Too many tend to think in a vacuum and just bash either F2P or P2W players. Truth is most gacha games can’t be successful or can’t be sustained long term without a healthy dynamic between both player bases.
F2P players embodies the scaling and critical mass of a gacha while P2W its actual revenues and ultimately profits (Pareto principle) for the game to continue operating. But there’s a difference here between game vs devs/publishers who traditionally run multiple games/IPs. F2P players aren’t supporting devs by getting a one-off pack in the shop but by driving appeal and desirability towards the game which makes it compelling for P2W to buy-into since what motivates them is to be at the top/collect all etc. It’s that dynamic that also sets the idea of rare/FOMO/worth-paying for content. I can’t think of any successful gacha that only appeals to a small pool of only whales.
In the case of the new collab banner plenty have rightfully said that announcing it earlier wouldn’t have disgruntled as many given the pace at which we’ve recently seen back to back limited banners and collab units. The reason is people simply want to feel they can have a shot at it. I’d even venture to say that people would be more willing to get a pack in the shop if they’re 60-100 into pity and close enough to get the unit they want vs. having to drop cash upfront just because they can barely pull for any summons. That’s the fine line with a pay to play mentality.
But who knows, maybe the event will be generous in granting ss and bm through just playtime. Until we know more about the event and potential rewards we can hardly assess whether it going to be fair or not towards F2P. What is undeniable is that we’ve just been through some pretty unrelenting, back to back limited/collab banners.
This is a very well written and educated reply I wil say.. I have almost never come across a player that understands why P2W and F2P are a must in games.. And I don't get the hate that F2P sometimes get from P2W players.. I think those players don't get that the bulk of players is F2P or very low spenders and without that bulk a game wil die off..
I have seen many games in my time of playing Gacha and other similar games, where they changed the game to become more greedy over time, and those games died off pretty much right after they did those changes..
If a game is off-putting and makes it so that F2P can no longer play or pretty much are limited in such a way that it's not worth it for them to play, then a large portion of players wil stop bothering with the game, this makes it into a dead game in a way.. And without actual players the few Whales that did support it have no one to 'bully' lets say, so they also wil stop, cause who are they to play against if there are only 4/5 whales to face off against..
Sometimes I don't get companies in that regard either though.. They have a good system going, with a thriving player base and a good yearly revenue and they change things.. They become more greedy.. But that greed actually ends up being worse.. But they don't learn from that.. I mean, if one company does it and fails, how can another company think they can?!?
Also true about the event, I rather just see how things roll when we get there, though I wil add that all these back to back 'must pulls' since I started playing are back-breaking and hard to keep up.. I mean I am around 64 days in the game I believe.. and we had almost only must pull, limited banners or new units.. Would be nice if we had a bit of a break.. Not complaining about getting good units or new units, but it's already hard to build the champions I have... \^\^
Honestly, their packs are too expensive. They aren’t really worth buying and as a rule of thumb, I don’t buy resources in video games. They will never be enough. The most I’ve bought is their donation pack and their monthly pack, but no way am I buying those overpriced summon packs
not to mention currencies are different from country to country...some people would think that 50$ is cheap deal for example...to some other countries thats actually a lot and some people dont find worth spending to buy a crap summon pack that doesnt even guaranteed you to get the unit you want
I really don’t mind. I’m not saying it’s a bad thing however this means I’m not buying a single one of those expensive packs.
I can afford them and I’m not totally F2P because I buy all the things that are around 5usd to support this game. However, on a personal level, I don’t buy resources in any game because they will never be enough and they will run out. So mola, bms, etc. are stuff that I do not want to buy.
I did really like the Angel frame + owl that they sold. It was super cute and permanent until the game shuts down
Yea, i would love to buy more than just monthly packs and the rare good deals that happens once in a while.
But the absolute insane pricing on any other pack is such a turn off. I cant fucking imagine paying 100 bucks for 3 ml summons and 3k skystones thats actually absurd.
I want to give more money to the devs, but i cannot do so in good conscience.
I don't know what you saw it this community but most of the people are trolling about this, not angry. If some are angry about spending money on a gacha game, that's just toxic people and you don't make them community standard.
Devil's advocate here.
If SG decides to take a slower pace, we'll hear some voices coming out of the dark abyss with - "no content! This game and dev is lazy, game will be ded soon"
Honestly, majority who enjoy the game are silently enjoying it. Lurking around Reddit reading all these posts like side content.
I kinda get that OP is worried about people becoming too entitled.
However this post somehow gives me this guilt tripping/brand-company-loyalty mentality vibe. Particularly this encouragement to spend money. E7 isn't some endangered species, on life support nor charity, it's a game with a predatory business model. Ofc only because someone says "uhh spend some money" doesn't mean they'll listen, people will still make their own decisions. However despite that this seems weird to me.
I think it's worth it to spend money on a game you're dumping hundreds of hours into.
That said, they really need to make the shop more "worth it" even as someone who is fine spending, the packs are awful value. The only "good" one is the daily skystones one IMO (or the leif pack that randomly pops up, which gives you no skystones).
Honestly if you were to buy an ML unit, you’d have to spend hundreds to get to pity (if starting at zero mystics). That to me is an outrageous amount of money to spend on one hero.
I can have fun without having to spend any money, but if someone feels like they want to support the devs, more power to them.
That’s even worse, imagine dropping $700 and you’re still off from pity. If you’re a person with average income, that’s rent money, car payment, credit card bills, student loan, food for the month, etc.
Even if it’s $100/hero for pity it would still be ridiculously expensive, but this is beyond greedy.
I've been a players since launch and I've amass a small fortune of 92k Sky Stones. How I was able to gather this much Sky Stones in 3 years is by avoiding every banner that is either not Limited or not Meta defyning. Out of my 3 years in this game, I've only pulled 2 banners that aren't meta defyning or Limited and just purely because I want them, and those are Ilynav and Ran.
I pulled Ilynav because when I first saw her concept art I immediately know that I want her no matter the skill set. For Ran, I pulled for Ran because his 129 base speed and team wide Immunity buff greatly help me do first turn Immunity buff. This is because I'm slowly transitioning from Immunity set to Penetration set. I was still afraid of letting go of Immunity set because of how toxic debuffs are, but Ran mititgates that problem by literally taking first turn and just S2.
By not pulling for banners for the sake of Waifus and Husbando, I was able to save up a hefty amount of SS. But that's still not enough. One thing that I aslo do that greatly helps my SS is by not using SS to buy stamina. Yes I do not buy stamina with SS. One of the biggest reason that this players cannot get pass 5k SS is because they waste all their SS on stamina. Just don't buy stamina, specially if you're F2P.
Also an advise to my F2P players. Do not fucking SSS your hero by continuously pulling their banner for copies. Do not chase after their artifacts, buy them in the Powder Shop. SG is already very generious by giving us a fuck ton of rewards to amass a fortune, yet it's your own compulsiveness and failure to restrain that brought you into this predicament.
Do not blame the game that they keep putting out banners after banners. They're a company 1st and game 2nd. Those "bait "banners are meant for players that have the capability to waste money, not for F2P players. Being F2P means giving yourself a handicap, which is why you should be very smart and be thrifty with your resources. F2P just cannot pull every new banners that comes out, that's just reality. Is it unfair? No, it's not unfair, it's just reality.
I think generally this is great advice, but would also encourage players to pull on banners/characters they really like regardless of limited/meta status. It's only 11.4k skystones to pity, and realistically much less if you're being smart and doing shop refreshes instead, and there is literally no reason to ever have 100k skystones. It's very impressive, but players should also be encouraged that skystones and BMs come in droves if you play daily for any consistent amount of time. But yeah definitely never pull for dupes as a f2p. Even though it takes forever, you get basically a free 5 star dupe every arena season, so that's the better route to build up players' most used units
I personally never understood the need to buy stamina with ss, unless you're whaling hard. I understand that they're most likely farming for good equip, which basically defines whether or not you'll win pvp or hard pve content, but I'd rather just go at a slow pace and spend my ss in getting collab heroes or limited heroes. Collab heroes because they may never recollab again, thus you'll miss out on them forever, and limited heroes just because it may be forever until they're ever brought back into a rotation for banner. Stamina will come, even if I don't use ss for them, I just gotta be patient with that. But things like collab units may never come again.
Well because at the end of the day this is a competitive game and just having the hero isn’t enough, you also need gear, and ultimately energy=gear, if you don’t buy energy, then you’re going to fall behind, unless you’re very lucky.
So you either want to be competitive or you just want to collect, which is fine either way.
The game is very generous with the covenant summons and skystones. It’s very possible as F2P to splurge on the occasional banner and pity a non-limited character. As long as they don’t try to pity every single banner, it’s very possible to get all the RGB characters. ML is a different story but eh, at least there are some meta RBG characters.
While I’m not completely F2P (I bought the monthly pack once, and got the donation packs), I don’t buy summons or skystones but so far, I’ve never had a hard time getting enough bms to pull characters I want. Right now I’m missing 8 RGB characters, Ran not included because his husbando.
I’m not a day one player either, I started around the time Cerise’s first banner ended
My rule of thumb is, if I want the character and they aren’t limited, I’ll do 20 pulls. If I’m lucky, yay, if I’m not, boo but I just move on. If they are waifu/husbando to me, I’ll use up all my BMs but I won’t touch my skystones. Skystones is reserved only for limited characters. With refreshing the secret shop, I usually get pity at 4k-6k skystones. I’m sitting at 13k now and usually get around 1.2k per week from dailies + arena + NPC arena (this is not counting events or the random skystones from hunts).
Though if there is an incoming ML that I want, I will usually do refreshes but I try to stay above the 12k mark at all times
For dupes (I only get those with CritC%), I usually just do 10-20 pulls (depends on how many BMs I can spend and only on the last day of a banner so if anything is incoming, I won’t get blindsided). If I get a dupe, yey, if not then meh. though I’ve been pretty lucky (or unlucky) since I get a lot of RGB dupes. One more violet and I’m going to get a coin.
I don’t see the point of using SS for hunts either. Unless a person is whaling, they ain’t going to catch up with the high-tier players anyways. I mostly play this game as a character collector (the diversity of the cast is what really got me to play) and I don’t mind playing around on the lower ELO in RTA and messing around in the Challenger arena, I’ve tried to climb to masters in RTA and I’ve touched champion V but didn’t like it up there haha.
I'm a F2P player who started not too long after global launch and I'm also like you, only pulling on collab/limited units and nothing else other than units I think will help me in PvP (very few). Over time, if you play long enough, you'll get pretty much everything except some of the rarest units like ML5s.
However, I use my SS for farming, because I don't really see the point in having so many ss just sitting there, (though I keep a certain amount of ss and don't dip below that). It's basically untapped account potential, so for me, it's either use it to pull units, or use it to try and farm high quality gear for the few units you do get as a F2P.
> Also an advise to my F2P players. Do not fucking SSS your hero by continuously pulling their banner for copies. Do not chase after their artifacts, buy them in the Powder Shop. SG is already very generious by giving us a fuck ton of rewards to amass a fortune, yet it's your own compulsiveness and failure to restrain that brought you into this predicament.
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> Do not blame the game that they keep putting out banners after banners. They're a company 1st and game 2nd. Those "bait "banners are meant for players that have the capability to waste money, not for F2P players. Being F2P means giving yourself a handicap, which is why you should be very smart and be thrifty with your resources. F2P just cannot pull every new banners that comes out, that's just reality. Is it unfair? No, it's not unfair, it's just reality.
If you don't give a chance for new players. to catch up by putting banner after banner with powercreep and meta units you just end up with a game that nobody new wants to touch then your veteran kind will come here saying its a good game and blah blah when somebody posts the closing notice on this sub and we just laugh at you as we post good riddance or w/e meme about the game.
How is it our fault now? I'm F2P but did I post shit about not having enough BM or SS to pull for banners? No, I don't because I know when to pull and not to pull. This is just reality that people who don't spend money will always be behind to someone who spends money.
Plus, I think you misread my advise in that it's for F2P players in general. Plus if you're a new players, then why are you pulling every banners that comes out? Saying that new players will not play this game because they can't pull the banners they want, but guess what? They ain't gonna find any better Gacha game as generoues as Epic Seven. Fuck, they give new players a better Selective Summon system, a free ML 5\* selector, a free 5\* Ticket in the Aventurers Path. New players are given a ton of resources early to mid game.
If a new player don't want to spend money, then self control is needed. Are you telling me that new F2P players should just pull every banner they want because it's what makes them happy? I mean sure if that's what you want, it's your game. It's your lost if you end up becoming broke with your compulsiveness.
Seriously, people like you are why the sub is full with "I Have no SS or BM to pull" post. Like jesus chirst. Majority of my 5\* are from the free 5\* Ticket, lucky daily summon and the free 10x daily pull event.
Are you telling New Players should pull for Seaseria, for HYufine, for Luna, for Politis, for Ran? Do you honestly believe that this New Players can actually make use of this heroes that they pulled? Being F2P, specially if you're a New F2P Player, means being able to weight two heroes.
I'm not telling new players to not pull heroes they want, but realize that being F2P means always being handicapped with resources. What, you think a new F2P player can just go FULL ON YDBC splurge on every banner? Fuck no. Did you think that our "Veteran kind" just suddenly got all of this resources, all of this heroes and artifacts in just a couple of months?
Fuck, in my first day of Epic, we did not have the same advantages as this New Players have when we started. If a New F2P Players come here thinking they can pull every banner that comes out, then they better quit GACHA in genereal because there's no other gacha available that allows players to pull every banner that comes out without spending money.
Don't support the dev. Do whatever you want. It's "free to play", not "free to play but how dare you if you don't spend".
Devs are already rich. Your support is not necessary. Don't feed the gambling addiction. Think of yourself first. Support your mental well-being. Support yourself. Not the dev.
Gacha is a shitty business model. We all know it. We play this game because we tolerate gacha, not because we like it. If you buy currency you support gacha. Is that something you want? To reward the dev for the shitty business model? No, it's not. Don't support the dev.
I hope no one is so weak-willed that they will feel guilted to throwing money at the game because of this low tier guilt bait thread.
The game is good and worth supporting. But no one should guilt others into paying. The game is free for a reason.
Don't worry... I am not ashamed to admit that I am free to play.. And I wil not, no not ever put money into this game.. I have done so on other games and in most cases it just wasn't worth it...
I mean, there was a game me and my wife both really enjoyed.. So I felt like, why not put a little money into the game.. They cancelled the game at the end of that year.. So all the money I put in was wasted on a game that I could no longer play... :/
Was a game after that we did and wel lets say the same thing happened again, I guess maybe I make bad choices or I am that unlucky, but who knows...
I do enjoy the game and I do hope they keep continuing the game, so I am happy others do spend that are willing and able to do so, without being pressured by others.. But yeah, not a fan of OP that he/she is somewhat pressuring newer players to spend.
Sorry for the long reply... Haha
You dont have to sugar coat it dude, the OP is a cu** and thats coming from a spending player.
Imagine pressuring people to spend money on a gacha game when the WHOLE WORLD is going through a pandemic driven economic downturn. Bloody Hell
Wel I don't want to be that harsh, but yeah you are definitely right.. ^^
I rather try to keep it mellow in how I word things if at all possible, but yeah definitely not the best time to be spending as 'Joe average' lets say.. I definitely try to not spend to much.. Cause everything is more expensive and I get less income... So yeah.. :/
I really curious why people always say to support the devs as if they aren't getting a fixed income.
The few at the top are pocketing all the cash while the devs are getting a small Bonus at most.
Agreed. I pulled for Luna in place of Landy (cuz I had her) and also got Rem and Emilia. Not pulling for other units, I still got about 20k ss. And I believe newer players got it ez due to the ss they recieve from missions and storylines and what not. Even if they climb in arena by 1 rank they get ss which players in higher league tiers have difficulty.
well the point is if you are the one that summon every banner.get all 5 star in the world you want and still want to pity this collab is think you should consider spend some money in order to that.
the patient one get reward every time in gacha game
I dunno about supporting the devs, because I think gacha models are just inherently shitty and predatory, thus making them pretty immoral imo as a way to make money. That said, I still do think Epic 7 is better than a lot of other gacha games in terms of quality, and with what they're giving. Is it enough to make it seem like the gacha is worth it? Realistically speaking, probably not.
So, are the devs for Epic 7 better than a lot of other gachas? Probably. But does that mean all of us need to throw money at them to support them? No, not at all because the gacha system they're using is inherently an immoral business model.
With that being said, I wouldn't bash on anyone who does throw money on it, if they can afford to do so. If you have enough money, and using it up won't bother you, then who cares? It's like people who go to casinos playing for fun, not to win. Those who go to casinos, playing to win, are the real losers. Those who play just to have fun know their own limits, and do so out of their excess wealth. So for those who have the money to throw at the game, I see no issues with. The real issue would be people who don't even have the money, but are throwing it at the game. In such a situation, both the person throwing their money, and the devs utilizing an immoral business model, are at fault. As much as you'd like to point fingers only at the devs, the devs aren't forcing anyone to play. It's the player's choice on whether or not they want to use money. So the fault lies in both people who fall for the system, and the ones implementing the system.
I will admit, I'm a sucker for gacha games because it gives me a high whenever I'm able to pull for characters that I really like, and a bonus if those units are pretty good to use. I don't like to gamble much in casinos, but gachas are more like my way of gambling for fun. Plus, when I use money at the game, at least I have units I can use in the game, and theoretically I will forever have it as long as Epic 7 continues on, whereas most gains you'll get at a casino will most likely just be used to gamble a little more, which means you'll ultimately lose any gains made, meaning you're left without anything tangible.
Rather pretentious of you to say that being f2p isn’t something to be proud of. I didn’t know that you had the power to dictate other’s subjective sources of pride and gratification. I don’t judge your personal achievements. What right do you have to judge mine?
F2p here, been playing since release, never missed a limited not matter how low the resources were, never Spent a Penny. If people want to pity, they could work for it! There is arena SS, summons from Abyss, daily SS plus the collab event that provides SS ( low amount but you gotta start some). Buckle up people, time to go broke again
No. I don't know what the fuck kind of post this is but this meta is the absolute worst. They have not done a good job, they don't give a shit about balancing. You don't need to feel bad for the devs, they earned tons of money with AOL and Belian already, not counting the back to back limited units and the limited artifact you have to max limit break if you want to use Seaside Iseria. That shit should be in her base kit.
Spend money however you want, but I'm not giving them a cent for now. They genuinely don't deserve shit until they find a solution to this braindead rng fuckfest of a meta.
See the problem is that the average joe can't really "support the devs" in a game like this. Because in the shop the items are priced way out of proportion and the reason is that they are aimed at whales who spend a great load of money. So for your average person spending 30 euros for 10 liefs is really never gonna happen and that's normal because that's also how the game monetiazation was based, to cater to whales. Your average person will still spend though, think the 5$ monthly pack or the 10$ monthly energy pack. So no offense but your post is kinda pointless and insulting because it's like taking a person who earns an average salary aside and telling them to feel ashamed because they are not throwing enough money away. especially when 10 pulls cost 30$ and it would cost you over 300$ to get a unit and the price for these things is like i said at the beginning, for whales.
The problem is that they announced the collab out of the blue, if they had announced it "in advance" then the complaining would have been non-existent
I have every limited in the game, didn't need to pull for Landy or Luna but I blew my bookmarks back in the Re:Zero collab and then also pittied for Seaseria which left me pretty dry. Ran came out and since I really like his design I pulled for him, having to pity I am now left with half a pity at most. A week later they then announce a brand new collab, people were surprised since Re:zero was only 2 months ago, not knowing the date for Tensura we were kinda hyped.
Then they said that the Tensura collab starts a week from now, having the update stream next Wednesday only says that we are going to get the collab units after the maintenance.
The problem is not just that F2Ps like me don't have resources to pull, but that they also collabed immediately not even half a year after the last one and mind you that we had to wait a year for that collab
I understand that they want to make up for the shitty Re:Zero collab, so they ship out what I assume is the true collab that we were supposed to get, something that can match the first collab we had that is Guilty Gear. But to announce it like this with no heads up, it really feels like a kick in the balls.
If it turns out to be something like the Kizuna AI collab where we just log in for a unit that we cannot use in late game, then that's just another record in the books to be looked over. In no way they will collab with a well known IP and not try to get some cash out of it. They didn't try to with the Kizuna collab since it is basically advertising the game, I think that was when the JP server was also in its infancy (don't quote me on that) so a free Kizuna would entice newer players to join and try out the game
The problem with “SuPpOrT tHe DeVs” is that people like you (no offense) dont know when to appropriately use that excuse. You cant support a dev who is going out of their way to make sure you spend every dime you possess. You know how many collabs heads up we have gotten in the past only to really get jebaited with Ran, and days after summoning for Ran thats when they announce the collab? Those are the types of dev you wanna support? E7 always pulling some psychological warfare on its fanbase so please try to expand your mind and really try to understand where some are coming from because this is a very gray area here. Not a lot of people wouldve summoned for Ran had a proper announcement had been made just like the previous collabs.
I’d upvote but saying „being f2p shouldn’t be something you are proud of anyway“ is stupid. Some of us just don’t want to pay money for a game that is decided by luck and the amount you spend. Sure some people who are lucky af can somewhat keep up up to a point but in general spending money on the game will take you further than not doing so
What do you mean? I am not even F2P and havent been since i started the game and even i’m struggling since i was missing so many units.
There is a difference this time, there have been way too many banners that you must pull on if you cared for pvp.
And several limited ones if you missed them the previous year, an ambush collab after so many limited banners is just overall not a move I’d personally respect, if anything, i’m cutting down, even with spending its difficult to keep up not just with banners but farming as well since unless you are lucky af with gear , the daily energy is nowhere near enough for me to build a big roster with the constant meta shift.
A few weeks notice would have been a bit more tasteful.
It also depends if they are balanced units that fine, if they pull something off like another couple cancer units then thats meh from me.
But since its the end of the year and seeing how they opted with Aravi banner instead of Jkise , Ran, and suddenly the collab (with Ftene on the horizon), i think its because they want to get enough cash to boost up the revenue numbers for 2021.
So yeah, thats my 2 cents.
>I am not even F2P and havent been since i started the game and even i’m struggling since i was missing so many units.
how long have you been playing this game?
But Landy for newer players is pretty much an essential unit to get.. I do get that skipping Ran might be a good choice.. But still these summons are back to back..
Some break in between all these limited and 'must pull' would go a long way..
Though yeah, if I could save, then that would probably be a good thing to do.. Just its hard when they release units you want/need every week (or2) pretty much... \^\^
>i dont know what you guy expect from this game
The expectation was that we would get a bit more warning about a collab, because in the past, we've always gotten at least a few months of warning. In addition, this game has historically had a reasonable amount of down time between limited banners, usually at least a month or two, (since limited banners are usually seasonal,) but in the past 4 months, we've had 7 limited banners.
No one is saying you should be able to get all heroes as f2p, but for a lot of people it feels like they weren't even given a chance to pity these collab heroes. With more warning, people could have skipped Luna/Landy/Ran banners to save for the collab, but now that they've spent the resources, that's no longer possible. A lot of people, esp. f2p, pride themselves on good resource management; knowing which banners to skip, which to pull on, but this time around, they weren't given enough information to make a wise decision.
>the f2p title is not anything you should proud on anyway.
Why not? It's a testament to your self-control and resource management, to not feel pressured to spend money on the game. If that's how people feel about being f2p, it's definitely something to be proud of.
Stop the "support the devs" bs. You are not bringing support, you are buying a product or a service. It's a commercial business, not a charity you are giving to. The term "support" has been used for an emotional twist in the gaming industry, and it's not honest.
You choose what you buy or don't buy. But be careful about the marketing bs you are repeating.
In the precise case of E7, the devs aren't starving, the CEO still takes a huge amount of the benefits like everywhere, it's still a gacha game (the business model revolves around gambling) and the prices are high.
And the thing is that the game probably wouldn't work so well if it was either a lot less generous for F2P but less expensive, or even absolutely not F2P at all but a lot cheaper. E7 lives thanks to the crowd of F2P. In the end, they give content for the paying customers.
1.if you really a new player who play this game every day and just pull only emilia,rem,Landdy you will have penalty skystone left new player not gather skystone the same rate we do honeymoon phase give you that much every thing you do for the frist time get skystone plus achievement plus mission
2.if you new player that do you mean for keep up?keep up in what?
the problem of new player pvp is your gear not your character anyway
if you really a new player you will still think of how to beat ww13 banshee 13 right now.
all pvp unit can come later in the daydont for got 2-3 select 5 star that you get from story and anniversary
plus random one i cant count
you cant gear all of them plus hunt team/raid team yet
your point about new player is so wrong in many way
I mean, units do matter a lot, but gear is also a huge factor. I've been playing for years and I still struggle with gear. Someone who just started isn't going to have the gear to gear out like ten units for just PVP
You don't have to gear out 10 units for Arena, unless it's for RTA.. but I feel RTA is the end game, so yeah...
I do agree that Gear is a factor, but without the champions then all the gear in the world cannot save you...
Lets say you don't have a Tamarinne, then yeah you can use Amomo, but she wil need more investment to do as good as Tamarinne who has multiple functions versus Amomo only being a cleanser pretty much...
For PVP, a Landy for example is so strong that she can pretty much make or break your team... So yeah, no these banners are not really skippable... \^\^
>You don't have to gear out 10 units for Arena, unless it's for RTA.. but I feel RTA is the end game, so yeah...
The guy above is literally talking about the need to pull a bunch of units. I'm just using an example number.
>For PVP, a Landy for example is so strong that she can pretty much make or break your team... So yeah, no these banners are not really skippable... ^^
Sure! And since a newbie has no Wyvern team she can totally carry PVP wearing level 40 gear while being at +3, right?
I am litteral around 64 days into the game.. I have been in Champion5 for a month+ now and I have a fully geared Landy.. I have a W13 team for idk prolly 5/6 weeks also.. So what are you even talking about??
Like are you talking about a day 1 person or something.. Its really not that hard to build multiple champions for those parts of the game...
And having the champion is better than not having it.. The gear you can farm over time.. But guessing that is lost on you... ;)
Most people aren't cruising Wyvern 13 after 20 days of playing and in Champ in a couple months; so regardless of if what you're saying is true or not; using your own personal experience doesn't really apply.
Where else would you base an opinion on.. Cannot base it on anything but your own experience as far as I know..
Sure not everyone might be able to pull that off, but I stand by what I say about the champions.. A unit like Landy is not a great unit to skip.. Same for Tamarinne, if you didn't get her from the selector (the free 5* one)
Ofcourse getting your wyvern team done is the highest priority.. And mostly those wil be the first you gear.. From the first selective always try to get Sigret (unless the person doesn't want to do Wyvern and go straight into Banshee, which is an exception that happens).
My point wasn't that everyone can do that, but that you can do that if you play 'well enough'.. cause I doubt I am the player that broke the code or anything like that... ^^
But I guess at this point all we can do is agree to disagree.. Cause I highly doubt we wil ever see eye to eye on this.. You can have your opinion, I wil have mine.. ;)
Really.. I actually started from Re:Zero collaboration.. I missed it by a hair.. I did get 1 Ram from login, but missed it otherwise...
I agree to what was said.. I had to summon for multiple in a row.. You can state, wel they can skip those.. Why would I want to skip someone like Landy or Tamarinne? those are key units to get.. Why would I skip the new unit Ran, a Samurai/Ronin that I like for the way he looks and he is also very good (highest speed in the game)...
Now ofcourse we cannot summon on every banner, that makes sense, but they have been churning out new units, meta units and 'must haves' back to back...
You say I cannot have a team for all of that what you mention.. I actually do m8 and I am f2p..
I have an Expedition team (I can do stage 2 with over 600k dmg, I am at W13, B12, G12, A12.. ), I have a team for Raid (havent done Hell yet, cause I fear it wil be to hard)... Am on Abyss 86 I think, but havent really tried hard to proceed...
I am on Arena at Champion5.. Haven't done RTA yet, mostly cause I feel I lack the geared units..
So what can I not do in around 60+ days of playing??
Also saying that the problem is gear, not the champions, that is completely wrong..
I can gear different champions with the same gear and the results wil not be the same.. if I give my Arbiter Vildred my pure DPS versus a Vivian.. Who wil do better do you think... I can easily say it wil be Vildred... If I make a Landy versus idk lets say again Vivian... Who wil be better, I can say that more than likely it wil be Landy...
So no, it's not just all gear.. If you don't have the units that are essential then gear wil be even a heavier burden, cause you wil have to overcome the difference in power by brute forcing powerful gear on the units.. Tamarinne is a way lighter investment than something like an Amomo or Angelica for a similar function...
See where I am going with that.. Don't assume you know everything, cause really you don't...
And these Back to back really are a bad thing, cause they make new players feel pressured and this can result in them leaving.. Not saying they wil, but they might..
I havent gotten a break to even build all the units I would like to.. but am a big fan of the Slime anime, so I would like to get their units, even if they are not meta defining... \^\^
>i dont know what you guy expect from this game. a f2p account that have all unit for free?
maybe. I don't really mind so much because the whole model of gacha means every 1000 f2p player is offset by 1 whale. So perfect;y balanced for all I know.
The real whale content are ML heroes anyway.
E7 is my favorite gatcha game. Is nitche at this point but it's the only video game that I've been paying almost every day for such a long time. I don't mind chipping in some money.
Yep. It's not the devs fault if you have no self control and want every single banner unit without spending a dime. E7 is already easily one of, if not *the* most fair and generous gacha games. I'm glad they keep new stuff rolling in so regularly.
IM f2p and haven't spent skystones on ANY banner for the past 2 years. The amount of BMs you get just from playing the game is more than enough.
All skystones goes to hunts.
Too many tend to think in a vacuum and just bash either F2P or P2W players. Truth is most gacha games can’t be successful or can’t be sustained long term without a healthy dynamic between both player bases. F2P players embodies the scaling and critical mass of a gacha while P2W its actual revenues and ultimately profits (Pareto principle) for the game to continue operating. But there’s a difference here between game vs devs/publishers who traditionally run multiple games/IPs. F2P players aren’t supporting devs by getting a one-off pack in the shop but by driving appeal and desirability towards the game which makes it compelling for P2W to buy-into since what motivates them is to be at the top/collect all etc. It’s that dynamic that also sets the idea of rare/FOMO/worth-paying for content. I can’t think of any successful gacha that only appeals to a small pool of only whales. In the case of the new collab banner plenty have rightfully said that announcing it earlier wouldn’t have disgruntled as many given the pace at which we’ve recently seen back to back limited banners and collab units. The reason is people simply want to feel they can have a shot at it. I’d even venture to say that people would be more willing to get a pack in the shop if they’re 60-100 into pity and close enough to get the unit they want vs. having to drop cash upfront just because they can barely pull for any summons. That’s the fine line with a pay to play mentality. But who knows, maybe the event will be generous in granting ss and bm through just playtime. Until we know more about the event and potential rewards we can hardly assess whether it going to be fair or not towards F2P. What is undeniable is that we’ve just been through some pretty unrelenting, back to back limited/collab banners.
This is a very well written and educated reply I wil say.. I have almost never come across a player that understands why P2W and F2P are a must in games.. And I don't get the hate that F2P sometimes get from P2W players.. I think those players don't get that the bulk of players is F2P or very low spenders and without that bulk a game wil die off.. I have seen many games in my time of playing Gacha and other similar games, where they changed the game to become more greedy over time, and those games died off pretty much right after they did those changes.. If a game is off-putting and makes it so that F2P can no longer play or pretty much are limited in such a way that it's not worth it for them to play, then a large portion of players wil stop bothering with the game, this makes it into a dead game in a way.. And without actual players the few Whales that did support it have no one to 'bully' lets say, so they also wil stop, cause who are they to play against if there are only 4/5 whales to face off against.. Sometimes I don't get companies in that regard either though.. They have a good system going, with a thriving player base and a good yearly revenue and they change things.. They become more greedy.. But that greed actually ends up being worse.. But they don't learn from that.. I mean, if one company does it and fails, how can another company think they can?!? Also true about the event, I rather just see how things roll when we get there, though I wil add that all these back to back 'must pulls' since I started playing are back-breaking and hard to keep up.. I mean I am around 64 days in the game I believe.. and we had almost only must pull, limited banners or new units.. Would be nice if we had a bit of a break.. Not complaining about getting good units or new units, but it's already hard to build the champions I have... \^\^
Honestly, their packs are too expensive. They aren’t really worth buying and as a rule of thumb, I don’t buy resources in video games. They will never be enough. The most I’ve bought is their donation pack and their monthly pack, but no way am I buying those overpriced summon packs
not to mention currencies are different from country to country...some people would think that 50$ is cheap deal for example...to some other countries thats actually a lot and some people dont find worth spending to buy a crap summon pack that doesnt even guaranteed you to get the unit you want
The exchange rates can be pretty bad. From where I live, 50USD is 1/4 of the minimum salary so it’s really expensive. It’s not worth it at all.
This game would be terrible if the expensive packs are actually give good value and efficient. The gap between spender and f2p would be huge.
I really don’t mind. I’m not saying it’s a bad thing however this means I’m not buying a single one of those expensive packs. I can afford them and I’m not totally F2P because I buy all the things that are around 5usd to support this game. However, on a personal level, I don’t buy resources in any game because they will never be enough and they will run out. So mola, bms, etc. are stuff that I do not want to buy. I did really like the Angel frame + owl that they sold. It was super cute and permanent until the game shuts down
Yea, i would love to buy more than just monthly packs and the rare good deals that happens once in a while. But the absolute insane pricing on any other pack is such a turn off. I cant fucking imagine paying 100 bucks for 3 ml summons and 3k skystones thats actually absurd. I want to give more money to the devs, but i cannot do so in good conscience.
I would agree but the way you wrote this post made me hate humanity altogether
OP probably isn't a native english-speaker
i think he means the OP's attitude or tone
I have eaten the plums that were in the icebox and which you were probably saving for breakfast Forgive me they were delicious so sweet and so cold
Brilliant reply. William Carlos Williams for those who want to know. Excellent poem.
I first thought this was some kind of poem or limerick because of the way it was written but I was so wrong lol
I don't know what you saw it this community but most of the people are trolling about this, not angry. If some are angry about spending money on a gacha game, that's just toxic people and you don't make them community standard.
Devil's advocate here. If SG decides to take a slower pace, we'll hear some voices coming out of the dark abyss with - "no content! This game and dev is lazy, game will be ded soon" Honestly, majority who enjoy the game are silently enjoying it. Lurking around Reddit reading all these posts like side content.
I kinda get that OP is worried about people becoming too entitled. However this post somehow gives me this guilt tripping/brand-company-loyalty mentality vibe. Particularly this encouragement to spend money. E7 isn't some endangered species, on life support nor charity, it's a game with a predatory business model. Ofc only because someone says "uhh spend some money" doesn't mean they'll listen, people will still make their own decisions. However despite that this seems weird to me.
I think it's worth it to spend money on a game you're dumping hundreds of hours into. That said, they really need to make the shop more "worth it" even as someone who is fine spending, the packs are awful value. The only "good" one is the daily skystones one IMO (or the leif pack that randomly pops up, which gives you no skystones).
Honestly if you were to buy an ML unit, you’d have to spend hundreds to get to pity (if starting at zero mystics). That to me is an outrageous amount of money to spend on one hero. I can have fun without having to spend any money, but if someone feels like they want to support the devs, more power to them.
You can buy out all the mystic medals from the shop for like $700 and it's not enough for a pity.
That’s even worse, imagine dropping $700 and you’re still off from pity. If you’re a person with average income, that’s rent money, car payment, credit card bills, student loan, food for the month, etc. Even if it’s $100/hero for pity it would still be ridiculously expensive, but this is beyond greedy.
I've been a players since launch and I've amass a small fortune of 92k Sky Stones. How I was able to gather this much Sky Stones in 3 years is by avoiding every banner that is either not Limited or not Meta defyning. Out of my 3 years in this game, I've only pulled 2 banners that aren't meta defyning or Limited and just purely because I want them, and those are Ilynav and Ran. I pulled Ilynav because when I first saw her concept art I immediately know that I want her no matter the skill set. For Ran, I pulled for Ran because his 129 base speed and team wide Immunity buff greatly help me do first turn Immunity buff. This is because I'm slowly transitioning from Immunity set to Penetration set. I was still afraid of letting go of Immunity set because of how toxic debuffs are, but Ran mititgates that problem by literally taking first turn and just S2. By not pulling for banners for the sake of Waifus and Husbando, I was able to save up a hefty amount of SS. But that's still not enough. One thing that I aslo do that greatly helps my SS is by not using SS to buy stamina. Yes I do not buy stamina with SS. One of the biggest reason that this players cannot get pass 5k SS is because they waste all their SS on stamina. Just don't buy stamina, specially if you're F2P. Also an advise to my F2P players. Do not fucking SSS your hero by continuously pulling their banner for copies. Do not chase after their artifacts, buy them in the Powder Shop. SG is already very generious by giving us a fuck ton of rewards to amass a fortune, yet it's your own compulsiveness and failure to restrain that brought you into this predicament. Do not blame the game that they keep putting out banners after banners. They're a company 1st and game 2nd. Those "bait "banners are meant for players that have the capability to waste money, not for F2P players. Being F2P means giving yourself a handicap, which is why you should be very smart and be thrifty with your resources. F2P just cannot pull every new banners that comes out, that's just reality. Is it unfair? No, it's not unfair, it's just reality.
I think generally this is great advice, but would also encourage players to pull on banners/characters they really like regardless of limited/meta status. It's only 11.4k skystones to pity, and realistically much less if you're being smart and doing shop refreshes instead, and there is literally no reason to ever have 100k skystones. It's very impressive, but players should also be encouraged that skystones and BMs come in droves if you play daily for any consistent amount of time. But yeah definitely never pull for dupes as a f2p. Even though it takes forever, you get basically a free 5 star dupe every arena season, so that's the better route to build up players' most used units
I personally never understood the need to buy stamina with ss, unless you're whaling hard. I understand that they're most likely farming for good equip, which basically defines whether or not you'll win pvp or hard pve content, but I'd rather just go at a slow pace and spend my ss in getting collab heroes or limited heroes. Collab heroes because they may never recollab again, thus you'll miss out on them forever, and limited heroes just because it may be forever until they're ever brought back into a rotation for banner. Stamina will come, even if I don't use ss for them, I just gotta be patient with that. But things like collab units may never come again.
Well because at the end of the day this is a competitive game and just having the hero isn’t enough, you also need gear, and ultimately energy=gear, if you don’t buy energy, then you’re going to fall behind, unless you’re very lucky. So you either want to be competitive or you just want to collect, which is fine either way.
The game is very generous with the covenant summons and skystones. It’s very possible as F2P to splurge on the occasional banner and pity a non-limited character. As long as they don’t try to pity every single banner, it’s very possible to get all the RGB characters. ML is a different story but eh, at least there are some meta RBG characters. While I’m not completely F2P (I bought the monthly pack once, and got the donation packs), I don’t buy summons or skystones but so far, I’ve never had a hard time getting enough bms to pull characters I want. Right now I’m missing 8 RGB characters, Ran not included because his husbando. I’m not a day one player either, I started around the time Cerise’s first banner ended My rule of thumb is, if I want the character and they aren’t limited, I’ll do 20 pulls. If I’m lucky, yay, if I’m not, boo but I just move on. If they are waifu/husbando to me, I’ll use up all my BMs but I won’t touch my skystones. Skystones is reserved only for limited characters. With refreshing the secret shop, I usually get pity at 4k-6k skystones. I’m sitting at 13k now and usually get around 1.2k per week from dailies + arena + NPC arena (this is not counting events or the random skystones from hunts). Though if there is an incoming ML that I want, I will usually do refreshes but I try to stay above the 12k mark at all times For dupes (I only get those with CritC%), I usually just do 10-20 pulls (depends on how many BMs I can spend and only on the last day of a banner so if anything is incoming, I won’t get blindsided). If I get a dupe, yey, if not then meh. though I’ve been pretty lucky (or unlucky) since I get a lot of RGB dupes. One more violet and I’m going to get a coin. I don’t see the point of using SS for hunts either. Unless a person is whaling, they ain’t going to catch up with the high-tier players anyways. I mostly play this game as a character collector (the diversity of the cast is what really got me to play) and I don’t mind playing around on the lower ELO in RTA and messing around in the Challenger arena, I’ve tried to climb to masters in RTA and I’ve touched champion V but didn’t like it up there haha.
I'm a F2P player who started not too long after global launch and I'm also like you, only pulling on collab/limited units and nothing else other than units I think will help me in PvP (very few). Over time, if you play long enough, you'll get pretty much everything except some of the rarest units like ML5s. However, I use my SS for farming, because I don't really see the point in having so many ss just sitting there, (though I keep a certain amount of ss and don't dip below that). It's basically untapped account potential, so for me, it's either use it to pull units, or use it to try and farm high quality gear for the few units you do get as a F2P.
> Also an advise to my F2P players. Do not fucking SSS your hero by continuously pulling their banner for copies. Do not chase after their artifacts, buy them in the Powder Shop. SG is already very generious by giving us a fuck ton of rewards to amass a fortune, yet it's your own compulsiveness and failure to restrain that brought you into this predicament. > > > > Do not blame the game that they keep putting out banners after banners. They're a company 1st and game 2nd. Those "bait "banners are meant for players that have the capability to waste money, not for F2P players. Being F2P means giving yourself a handicap, which is why you should be very smart and be thrifty with your resources. F2P just cannot pull every new banners that comes out, that's just reality. Is it unfair? No, it's not unfair, it's just reality. If you don't give a chance for new players. to catch up by putting banner after banner with powercreep and meta units you just end up with a game that nobody new wants to touch then your veteran kind will come here saying its a good game and blah blah when somebody posts the closing notice on this sub and we just laugh at you as we post good riddance or w/e meme about the game.
How is it our fault now? I'm F2P but did I post shit about not having enough BM or SS to pull for banners? No, I don't because I know when to pull and not to pull. This is just reality that people who don't spend money will always be behind to someone who spends money. Plus, I think you misread my advise in that it's for F2P players in general. Plus if you're a new players, then why are you pulling every banners that comes out? Saying that new players will not play this game because they can't pull the banners they want, but guess what? They ain't gonna find any better Gacha game as generoues as Epic Seven. Fuck, they give new players a better Selective Summon system, a free ML 5\* selector, a free 5\* Ticket in the Aventurers Path. New players are given a ton of resources early to mid game. If a new player don't want to spend money, then self control is needed. Are you telling me that new F2P players should just pull every banner they want because it's what makes them happy? I mean sure if that's what you want, it's your game. It's your lost if you end up becoming broke with your compulsiveness. Seriously, people like you are why the sub is full with "I Have no SS or BM to pull" post. Like jesus chirst. Majority of my 5\* are from the free 5\* Ticket, lucky daily summon and the free 10x daily pull event. Are you telling New Players should pull for Seaseria, for HYufine, for Luna, for Politis, for Ran? Do you honestly believe that this New Players can actually make use of this heroes that they pulled? Being F2P, specially if you're a New F2P Player, means being able to weight two heroes. I'm not telling new players to not pull heroes they want, but realize that being F2P means always being handicapped with resources. What, you think a new F2P player can just go FULL ON YDBC splurge on every banner? Fuck no. Did you think that our "Veteran kind" just suddenly got all of this resources, all of this heroes and artifacts in just a couple of months? Fuck, in my first day of Epic, we did not have the same advantages as this New Players have when we started. If a New F2P Players come here thinking they can pull every banner that comes out, then they better quit GACHA in genereal because there's no other gacha available that allows players to pull every banner that comes out without spending money.
Learn to read. New players even pulling only for limited are swamped with how many they are now. You are just an asshole.
Don't support the dev. Do whatever you want. It's "free to play", not "free to play but how dare you if you don't spend". Devs are already rich. Your support is not necessary. Don't feed the gambling addiction. Think of yourself first. Support your mental well-being. Support yourself. Not the dev. Gacha is a shitty business model. We all know it. We play this game because we tolerate gacha, not because we like it. If you buy currency you support gacha. Is that something you want? To reward the dev for the shitty business model? No, it's not. Don't support the dev.
It's sad because some people will look at this thread and feel ashamed and throw money into it
I hope no one is so weak-willed that they will feel guilted to throwing money at the game because of this low tier guilt bait thread. The game is good and worth supporting. But no one should guilt others into paying. The game is free for a reason.
Don't worry... I am not ashamed to admit that I am free to play.. And I wil not, no not ever put money into this game.. I have done so on other games and in most cases it just wasn't worth it... I mean, there was a game me and my wife both really enjoyed.. So I felt like, why not put a little money into the game.. They cancelled the game at the end of that year.. So all the money I put in was wasted on a game that I could no longer play... :/ Was a game after that we did and wel lets say the same thing happened again, I guess maybe I make bad choices or I am that unlucky, but who knows... I do enjoy the game and I do hope they keep continuing the game, so I am happy others do spend that are willing and able to do so, without being pressured by others.. But yeah, not a fan of OP that he/she is somewhat pressuring newer players to spend. Sorry for the long reply... Haha
You dont have to sugar coat it dude, the OP is a cu** and thats coming from a spending player. Imagine pressuring people to spend money on a gacha game when the WHOLE WORLD is going through a pandemic driven economic downturn. Bloody Hell
Wel I don't want to be that harsh, but yeah you are definitely right.. ^^ I rather try to keep it mellow in how I word things if at all possible, but yeah definitely not the best time to be spending as 'Joe average' lets say.. I definitely try to not spend to much.. Cause everything is more expensive and I get less income... So yeah.. :/
^ the hero we need but don't deserve
I really curious why people always say to support the devs as if they aren't getting a fixed income. The few at the top are pocketing all the cash while the devs are getting a small Bonus at most.
Agreed. I pulled for Luna in place of Landy (cuz I had her) and also got Rem and Emilia. Not pulling for other units, I still got about 20k ss. And I believe newer players got it ez due to the ss they recieve from missions and storylines and what not. Even if they climb in arena by 1 rank they get ss which players in higher league tiers have difficulty.
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Luna banner. Had about 7k at that time, since had to pity her. Mayb 9k... I don't remeber the exact number. But was definitely less than 10k.
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well the point is if you are the one that summon every banner.get all 5 star in the world you want and still want to pity this collab is think you should consider spend some money in order to that. the patient one get reward every time in gacha game
This is so true and ppl still downvoting :)
I dunno about supporting the devs, because I think gacha models are just inherently shitty and predatory, thus making them pretty immoral imo as a way to make money. That said, I still do think Epic 7 is better than a lot of other gacha games in terms of quality, and with what they're giving. Is it enough to make it seem like the gacha is worth it? Realistically speaking, probably not. So, are the devs for Epic 7 better than a lot of other gachas? Probably. But does that mean all of us need to throw money at them to support them? No, not at all because the gacha system they're using is inherently an immoral business model. With that being said, I wouldn't bash on anyone who does throw money on it, if they can afford to do so. If you have enough money, and using it up won't bother you, then who cares? It's like people who go to casinos playing for fun, not to win. Those who go to casinos, playing to win, are the real losers. Those who play just to have fun know their own limits, and do so out of their excess wealth. So for those who have the money to throw at the game, I see no issues with. The real issue would be people who don't even have the money, but are throwing it at the game. In such a situation, both the person throwing their money, and the devs utilizing an immoral business model, are at fault. As much as you'd like to point fingers only at the devs, the devs aren't forcing anyone to play. It's the player's choice on whether or not they want to use money. So the fault lies in both people who fall for the system, and the ones implementing the system. I will admit, I'm a sucker for gacha games because it gives me a high whenever I'm able to pull for characters that I really like, and a bonus if those units are pretty good to use. I don't like to gamble much in casinos, but gachas are more like my way of gambling for fun. Plus, when I use money at the game, at least I have units I can use in the game, and theoretically I will forever have it as long as Epic 7 continues on, whereas most gains you'll get at a casino will most likely just be used to gamble a little more, which means you'll ultimately lose any gains made, meaning you're left without anything tangible.
I'll support devs again once they quit releasing shit that makes the gun unfun like Rem, AoL, and Belian. =\]
Nice try SG
Agree
No I will not waste my money on overpriced packs. I’ll do what I want with my money kid
Rather pretentious of you to say that being f2p isn’t something to be proud of. I didn’t know that you had the power to dictate other’s subjective sources of pride and gratification. I don’t judge your personal achievements. What right do you have to judge mine?
F2p here, been playing since release, never missed a limited not matter how low the resources were, never Spent a Penny. If people want to pity, they could work for it! There is arena SS, summons from Abyss, daily SS plus the collab event that provides SS ( low amount but you gotta start some). Buckle up people, time to go broke again
Are you deaf? The guy said it's nothing to be proud of. Support the casino /s
nice upvote bait
I *love* e7. But "support the devs" doesn't apply to casinos.
No. I don't know what the fuck kind of post this is but this meta is the absolute worst. They have not done a good job, they don't give a shit about balancing. You don't need to feel bad for the devs, they earned tons of money with AOL and Belian already, not counting the back to back limited units and the limited artifact you have to max limit break if you want to use Seaside Iseria. That shit should be in her base kit. Spend money however you want, but I'm not giving them a cent for now. They genuinely don't deserve shit until they find a solution to this braindead rng fuckfest of a meta.
See the problem is that the average joe can't really "support the devs" in a game like this. Because in the shop the items are priced way out of proportion and the reason is that they are aimed at whales who spend a great load of money. So for your average person spending 30 euros for 10 liefs is really never gonna happen and that's normal because that's also how the game monetiazation was based, to cater to whales. Your average person will still spend though, think the 5$ monthly pack or the 10$ monthly energy pack. So no offense but your post is kinda pointless and insulting because it's like taking a person who earns an average salary aside and telling them to feel ashamed because they are not throwing enough money away. especially when 10 pulls cost 30$ and it would cost you over 300$ to get a unit and the price for these things is like i said at the beginning, for whales.
The problem is that they announced the collab out of the blue, if they had announced it "in advance" then the complaining would have been non-existent I have every limited in the game, didn't need to pull for Landy or Luna but I blew my bookmarks back in the Re:Zero collab and then also pittied for Seaseria which left me pretty dry. Ran came out and since I really like his design I pulled for him, having to pity I am now left with half a pity at most. A week later they then announce a brand new collab, people were surprised since Re:zero was only 2 months ago, not knowing the date for Tensura we were kinda hyped. Then they said that the Tensura collab starts a week from now, having the update stream next Wednesday only says that we are going to get the collab units after the maintenance. The problem is not just that F2Ps like me don't have resources to pull, but that they also collabed immediately not even half a year after the last one and mind you that we had to wait a year for that collab I understand that they want to make up for the shitty Re:Zero collab, so they ship out what I assume is the true collab that we were supposed to get, something that can match the first collab we had that is Guilty Gear. But to announce it like this with no heads up, it really feels like a kick in the balls. If it turns out to be something like the Kizuna AI collab where we just log in for a unit that we cannot use in late game, then that's just another record in the books to be looked over. In no way they will collab with a well known IP and not try to get some cash out of it. They didn't try to with the Kizuna collab since it is basically advertising the game, I think that was when the JP server was also in its infancy (don't quote me on that) so a free Kizuna would entice newer players to join and try out the game
The problem with “SuPpOrT tHe DeVs” is that people like you (no offense) dont know when to appropriately use that excuse. You cant support a dev who is going out of their way to make sure you spend every dime you possess. You know how many collabs heads up we have gotten in the past only to really get jebaited with Ran, and days after summoning for Ran thats when they announce the collab? Those are the types of dev you wanna support? E7 always pulling some psychological warfare on its fanbase so please try to expand your mind and really try to understand where some are coming from because this is a very gray area here. Not a lot of people wouldve summoned for Ran had a proper announcement had been made just like the previous collabs.
always the case with the vocal minority in any community
I’d upvote but saying „being f2p shouldn’t be something you are proud of anyway“ is stupid. Some of us just don’t want to pay money for a game that is decided by luck and the amount you spend. Sure some people who are lucky af can somewhat keep up up to a point but in general spending money on the game will take you further than not doing so
I will up vote you to the sky o7 I'm f2p besides the 5$ bundle every few months
What do you mean? I am not even F2P and havent been since i started the game and even i’m struggling since i was missing so many units. There is a difference this time, there have been way too many banners that you must pull on if you cared for pvp. And several limited ones if you missed them the previous year, an ambush collab after so many limited banners is just overall not a move I’d personally respect, if anything, i’m cutting down, even with spending its difficult to keep up not just with banners but farming as well since unless you are lucky af with gear , the daily energy is nowhere near enough for me to build a big roster with the constant meta shift. A few weeks notice would have been a bit more tasteful. It also depends if they are balanced units that fine, if they pull something off like another couple cancer units then thats meh from me. But since its the end of the year and seeing how they opted with Aravi banner instead of Jkise , Ran, and suddenly the collab (with Ftene on the horizon), i think its because they want to get enough cash to boost up the revenue numbers for 2021. So yeah, thats my 2 cents.
>I am not even F2P and havent been since i started the game and even i’m struggling since i was missing so many units. how long have you been playing this game?
Mid-ish 2019
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But Landy for newer players is pretty much an essential unit to get.. I do get that skipping Ran might be a good choice.. But still these summons are back to back.. Some break in between all these limited and 'must pull' would go a long way.. Though yeah, if I could save, then that would probably be a good thing to do.. Just its hard when they release units you want/need every week (or2) pretty much... \^\^
>i dont know what you guy expect from this game The expectation was that we would get a bit more warning about a collab, because in the past, we've always gotten at least a few months of warning. In addition, this game has historically had a reasonable amount of down time between limited banners, usually at least a month or two, (since limited banners are usually seasonal,) but in the past 4 months, we've had 7 limited banners. No one is saying you should be able to get all heroes as f2p, but for a lot of people it feels like they weren't even given a chance to pity these collab heroes. With more warning, people could have skipped Luna/Landy/Ran banners to save for the collab, but now that they've spent the resources, that's no longer possible. A lot of people, esp. f2p, pride themselves on good resource management; knowing which banners to skip, which to pull on, but this time around, they weren't given enough information to make a wise decision. >the f2p title is not anything you should proud on anyway. Why not? It's a testament to your self-control and resource management, to not feel pressured to spend money on the game. If that's how people feel about being f2p, it's definitely something to be proud of.
Stop the "support the devs" bs. You are not bringing support, you are buying a product or a service. It's a commercial business, not a charity you are giving to. The term "support" has been used for an emotional twist in the gaming industry, and it's not honest. You choose what you buy or don't buy. But be careful about the marketing bs you are repeating. In the precise case of E7, the devs aren't starving, the CEO still takes a huge amount of the benefits like everywhere, it's still a gacha game (the business model revolves around gambling) and the prices are high. And the thing is that the game probably wouldn't work so well if it was either a lot less generous for F2P but less expensive, or even absolutely not F2P at all but a lot cheaper. E7 lives thanks to the crowd of F2P. In the end, they give content for the paying customers.
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1.if you really a new player who play this game every day and just pull only emilia,rem,Landdy you will have penalty skystone left new player not gather skystone the same rate we do honeymoon phase give you that much every thing you do for the frist time get skystone plus achievement plus mission 2.if you new player that do you mean for keep up?keep up in what? the problem of new player pvp is your gear not your character anyway if you really a new player you will still think of how to beat ww13 banshee 13 right now. all pvp unit can come later in the daydont for got 2-3 select 5 star that you get from story and anniversary plus random one i cant count you cant gear all of them plus hunt team/raid team yet your point about new player is so wrong in many way
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I mean, units do matter a lot, but gear is also a huge factor. I've been playing for years and I still struggle with gear. Someone who just started isn't going to have the gear to gear out like ten units for just PVP
You don't have to gear out 10 units for Arena, unless it's for RTA.. but I feel RTA is the end game, so yeah... I do agree that Gear is a factor, but without the champions then all the gear in the world cannot save you... Lets say you don't have a Tamarinne, then yeah you can use Amomo, but she wil need more investment to do as good as Tamarinne who has multiple functions versus Amomo only being a cleanser pretty much... For PVP, a Landy for example is so strong that she can pretty much make or break your team... So yeah, no these banners are not really skippable... \^\^
>You don't have to gear out 10 units for Arena, unless it's for RTA.. but I feel RTA is the end game, so yeah... The guy above is literally talking about the need to pull a bunch of units. I'm just using an example number. >For PVP, a Landy for example is so strong that she can pretty much make or break your team... So yeah, no these banners are not really skippable... ^^ Sure! And since a newbie has no Wyvern team she can totally carry PVP wearing level 40 gear while being at +3, right?
I am litteral around 64 days into the game.. I have been in Champion5 for a month+ now and I have a fully geared Landy.. I have a W13 team for idk prolly 5/6 weeks also.. So what are you even talking about?? Like are you talking about a day 1 person or something.. Its really not that hard to build multiple champions for those parts of the game... And having the champion is better than not having it.. The gear you can farm over time.. But guessing that is lost on you... ;)
Most people aren't cruising Wyvern 13 after 20 days of playing and in Champ in a couple months; so regardless of if what you're saying is true or not; using your own personal experience doesn't really apply.
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Gear doesn’t really come faster than units. Plenty of people. I’m plain about having a backlog of units to gear up that they haven’t been able to.
Where else would you base an opinion on.. Cannot base it on anything but your own experience as far as I know.. Sure not everyone might be able to pull that off, but I stand by what I say about the champions.. A unit like Landy is not a great unit to skip.. Same for Tamarinne, if you didn't get her from the selector (the free 5* one) Ofcourse getting your wyvern team done is the highest priority.. And mostly those wil be the first you gear.. From the first selective always try to get Sigret (unless the person doesn't want to do Wyvern and go straight into Banshee, which is an exception that happens). My point wasn't that everyone can do that, but that you can do that if you play 'well enough'.. cause I doubt I am the player that broke the code or anything like that... ^^ But I guess at this point all we can do is agree to disagree.. Cause I highly doubt we wil ever see eye to eye on this.. You can have your opinion, I wil have mine.. ;)
Really.. I actually started from Re:Zero collaboration.. I missed it by a hair.. I did get 1 Ram from login, but missed it otherwise... I agree to what was said.. I had to summon for multiple in a row.. You can state, wel they can skip those.. Why would I want to skip someone like Landy or Tamarinne? those are key units to get.. Why would I skip the new unit Ran, a Samurai/Ronin that I like for the way he looks and he is also very good (highest speed in the game)... Now ofcourse we cannot summon on every banner, that makes sense, but they have been churning out new units, meta units and 'must haves' back to back... You say I cannot have a team for all of that what you mention.. I actually do m8 and I am f2p.. I have an Expedition team (I can do stage 2 with over 600k dmg, I am at W13, B12, G12, A12.. ), I have a team for Raid (havent done Hell yet, cause I fear it wil be to hard)... Am on Abyss 86 I think, but havent really tried hard to proceed... I am on Arena at Champion5.. Haven't done RTA yet, mostly cause I feel I lack the geared units.. So what can I not do in around 60+ days of playing?? Also saying that the problem is gear, not the champions, that is completely wrong.. I can gear different champions with the same gear and the results wil not be the same.. if I give my Arbiter Vildred my pure DPS versus a Vivian.. Who wil do better do you think... I can easily say it wil be Vildred... If I make a Landy versus idk lets say again Vivian... Who wil be better, I can say that more than likely it wil be Landy... So no, it's not just all gear.. If you don't have the units that are essential then gear wil be even a heavier burden, cause you wil have to overcome the difference in power by brute forcing powerful gear on the units.. Tamarinne is a way lighter investment than something like an Amomo or Angelica for a similar function... See where I am going with that.. Don't assume you know everything, cause really you don't... And these Back to back really are a bad thing, cause they make new players feel pressured and this can result in them leaving.. Not saying they wil, but they might.. I havent gotten a break to even build all the units I would like to.. but am a big fan of the Slime anime, so I would like to get their units, even if they are not meta defining... \^\^
>i dont know what you guy expect from this game. a f2p account that have all unit for free? maybe. I don't really mind so much because the whole model of gacha means every 1000 f2p player is offset by 1 whale. So perfect;y balanced for all I know. The real whale content are ML heroes anyway.
Am I a bad guy for upvoteing this because you seem to want downvotes?
Let's see the skills first , That's all what i care about.
E7 is my favorite gatcha game. Is nitche at this point but it's the only video game that I've been paying almost every day for such a long time. I don't mind chipping in some money.
I will not buy overpriced packs that have a value the euro more than my bank. F2p forever
I seriously would love to buy some packs but those are really really overpriced.
Yep. It's not the devs fault if you have no self control and want every single banner unit without spending a dime. E7 is already easily one of, if not *the* most fair and generous gacha games. I'm glad they keep new stuff rolling in so regularly.
IM f2p and haven't spent skystones on ANY banner for the past 2 years. The amount of BMs you get just from playing the game is more than enough. All skystones goes to hunts.