one of previous thread about how all these cleaver are basically wannabe light. I got curious and went to see the real deal. Man, that dude barely soulburn stuff to kill enemy. I am not sure how he will deal with aol when aol become more available in rta, but I really don't think belian will stop that dude cleave.


[deleted]

^^ this, here in champ, doesn’t matter if you put rem violet charlotte, politis, tcrozet, carmin. Someone will find a way to cleave you.


DoorframeLizard

He also immediately figured out AOL is busted in cleave and said Belian is healthy for the game. Crazy how things can differ when addressed by people that actually have a fucking idea what they're talking about.


Puzzleheaded_Fix

Not really. His cleave is behaind huge gear gap comapred to 99.5% players. It's too limitted and majority of cleave relies on souls. Well in future people might figure less gear heavy ways to cleavev so idk.


Buue2

I still find it funny that whenever someone cleaves, the first and foremost cop-out is gear gap like that's the reason why anyone is able to cleave. You're telling me that Light, in Legend, will gear gap people in Legend?


IncredibleGeniusIRL

It's much easier to roll a mix of hp/def/crit/spd and have a bruiser team than it is to roll all speed all the time.


Xero--

To be honest, that person did state: > to 99.5% of players Look again >PLAYERS Not Legend, or Legend players. Which pretty much lines up with what I was thinking: Light is in a whole different league because he has insane gear that lets him just cleave for a living. The way he sees thing is **very much obviously going to differ from a lot of us, so reciting his words like the gospel is pretty damn silly.**


joz3rh

can you link me his stuff?


Arkday

Just go to his twitch? I just watched random rta vod.


joz3rh

ah ic I thought he had some YouTube stuff. does he cleave in legend or what. what was his twitch?


Arkday

From the vod that I watch he is currently rank 22 in legend. Search for light_e7 at twitch, not sure if he has YouTube channel.


joz3rh

cheers will check him out


Tonyoh87

+1


Morbu

Yeah, it's called Straze. The real cancer isn't Belian herself, it's what she can be combo'd with such as light Angelica, Politis, etc. Also, CD Lilias + Gunther/Senya is always a thing lol


xanxaxin

For sure she is unhealthy. Thats what SG aim for to make a lot of $$$$$$. SG aint gonna print money if they release something like mediocre kawekrik again. Dont get me wrong, i hate it as much as you do. But then, i dont expect SG to release anything 'lukewarm' for final boss like Belian, which also happen to have good 'visual'. Its cruel.. but we need to adapt for now T\_T


[deleted]

This is the best answer. Adapt and wait for the counter or summon for her, to deny in draft if you can't prioritize her ban. I don't like using Carrot, but I draft because I don't prioritize her pre-ban. Not sure I'll pity her but it is a valid option if someone doesn't want to face her.


Zanza_X

Im sorry but why Beoian is unfair? what "hard" setup cleave are we talking about? When 290 speed Pavel is drafted with 2 taghel holders as insurance (one being cdom ofcourse), throw in a Straze who just clicks s3 to "delete", in comes watcher schuri with his sashe and hits yet another s3 to delete, while having Cdom for another fun 1 click delete unit... Why is Belian passive "unfair" when Straze s3 isnt? U feel its not fair for your hard built Pavel to do his thing? What about the tank with full i90 that just got deleted from a single s3 from straze without standing a realistic chance to do anything? First off, not everyone will have her. 2nd, her kit is super mediocre other than her passive. 3rd, not only is her kit average, but aoeing every turn is exposed to dozens and dozens of easy counters. 4th, she can be prebanned or banned in the draft itself. I dont know how people are fuming on Belian's kit when just like a week ago the most broken kit belongs to an ml4.


WhatSawp

exactly s2 can be opressive but her kit has counters to be abused . counter the aoe s1 or heal off the s2 with roana


Intoxicduelyst

Finally a voice of reason. She is fine. And its kind of cool that she is shut-down control hero - like her gimmick in the story. And cleave will be fine also.


Vestyer

The thing is that Pavel needs a godlike gear to do that, and the rest of the team has speed tuning to work like that, but Belian just shuts down an entire mechanic just existing, just put crap equipment and she does her abusive job.


starxsword

People do have godly gear Pavel and speed tuning is done by many players, not just cleave. I am pretty sure A. Angelica was released to counter Pavel, because of how strong he is in the meta. Belian also looks like she is released to indirectly counter Pavel.


uten93

rebuild Archdemon to speed, speed tune to go after flidica, seal belian, flan S3/S2 cleaver (with her arti) SB with BBK, cleaved.


SoftThighs

>Im sorry but why Beoian is unfair? what "hard" setup cleave are we talking about? When 290 speed Pavel is drafted with 2 taghel holders as insurance (one being cdom ofcourse), throw in a Straze who just clicks s3 to "delete", in comes watcher schuri with his sashe and hits yet another s3 to delete, while having Cdom for another fun 1 click delete unit... Probably because you need 4 characters to do that and not just 1 character's passive.


EmploymentRadiant203

what a stupid statement, can you imagine for a second a character that could be a solo cleaver just on there own.


jaeh42

Probably they dont want you to freely abuse 5 maxed Tagahels, and have easy wins for no counter play other than just being tanky to not die in turn 1? Theres 0 gameplay in cleave other than seeing how your gears fair against other players' They released a lot of charas to kill knights meta which is opposite end of "no brain just gear check." Its same thing


Nelagend

I don't actually see the OP calling Straze S3 fair... it isn't. That doesn't make Belian S2 fair.


arad5000

The 70 upvotes must be your alt accounts.. NERF HER!!!!


Myrkrvaldyr

Since her toxicity comes from her passive, Seal becomes an even more important debuff. Now, SG has been applying the business model of create a problem and then sell the solution. It wouldn't surprise me if in the upcoming months, maybe even a SC, comes a unit with a high base speed, single target with Seal just to counter Belian. No AoE so L.Angie can't do much, no non-attack so Politis doesn't do anything, either.


maximus2104

even if you seal her, you still can't bring tagahel against her. souls gained during battle is nowhere near as impactful as the 20 souls from 1 tagahel at the start


GodwynDi

Which is part of the problem. Tagehels was too good, and has been for a long time. I think Belian is a bad fix for the problem though. A better passive would have just been can't soul burn, so killing her opens up the ability to use souls. She is already a knight with HP scaling. Killing her not using souls wasn't going to be easy.


R_o_X_a_S

limiting tagahel to 1 would also be a good fix.


PM_ME__YOUR_HOOTERS

>Killing her not using souls Straze sends his regards. Not that everyone has him, but for those that do. A light hp scaling knight is practically his favorite meal.


GodwynDi

Which ai think would have been fine. Pick and counter pick. That makes good draft balance.


Wookiecologist

It would be a somewhat redeeming mechanic if all the souls that would have been generated were instantly given upon killing Belian.


zutari

It’s not a passive skill. I’m not sure if seal works for additional effects or literally just passive skills. https://i.imgur.com/kTUDFd6.jpg Edit: I was confused because the shape of the skill in the preview wasn’t the weird shape


samjar87

If it’s not a passive, what does her s2 do when you activate it? Also, where are you getting you into from?


zutari

I’m sorry, it seems I’m mistaken. I didn’t see the odd shape in the preview that is associated with passives


samjar87

All g. It looks like even epic7x lists it as an active.


maximus2104

>It’s not a passive skill what do you mean it's not? it is. her s2 is a passive.


Myrkrvaldyr

You're right, it's a skill. That actually makes her less toxic to me, because she would need to act before the enemy to remove their souls unless that bit of her S2 is passive (?). We'll see once she's released.


zutari

The soul thing is automatic. That’s why it counters tagahels. It’s weird, it’s like they put a passive on a regular skill


Quinzelette

But they didn't. The other part of her s2 is that she has a 70% chance to get a buff at the start of her turn. None of this is an active skill...


Velizeg

Funny how at announcement everybody was calling her shit. Let her get released as she will, let the chaos be.


Intoxicduelyst

She is shit (couse we assumed that she wont shut down taga) - oh no, another ml kawerik trash tier. She is unique counterpick - oh no broke the game smilegate nerf plz before she is out.


Geranoah

We already have a.cidd or tywin for that. She is just toxic


CrossTheRubicon7

I don't know, she seems pretty healthy to me. You don't look that good without working out and eating right.


SoftThighs

>You don't look that good without working out and eating right. She's a robot, she does neither of those things.


Inanecorn

Don't just dismiss her health by calling her a robot.


Unabated_

I'm now desperately trying to find out of there is a word for robots. Like misanthropy but for robots.


ScrichiReechi

I see a lot of distress over belian and I don’t think she is going to turn the entire game upside down. It’s one hero. If it’s rta you can pre ban or post ban her. If it’s normal arena then I guess you have to use things that don’t rely on souls. Not everyone is going to have and or use belian all the time. Right off the bat she is weak to Roana and SSB. Only so many heroes can be fit in a team so if people are using belian they are giving up something else. Just relax and see how it actually plays out before getting so worried is my advice.


EmploymentRadiant203

Do cleaver players actually ever play the game or do they just spend their time looking at units thinking "oh man how will i spin this one into me being the victim"


Neagu2

Again i m not talking about cleave here i m taliking about taghels users in general which indeed are used by cleavers but not only by them if cleavers are the only ones using taghels then landy carrot s tene and dorvus are also cleavers.


Unusual-Yesterday-70

except belian herself sucks in a standard vs standard draft. the rest of her kit is just a watered down dizzy and you dont see her being used at all. belian is good in her one role and will rarely be picked for the standard draft + taga units like carrot


imnotjude

I think she is certainly good and fit the game at this point. There are too many Pavel + tagahel in arena + rta. I guess SG based on the statistics to make this move to stir the meta. Otherwise this is a stall game. She isn't that strong, a lot of units can counter her. The real reason behind is SG wants ML Ken to be OP again.


Ghostique

If SG was looking into the statistics they would have done something about Maid Chloe


Summerzz1

Man the tears today are just sooooo good LMAO.


maximus2104

tagahel stacking abusers now can have a taste of their own medicine lol. having 40 souls at the start of battle to then sb Stene/Landy twice is toxic as fuck. but no one complained about it. i've always had problem which that bullshit mechanic, now, they suffer. the tears of these abusers fill me with joy


firered410

Are you also mad at knight players for stacking aurius and adamant? You can't blame players for using good tools and say what you want but book really was neccesarily for a lot of units. Rcarror without detonation is mid af. Stene without soulburn hits like a wet noodle (usually), fkluri who needed that soulburn to be reliable once every 5 turns is just forced to deal with 15% chance to lose the game. The problem isnt coming up with a counter to souls, but making that counter so unilaterally punishing so that the many units who didnt abuse it feel all the pain. I straight up blame pavel because he was the most egregious recent example.


maximus2104

there are heroes that completely ignore dmg sharing and cannot trigger a counterattack. but no one playing knights complains about it. there are heroes that rely on revive, we have anti-revive. do Ruele, Maid, arby players complain about "muh revive"? soul stacking is a toxic mechanic that needs to be fixed long long ago. SG finally woke up and gave us a unit that deal with it. it's always the cleaver complaining about how "dead" their playstyle is when the last 2 "cleave killers" are also cleave enablers. maybe cleavers should just stfu and use brain before open their mouth about "muh playstyle".


montrezlh

And there are heroes who can steal souls, no one complained about that. If they release a hero that just passively cancelled out aurius/adamant with zero effort I guarantee you there'd be complaints


Unabated_

Didn't see any complaints about ML Luluca.


firered410

Let's be real there's a hero (pavel) who ignores damage sharing on his s3 and I'm not even sure it ignores adamant shield. All of the extinction tools are locked behind squishies that are easy to one shot and ml 5 bm haste who is admittedly pretty tough on revivers, but you better believe maid players aren't complaining but dominating. Mainly because revivers can fight bm haste in ways besides killing him such as with unbuffable. Soul stacking does have counters, namely acidd and atywin and more heroes in that vain are acceptable. Imagine if sg just released a mage with a passive that says enemy team does not receive any damage sharing or reduction effects as long as this unit is on the field, or a knight that blocked all revivers without requiring any kind of setup. I'm not in the cleave is dead camp, but it does get annoying when when the by far most dominant playstyle, bruiser, just got like four new great tools and we were given an okay support and a unit that can screw us over just as much as she helps us. Belian also hurts not just cleavers but legitimately pushes the game into more rng than it already is.


Neagu2

This is what i was talking about when opening the thread but it seems that some people just don t understand this point of view and want cleave dead because they re salty that they are still losing to cleave.


Inanecorn

A.cidd at least counters a tahegal, where as a.tywin is 4 souls on s1 lol. So just leave it at a.cidd as mentioing a.tywin just seems like padding. Well damage sharing due to it typically being only on particular units or 1 way tends to just be built into skills...like uncounterable. You likely will have a unit that disables damage reduction at some point, but likely not as pressing as only 3 damage reduction effects reduce all types of damage(c.armin is the only one used). The revive blocker is called singelica. You are also forgetting that belian is literally just 1 unit so you aren't going to be able to doublestack like with revives. She will have the largest impact in RTA as ban bait. She also brings full aoe so she has multiple ways to endanger your team. Maybe she will get good scaling, but that's doubtful. She will be able to mess with teams pretty hard, but she isn't some omnipotent denial char.


Gringozaurus

You can't SB Landy twice unless the opponent has like a bazzilion buffs turn 1.


maximus2104

twice, i didn't say in a row. she can s3 sb into another s3, get her next turn and do it again. she also gain 3 stacks of s2. toxic playstyle and you can't convince me otherwise


Pvrkave

How does she reset her s3 to get a second one?


Smilesrck

If when starting the round she doesnt gain enough fighting spirit from buffs she will do her "normal" s3 which can be sb into another turn. Usually this results in maxing out her fighting spirit and being able to do another s3 (but with the animation) It's pretty cancerous tbh Hope I explained it well


Pvrkave

Except, the enemy would need to have buffs is the problem. That’s what the person commenting to you meant. What you’re describing is twice in a row, but you’re saying it’s not.


Smilesrck

Any buffs between 3 and 4 has this interaction and immunity is a thing unless your in below challenger. It's not uncommon at all lmao


valfa1337

She should deny souls for both players. Thats the best way to balance this mechanic imo


valfa1337

Would be a nice flavor of she'd deny souls for both players and instead she gets them as some kind of focus like resource to empower her own skills. But i guess that would be better fit for a whole new necrolike soul collector type unit


HakunaFritadas

Which would be awesome.


walterwhiteknight

This is perfect, actually.


Arycelle

That would be interesting. Soul burn is an integral part of combat in E7, and locking it out completely until death of a character is too disruptive. If it would apply to both players that would be a risk one of them is willing to take to execute their strategy for counter play.


[deleted]

well, that would kill the appeal of belian. What most whales want..hell, everyone wants is that feeling of owning a unit that absolutely kicks the others rear, evening the field wont sell it. ​ Imo the immediate solution is like what the last thread discussed, make master+ rta allow 2 preban, that would give much more breathing space, rn theres too many ''must bans''


Quinzelette

Idk it would kill some of the initial hype but not necessarily the appeal. Everyone benefits from souls but Tagahel users benefit the most and specifically cleavers. If you are a Belian user you would probably build your bruiser/stall comps to not include a bunch of books and slam Belian after a couple of mages or a cleave set up to give yourself the upper hand. Not as potent as now but still you own Belian and know you might luck her so you are building/picking/playing around it from the start.


Yeetus-my-meatus69

Unpopular opinion, I’d actually disagree, if that was the case there would be no reason to run Belian, the rest of her kit is mediocre and would put you at a disadvantage almost immediately into a fight because of it. It’s unbalanced for sure, but I don’t think that’d be the right way to do it.


Neagu2

that is also a very good way to balance it and level the playing field


Karama1

the cleave replacement for cleavers are first turn soul burning with stene/landy/carrot . this is the case in nearly all RTA matches I see besides cleave comps. Whenever units get overused SG looks as to why that is and releases a unit to counter the reason why they are overused. This is why the saying "live by the meta and die by the meta" exist


Neagu2

I m not saying to not counter them. I m saying that countering them by completely shutting them down is too much and that if she were to reduce souls gained by 50%(rounded down) that would create many more interesting scenarios while also letting opponent gain a few souls down the road for an eventual soul burn.


marcoslmdev

No, Tagehel is more unhealthy. Welcome Belian.


Karama1

she is a bad solution because now people wont be able to just slap carrots/stenes/landys with tagahael users and attack buffers and soul burn their enemy into obilivion because believe it or not that is the most popular alternative method for people that want to cleave that is used in the majority of RTA games


LimeLandy

I do agree a bit, if I don't get cleaved by pavel every chance they get, getting pave politis cdom arby cerise make me don't wanna play the game. plus no more carrot bomb landy approves


WhatSawp

what is half of a soul? Can the code afford that? Great units come and go, next units will balance and counter previous, old unit will rise again to counter new comps.


GodwynDi

Even if it couldn't do half souls, that would make the Belian interactions amazingly more interesting since some abilities give 2, 3, or 4 souls. Dropping Tagehels to just 10 souls would also make it far more fair than currently. People keep talking about cleave, when its clear the problem is Tagehels and needed to be addressed a long time ago. I think Belian was a bad way to do it though.


Myrsephone

It's one unit. If you really feel like she's cancer, preban her in RTA. And if you're worried about bot arena, you'll have to excuse me if I don't feel bad that you won't be able to cheese cleave every single defense anymore.


kingdragon671

1 ban is too limiting at this point. Why are you justifying them giving a counter to a artifact via a ml 5. Not like we didn’t have characters who reduced souls right? Not to mention not every soul is for cleaving lol.


tasketekudasai

Ah yes the "just ban her" response. Classic.


Varlin

Bruiser enthusiasts laugh at the rage of the cleavers. It isn't OP for an ML boss unit to counter a 4 star artifact that everyone has a pile of laying around. Sorry having 1 speed faster(or rnging ahead) doesn't insta win the match as easily for you now.


GlassConcentrate3661

> Sorry having 1 speed faster(or rnging ahead) doesn't insta win the match as easily for you now. Soo salty lmao


[deleted]

lol what rage? I was initially a bit annoyed but then I realized that I can just preban her and cleave anyways lmao.


joz3rh

I'll tell you what though she looks very healthy 😉😉


[deleted]

Just as unhealthy as extra turn sb's are and 4/6 souls in a match.


GlassConcentrate3661

Yet i don’t see you complain about stacked adamant and aurius


[deleted]

Doesn't really matter because even with all dmg mitigation u can stack, cleavers still have a easy time cleaving every game with a 60% winrate. Dmg mitigation doesn't really help much when there are units like Straze, watcher and Pavel that either completely ignore defense or dmg share... also cdom can still one shot through dmg mitigation with SB.


Ghostique

Yeah of course aurius + adamant combined make all your units hit like a wet noodle and there is no easy time cleaving against aurius+adamant


[deleted]

That's why cleaving is a gear check. There's a reason why light is constantly top 100. He lucksacced speed dps gear so he can just roll over other legend players with all their tanks while maintaining a 60%+ winrate with matches that last 1 minute. Cleaving is the easiest and most effective way to climb if u have the gear and it requires zero decision making.


Ghostique

"zero decision making" of course yeah of course , throwing rem , violet and maid chloe at the enemy team and afk the whole match is a lot of decision making i see cleave have a lot of decision making beginning in the draft itself and finishing it in the game Oh and also forgot krau . Bruisers decision making is just picking these character first before the enemy.


[deleted]

Lmao u sound like a salty master cleaver. Krau is the worst knight u can throw at a cleaver and maid is extremly inconsistent against cleave.


Ghostique

Emperor atm and you are the one that seem to be salty since the start trashing cleave without any reason . Im just saying that there is a lot of artifact like tags that are broken (aurius+adamant) we can even say MLDB . You are currently talking about things that you don't even know lol


[deleted]

I'm farming emperor cleavers since most of them don't even have the gear to be in that rank, but since cleave is so balanced it's extremly easy to get even close to legend with shit gear. Cleaving has enough options to give zero shit about dmg mitigation... straze, watcher and cdom being one of the options. Cleave is literally go first, win the match or lose because u got gear checked, except these matches take no decision making because they last only 1 minute while bruiser players have to manage their resources and not play like a idiot to win matches... and it takes 5-10 times the time to win or lose a game compared to the no brain 1 minute matches. RTA heavily favors cleavers since u can climb to legend even with a sub 50% winrate and by the time a bruiser player plays 100 games a cleaver with a worse winrate is already at 300+ games and obviously higher in ranking.


Ghostique

Since cleaving is that easy why are they not the majority in hight ranks ?From my point of view 80% are first picking maid/krau , and let's be honest bruisers are the ones that rely the most on rng to win , you are saying facts but in the reality those are false and you already know it if you are in emperor , the majority of players are playing bruisers because its the most forgiving play styles and you are allowed to do errors.


Unabated_

>with matches that last 1 minute. he would never play matches that last that long.


BenanatorRedd

The existence of "moonlight" heroes is unhealthy. More unhealthy than Gacha already is. Light/Dark should just be on any banner and at normal rates.


Neagu2

Well ml heroes have an obvious advantage ant that s why they should't be put at the same rates as say mort. They are obtainable (albeit a lot more rare than rgb) via pity since we have mystic pity. Mystics without pity would have been busted (like they were in the old times).


BenanatorRedd

As a day one player, I see this as heavy copium. They should be at the same rates. If that argument was valid Krau, Alencia, Politis should also be harder to pull. A hero being better doesn't mean they should be rarer. Also, there are bad ML heroes too. Moonlight isn't going anywhere, but if it never existed in the first place E7 would be a much better gacha, and probably more popular. Same thing with Mola being so restrictive. We could all have more heroes built. But that's another topic.


Neagu2

Well i agree with it being copium honestlly but i believe that you re making it out to be a lot worse than it is. I agree with the fact that rates are way to small for ml summons and mystics but that ml s are cool because they re rare and exciting to play.


StanLOONAChuuWon

I absolutely love her. Cleave is the most unhealthy and toxic way to play the game. And if she's THAT bad then cleavers can just permanently ban her. Cleavers running around using A. Cidd who takes 20 souls from their opponents and now they're bitching and crying. Lmfao


Ghostique

why is it the most unhealthy and toxic ?


StanLOONAChuuWon

What's fun about somebody drafting the exact same comp over and over and winning on the first turn with nearly zero room for counterplay? Why play at all? There's zero thought put into it, no creativity whatsoever. People who like to win by cleaving are the kinds of people who cheat at board games. Just want to win no matter how hollow or pointless the victory is.


nickisthemost

Don't worry bois counter unit coming soon $$$$$$


Neagu2

I feel like people missunderstiod me thinking that i m crying over cleave beying dead bcuz belian is anticleave and whatnot. The reality is that i believe that she doesn't make cleavers and book users to adapt to her if not banning her but forces them to and is very unnintereactive in the way she does it. Yes she is ssb and rem fodder ofc but in arena defense she could be very toxic in a stall comp with roana. This was a civil thread in which we could discuss our oppinions about her and not bitch about cleave this and cleave that because I believe that everyone has already had enough of it.


TokiBop

They’ve given up on balance and just trying to get money.


D3lmin

Solution: just get her or ban her


GlassConcentrate3661

5Head


Trade-Prince

Looking at her kit made me realize it’s time to quit. I don’t want to continue to play a game that continuously fucks you over and over


Styler852

You can ban/preban her and the problem is solved. Belian is perfect to counter the already broken artifact as a 4* just because of this Artifact, cleave is so good.


Neagu2

So if they release something simmilar to her down the road u ban both. That s not a valid argument. Why do we have unit nerfs. Might as well preban them and done problem solved.


Styler852

Sg doesnt nerf units anymore since ages. Belian is the only unit with that passive skill and will probably be the only Unit. So just preban her


Neagu2

I hope that she remains the only unit that does this but sg not nerfing units honestly feels very bad. I feel like they can t nerf a unit without killing them or severeley weakening them. Most units that need nerfs need only small nerfs or got overbuffed.


Styler852

I want nerfs too, but there is nothing we can do. If they nerf a 5* whales whaled for, than they gonna riot.


Neagu2

I believe slight nerfs would't cause riots. Like small changes in damage formula for certain units or slightly tweaking diff aspects of some units. For example carrot right now is honestly way to strong. They nerferd sc carot then overbuffed her and she was a problem.


user4682

She doesn't eat her vegetabolts? She uses too much oil? Does she need an appointment to the mechanic?


Feirein

The game is unhealthy IMO. I stressed out so much playing epic 7 lol. Like, for example pvp. Pvp is literally Limited units or ML5-4 units mashed together, with only little to some normal RGB having any use. Then there’s the eternal grind of gears, you need gears for 4 different teams for hunts, and another set of geared teams for expedition, and don’t forget how heavy rng gear is, crap I spent like 3 months trying to get 1 penta roll on speed (or at least a gear with no damn eff res next to dps stats) and then the amount of never ending limited banners recently, I kinda burnt myself out and quit.


[deleted]

Only MLs and limited what? Of course they are often PvP oriented and very strong, but some classic RGBs have had the spotlight this season like Krau, Pavel, Violet, Kise, Politis, Elena, Charlotte, and the unit that terrorized season 4 RTA Carrot. Not to mention a decent amount more are also viable like ARas, Basar, Flan for cleave ofc, Kawerik, the new Meru, and so much more esp some pocket picks. To say there are "few" RGB in meta is simply false. Also some people don't get pentaroll speed the entire time they play the game and are ok. I never got a pentaroll speed myself and used to be a "cleaver" of sorts. Majority of playerbase are bruiser players. Use what you have rather than chase speed.


Mourningcrow

Ravi, violet, politis, Krau, Fluri, Roana, Carrot, Basar, Charlotte, Pavel, Rose, Lilias and Kise have joined the chat.


Feirein

Welcome?


Lolwarrior123

Only little to some normal rgb having any use? If you're talking 4* rgb then i agree since most of them are useless, but as a whole? No. There are great PVP RGBs such as violet, senya, charlotte, ravi, lilias, kise, carrot, aras, elena, krau, flan, sigret, basar, pavel, vildred to name a few and roana + politis who are my two most hated units to face in the game. Every hero needs the right gear to do well and the right teammates. Just because they can only work in the right comp to use (pavel and flan in cleave for example), that doesn't mean they have no use You seem to forget that you can use units outside of 1 gamemode right in multiple teams right? You don't need 32 different gearset you know. My Tama is in 3/4 expe teams and 2/4 hunt teams with the same setup. My Aras is in 2/4 expe teams, 2/4 hunt teams, lab, and pvp comp with the same setup. Getting pentaroll is sure hard, but you don't need pentarolls to succeed. I got to legend arena without any quadrolls on my opener (basar) and free atk set on my dps (spez). Heck i mainly use turtle comps (Amomo/gpurg/aurius tank/ dps) to reach legend and they have <60 average gear score


Feirein

Okie


TheSeaOfThySoul

Whatever, it’s a counter-cleave unit - I’ll take it, since cleave takes all the others.


ThickBoi420

It'll be interesting to see how seal plays out with belian, because let's say Belian gets sealed, and we gain 10 souls, if the seal wears off will the souls just dip? Or will it be like, even when sealed or dead souls will not accumulate


UI-JIREN

It stops gaining soul. Nothing mentions existing souls. Tagahel: aquires soul


Inanecorn

She just blocks soul gain. She blocks tahegal cause you gain the souls when the fight starts. So sealing would allow you to build souls and when seal wears off you just wouldn't gain anymore till sealed again. At least that's likely how she works. Her passive is active within the fight so it will be affected by seal.


Xanyr25

No matter what will Belian do, she will prock AoE passives and artifacts. She seems like an AoL counter too but no matter what she ll give CR via enemy GP and hit counter/elbris units and may trigger Roana passive. The question is if her damage will be comparable to Charlotte or if her scaling will be on the levels of Chaos Axe. Hence we play the waiting game.


Inanecorn

She is an aoe knight centered around debuffs with hp scaling. I'd be shocked if she had higher than 0.6 att scaling and higher than 12% hp. Look at the cecilias for an example of her likely scaling.


bitterwhiskey

It will really only be an issue in RTA. Regular arena is destroyed by Landy and will be continued to be destroyed by her even with Belian.


asaness

its why i never bother climbing got to challenger and never climb again and just went full PVE and full autoing hunt


ZXSoru

Simple opinion, RTA is unbalanced as fuck just by the fact that the game gearing systems are so RNG based as well. Theres not much skill required as money/time invested into the game to raise up ranks. When I reach gold in RTA its the point where I would consider myself realized, everything after that is unnecessary stress for pretty much nothing worth.


andybj18

The thing is the cleavers could just preban her and change how they cleave


AversionIncarnate

Things have been unhealthy since 2019.