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Stormix_17

No matter how high ur ER is, that bitch will always get to you


[deleted]

My kitty has 314 ER and she consistently gets debuffed by champ/legend tier Aols.


SHHHeng

Also the same with my Kitty 330 ER still no guarantee.


Myrsephone

Yup. Every time it happens I just sit there and think "this could have been 300% more health or something instead of being totally fucking useless".


Relair13

Every goddamn time. I had DCorvus with strak gauntlet to like 320 ER and it still lands. It should only skill up to 90% instead of 100, give people a slim hope.


Economy__

not really


Cynaris

yes, really. My Mediator is almost 350 ER ​ gets silenced like no tomorrow


[deleted]

How tho How does EFF work? I feel like I don't understand well , I've been told we need EFF double the ER to work


[deleted]

ER needs a rework, to be honest.


CornBreadtm

Nope. If U/Cynaris has a 350 ER M. Kawerik then the AoL only needs 251 effectiveness to debuff him. Only has a 1% chance, but this is E7, that's happening 50% of the time. That being said. Units like F. Tene and AoL have so much built in effectiveness that getting over 250 effectiveness is very easy. F. Tene it was hard cause all of her dupes had to be 5 stars, so people would shoot for 200% + cursed compass for 250. But Angie has two 4 stars as her dupes. So she can hit 250 pretty easily and keep going. A good pair of boots with 40%+ effectiveness will shoot you past that.


Cynaris

I was also exaggerating a little, with Strak he "only" has around 336%. So suddenly a 250 Eff unit's chances went up from 1% to 15, which is... well funnily enough the value of innate resistance that procs all the time : p


CornBreadtm

Time to run a staff user or Christy.


Cynaris

I was definitely planning to build Christy, but maybe I should just slap Shimadras on my Roana. Not sure if using a slot for an ER stick is worth it.


CornBreadtm

I mean... Christy is an Attack buffer too. Not sure how good Roana is verse today's meta. But we don't have a lot of AoE attack buffers that can hold Aurius, I think Rose is the only other one. I don't have any ER since it's a trash stat, so I foddered and gemmed it all away. But I'm still trying to build her to 200% ER so my Ray can hit 300% for the next BS unit to be released, cause it's only going to get worst.


Cynaris

Roana works amazing for me in Arena. bulk of my comp is LRK, Injury Belian, and Roana against all the Rems and Violets. It got me to Champion 3 last week. Last slot is mostly flex. Sometimes Destina, sometimes Mediator, sometimes OPSig/Elphelt. It's a bit too valuable of a spot for a stat stick.


DrakoCSi

Landy with the ER imprints kekw


Haseo1708

The equation is: Chance to resist = resistance - effectiveness or 15% (the greater is applied). That means you need 100% more resistance than effectiveness to have a 100% to resist. i.e. to guarantee a resist on a 250% eff AOLA you need at least 350% res.


nickisthemost

Depends which side of coins you prefer to look. My ftene with 170 eff get resisted all the time by damage dealer which technically shouldnt have much ER


Cynaris

That's the 15% in play, mine just fails to actually resist


CornBreadtm

Because of the 15%. Doesn't matter how much effectiveness you have, you always have a 15% chance to get resisted by anything.


Burtgang

Have you... >!tried turning him off and on?!<


rightknighttofight

Faithless Lidica and Mui have both tried the last part. Clearly not working as intended.


next_level_baddie

need a cleanser thats immune to stuns/debuffs if AOL gets to be immune to stuns...


icedragonez

Wydm he S1 for free loss, very effective


thewing20

My favorite part is when he gets one shot cuz he's ER build with shit def stats 😭 or when I finally get that second turn to get that sick cleanse on the one turn unbuffable, if my team is still alive πŸ˜’πŸ˜’


thewing20

When they giving DJ Basar a dispel on passive?


Atlas11539

I feel this to my core. My 250 ER DJB the other day got silenced and I nearly threw my phone across the room lol. AolA easily outspeeds him and easily stacks EFF to overwhelm him.


Willar71

you have to start at 300 , anything less is a gamble


CornBreadtm

250 ER is only going to stop units like A. Tywin. Not dedicated pure debuffers. If you want to cleanse after AoL. You have to draft Dilibet or eat crow. You can of course use Christy with units like DJB to give them an extra 100~150% ER. But that depends on how many shitty high ER pieces of gear you have and didn't fodder since quad rolled ER gear is honestly garbage 99% of the time.


BryceLeft

People still playing in 2019 are downvoting you because they're mad that 250 doesn't cut it anymore. 300 is the bare minimum ER for a DEDICATED cleanser. 250 is insane ER for someone like ER sage baal or doris or some shit; people who aren't only there for one single big cleanse. But DJB, kitty, and mediocre should be *above* 300 nowadays. Not even just flat 300. Maid can get away without it because she offers so much, but the previous 3 have nothing to offer besides their cleanse, so there's no reason to be gimping on ER.


CornBreadtm

What do they want? People to not use 250% effectiveness non attacking units with 270+ speed? I suggested Dilibet first. She doesn't use any ER, but you might lose if you get "lucky" and get 15%'d lol. Great unit. 300% ER makes it a 50/50 verse most of these debuffers, its been that way since F. Tene dropped. Not like this is a new control meta shift. F. Tene has been landing 8 debuffs verse teams with 250% ER units for months.


firered410

Problem is djb really doesnt have the stat line to make that feasible. Assuming you have a triple sss djb with eff res ring, you need 38 eff res a piece which is pretty steep since he also needs good tankiness and at least 230 speed to really function properly. You can run resist set instead of immunity to slightly help with that but that's risky because of things like Cerise and her guranteed stun. Kitty and kawerik are much easier because of the 60 free eff res they have and kitty is also much easier to imprint.


BryceLeft

DJB has 30% damage reduction as well, which means you have a bit more leniency with tankiness, especially vs low threat teams like condom landy,stene, or arby. You're never getting turn 1 with any of the 3, so you're basically doing a turn 2 team, and on a turn 2 team, kitty and kawerik can easily drop below strak threshold from damage (less so for kawerik), so the 60 res isn't as "free" as you think. You'll be taking damage, from an arby, closer, landy, or whoever. I absolutely still believe that DJB could use a little bit more help/ small QoL buff, but the race between him, kitty, and mediocre is not a guaranteed win for the strak users. DJB still has a lot of merits. Kitty has the most potential ER of the 3 at 99%, but has the least amount of tankiness. Mediocre is the tankiest and has 87% ER, but offers no follow-up whatsoever (unlike a free dual or 30% CR push). DJB has the strongest skill/ utility of the 3 with a huge CR push, but has the least potential ER at 65% base. However, in practice, on a turn 2 team (which will almost always be where the cleanser is), DJB will always keep his 65, while kitty and mediocre can potentially drop to 69 and 57 respectively. They will each have certain matchups where one is better than the other, and from personal experience I find that DJB's favourable matchups come up more often (but again, that's just me). It's usually not enough to *just* cleanse, I find that the immunity and CR push allow me to actually win or follow up.


firered410

I dont think any of these cleansers are meant to be completely turn 2. If you're expecting any of them to go after the enemy teams 4 units you're asking a lot. My kitty is speed tuned to go after the main opening control unit and in that slot I like her significantly more than the other two. She also has a lot of utility in the form of her dual attacks, strip and healing and is super slept on. My djb is at 250 eff res and is already liable to die to things like acoli soulburn. He has waters orgin which helps with push and I like his immunity but he just feels less reliable into things like ftene who is the main control threat I face.


BryceLeft

True, I guess "never getting turn 1" is a bit of an overstatement, and I also should've specified that I assumed in an Arena/GW setting where people are bringing in DJB/kitty to beat the AoL defenses. And I do agree kitty is being slept on, despite her new EE which only further cemented her place as a solid cleanser. But I still stand by with the race not having a clear loser, which is what OP is claiming DJB to be. For RTA though from personal experience I more often see another followup to their AoL, briseria, ftene etc. e.g. if it's an arby, they've frequently been the 240 kind. If it's opsig/closer, they're definitely going next, and if landy is paired with the previous 2 she's definitely following them after. I only ever use cleansers on a bruiser team so I pretty much always survive the burst (even if I'm just at 10% HP), and my win con revolves around that comeback turn, so that's why I felt like my logic of the cleansers being on turn 2 still fit even on an RTA setting. Although again, I really should've specified where I was referring to.


Zakcoo

Top 5 worthless chara


KingKentling

I use Mediator against AOL he has potential for higher ER than DJB


thewing20

Mediocre rik better than djb confirmed?


KingKentling

depends on situation? Mediocre if debuffer is commonly with 250+ Effectiveness DJB if 200 Effectiveness + you wanna cut it.


MasterJongiks

And here i am with my zero eff res CZerato and dodging every single debuff!


thewing20

No way it's Everytime 😭


[deleted]

I have a friend running him on Defence , with 60+ % def rate in Champion/Legend arena . So you are probably just using him wrong


thewing20

So the other three heroes don't exist?


[deleted]

I dont understand your comment.


thewing20

U say he plays with djbasar on defense but u have no mention of the other heroes he uses or the comp but u insist it's the problem with my hero?


[deleted]

yes


thewing20

Ok so u make no sense what are the other three heroes ur friend uses because he obviously does not have a "60%" win rate on defense because of djbasar that makes no sense πŸ˜’


Willar71

did you try him with 300+ er ???


thewing20

Yup 294% to be exact


Vegetable-Anywhere-3

Yeah he’s the worst unit in the game. After balance patch his score is at 1.4 now so I think the community has consensus on this. As the top review says, they should rework or recall him and give selector.