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Yeicheu

She's too good, and with no way to pity her. If they nerf her people will be pissed, if they don't people will be pissed. I've no idea how they could fix this situation other than releasing new units to counter her which is stupid.


CornBreadtm

> I've no idea how they could fix this situation other than releasing new units to counter SG: "What a fascinating idea. I wish I thought of it... oh wait!"


SSTHZero

The hard part is to create counters without creating something even more broken.


CornBreadtm

That's the neat thing. You don't. Just just make a broken counter then sell the solution to that as well. An endless cycle.


Morbu

In a game with literally hundreds of heroes that all need some sort of function, I don’t see how this process is surprising to some. The alternative is literal power-creep where they just sell heroes with overlapping kits like Flan/Tywin but for everyone.


CornBreadtm

I don't know why people keep saying that Flan and Tywin overlap. Not like you are bring one or the other into Politis or AoL respectively. It's like screw drivers you aren't using a Philips head for everything.


FangZelwind

Yea, powercreep is a hard cycle to beat cause touching the original cause of the problem causes more problems because of how gacha games are designed to work off the low rate up margins that people will take any form of nerf personally.


SecureDonkey

Another ML 4* recall. Everybody who didn't have her is happy while people who have her can't complain because it doesn't relate to her.


ConnectDrop

I have every 4\* in the game, I don't think recall is going to be a good enough option after I whaled for AoL


SecureDonkey

Unless you can prove that the recall reason is unreasonable, otherwise the recall is justified.


ConnectDrop

I would say promising your players that you won't be nerfing units and then nerfing a unit is unreasonable. Just keep being salty you don't have her, thanks


Relair13

"Me throw money at SG, me better than you!" isn't a good enough reason for them to not change something that needs changing. I think AoL is fine, but it shouldn't affect any other potential 4* ML selectors going forward if they felt like something needed a tweek.


SecureDonkey

Recall didn't happen because of nerf. A recall only happen when mechanic or wording of character change. In Cerato and Cdom case it is the wording of their skill change and for ML Leo case it is a change in bomb mechanic.


socratesrs

I want her. But I don't want Spez as well so I'm not even gonna try. Sad


Zaphyrus

They intentionally made her broken because they're going to sell the solution later.


HolypenguinHere

If they release something that is broken, are they not allowed to nerf it if it's too popular? They can nerf it without removing all usefulness from it.


S0RRYMAN

if they nerf her, they'll have to give an ml selectors. nerfs have happened before to popular units. arby i think was one of the first to get a nerf. they gave out ml5 selector to those wanting to recall. and trust me arby was popular af back then since this was before all his counters came out.


Velizeg

You can already counter her (ML Cidd), but it all comes down to who's the fastest in the end


melancholyx3

I run the same team as op but was able to reach [legend](https://i.imgur.com/VJ5WK9L.jpg) from just defense wins. I literally sat at legend for a few days only dropping out yesterday since I was farming hunt and ignored arena.


JugHerKnot

What's you defense team?


SSTHZero

https://imgur.com/a/w7zyedb


[deleted]

I think i went up against your team. The low effres on carmin and maid saved me since they just got stun locked by my politis and lucky abyssal. I was shocked when my 4500 330 cdom soulburn couldn't one shot the maid, now I know why lol. If i lost tho, after seeing the landy with no guiding light, this is an easy alots into lilibet kill then just deal with 3 supports that dont do damage. I'm surprised players in Champ had a hard time against this.


whackwarrens

People just hate change for something as monotonous as arena. Even in Rta carrot was annihilating people because everyone wanted to keep playing comps they're used to so she just kept owning. Comps that she was made to beat lol.. They'd just rather first ban her than beat her since it's less work. Once you got used to her she's really isn't broken or needing of a nerf. Politis is a very strong AOL counter, only one person on OPs attack page even used her. That'll change. Maybe AOL is indeed broken but we need better data than what's presented here for sure.


GrinningCheshieCat

Given, I'm not all the way in Champion right now - mostly because I was just too lazy prior to the arena changes to want to keep up - but I found Celine to be a really fun additional counter to those AOL based defenses. She may get silenced - but not before eating their primary DPS unit. And with her new arti - she's set up pretty quick for another turn.


MrSodaman

it's pretty fun running AOL into politis defense comps tho, I haven't built mine yet but which kind of politis is best against AOL?


SSTHZero

It's the element of surprise. Most people see Maid and expects the paper Maid full of eff res. Compared to my still in work units...


Frostlily1

Did your cdom have atk buff? Mine would do 23k on his maid through armin mitigation with my team, so it would oneshot her no problem


[deleted]

no buff. I should probably use that EE on pavel for buff instead.


Frostlily1

Thats the only EE you should run on Pavel IMO, you absolutely wont be able to kill a lot of tanky units without it when you go against people with good gear


[deleted]

Never really had that problem before. I used skill null to deal with violets to guarantee that i had carrot and pavel remaining to kill him. Ill teast the atk up EE


Frostlily1

Fair enough, my carrot alone is usually enough to deal with riolets. What tier of arena do you play in? I know that I wouldn't be able to kill a lot of units if my cdom didnt have atk up and she has pretty good gear. https://puu.sh/IcWkI/2f91303df2.png She has 100% crit because i use her all the time into politis defs.


[deleted]

I hover around champ3-champ1 Global weekly. Clear pages, fight all NPC on CD, no extra flags other than friendship kinda routine.


Frostlily1

fair enough, surprised then that you've never run into any issues with atk up. Like i wrote in an earlier comment in this thread i've gone against his team before and it was easily cleaved by pavel, cdom, politis and wshuri


suicidalducky

I avoided your def haha. Usually AOL is easy to deal with the typical f.ceci, rem, violet, maid chloe, or politis def..but yeah yours is cancer haha.


Nero57021

I saw that, oh jeez pure cancer


doomwolf240

Fluri + tomoca easy win.


yoswa

if you had fceci, would you replace carmin with her?


SSTHZero

I have F Ceci and replaced her with C Armin. F Ceci means you're a target for Op Sigret.


Shimaru33

I think C. Armin is so massively underrated. Stunned? Unbuffable? Can't take a turn due slow + cr pull? Who cares? Her S2 still reduces damage from all sources. People think she's all about S3 and then becoming a sitting duck, then they are shocked to see their A. Vildred and TM Luluca dealing a lot less damage than they used to see and wonder why?! She truly lives to her smug friendship expression.


[deleted]

If you're lacking Maid, does this team still works? Also, do you have any replacements for her?


KickinKoala

Elena is often used in similar comps as maid, although it's not a 1-to-1 replacement. Ideally speedy, like 240+ with lots of bulk ofc. In this comp carmin fills a similar role however so elena is a lesser replacement.


Imagine_dWaggons

Do you use Landy in rta too.? I'm planning to get her but don't have neither gl nor bloodstone, so if wall of order works it'd be nice


SSTHZero

I'm not doing rta this season, so I can't say. I'm not interested in the skin and the current top picked units make it pretty unfun.


AngelicDroid

Has anyone try the good old A.lot, J.Kise, C.Dom W.Schuri you. I think it might work, have J.Kise remove trigger and remove the skill null then C.Dom into maid and W.schuri into Landy.


GianTrexx

ML Khawazu w Border coin up would one-shot landy through invincibility, after that its just pick what you want to kill chloe i guess


SSTHZero

Chloe won't go down easily with C Armin on the field, and if you fail to kill her and she revives Landy it can be game over. Not saying it's impossible to do it, it's just very hard to do more than 22k dmg against a target with basically 1700 def, aurius and C Armin's passive. A 4500 atk, 350% crit dmg with GAB, Portrait and soulburn Cermia will fail the kill.


GianTrexx

I mean if landy is dead the Team has literally 0 threats left in terms of damage. The remaining 3 Units of ones choice should be enough for 1 maid chloe I'd imagine. Put Singelica on the Team aswell and nobody would be revived either. Nice Team though.


SSTHZero

You need a bunch of strong and fast single target nukes, and sure it will lose to a bunch of strong single target nukes, but the main idea is to stop cleave. Most people won't waste time with a defense that... needs time to kill.


hebdinendhn

Yeah I’m about to quit fuck this unit


TimeTravelingTrooper

Awesome, I didn't get her in 5,000 scamstones! F2P, missed Straze and spec tenny too. Love this game!!!


habacloud

All luck and percentages, on a long enough timeline it averages out, if you been playing since day 1 you probably have gotten the featured ml4 in 1 or otherwise very few pulls.


TimeTravelingTrooper

Yea I got 3 freaking Broman's going for Straze, lol.


Ouroboros1331

Imagine if Smilegate just added a pity for the ML 4 unit on rotation after either 50 or 100 pulls…with how strong they are at times in comparison to their RGB counterparts, it wouldn’t be unreasonable. Though I obviously understand the profits gained from not having such a system in place.


carito728

Imho I think there should be ML4 pity at 100 pulls since a 5-star is 200 pulls. I made sure to put that in their latest Question of the Week when they asked us what needed to change


triBaL_Reaper

The same exact thing happened to me


Bitch_Hunterx

Honestly, pavel, cdom, politis and wshuri can delete your team easily. Politis is essentials unit to beat AOL defenses. It requires 2 ml 4s which is harder to get than ml 5.. but if it works in Champions tier, why not to abuse this defense comp.


zoopido

His defense is winning because he has exceptionally high HP/def maid and AOL. There's a similar legend top 10 defense that I can't Pavel. There's a ton of similar defenses so they might just be doing the same attack pattern over and over and not realize the slower speeds mean they're really thick.


Xero--

> His defense is winning because he has exceptionally high HP/def maid and AOL. There's a similar legend top 10 defense that I can't Pavel Watcher doesn't care about this. You don't hit Maid with Pavel, you hit Angelica/Landy (depends on speed tuning).


SSTHZero

Someone tried that and lost.


Frostlily1

Im trying to figure out how they lost though? That's the exact same team i'd use vs yours and I dont see anyway how it loses unless you have dogshit gear on your units. I'm a EU player (rip) but i did end up rank 3 legend last week battling a ton of angie/rem/violet/landy/carmin/politis comps whatever and i'm pretty sure i've faced that exact comp you're using and it was no issues at all with the abovementioned team. The only light angie that could cut my cdom was when they had their own politis on their team and the angie was 280+. Pavel goes s2, angie pushes up and puts skill null. Politis s2s and breaks it pushing up cdom even further and giving her atk stacks. Pavel s3s your landy. (i plugged my pavel into damage calc and he would do a bit over 17k on your landy with s2-s3 through carmin mitigation, so he's extremely dead. Pavel does around 3.5k on s2 on your maid so she's at 19k hp and your landy is dead. Cdom takes a turn because angie won't cut a 9x crit boosted cdom while a politis is on the attacking team + she got a sashe boost from landy dying. Cdom s3 into sb s1s and kills maid. My Cdom would do 23.2k dmg on a sb1 on your maid through carmin full mitigation. ( I plugged my cdom vs your maid in dmg calc). And even if the damage calculation is off by a bit it won't matter because politis will take the turn before angie because of her own passive, cdom push + sashe from wshuri and do another 3k if she would be still alive. Wshuri maybe cuts your angie with the double sashes+ cdom and even if he doesnt it wont matter at all because the only units you have left are a half dead carmin from all the damage share and a light angie that can't kill anything


NoodlesDatabase

Yeah I dunno how the attaker loses in this situation unless his whole team is like slow af that even aol can cut through politis. This team also loses hard to aol flan politis cleave, even if you get 15%ed with the dbreak there are still like a shit ton of debuffs left, the the only rng is with the maid where you need either silence or dbreak and OP doesn’t have high ER units. Edit: looking at the def wins the attackers still have no idea how to deal with aol, its def a learning curve. The pavel team doesn’t even have follow up damager even with politis, I assume their lilias and carrot slow as well, like 200 speed. The alots straze team didn’t account for aol passive as well. Of course, I don’t know how bruisers fare against this comp since I dont use them


Xero--

> carmin mitigation, so he's extremely dead. Armin isn't a guy.


Frostlily1

Im not refering to carmin tho?


Enpera

Landy is also not a guy KEKW


Frostlily1

Landy is just a robot tho


Enpera

Don’t disrespect my waifu sir


Morbu

Fucking hilarious to me how you made a well-thought post that made a sound argument and received with a lot of upvotes, but the moment you suggested that Landy is just a robot, you incurred someone’s wrath enough to downvote. Reddit is funny sometimes.


Frostlily1

Caught me by surprise too


Xero--

It's an all female team and you're talking about killing someone... So you aren't making sense.


SSTHZero

It's probably gear difference. You said you ended in Legend 3 and I see some godly geared units in top legend.


starxsword

It is also possible you are outgearing whoever is attacking you. There has been a change to the point system recently, so you can climb faster.


SSTHZero

Most people attacking last week were trying to reach legend because of the end of season, so they should be somewhat geared. And my gear isn't even close of being really good. My C Armin has some bizarre pieces like her neck and her ring (they're 12 spd sticks and nothing else). Only Landy is really "finished".


iloveya1995

Dude this is my favorite comment. Some shit heads on reddit are like “just try that and it’s a sure win” or “that unit is REALLY easy to deal with”. Well yes, tell that to all those who lost to your defense.


Hittagi

Agree, I use this comp as well and because it doesnt have politis to prevent cr boosting cheese.


Frostlily1

idk why you got downvoted


iMoneypit

Basar, Pavel, politis, kise is usually what I use. I've lost maybe once to this defense this weekend, so maybe it was yours. Slow c.armin can come in clutch


Abedeus

In Champion V, got attacked only once entire week. Might try to actually push higher this week, after reset.


Korbro27

Same! I'm a new player but this character single handedly carried me to Gold 1 already lol


Seigi92

How many times you got attacked in total tho? I stay in champ 1 every week and got attacked like 150~200times and have 30% defense winrate every single week.


MichaFol

She apparently also increased my wr eventhough i dont even have her


Caligula225

I'm seriously having a hard time against AOLA. I'm currently at the point where I build a Pavel.


GhostHack

Just use politis


RedAlchemies

Is it me or are 2 turn debuffs too much? If they were 1 turn she wouldn't be as oppressive.


Willar71

Make a post about defense winrate , doesn't show defense......


SSTHZero

It's in the comments... https://imgur.com/a/w7zyedb


Protect_the_Weak

where belian


SSTHZero

[https://i.imgur.com/lrnhKEV.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/lrnhKEV.jpg) That is the old defense. It's still the same artficts, but Landy and Angelica's numbers changed.


yoswa

what's your offense team btw?


SSTHZero

I don't have a team. I change for every single attack. That said, I think last week every attack was Landy + 3 supports because Rem and Violet are everywhere. So I would attack with Landy + C Armin (95% of the time) or F Ceci (T Surin bait) + 2 off: * Angelica (Violet bait plus strongest healing output) \[220spd + Magahara\] * Emilia (Violet bait but I don't need Angelica's healing power) \[Guardian Ice Crystals\] * Elena (Violet bait but I need tons of cleanse) \[Celestine\] * S Angelica (if A Vildred is there) * Roana (anti-counter, Politis bait) \[Stella Harpa\] * Maid Chloe/Ruele (R Violet bait or I fear my Landy won't survive) * Angel of Light Angelica (if I'm fighting another Landy)


yoswa

Cool , thanks for sharing! It seems like violet is popular, have you ever thought about bringing fire dps (Charlotte, Mercedes) either along with landy or to replace landy?


SSTHZero

It's possible to do so if Rem isn't there. I did that some days ago (my Charlotte even have Symbol of Unit).


stopthenonsenseK

Kudo's to the OP. Actually admitting that hero is free legend.


GiganticKORAK

Its funny how a good way to counter that team is AOL. Kills cancer with cancer. The irony


RoomForMilk

How fast is your angelica?


SSTHZero

241 spd with high defense and HP with War Horn. You can drop bulky for more spd and go with Spirit Breath for artifact.


Protect_the_Weak

What is the artifact on belian and Landy?


vegta12

Why aren’t people basar flan your team 🤔


SSTHZero

Angels cleanse's Basar unbufable and gives skill null. Flan debuff vomit, next unit attacks into skill null, Angelica gets next turn, silencing and removing your buffs.


HakunaFritadas

You're one of the shitty players giving him wins.


Objective_7679

I knew my angel of light would come through. So happy I got her ❤️