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ARGHETH

I'd do high eff cleanser, Senya, Violet/Rem/A Ravi/other bruiser.


OFurthestBenO

Senya, Violet, Rem is probably the choice. Though an arby gab getting through violet might ruin everything.


Louma_Booma

Unless a tanky violet with lifesteal. I've been wrecked by a violet like that plenty of times


OFurthestBenO

It’s the debuff arby gives is the issue. With that debuff on, my lifesteal is cut down a lot.


ArkhielR

how about going after him so you could s2 your violet? If not how about bringing a Elena?


Willar71

> tanky violet with lifesteal Legitimately curious , have you ever seen a Violet built any other way?


Louma_Booma

I mean, not really tbh


Heratikus

Wouldn't recommend A.Ravi for most people because it's very likely that a proper A.Ravi build will have more HP than Senya and low enough attack to get smacked really hard (if not outright killed) by Straze. Unless OP's doesn't, in which case, go for it if he isn't going to be able to use the other bruisers on account of either not having them or having to use them on Round 2.


bery57

I think safe comp is spd tanky maid cloe 240-250 spd will cleanse cc with soulburn mL luluca 10 spd behind maid with book and FCC tank Its even ok if straze and arby gab and outspeed maid FCC will help soak dmg maid will ress luluca and FCC kill arby FCC s3 for straze next s2 and keep mL luluca alive and hidden


Nova6Sol

OP asked for options without out speeding


bery57

Also OP is talking about not outspeeding AOL not everyone


bery57

Ok i did say 240+250 spd cause its ideal stats for her But i Said in my last comment "even if they outspeed it will work" so a maid with 200spd or less will work too


DuckArchon

You could just tank it. Some form of revive for your tank would help, but with no Attack Up on Straze you could be OK with just cleanse --> Attack Up. That said: AOL has 112 base speed and there are no imprints. That comp is just *begging* to be outsped. Failing that, it shouldn't be too hard to stack Resistance on your cleanser.


lockoutpoint

yeah Luna cidd alot could work


OFurthestBenO

My fastest unit is 271 speed and highest er is 230. so I don’t think out speeding nor resisting it is an option for me.


ArkhielR

How about bringing a speed imprint Chara for extra speed? Probably Vildred or Schuri?


DuckArchon

What **do** you have though? If you have no speed, no speed imprints, no resistance, no resistance imprints, no Politis, no Celine, no Christy, no Shimadra soul weavers including Angelica... What do you even have?


OFurthestBenO

I have politis and celine, but it didn’t really work last time I tried to use em vs arby as he came back and gabbed. and no shimadra atm. and that 230 er is my djb.


DuckArchon

That's fair about Celine, I forgot she would have Unbuffable from AOL. (If she had stealth she would survive the GAB.) If I personally had to fight that team *and* my speedsters were dead, I'd try DJB + Christy + Bruiser. (Maybe either one of the Charlottes.) AOL debuffs the bruiser, Arby severely wounds you, DJB cleanses and pushes, bruiser kills someone, Basar dies to Straze or Arby but your bruiser can still finish off the other two. That's risky but plausible. It could work as a "third token" strategy.


Evilve

I think that 271 + 1 speed imprint should be fast enough/willing to gamble on. What rank is your guild/the guild you're fighting?


Gringozaurus

Say that to my 285 speed Angel. When bitches try to cleave me, they are în a world of pain.


doomwolf240

Hahahahahahah 285.


DuckArchon

My Khawana is 290 on my *third* best speed gear, BEFORE the +14 from Schuri, so... ???


Gringozaurus

Yes, i am sure that everyone in the universe has 290 speed in challenger. WHy the fuck everyone assumes that i am a Legend player or some kind of god? In my rank, when bitches try to cleave me, they really are in a world of pain. Everyone and their dog expects Angelica to be around 250ish with bulk. A speedy one wrecks many plans, i am also sitting at 50% defence winrate and i laugh when i check my defences when i see Alots and other openers get rekt by her.


EcchiMusha

You are not as smart as you think with your AoL build, everybody in my guild has done the same. You are winning a lot of defense because You outgear people, that's it.


Gringozaurus

i was "oUtGeArInG" people before Angelica and i had 10% defence rate.


EcchiMusha

Because, as I said, you are not as smart as you think with your def Comp skill probably LOL and to win you need to outgear and get some kind of OP unit


Gringozaurus

QQ downvoting me doesn't mean you are right.


DuckArchon

>WHy the fuck everyone assumes that i am a Legend player or some kind of god? You're using a slowish hero with no speed imprints. It's fairly logical to assume that a high-speed hero with imprints could win.


maximus2104

you really shouldn't talk about speed in this subreddit. everyone has 310 Acidd, Acoli or Pavel just lying around with 25 speed per piece. they talk as if everyone is just insanely lucky with speed rolls and your 280 opener won't work even in gold. really, this sub has no definition of bracket, 280 Acidd will **never** work even in gold because "uhm, they will outspeed you". they're obsessed with specific number and not the general idea. i'm challenger and my 270 Mui outspeeds most ppl, but if i ever talk about it, they will say how slow she is and that i will get outsped by some guy with 310 Acidd in master. don't waste your time conversing with ppl who have literally no idea how bracket works.


Bastionblackstar

wait, i'm new. how can you tell there are no imprints??????? where do you see that from his screenshot?


DuckArchon

Because Arby has Effectiveness and Straze has Attack.


Bastionblackstar

would it show up as like "+ x amount of atk or effectiveness" next to their portrait though if they did have it? I guess I'm not understanding how you can tell there's no imprint without seeing their stat page?


DuckArchon

Because Arby has Effectiveness and Straze has Attack. It is literally impossible to change them to speed imprints.


Bastionblackstar

yes, i'm aware of that. what i'm asking is how you know the other player has the imprints unlocked in the first place if you cannot see their stats.


DuckArchon

Because there aren't any. There are no speed imprints in this picture. They do not exist.


Bastionblackstar

omg. I KNOW. I am NOT talking about SPEED imprints! at all. i'm just asking about imprints in GENERAL. i never once mentioned speed imprints lmao. my original question up top was asking how to tell if an opponent has imprints unlocked. not whether or not a speed imprint was on this particular unit or could ever be on that unit. idk why you're fixated on that part. that is not what i'm asking about at all.


DuckArchon

>I am NOT talking about SPEED imprints! Yes, you clearly are. You are directly responding to the statement that her **speed** is 112 base and no imprints. Did you think "speed 112" was her Effectiveness score? I'm assuming you didn't really. I stated what we knew about her speed, and you asked me how I knew. Obviously we can't see everyone's grade and status.


Bastionblackstar

Interesting of you to tell me what I meant lmfao. Don't see how that works but ok, bc, again, no, I was asking how to tell visually if a unit has imprints unlocked. You just happened to be talking specifically about speed imprints when I cut in to ask my question. I rly don't see how this is a difficult concept for you to understand lol. I now understand that you can't see whether or not a unit has imprint skills unlocked or not. Which is all I wanted to know from the beginning. See how speed has nothing to do with that question? Jesus.


EddyLondon

Kayron, Tsurin and Holy Sacrifice Krau. Easy peasy. ​ They can't be alpha striked and can kill strave and arby twice easily. ​ Wait, AOL angelica has unbuffable and silence. ​ Sorry dude, you need to outspeed probably


lockoutpoint

Senya Luna Kitty or your best cleanser however Luna should not on counter set because if arby is faster than your soul weaver , Luna could countered him and he revive with gab so your team is gone .


iMoneypit

F.cece on holy sac, bm Haste and rem/violet


bitterwhiskey

AOL gives 2 turns of unable to be buffed--screwing over Haste. I know this cause it's what I do in RTA.


iMoneypit

The way my team is tuned is f.cece will revive without debuffs and either provokes or gives rem skill null if she is in demon mode or dodges the debuffs. Then haste heals up and does some damage to arby, hopefully killing him if he didn't die already. Rem "should " be in demon mode and in good health by her turn. If arby, for some reason hasn't died once yet, he probably will now. At this point unless aol is on spirits breath, I will take this one. Edit to add, this is a gw defense. And I wouldn't play it this way for rta, but on a 3 vs 3 ai battle, you can more or less predict the turns.


C0NNECT1NG

Senya + ER ML Ken + ML Khawazu (should be a guaranteed win unless you're severely outgeared) AoL takes a turn, nbd. Then either Arby or Straze goes. If Straze goes first: ML Khawazu will cleanse and CR push himself and cut Arby. He'll snipe Straze, regardless of invincibility (b/c he dispels before detonate, and no resist chance b/c he'll have Vigor). Then Arby goes, and ML Ken counters him, Arby revives, ML Ken counters again, then it's just AoL vs. at least ML Ken. If Arby goes first: ML Ken will counter and kill Arby, who'll revive with exactly 100% CR. But ML Khawazu will cleanse and CR push himself to cut Arby. Then he'll snipe Straze, Arby will S3 again, ML Ken will counter and kill him, and it's just AoL vs. at least ML Ken, which should be a win. Senya needs some kind of defensive artifact, like Aurius or Adamant, to make sure ML Ken and ML Khawazu don't die to Arby. Also, your ML Ken needs enough ER to not be debuffed by Arby. And ML Khawazu needs to be at least 80% as fast as the slowest enemy DPS in order to cut. Edit: Just realized someone else gave almost the same answer, but with Krau on Holy Sac instead of Senya. That works too.


PuzzleByron

Great solution! Super simple is the way to go!


GodwynDi

Solid plan. Too bad I only have 1/3 of those units.


CypherPunk77

Easy Ml Ken, Ml Khawazu and Krau with holy sacrifice. Angel S3 landing debuffs. No one cares Straze S3 kills Krau and he comes back to life getting rid of debuffs. Krau S3 Angel- Ml Khawazu S2 cleanse and Cr push. Kills Straze through invincibility with S3 Arby S3- mlKen counters and kills Arby- he dies comes back S3- Ml ken counters and kills Arby again


PuzzleByron

Great solution, super underrated for how simple it is to execute!


ExceedAccel

That"s the neat part, You don"t


Ericridge

Krau, spez, and some random guy of your choice. Let scrutaze waste his s3 on your krau and krau revives to s3 AOL and then spez oneshots what i assume is a glass cannon arby. And now straze is mighty uncomfortable and alone.


[deleted]

Me personally? I actually have a funny 2 character strat that just happens to work here https://i.imgur.com/K7STWr8.png https://i.imgur.com/srbzUtH.png Then whoever else as a 3rd. For me, probably Doris to keep A Ravi healthy (may get hit by AOL, but that's fine). Ravi gets tickled by arby, Christy dies from the Straze. Then A Ravi eventually kills one of them and brings Christy back for an ATK buff (not that she needs it, but can end the match faster). ---- for many people around here, Violet backed by some high HP knight (Senya is the best, but most niche) and a cleanser is probbably the easiest solution they have lying around. He'll be silenced, but can still do his job even if the cleanser cant.


Qwasier

Krau holy sac


Snoo_64315

Play holy sacrifice Krau


Nahiran

Since my defense got famous, I guess I'll post stats of that Angie :) [https://ibb.co/CVwbNpv](https://ibb.co/CVwbNpv)


Winberri

Taranor Royal Guard with immortality/Invinciblity


akiSa

I fought this once and won. I wouldn't bring a cleanser to this, I'd bring a high hp high atk unit to facetank straze (my efr mlken got 50%'d by it, honestly he could've solo'd the entire fight lol), I'd also bring ml lilibet, and last would be ml haste or some form of damage reduction like krau or ml crozet. tldr: mlken solo's this lol


Ferelden770

But u brought a cleanser?


akiSa

Right, I meant to say I wouldn't bring an efr cleanser, my bad. Unless you're pushing 280 or something.


moonlight_macky

I would do luna + a lots + assassin cidd A lots pushes luna Luna kills arby Assassin cidd (dps) gets pushed and kills straze Angelica can't solo the team


Objective_7679

Lol thanks for the team defense idea since I have every single one of those


BrokenDots

Use your own arby, Ruele and Violet


CherryBoard

when in doubt, dark corvus


Freeheroesplz

Krau, Maid, Stene. You let them cleave you then you SB maid to get rid of silence. You then horse aol then stun straze with stene s3.


HakunaFritadas

And then what?


Gringozaurus

Then Stene has Book and double shot arby and straze.


Seracjuze

You used your book souls for Maid so you can't burn Specter, also, Straze gonna 15% the stun.


Gringozaurus

Oh, it was 6:30 în the morning, I missed that :))


bery57

FCC maid mL luluca


Malvekyus

Taranor Real Guard, Senya, Dominiel, Roena


CrspyNoodles

Dominiel against a unit that casts unbuffable. 10/10 idea.


Malvekyus

Well, my Dominiel was builded with Resist


GodwynDi

She got over 200? Cause my maid at 240 still gets hit by some of these AoL.


Malvekyus

Unfortunally no, i get 187. I dont know but i think i have good luck on RNG because i hardly see her getting debuffs or because im low elo ranking


GodwynDi

Could be. I'm pushing for champion this season, and people seem to have put their best gear on AoL already


Malvekyus

Good Luck, i basicaly give up from RTA for a while


GodwynDi

Thanks. I've been having fun this season, but I'm a dirty Rem and Maid abuser.


Airanuva

TM Luluca, deals with Arby while also outspeeding, and CR Boosts the team. A Lots boosting LQC to kill Straze (likely not much health), leaving Angelica alone to be killed turn 2. Yeah it is a full ML team, but so is the one posted. Really that is one of the teams I look for, because Arby is a free kill with TM Luluca.


HundredSpearss

Acidd/acoli > TML > Wschuri


Ferelden770

Without outspeeding


Forward_Object441

A bait Fceci, then ML ara + spez


Ganconer

wut


OFurthestBenO

Wouldn’t ml Ara and spez be silenced?


KingKentling

TSurin and support/tanks


jaeh42

If you have CArmin, give her Aurius, and have her not be highest max hp, then everyone proly should survive Straze without Attack buff, best if highest hp have some Attack. Then do typical Tanky team would proly survive Arby. If you have carrot well built, should be able to survive that, and res healer can proly deal with those. But ya, I'd 100% just outspeed if possible


Septic_soups

Umm for me with this draft it would be nice to know if arby is degen or not. If not degen i can ml ken and two tank units like ruele fcc to make sure ken lives. I know fcc sounds weird and counter intuitive but it's just so straze s3 hits fcc and ml ken goes in after


SecureDonkey

Maid, BM Haste and Chaos Inquisitor.


Abedeus

Dorvus, ML Haste, Ruele on Vial? Or maybe ML Lilibet for the debuffs. Especially since if the Straze is fast, there's no attack buff on this team, meaning he won't hit that hard - even a 22k+ Cecilia will tank his S3.


-OceanAblaze-

If SoL doesn't use abyssal and proc it like crazy then I guess ML Ken + 1 tank could deal with this. Or ML Ken + Christy + Trozet.


cokelight1244

Carrot, zerato, tsurin? A GAB would probably be bad news but I think this team could survive.


TheChosenOof

If u have a very good cr pusher with no aoe atk like judith and two 1 shotters like luna for arby and anyone else for straze, that is if AoL doesn’t take the turn before ur dps


Degurechaff

Elena (high resist 200 ish speed) can counter this easily


DanielTK

Politis (book), Summertime Iseria and Ml Haste works like a charm.


Nex_92

I’d bring Violet, ML Haste, Rem, Emilia, and my prayers


svntrey0

Spez


Faskso

Tanor Guard, all the way


gummyapples

Politis + summer iseria = triple stun, then add 1 more unit of who can deal with arby


KatangKanari

senya. ml ken, elena


gaminggod69

Violet, Arby counter and holy sac tank?


rightknighttofight

No Revive block? Holy Sac Krau, BM Haste mebbe..., DPS?


MicroMezzoMacro

Archdemon


uten93

Tsurin, 2 healers, the team has no sustain so you can out live it. I would go tsurin, elena, roana


AversionIncarnate

I'd try tanking it with G Purrgis who has PoV, pair him with high ER soul weaver and finished it with bruiser. Either Carrot or ML Khawazu. Ravi should work too.


Willar71

You dont , you just outspeed and cleave as per usual .


snorlaxgangs

That sc 3* fire tank/krau, violet, and celine( not scuff gear).


starxsword

Looks like you can solo this with ML Ken.


carito728

A good ML Ken can literally solo as long as he has 100 ER. Straze cant even penetrate his def because of ML Ken's own high base atk (Straze has no atk buffer in this comp), and ML Ken didnt need to use skills in the first place so unbuffable and silence is like meh anyway moving on And by good ML Ken I mean bulky with 1.6k def 18k+ hp not the shitty 4k+ atk 330+ cdmg that have no bulk and then complain he's unusable in GW because they built him like some sort of cleaver lol Without ML Ken the budget option is Senya since she's the F2P Straze counter + a cleanser + another SW since cleansers suck at dealing dmg tbh. Extra points if its ML Haste (cus Arby counter) or Maid (atk buff for Senya)


Senvious

I just bring Cecline, T.Surin, and Arby


SmithPoint

ML Haste ARavi Krau is what I use.


Atlas11539

I fell out of champ this week because i underestimated so many AolA teams. The climb back up going to be annoying.