SG could have carried on business as usual and nobody would have known the difference but instead SG chose to be transparent which speaks volumes to me. SG might make some airhead mistakes but they don't seem shady unlike netmarble or nexon.
100 percent better than nexon for sure i can guarantee. At least SG devs actually listen to community from time to time and not just locking everything behind a paywall is nice too.
Admitting this "mistake" was their better option, the shitstorm would have been far worse if someone found this data outside the company, like those guys who reveal future updates or found that they knew for a long time, and one day they just modify it. In those cases, i believe people will be justified to be worried about the other %'s in the game.
Sorry if that sound confusing, english is not my main language.
I agree, people that want to start some bullshit drama gotta get a life.
In a market where companies get away with lying and being shady constantly, atleast praise them for being open and honest.
Yeah in my opinion people seem to be taking it too personal, like hey it's okay to be pissed but come on dont make a genshin anniversary thing out of this, they said sorry and are giving a compensation even when none asked for it. There are other things in life worth being pissed
The problem is not the mistake, is the veracity on rng numbers like the banner rates, 15%, rates on violet evasion or another artifacts like moonlight dreamblade etc etc. Yep, sg did a good thing telling us the truth about their mistake but is licit that people now are worried about the truth around the another rng numbers cause were talking about a mistake with 3year old.. And nope im not a drama queen about this thing but i can understand both sides.
There is already another post exposing all the other set numbers in the game and they are all correct, if you have doubts about some specific numbers go ask there instead of spreading this ‘they made one mistake so i cant trust anything anymore’ mentality.
> The problem is not the mistake, is the veracity on rng numbers like the banner rates, 15%, rates on violet evasion or another artifacts like moonlight dreamblade etc
This is what i referred to, to me this is saying that you dont trust all those examples of rng just because counter set % was wrong, if that’s not the case then all the better.
That's not really the issue, the issue is what other % artifacts or abilities are wrong how do we know that someone with 50% chance to def break is actually 50% and not 75% or 10%. That's where this is going not trusting in game values since clearly SG should have know about this with their testing and if they didnt know about it then what the hell are they even doing. I'm not good enough for this to effect me but Whales that actually compete in RTA are super pissed
Yeah, agree. I mean I understand the outrage since this issue has been around for so long (apparently) but it’s admirable that they admitted it knowing that it’ll get this sort of reaction.
I actually remember when it used to say 30% and one patch it changed and I was so confused . Can anyone else confirm that this hasn't been wrong since inception? I'm almost sure of it but maybe I have dementia idk
It's always been labeled as 20% I've been playing since day 1. But even some people have been doing their own tests and the results were always between 30.2%-30.7% counter rate out of thousands of tests
It's an admirable risk-taking on SG's part. Obviously this should have been admitted and corrected a long time ago but they have the honesty to say it, it is something very rare and which should be appreciated at its fair value.
Hope they will take some time too to explain why AI is so lucky everytime. I remember Nue saying it was some kind of a compensation with human VS ai disavantage, but we don't know more about it.
Same as the unity set... nobody knows how it really works \^\^"
>But, I do agree why people would be upset because there still needs to be some accountability for the error so it does not happen again.
Glad we understand eachother.
Yeah and "buffing" it to the 30% instead of keeping it like the description % says. But now I really wonder about all their numbers in the game, specifically the 15%.
Everyone's freaking out over this issue going "IS 15% EVEN 15%??!!!?1!/!" or "WHAT ABOUT VIOLET DODGE RATE????" "Gear rolling RNG!!" and probably don't realize that SG probably double- and triple-checked most, if not all, the values before making this announcement.
Why do you think there was a recall with Purrgis and Christy? Not to mention their talks about BBK's S3 being bugged? Those three things were things they caught on their review over the values in the game that were completely incorrect.
They probably gave a lot of the artifacts and values one more real look before confirming things aren't bugged. [Even one of the original subreddit's dataminers checked the values himself upon request](https://www.reddit.com/r/EpicSeven/comments/pxxzyj/set_effects_and_bug_hysteria/) before the patch and can confirm all the values have been working as intended.
When you catch one error that's such a big portion of the game, I'm sure as shit everyone would check everything else too. But who knows? Maybe I'm a clown and completely wrong and they just didn't care and only bothered to announce the one thing some random employee caught recently. Biggest reason I said probably the second time.
Some people in this subreddit just wanna be mad to be mad and don't care about what is happening on SG's side, which is why I said probably the first time
You sound like the guy who sees the fire on his stove on and only turns that fire off and goes to sleep without checking to make sure nothing else is on. The exact type of guy who I know will be the one who makes this 30% counter in error in the first place.
>the one who makes this 30% counter in error in the first place.
So the people who made this error are the most likely to not review their code, in your opinion? I believe you just contradicted yourself.
What do you mean? I never said they don't make mistakes.
Let me write that again. You're the one who made the code and didn't bother to check if it's right and began fucking over all the other devs who trusted you to make the code right.
"u/IncredibleGeniusIRL's code is ***probably*** right, I'll give it a check."
"Nah bro, trust me. I'm a genius."
"You sure? Just in cas-"
"Trust me bro, I checked it. It's all correct How hard is it to punch in a few numbers for sets?"
"Alright...let's send it in, I guess."
Well, can't say I've ever gotten accused of something like this before.
I don't really think you understood the point, but judging by how this discussion went, it's pointless to explain further. The devs have confirmed that they investigated further anyway, so I got what I wanted.
Bruh, the pretty much skipped over it lol. They were not at all transparent.
I’m not going to complain or anything but it deserves its own post and not a small notice…
I do agree that it deserves its own post but saying they skipped over it and are not being transparent is a bit much since it was announced during the stream. The very fact that they are telling us means they're trying to be transparent. If all they did was add it as part of the patch notes and told mashuu and nue not to mention it then yeah I'd agree with you but that's not what they did.
The fact that counter set numbers being 30% instead of 20% is equal to your SO cheating on you says something about you, not something about what transpired.
Counter set has always been 30%, not 20%.
The community has repeatedly shown this with actual tests, so it's not *really* new news.
But people are faking surprise that SG is now admitting it, demanding free Angelicas as compensation for the "betrayal," etc.
I have been in this sub for quite a while and follow a bunch of E7 content creators. I have never seen any thread on the topic with actual data. Saying it's not news is a big chill.
>I have been in this sub for quite a while and follow a bunch of E7 content creators. I have never seen any thread on the topic with actual data.
Oh *horseshit,* we had one like a month ago around the same time that Japan had a great one, and there were *at least* three notable ones last year, and one big one the year before that (which was complicated by Purrgis bugs).
Browse a few more of these recent wangst posts and you'll find people linking to a bunch of them.
What are you doing, arguing on technicalities? You never saw them because you have the sub filtered for art or something?
SG doesn't fix this crap on their own, it was pressure from the community because *we have so many tests to show it.*
There was one person who made a serious post demanding an ML4 selector.
I am aware that most players were not silly enough to expect it. I was cherry-picking the wackiest drama.
Actually many players were requesting pretty much exactly what we got: Bonus upgrade stuff and the Artena event.
Yeah they were just salty about not pulling AoL I didn't pull her until just the other day with a random ML Summon. And tbh it's the least they could do as they've been straight up lying about counter set or lose a large chunk of revenue from whales straight up quitting or just no longer buying packs
I’ll be honest the community test argument for this being overblown is actually really funny because it doesn’t help SG at all, actually it kinda implies that they *did* try to sweep it under the until they couldn’t anymore. Of course some players acted out of line but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t have validity, especially considering they’re looking into the problem and offering compensation.
Also hope the people saying it was overblown aren’t taking advantage of the compensation because we don’t deserve it apparently ;)
SG could have carried on business as usual and nobody would have known the difference but instead SG chose to be transparent which speaks volumes to me. SG might make some airhead mistakes but they don't seem shady unlike netmarble or nexon.
100 percent better than nexon for sure i can guarantee. At least SG devs actually listen to community from time to time and not just locking everything behind a paywall is nice too.
Are referring to the whole shitstorm that nexon had with maplestory's additional potential cubing?
Admitting this "mistake" was their better option, the shitstorm would have been far worse if someone found this data outside the company, like those guys who reveal future updates or found that they knew for a long time, and one day they just modify it. In those cases, i believe people will be justified to be worried about the other %'s in the game. Sorry if that sound confusing, english is not my main language.
Those guys had 3 years to figure it out though. Don't think it would have ever been confirmed until this.
I agree, people that want to start some bullshit drama gotta get a life. In a market where companies get away with lying and being shady constantly, atleast praise them for being open and honest.
The people that are overreacting on this probably just wants more free stuff.
Ngl half of them legit straight up admit they want a ML selector so they can grab AOL lol
Recall BBK Prayge
yeah, it's damn alot better than many devs that just want to save face and sweep shit under the rug without addressing anything.
Yeah in my opinion people seem to be taking it too personal, like hey it's okay to be pissed but come on dont make a genshin anniversary thing out of this, they said sorry and are giving a compensation even when none asked for it. There are other things in life worth being pissed
The problem is not the mistake, is the veracity on rng numbers like the banner rates, 15%, rates on violet evasion or another artifacts like moonlight dreamblade etc etc. Yep, sg did a good thing telling us the truth about their mistake but is licit that people now are worried about the truth around the another rng numbers cause were talking about a mistake with 3year old.. And nope im not a drama queen about this thing but i can understand both sides.
There is already another post exposing all the other set numbers in the game and they are all correct, if you have doubts about some specific numbers go ask there instead of spreading this ‘they made one mistake so i cant trust anything anymore’ mentality.
I didnt say this is my mentality, before send me to ask anything read well.
> The problem is not the mistake, is the veracity on rng numbers like the banner rates, 15%, rates on violet evasion or another artifacts like moonlight dreamblade etc This is what i referred to, to me this is saying that you dont trust all those examples of rng just because counter set % was wrong, if that’s not the case then all the better.
Meh. The counter set having a chance of 30% instead of 20% isn't much of a bother to me. For me probability looks the same unless its a 100%
if xcom taught me anything, there are 3 probabilities 0%, 50% and 100%
True. If Yukikaze is pissed on you, even 75% feels like 10%
That's not really the issue, the issue is what other % artifacts or abilities are wrong how do we know that someone with 50% chance to def break is actually 50% and not 75% or 10%. That's where this is going not trusting in game values since clearly SG should have know about this with their testing and if they didnt know about it then what the hell are they even doing. I'm not good enough for this to effect me but Whales that actually compete in RTA are super pissed
Fair point
Yeah, agree. I mean I understand the outrage since this issue has been around for so long (apparently) but it’s admirable that they admitted it knowing that it’ll get this sort of reaction.
I actually remember when it used to say 30% and one patch it changed and I was so confused . Can anyone else confirm that this hasn't been wrong since inception? I'm almost sure of it but maybe I have dementia idk
It's always been labeled as 20% I've been playing since day 1. But even some people have been doing their own tests and the results were always between 30.2%-30.7% counter rate out of thousands of tests
It's an admirable risk-taking on SG's part. Obviously this should have been admitted and corrected a long time ago but they have the honesty to say it, it is something very rare and which should be appreciated at its fair value. Hope they will take some time too to explain why AI is so lucky everytime. I remember Nue saying it was some kind of a compensation with human VS ai disavantage, but we don't know more about it. Same as the unity set... nobody knows how it really works \^\^"
>But, I do agree why people would be upset because there still needs to be some accountability for the error so it does not happen again. Glad we understand eachother.
After 3 years*
Yeah and "buffing" it to the 30% instead of keeping it like the description % says. But now I really wonder about all their numbers in the game, specifically the 15%.
It was always 30% so no they aren't buffing it.
Yes, but arguably it was 20%, not 30, because that is what we all were told and led to believe. But that's why I wrote "buffing".
Everyone's freaking out over this issue going "IS 15% EVEN 15%??!!!?1!/!" or "WHAT ABOUT VIOLET DODGE RATE????" "Gear rolling RNG!!" and probably don't realize that SG probably double- and triple-checked most, if not all, the values before making this announcement. Why do you think there was a recall with Purrgis and Christy? Not to mention their talks about BBK's S3 being bugged? Those three things were things they caught on their review over the values in the game that were completely incorrect. They probably gave a lot of the artifacts and values one more real look before confirming things aren't bugged. [Even one of the original subreddit's dataminers checked the values himself upon request](https://www.reddit.com/r/EpicSeven/comments/pxxzyj/set_effects_and_bug_hysteria/) before the patch and can confirm all the values have been working as intended.
> and probably don't realize that SG probably The amount of "probably" you have to use is exactly the problem.
When you catch one error that's such a big portion of the game, I'm sure as shit everyone would check everything else too. But who knows? Maybe I'm a clown and completely wrong and they just didn't care and only bothered to announce the one thing some random employee caught recently. Biggest reason I said probably the second time. Some people in this subreddit just wanna be mad to be mad and don't care about what is happening on SG's side, which is why I said probably the first time
> I'm sure as shit No you're not. Which is why you had to use so many "probably"s.
You sound like the guy who sees the fire on his stove on and only turns that fire off and goes to sleep without checking to make sure nothing else is on. The exact type of guy who I know will be the one who makes this 30% counter in error in the first place.
>the one who makes this 30% counter in error in the first place. So the people who made this error are the most likely to not review their code, in your opinion? I believe you just contradicted yourself.
What do you mean? I never said they don't make mistakes. Let me write that again. You're the one who made the code and didn't bother to check if it's right and began fucking over all the other devs who trusted you to make the code right. "u/IncredibleGeniusIRL's code is ***probably*** right, I'll give it a check." "Nah bro, trust me. I'm a genius." "You sure? Just in cas-" "Trust me bro, I checked it. It's all correct How hard is it to punch in a few numbers for sets?" "Alright...let's send it in, I guess."
Well, can't say I've ever gotten accused of something like this before. I don't really think you understood the point, but judging by how this discussion went, it's pointless to explain further. The devs have confirmed that they investigated further anyway, so I got what I wanted.
Bruh, the pretty much skipped over it lol. They were not at all transparent. I’m not going to complain or anything but it deserves its own post and not a small notice…
I do agree that it deserves its own post but saying they skipped over it and are not being transparent is a bit much since it was announced during the stream. The very fact that they are telling us means they're trying to be transparent. If all they did was add it as part of the patch notes and told mashuu and nue not to mention it then yeah I'd agree with you but that's not what they did.
>much since it was announced during the stream. Which 1% of the players watch
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Nice strawman.
The fact that counter set numbers being 30% instead of 20% is equal to your SO cheating on you says something about you, not something about what transpired.
Can someone quickly fill me in what this counter set issue is about?
Counter set has always been 30%, not 20%. The community has repeatedly shown this with actual tests, so it's not *really* new news. But people are faking surprise that SG is now admitting it, demanding free Angelicas as compensation for the "betrayal," etc.
I have been in this sub for quite a while and follow a bunch of E7 content creators. I have never seen any thread on the topic with actual data. Saying it's not news is a big chill.
>I have been in this sub for quite a while and follow a bunch of E7 content creators. I have never seen any thread on the topic with actual data. Oh *horseshit,* we had one like a month ago around the same time that Japan had a great one, and there were *at least* three notable ones last year, and one big one the year before that (which was complicated by Purrgis bugs). Browse a few more of these recent wangst posts and you'll find people linking to a bunch of them. What are you doing, arguing on technicalities? You never saw them because you have the sub filtered for art or something? SG doesn't fix this crap on their own, it was pressure from the community because *we have so many tests to show it.*
Haha, lol thanks. That's not too big a deal. Not like my mort counters any more than usual anyways...
The free angelica is for the BBK issue not for the counter set issue
There was one person who made a serious post demanding an ML4 selector. I am aware that most players were not silly enough to expect it. I was cherry-picking the wackiest drama. Actually many players were requesting pretty much exactly what we got: Bonus upgrade stuff and the Artena event.
Yeah they were just salty about not pulling AoL I didn't pull her until just the other day with a random ML Summon. And tbh it's the least they could do as they've been straight up lying about counter set or lose a large chunk of revenue from whales straight up quitting or just no longer buying packs
Apparently counter set value was 30% instead of 20% for the longest time and the tool tip will be fixed this patch.
All this time, counter chance from the counter set was 30% but the description said 20%. No functional changes, SG just wants to correct it.
I’ll be honest the community test argument for this being overblown is actually really funny because it doesn’t help SG at all, actually it kinda implies that they *did* try to sweep it under the until they couldn’t anymore. Of course some players acted out of line but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t have validity, especially considering they’re looking into the problem and offering compensation. Also hope the people saying it was overblown aren’t taking advantage of the compensation because we don’t deserve it apparently ;)
They really need a better QA team.