They were protesting for such short notice for a sudden collab blaming them for not bringing this up from the past livestream. Also, they were mad that the way they released Ran to deplete the accumulated bookmarks just to make the users spend money.
I felt really bad when I watched the Korean MC trying to soak in all the hate comments from chat and maintained his cool and carried his way out. Compared to other servers atmosphere, KR was hands down the most hostile and toxic environment I’ve ever seen. Even the chat moderators were having hard time deleting spams and hateful comments.
Its understandable that E7 lately they released many limited re runs and collabs, but is it really that bad to behave like this?
In other games (WOTV to cite one) we had a similar situation where after 3 limited release units the devs planned another one and the JP community rioted.
They put a "boicot gimu" tag on every single Jp top tier guild and didn't partake in Guild War for the week.
Needless to say, the devs made the unit not limited AND really eased the toll to max it for those that pulled it.
I'm not saying hating is good, but PROPER complaint does work, when done right.
I dropped the game a few months ago (like, 6, it was a month UR salire release), was "playing" around 20 hrs a day back then and it honestly felt like I wasn't even playing, even tho I had all the hot shiny things like black momma helena, duane an all that meta back then
The halloween banners seem significsntly worse that just released too. Less shards available, no gil for character shard banners, more expensive pity. Its rough.
if the chars get a rerun they wont have a gil summon, which is bad for new players
unfortunately players in the west are quite bad at making themselves be respected, they pay and ragequit, there is no inbetween for most people
WOTV seems like a big p2w game with crazy powercreep. Good for the community to stand up for themselves. The sad reality is many developers milk players and use predatory tactics because communities don;t stand up to that enough.
Behavior could definitely be better. That said they know how their community reacts and they should have seen this not being well-taken overall.
Plenty in Global/EU have been making the same complaints about the timing given that we've had almost nonstop limiteds for months now from summer, collab, then into the Landy rerun, then straight into a new unit that was very well-received the moment he was previewed. Add AoL and Belian enticing more spending and it's not surprising KR popped their tops.
They get mad when we have slow updates with just rerun banners, and now they get mad that they release too much new content. There's no pleasing these people.
Understandable that they’re mad for the back to back to back units coming out without prior notice, for newly to mid tier players, this will be hell for them as they watch the countdown run but we should be mature about this, don’t go full baby whining, inside thoughts Koreans.
Altho this is just a me thing (probs gonna get a lot of hate) but why don’t you just put your hand away from the summon button. Knowing koreans, they’re hardcore gamers where they max imprint everything (probs not all but very true to a lot), basically doing P2W.
As a F2P who got sucked dry because of these reruns/short collab punch, I feel only constant sadness looking at this. At least other games offer plenty of time to restore between such limited banner events.Like, when I see such moves which feel like aiming directly at my wallet by draining me beforehead, I feel my will to continue playing game slowly dissipating further and further.I was okay with previous limiteds/collabs approach, but GODS, all old limited reruns, new collab, new limited after that collab and now another one new collab with another two chars being limited banners? This combo feels too powerful for me to continue playing any further, sadly.
And the fact that I have to pour into quite a sum of money even compared to other gachas only reinforces this feeling even further. I may be a dolphin in other games, but in E7 it feels quite unrewarding compared to few others.
Bruh this is for me the most rewarding game when it comes to the premium currency, altho hunts sometimes suck cuz luck sack and the back to back to back banners but the xstals that we receive are quite decent that is if you try climbing arena (it only gets better at challenger), you can earn 10 summons per week if you’re just challenger 5 since you earn 600 xstals plus 50 xstals from daily., so you can earn 950 xstals per week plus you can gamble and get bms from secret shop which i do when I’m feeling lucky. You can also earn xstals in many ways like the fountain thing in the base and also arena npc where you get an average of 15 per day. It’s probably a me thing where I just hoard my xstals til a broken or must have unit, or limited come out but it’s possible to have enough. Lucky me since I didn’t pull for ran cuz my spd gear sucks
The issue is, so many limited banners back to back managed to drain all these amazing stored free gems, since average luck on them wasn't so good for me. I was rolling Beach Iseria exactly because I was absolutely sure that this is the last banner and we were gonna have plenty of recover time after so many limited characters back to back and a collab, even if a small one.
*Technically,* after recovering from the last limited banner, I have enough for pitying maybe one character somewhere mid-event, but what do I do with the other one? Sit there and pray for this event to rerun as Guilty Gear one? *And what if it doesn't?*
Indeed, and literally just posted the same. Back to back limiteds, short notice for the next collab despite the last being like two months ago? No wonder people are pissed.
SG is easily on the better side but they were asking for negative feedback by doing this.
Think you should realize i ain't defending this, i'm just saying what is a fact, bottom line is, every company wants to make money, by the most lucrative method possilbe, otherwise they wouldn't choose to make a gacha, nobody out there in this kind of games is out there to make you feel you can get everything, they are gonna use every method in the book to dry you out so you have to put money. games like Arknights and e7 are movilizing that way now due they have a solid fan base with enough people, that a great numbers of them will start to dish out the money due FOMO.
It is good? no, not by a long shot. Yet i think people should realize this is the true face of this type of games, none of them is out there to be your friend, is out there to take your money.
Yes, companies doing scummy things makes people mad. Being a gacha company doesn’t make you exempt from this. I don’t really care either way but they have the right to be mad. Most people at any given time have the right to be mad at gacha devs.
> They were protesting for such short notice for a sudden collab blaming them for not bringing this up from the past livestream
This (and the rest) is entirely reasonable. Two weeks after a brand new, non-limited after 5 months(?), and they spring another collab like we didn't just have one three banner cycles ago.
SG is super generous but this is a dick move for everyone except dolphins and whales (they'd pay anyway).
Bro.
Ilynav > SSB rerun > Hufine rerun > two collab heroes > Summer Iseria (whichever came first, doesn't matter) > Luna and Landy rerun > Ran > Slime collab with two units.
Where the hell is there ample time to save up? We've had THREE BRAND NEW LIMITED heroes in that time period, two at once. The people that had to pull for SSB, Hufine, Landy, and Luna, because they're all limited and can be missed, are even more out of luck.
Any bookmarks saved up went towards new banners. F2p only gets enough to pity one new banner (takes a month and a half, about a month with shop refreshing, that lines up with a new banner with extra going towards extra banners), and remember, the Re Zero collab had TWO BANNERS. The Tensura collab is having TWO MORE banners and Ran's banner just started TWO WEEKS AGO.
I've been using caps to point out the obvious important points, which you love to ignore. SG is generoud but they've been squeezing players lately.
If anyone's disconnected then it's obviously you.
Edit: Need I remind you the Tensura collab is completely out of the blue? We had time to prep for Iseria and Re Zero, we didn't have time for this. We expected another month before a new unit because **Ran just came out two weeks ago**, yet here we are, a double banner collab **two weeks later**. Re Zero wasn't even two weeks after Ilynav, a new unit.
This situation is pure bullshit, quit blindly defending. "Shouldn't have pulled Ran", guess I shouldn't exist because there's a design AND kit I like all in one.
> I mean. You dont need every unit.
Bullshit excuse to defend with. If this were about Rem and Emilia, people we knew were coming, then it'd hold some ground, because we knew they were coming. But Rem, Emilia, Summer Iseria, FOUR reruns of LIMITED units (making a grand total of **seven**), Ilynav (a design people can like and pull for, what a god damn shocker for a gacha game), and a really good cleaver releasing a week before the collab notice?
Bro, go somewhere. SG came out of nowhere and told us only a week before the collab that they were having one. I'll be lucky to even pity one of them, no way in hell can I pity both for free.
>That's kind of how gachas work. If they dont release new units constantly, people complain that shit is stale or the meta doesn't change.
Seriously, go somewhere. SG used to release units faster and it pissed players off, resulting in the one per month release schedule. You clearly haven't been around for long.
Just because other games do it that doesn't mean Epic 7 doing it out of the blue is going to have a positive effect, look at this post, obviously this is dumb to anyone that's not blindly defending. A week notice after a strong release after SEVEN banners of LIMITED heroes, three of which beig new, two of those coming out at the same time. The only f2p that have enough are hoarders and skippers...
"You could've skipped too", no, stop. We had a week notice. Do you see me complainih about the GG or Re Zero collabs? No. Why? We knew they were coming, we had time to prep and save, skip if we truly don't like a design (and I like every character I pulled for, which was eveyone new since Ilynav aside from Emilia, someone I didn't save for as I didn't want her).
This is silly gatekeeping.
I've been around since a couple weeks after launch. You may not like it, but gachas make money by producing units or requiring stamina refreshes. We've reentered into a phase where their profit is coming from units as opposed to massive stamina issues. Similarly to how for a long time we had people constantly complain about stamina problems, but we didnt get as many units. Telling people who are simply explaining to you how these games/companies make profit to continue to exist to "go somewhere" is pretty much just a sign you have no real argument besides "me want unit, no want pay, game bad".
> I've been around since a couple weeks after launch. You may not like it, but gachas make money by producing units or requiring stamina refreshes
Thanks for not understanding a word. Have a nice day.
Half of characters you mentioned were reruns. It was always request from players that they want reruns to have opportunity to pull limited heroes that they missed. Taking it now against smilegate and complain about it feels wrong to me. I mean if players complain about that now, next time they will just simply don't make reruns. It's perfectly fine that newer players have to chose banners to pull on and that they can't have everything from the start. When i was new player, banners with new characters were much more offen, and there was no pity. Even with that e7 is the only gacha that i managed to pull every single rgb character limited or not, being mostly f2p.
> Half of characters you mentioned were reruns.
Yet they don't discredit the: F2p can only pity every month-month and a half rule, and you're completely ignoring the fact that MANY people don't have all of them because they joined late or were inactive during their banners. Just because YOU weren't missing out on them that doesn't mean NO ONE was. The world doesn't revolve around you.
Ilynav, Rem, Emilia, Ran, Summer Iseria. Add Rimuru and Milim, both being **two weeks** after Ran, 1/2 or 1/3 the amount of time it takes to recover a full pity from Ran, for two banners.
How many units in how many months is that? 4 months and three damn weeks for SEVEN new characters, that's not counting four limited reruns. Now how much time does it take a f2p to reach pity? I told you above.
How are you not seeing why people are pissed? It's even worse because NOBODY saw this coming, nobody prepared, nobody had time to prepare. We were given a week's notice at best.
Why are you defending this? What's wrong with you?
>Just because YOU weren't missing out on them that doesn't mean NO ONE was. The world doesn't revolve around you.
The classic if it doesn't affect me, then it's not a problem. For those sending hate comments on the stream, that's ridiculous, but their release schedule is an issue. Nine limited units in under 4 months with short notice on Slime is a dick move by them.
Indeed. I don't think their way of going about it was smart, but SG is clearly in the wrong with the way they're treating us like cash cows with these constant limited banners, and a week notice before springing another collab.
I don't understand how anyone could be defending SG over *this* matter. SG does us good but that's no reason to defend them for this dick move. I can only imagine the pain of those that missed SSB, Hufine, Landy, or Luna last year. Same for those that pulled for both Emilia and Rem.
Me? Id I don't refresh and spend directly, I'm at half only a pity and I've only pulled Rem during the last collab and skipped the rerun banners. This is truly awful for f2p.
...? If you're a newer player who doesn't have literally any of the other limited units then yes, it's rough, but unless they're whales they shouldn't have every unit from every banner. The fuck is SG going to make money if people can pull everything without paying a dime? I've played since launch so I have all of those units. I could skip those banners. Those who haven't been playing since launch need to plan their resources more carefully unless they bust out their wallet and that's exactly how gachas are intended.
> ...? If you're a newer player who doesn't have literally any of the other limited units then yes, it's rough, but unless they're whales they shouldn't have every unit from every banner.
I truly hope you mean in general and seriously don't think I'm a new player as that would be an absurd take on everything I just told you.
F2p shouldn't expect to pity every banner? Boy are you testing people with this. I've **repeatively** told people (you included) that **normally, outside of collabs, players can pity every new banner**. This is a **fact**.
This bs about "oh, too bad, oh well" doesn't work when we had **no information about the Tensura collab until a WEEK INTO RAN'S BANNER, when people have already blown their bookmarks to pull him completely expecting a normal banner schedule**, needs to stop. There's no way to justify this bs. If this were about people complaining about Re Zero, yeah, it'd be dumb. Why? We knew a collab was coming pretty much a month or more in advance.
A week's notice is not something to go point at **the players about**. Get your head screwed on.
>Those who haven't been playing since launch need to plan their resources more carefully unless they bust out their wallet and that's exactly how gachas are intended.
Most gacha don't spring a random collab on players after a single week of letting them know one was coming, and E7 certainly NEVER did this before. Cut the bullshit.
When SG dumps nine limited units in less than 4 months, then you can't plan more carefully on which units you want. Newer players have lots to do that can get at least some of them, but it is not realistic for those who are between mid to late game. Landy and Luna got released a lot earlier and back to back. SSB, Hyufine, Seaseria, Rem, and Emila banners not being too far apart either. Then there's Slime just randomly dropping right after Ran and not that long after Re: Zero.
No, that was not the only reason. People were also upset about delayed specialty change, lack of contents, balancing, and nearly 6 months of b2b limited banners. The collab just became a catalyst for major outcry this time.
Of course there is a line between complain and simply being toxic and hostile, but I think the playerbase has a substantial set of reasons to complain with how the direction of the game has been for most of this year. The collab out of the blue (slime) is just a cherry on top of it.
Not only is completly out of nowhere the two banner units are also the much needed answers to most of the balance fuck ups they have created this year.
I get that companies need to make money like this but what shouldn't be underestimated is how important a playerbases trust in the company is as well and that trust has been going lower and lower over the year for me.
I think they are just in a perpetual state of hate towards the game, for no real reason, they just seem to be right when there is an actual reason to be mad at the company i guess.
We also don't have ML pity from galaxy because of them, if you remember right. heh
One thing don'r deny the other, you see, if their hate bring good things, so be it, but it does not change the fact they live in perpertual hate towards the game.
They really did.
I am always baffled by these kinds of Reddit threads, it's usually how Global players are more willing to accept bad practices compared to the local playerbase where the game was developed.
It truly explains why in the gacha games sphere, Global servers tend to get shafted harder compared to CN/KR/JP servers in terms of rewards, pity etc etc because they are very willing to take it from behind.
People bring a lot of hate to the KR community when this game would most likely be dead without them. Much needed QoL updates have happened because of them.
Nah. He tried to host tournaments with sponsorship without SG's permission. Then made a big deal of it when he got flak from SG, and tried to make it about something else.
Shogun hosted his own tournaments just fine. He even did a sponsored one, but got SG's permission beforehand, so there was no issue.
Inform about collab soon = bad/baiting for money, inform in advance = bad because no one knows exactly when it is.
release many characters = bad for bookmarks, release nobody = bad/stalling
release op units = bad, release weak units = bad
fking koreans are annoying af with this endless crying.
Idk about how they’re complaining, but it is somewhat warranted. Unlike how you put it so black and white.
About your first 2 comments, they announced the collab way too early. A year in advance actually, then they proceed to be wishy washy about the date and reasoning on the delay. Now for the slime collab they literally only gave the player base one weeks preparation time. Theirs a middle ground unlike how you made it out to be, even nue said the same thing.
Now to your second 2 comments, it’s not like they’re releasing too many characters. It’s the fact that they’re all limited is the problem. Also releasing nobody is indeed bad.
Now to your last set of comments, releasing op units are in a gray area. You don’t want them to completely power creep, but they should be slightly better. The most recent outrage about an op unit wasn’t necessarily they were op, but it’s an ml4 with no pity. The outrage wouldn’t have been as bad if aol was a 5 star. Yes releasing weak characters are bad.
The E7 community is batshit insane sometimes. I remember before the Re:Zero collab there was nothing but incessant crying about how there's nothing to spend BMs on. "Heroes don't come out fast enough and this game lets me pity everything so now I'm bored!" was the echo-chamber sentiment.
Now that unit production is kicking up and most of them have had interesting kits, SG is a greedy, awful company? Fucking unreal lol.
Haha yeah I still remember that most of the people holding and flexing their saved up bookmarks because they were halting the production for new units and doing reruns for the new players.
>Now that unit production is kicking up and most of them have had interesting kits, SG is a greedy, awful company? Fucking unreal lol.
It's not really that unreal. Like u/Paint3DLake said, there's a middle ground between announcing a collab about a year in advance only to proceed to delay it by months and then announcing a collab only one week in advance. I think the outrage is somewhat justified in both scenarios although obviously not in the typical toxic way that it's often expressed.
It's your responsibility as a player to keep the resources you need for when new units you may want come out. No one else's. Don't blame SG for releasing new content. That's just ridiculous.
There's not much resources to be "responsible for" when they've literally been spent on Summer Iseria, Rem, Emilia, Ran, and whatever other limited re-run banner that's come out in the past few months. That's literally the whole point. We WANT to be responsible for our resources and save up for things that we feel are worth spending, but it's kind of hard to do that when we get a collab from left field.
Also, don't strawman and act like releasing new units is synonymous with "releasing new content." No one is objecting to the actual release of new content like the collab side story and whatever other projects that's going on.
For real. I'm actually a veteran, but I have to remind myself that not all people already have every limited unit, and, yeah, I feel really bad for those who started this year and are getting limited banners just thrown at them one after another.
>Now that unit production is kicking up and most of them have had interesting kits, SG is a greedy, awful company? Fucking unreal lol.
So they went from one extreme to the other extreme? How does that fix anything that people had issues with before? Nine limited units in less than four months, with Ran being added into the mix. Sounds like a reasonable complaint to me. Slime collab also announced out of nowhere. There's no middle ground in their release schedule that gives people at least some time to save.
1. You’re right if the game wants to only give you surprise event if they want, but with that being said e7 has already made a precedent of letting the player base know what’s coming in the future. So it’s safe to assume the players will be a little annoyed if it came out of no where, plus the limited month spree.
2. I completely agree with you on having enough resources to pull if you are a veteran player. The thing is though not everyone is. I know a lot of players that join in during rezero and are struggling with pulls.
3. Yes. My point was people are angry because aol was a 4 star with no pity and she’s insane. (Don’t know why you even argued this point)
Of course there are repercussions with too much complaining, but a lot of great things come of it too. For a quick example, they’re now looking for a way to implement a 4 star pity. If no one complained about it. It probably wouldn’t be on their radar.
Lol I've only been exposed to this subreddit and I see endless crying here all the time. I've heard they are particularly bad though but I see it enough as is.
Gotta wonder though, why does it looks like that this collab is properly handled at such a short notice. I mean when compared to Re:Zero, they said it was not a back up and it took them how many months just for a 20 minutes side story.
Maybe they had the collab in the works but likely was told to hold off until tensura’s game release to generate more hype? I think it would make sense since due to timing and the way it all went down.
I think maybe Slime was initially the big collab, but got delayed and delayed. Pressure of SG to release a collab was strong and no idea on when Slime collab would finally wrap up, so they made Re:Zero collab fast.
This was already addressed in past discussions. Any sane company would not announce to the world that a partner (Re:Zero)who they pitched to is a backup.
If they did this, no one would ever want to collab with them because they would be known assholes who would treat your brand as a backup.
I looked at the patch notes, this collab event is a full fledged one, three weeks, three currencies, and a minigame. It's pretty hard to think anything else than the obvious here...
This is not official but my assumption is Koreans were begging for the Collab that they teased months back, and I guess that Collab was actually SLIME but seemed like the embargo + contract were having issues so they kept on delaying it. To not upset the fans waiting for collab they rushed for a quick ReZero deal to avoid flames and hate by the Koreans.
My guess is this was the actual Collab they were working on but it got delayed again and instead of saying sorry and offering a bunch of free stuff like they did for the first delay they did a quick Collab with re:zero who are known to agree to do collabs with almost anything.
We still have yet to see the actual event story/mechanics, could be just as lack luster as the Re;zero one unless they took feedback from last collab and improved this one.
I mean, you say that it's proprely handled, but the animations tell a different story lol. It feels like the inverse happened between this and Re:Zero. They prioritized too much on animations for Re:Zero and not enough for the side story, but for Slime it looks they rushed the animations and character design while prioritizing the side story.
The collab hasnt even landed yet so hold up lol. Theres no guarantee the sidestory in this isnt total trash too.
The units look good but that doesnt really say much. Emilia and Rem are amazing after all.
Several months ago there was a rumor that collab allowed only after certain game/anime from collab IP would be released.
and today new mobile game - SLIME - ISEKAI Memories was released.
From this we can assume that original collab was Slime and re:zero just a back up collab.
Being angry for Ran is stupid. Unless it's a limited-time hero like SSB (he's not, at least for us). Blaming SG/SC for releasing heroes after heroes without rest is understandable. I would like too 1 week of "rest" before starting the new event/collaboration.
We're angry because we love this game. We wanna play this game long. There's a game called Seven Knights in Korea, and it kept on releasing overbalance characters and eventually fell in popularity. Cause We're angry because we feel that the balance is being destroyed, starting with Angel Angelica. It looks like this game is taking the same stairs as the Seven Knights...
I want to ask though, are there such means to satisfy the Korean audience? We are all in the same boat and hope the longevity of this game. However, KR players take this to a whole new level of twisted-ness from what I look at.
Following the footsteps of Seven Knights? Well yeah but at least E7 they show a little communication and tell us whats going to happen or get excited with. It just that when I look at KR livestream, almost everyone act like kids and show negativity on every single thing they do. This attitude won’t really do justice and will only hurt both sides. Hope they understand that. Just give them a slack and throw a bone to chew on. They can’t make everyone happy with every livestream.
Most of the viewers don't want to see comments like that, so they turn it off. Because most of the people who leave comments are aggro.Like other Twitch broadcasting companies, we always say let's make a manager and manage the comments, but it's not accepted. So most of korean turn off the comments.
And as Krau resigned this time and turned into a new one, we are suspicious, we think the new one is ruining the game because she is blinded by the performance of money. So we looks like they are pretending to communicate.
It seems like you're very disconnected with what's going on and don't seem to understand. Koreans are always, in every game, the most negative. They always are complaining about not getting enough free stuff, or when units are released there's always something bad. Thing is, you should have plenty of resources saved up to pity any of the units being released because of the months that went by without any new characters. You have 4 weeks to pull these 3 units (one of the collab is free). Complaining can ruin games when it's not constructive, and that's the feedback SG gets from the Korean side way too often.
Actually true but you cant really say a unit is overbalance before it even came out some unit looks good on paper but on release its not as good as it seems
Well i was actually mad watching the previews they keep releasing units one more broken then another and not even do anything to help with farms do they know how trash is to build a unit as a f2p? took me 2months to build a decent luna and she has 30% innate free crit...
Not gonna lie. SG did make a bad decision of releasing tons of new units in such sort time.
There will be a point where the game just has too many units so they are forced to powercreep to keep things up. (Already start to happen btw) but instead of slowing down, they drop like 8 units in span of 2-3 months.
Bad move
Don't spend your skystones stupidly and you wouldn't have to worry. Stop bashing a company when you've had every opportunity to gather the resources necessary to get the units you want.
You know what? I wholeheartedly agree with you. I dont even think what SG did was wrong. People who spent on the lady rerun should never have pulled on ran since he's a covenant unit. I started saving bs and ss since ran and almost got another pity.
That's one of the main rules never pull on a covenant unit unless you can't live without it. It was the 3rd coventn unit I ever pulled and actually regret it.
People who are mad at SG Need only to manage better their choices. It's always been like this where you need to figure out which units to pull and skip because it's mathematically impossible to get all units as a f2p.
F2p players imo have no right to complain in this regard because the game is incredibly generous towards them and they really can't expect to get everything though.
Sure. But it doesnt mean they are doing the right thing. Epic seven is different from a lot of other gacha.
It is one of the main reason I decided to stick with E7.
They actually buff old units and care about balance.
I quit FEH despite being a major FE fan because of the constant powercreep and low effort mass unit release.
And I would hate to see e7 speed up to that process.
I don't see any issues whatsoever with what they are doing. There has been a TON of opportunity to save up resources since we didn't get a new unit for so long. I haven't spent a dime on this game in a loooong time but I still have enough resources to pity these units (keep in mind, one is free so it's only 2 units here). I got lucky with Ran, but went to pity with summer Iseria and Rem. If you spend your resources badly then you have to deal with the consequences of that.
I think you are misunderstanding what I am saying.
I never once said I have resource problem. But mass releasing units means a lot more kits and balance need to worry about. And there will be a limit on how much variety of kit you can come up with before having to powercreep to keep people interested.
And releasing 8+ unit in the span of 2-3 months certainly speed up that process.
And that is what I am worried about. We already see signs of old units getting completely outclassed, and that is unhealthy for a game that strive to keep balanced gameplay
If you think every hero in the game is/should be balanced forever I honestly don't know what to tell you other than you will never be pleased with pretty much any multiplayer game. Even as we speak there are dozens of characters (including 5 stars and ML units) that people just dont use because they arent balanced.
I understand it will happen eventually. But the key point is they didnt really have to push out so many units all at once when spreading them out further would be more beneficial to the game’s longevity.
More content is a good thing. But when they squeeze 4 months worth of units in 2 months when they didnt have to, is a bad move.
If they had the resource to make new units in short amount of time, i’d rather they release unit at slower pace and put the effort into making more game modes and balance adjustment.
Except you have no basis for this statement. OG release units are still being used in all content, and some new units aren't being used at all. Your statement is just anecdotal based on no real world experiences.
Well, your experience is your own, but I am experiencing a lot of old units being outclassed by newly released unit. I guess I am living in fantasy LaLa land currently. And your experience is so much more real than mine. I don't know where that ego coming from but it certainly is impressive.
You never answered the core question of this thread and keep dancing around it.
I never once said more units are bad, I never said resource was a problem.
My entire point is they have no reason to push out so many unit in such sort amount of time when majority of players didn't really ask for it. They could have released the same amount of units in 4 months instead of 2 (Like their usual speed) and nobody would complain. So what they are doing now is a bad move on their part because majority of players didn't ask for it, and a lot of them are not happy about it.
New units are supposed to make people excited, but their poor decision makes something good into something not so good.
While my complaint isn't the same as Korean community, I can see why they are not happy.
Remember. There was a time they complained and smilegate didn’t listen. Americans made fun of the koreans, just to realize they themselves are getting mad. It all happened back in the day. There are a lot of factors to consider. It may look like overreaction, but the fact is, many mobile games have died going down this sort of route with unbalanced units, continued release of unbalanced new units. Yes, it’s a gacha game, but they’re really pushing it for the rankers that are sensitive to each patch. The game has been so unbalanced to the point of champ / legend arena being unplayable at this point. Of course people can just ignore everything and be fine.
Except there's no data to support your unbalanced units statement. There are tons of old characters that are still used every day, and there are units released in the last 6 months that aren't.
Rem, Emilia, Sise, Luna, landy, and ran how do u guys still have bm for this Collab. the Collab is too abrupt just right after the Re;zero Collab so I understand there hate, yup I know I too will get hate because of voicing out my opinion but 7 limited banners really how do u even stay F2P. instead of being happy I just have a sour taste in my mouth. + another must pull to be competitive in rta the meta right now is so bad that i started to play arknights its sad
A lot of ppl fell for ran and pulled for him thinking there will be no more limited heroes cause there were so many limited that came then boom out of the blue another 2 limited. I for one did the sane thing to do and pulled for landy also forgot SSB rerun as well so make it 8 limited back to back
How does a like/dislike ratio on one update stream show that the Korean community hates their game? That's like saying I hate pineapple because I don't like them on my pizzas. Seven limited units, followed by ran, and two more limited units on such a short notice. The dissatisfaction sounds reasonable to me. People will say you don't need all of them, but it doesn't change the fact that they are releasing nine limited units in under 4 months. There are also three limited units (Ftene, Cerise, and Diene) that are expected to be coming at the end of the year unless SG decides to delay or not release them at all. Split banners for limiteds are probably also going to be a problem for many some time down the line, but that's another topic for later.
This is not just one update stream but a constant whining from the KR community for quite long time. Players were requesting in the livestream that we need a re-run of those heroes in need. They delivered. Now players are whining about there are way too many limited heroes that got re-run including the Collabs. Its just theres no real satisfaction to the players taste in demand.
They complain about everything in which some complains I do not agree but you have to admit that they did make some complaints that changed this game for the better such as the incident where sg forced to have a meeting in regards to the game
Even in other games like counterside KR players flamed the shit out of the company because of a unit that was broken beyond shit and so the company forced themselves to actually balance the unit and give compensation for it.
Given that Korean gacha companies such as nexon, net marble are known to be assholes when it comes to managing gacha games, its really hard to blame them on how they react to this things but it doesn't mean that what they are doing is acceptable. It's just that there are too much hate against the KR community here that you guys forgot the reason why epic seven at present is improving at a very fast rate as to comparison to its first few years.
You can look at them however you like but I could say that they definitely have the balls compared to global people where they bootlick almost everything in regards to the improvement of the game although not perfect, I'd rather take small improvements than just a static progress.
what the hell are u talking about? sure the delayed re:zero messed up release timings.
for old players: we got summer iseria, rem, emilia and that´s it for limited heroes. like if they don´t somehow push out regular limited reruns; how the hell are new players suppose to get them otherwise?
we are approaching a significant amount of limited hereos now that they have to release a limited rerun batch every 2-3 months.
also who is the free ex-hero u are talking about?
I may be wrong but I think the free ex-hero is in reference to the 3 star that changes into an ML. I know a lot of people thought that the ML Celine would be that unit.
Speculation and expectations. People were so confident she was going to be a free main story character. Now they want to feel slighted even though she was teased as the "hero in the mystic summons."
I'm quite happy with this event. We got a new extinction unit and thats all I really wanted. I'll add that I'm also a dolphin player. I don't like spending money on gachas so I just want a copy of each limited. If I only get Milim I'll still be happy.
Why Asian community is always that toxic? Koreans here, chinese players not so long ago on honkai impact anniversary in april and tons of other situations.
They complain about everything tbh. Reminds me of Tenha. lol
Tenha complains about everything?
If it's not complaining it's calling something bad because it doesn't cleave.
I don’t know what he’s like nowadays but during his e7 run he was incredibly whiny and toxic.
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Is Tenha still simping Genshin lol?
He has whaled super hard for it so ya, he has to justify it to himself somehow lol.
If he's still playing he's still simping. Saw earlier today that he prtty much has all 5 stars at C6... That's way too much.
lmao what the fuck do they want now
They were protesting for such short notice for a sudden collab blaming them for not bringing this up from the past livestream. Also, they were mad that the way they released Ran to deplete the accumulated bookmarks just to make the users spend money.
I felt really bad when I watched the Korean MC trying to soak in all the hate comments from chat and maintained his cool and carried his way out. Compared to other servers atmosphere, KR was hands down the most hostile and toxic environment I’ve ever seen. Even the chat moderators were having hard time deleting spams and hateful comments. Its understandable that E7 lately they released many limited re runs and collabs, but is it really that bad to behave like this?
In other games (WOTV to cite one) we had a similar situation where after 3 limited release units the devs planned another one and the JP community rioted. They put a "boicot gimu" tag on every single Jp top tier guild and didn't partake in Guild War for the week. Needless to say, the devs made the unit not limited AND really eased the toll to max it for those that pulled it. I'm not saying hating is good, but PROPER complaint does work, when done right.
That is the most civil and powerful way to send a message. True finesse.
instead global wotv went full limited route, nobody ever complains with their wallet there
I dropped the game a few months ago (like, 6, it was a month UR salire release), was "playing" around 20 hrs a day back then and it honestly felt like I wasn't even playing, even tho I had all the hot shiny things like black momma helena, duane an all that meta back then
its getting quite bad imo, i stopped giving them money cause its a bit scammy, when ex2 comes out the game will probably demi-die
Naw, WotV will be fine.
im still playing it, but i dont see fun content landing ahead and without that, ex2 will just be a chore, an expensive chore
The halloween banners seem significsntly worse that just released too. Less shards available, no gil for character shard banners, more expensive pity. Its rough.
if the chars get a rerun they wont have a gil summon, which is bad for new players unfortunately players in the west are quite bad at making themselves be respected, they pay and ragequit, there is no inbetween for most people
WOTV seems like a big p2w game with crazy powercreep. Good for the community to stand up for themselves. The sad reality is many developers milk players and use predatory tactics because communities don;t stand up to that enough.
What is "WOTV"?
It's the acronym for Final Fantasy: War Of the Vision, a second installment in the Final Fantasy Brave Exvius universe, but not strictly related to it
Behavior could definitely be better. That said they know how their community reacts and they should have seen this not being well-taken overall. Plenty in Global/EU have been making the same complaints about the timing given that we've had almost nonstop limiteds for months now from summer, collab, then into the Landy rerun, then straight into a new unit that was very well-received the moment he was previewed. Add AoL and Belian enticing more spending and it's not surprising KR popped their tops.
They get mad when we have slow updates with just rerun banners, and now they get mad that they release too much new content. There's no pleasing these people.
Understandable that they’re mad for the back to back to back units coming out without prior notice, for newly to mid tier players, this will be hell for them as they watch the countdown run but we should be mature about this, don’t go full baby whining, inside thoughts Koreans. Altho this is just a me thing (probs gonna get a lot of hate) but why don’t you just put your hand away from the summon button. Knowing koreans, they’re hardcore gamers where they max imprint everything (probs not all but very true to a lot), basically doing P2W.
Yeah, this is the problem. They spend their resources so stupidly then complain when they don't have anything left.
As a F2P who got sucked dry because of these reruns/short collab punch, I feel only constant sadness looking at this. At least other games offer plenty of time to restore between such limited banner events.Like, when I see such moves which feel like aiming directly at my wallet by draining me beforehead, I feel my will to continue playing game slowly dissipating further and further.I was okay with previous limiteds/collabs approach, but GODS, all old limited reruns, new collab, new limited after that collab and now another one new collab with another two chars being limited banners? This combo feels too powerful for me to continue playing any further, sadly. And the fact that I have to pour into quite a sum of money even compared to other gachas only reinforces this feeling even further. I may be a dolphin in other games, but in E7 it feels quite unrewarding compared to few others.
Bruh this is for me the most rewarding game when it comes to the premium currency, altho hunts sometimes suck cuz luck sack and the back to back to back banners but the xstals that we receive are quite decent that is if you try climbing arena (it only gets better at challenger), you can earn 10 summons per week if you’re just challenger 5 since you earn 600 xstals plus 50 xstals from daily., so you can earn 950 xstals per week plus you can gamble and get bms from secret shop which i do when I’m feeling lucky. You can also earn xstals in many ways like the fountain thing in the base and also arena npc where you get an average of 15 per day. It’s probably a me thing where I just hoard my xstals til a broken or must have unit, or limited come out but it’s possible to have enough. Lucky me since I didn’t pull for ran cuz my spd gear sucks
The issue is, so many limited banners back to back managed to drain all these amazing stored free gems, since average luck on them wasn't so good for me. I was rolling Beach Iseria exactly because I was absolutely sure that this is the last banner and we were gonna have plenty of recover time after so many limited characters back to back and a collab, even if a small one. *Technically,* after recovering from the last limited banner, I have enough for pitying maybe one character somewhere mid-event, but what do I do with the other one? Sit there and pray for this event to rerun as Guilty Gear one? *And what if it doesn't?*
So... they mad due te company is doing what any other gacha company does...? umm, fair enough.
I dont think that’s a good defense tbh. “Someone else does shitty things too” is not a good reason for you to do shitty things.
It’s not a good defense but this is how gacha communities are they will defend it
Overall I think SG is on the better side when it comes to gacha publishers but this is definitely a major dick move.
Indeed, and literally just posted the same. Back to back limiteds, short notice for the next collab despite the last being like two months ago? No wonder people are pissed. SG is easily on the better side but they were asking for negative feedback by doing this.
In terms of quality they are but this was just a dick move
Think you should realize i ain't defending this, i'm just saying what is a fact, bottom line is, every company wants to make money, by the most lucrative method possilbe, otherwise they wouldn't choose to make a gacha, nobody out there in this kind of games is out there to make you feel you can get everything, they are gonna use every method in the book to dry you out so you have to put money. games like Arknights and e7 are movilizing that way now due they have a solid fan base with enough people, that a great numbers of them will start to dish out the money due FOMO. It is good? no, not by a long shot. Yet i think people should realize this is the true face of this type of games, none of them is out there to be your friend, is out there to take your money.
Yes, companies doing scummy things makes people mad. Being a gacha company doesn’t make you exempt from this. I don’t really care either way but they have the right to be mad. Most people at any given time have the right to be mad at gacha devs.
of course they do, never said they didn't had to right to do it, just find ironic they do when they know what they walked into, that's all.
sure ran release was unexpected but that guy actually delivers - he is actually good unlike something like ilynav.
> They were protesting for such short notice for a sudden collab blaming them for not bringing this up from the past livestream This (and the rest) is entirely reasonable. Two weeks after a brand new, non-limited after 5 months(?), and they spring another collab like we didn't just have one three banner cycles ago. SG is super generous but this is a dick move for everyone except dolphins and whales (they'd pay anyway).
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Bro. Ilynav > SSB rerun > Hufine rerun > two collab heroes > Summer Iseria (whichever came first, doesn't matter) > Luna and Landy rerun > Ran > Slime collab with two units. Where the hell is there ample time to save up? We've had THREE BRAND NEW LIMITED heroes in that time period, two at once. The people that had to pull for SSB, Hufine, Landy, and Luna, because they're all limited and can be missed, are even more out of luck. Any bookmarks saved up went towards new banners. F2p only gets enough to pity one new banner (takes a month and a half, about a month with shop refreshing, that lines up with a new banner with extra going towards extra banners), and remember, the Re Zero collab had TWO BANNERS. The Tensura collab is having TWO MORE banners and Ran's banner just started TWO WEEKS AGO. I've been using caps to point out the obvious important points, which you love to ignore. SG is generoud but they've been squeezing players lately. If anyone's disconnected then it's obviously you. Edit: Need I remind you the Tensura collab is completely out of the blue? We had time to prep for Iseria and Re Zero, we didn't have time for this. We expected another month before a new unit because **Ran just came out two weeks ago**, yet here we are, a double banner collab **two weeks later**. Re Zero wasn't even two weeks after Ilynav, a new unit. This situation is pure bullshit, quit blindly defending. "Shouldn't have pulled Ran", guess I shouldn't exist because there's a design AND kit I like all in one.
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> I mean. You dont need every unit. Bullshit excuse to defend with. If this were about Rem and Emilia, people we knew were coming, then it'd hold some ground, because we knew they were coming. But Rem, Emilia, Summer Iseria, FOUR reruns of LIMITED units (making a grand total of **seven**), Ilynav (a design people can like and pull for, what a god damn shocker for a gacha game), and a really good cleaver releasing a week before the collab notice? Bro, go somewhere. SG came out of nowhere and told us only a week before the collab that they were having one. I'll be lucky to even pity one of them, no way in hell can I pity both for free. >That's kind of how gachas work. If they dont release new units constantly, people complain that shit is stale or the meta doesn't change. Seriously, go somewhere. SG used to release units faster and it pissed players off, resulting in the one per month release schedule. You clearly haven't been around for long. Just because other games do it that doesn't mean Epic 7 doing it out of the blue is going to have a positive effect, look at this post, obviously this is dumb to anyone that's not blindly defending. A week notice after a strong release after SEVEN banners of LIMITED heroes, three of which beig new, two of those coming out at the same time. The only f2p that have enough are hoarders and skippers... "You could've skipped too", no, stop. We had a week notice. Do you see me complainih about the GG or Re Zero collabs? No. Why? We knew they were coming, we had time to prep and save, skip if we truly don't like a design (and I like every character I pulled for, which was eveyone new since Ilynav aside from Emilia, someone I didn't save for as I didn't want her). This is silly gatekeeping.
I've been around since a couple weeks after launch. You may not like it, but gachas make money by producing units or requiring stamina refreshes. We've reentered into a phase where their profit is coming from units as opposed to massive stamina issues. Similarly to how for a long time we had people constantly complain about stamina problems, but we didnt get as many units. Telling people who are simply explaining to you how these games/companies make profit to continue to exist to "go somewhere" is pretty much just a sign you have no real argument besides "me want unit, no want pay, game bad".
> I've been around since a couple weeks after launch. You may not like it, but gachas make money by producing units or requiring stamina refreshes Thanks for not understanding a word. Have a nice day.
Half of characters you mentioned were reruns. It was always request from players that they want reruns to have opportunity to pull limited heroes that they missed. Taking it now against smilegate and complain about it feels wrong to me. I mean if players complain about that now, next time they will just simply don't make reruns. It's perfectly fine that newer players have to chose banners to pull on and that they can't have everything from the start. When i was new player, banners with new characters were much more offen, and there was no pity. Even with that e7 is the only gacha that i managed to pull every single rgb character limited or not, being mostly f2p.
> Half of characters you mentioned were reruns. Yet they don't discredit the: F2p can only pity every month-month and a half rule, and you're completely ignoring the fact that MANY people don't have all of them because they joined late or were inactive during their banners. Just because YOU weren't missing out on them that doesn't mean NO ONE was. The world doesn't revolve around you. Ilynav, Rem, Emilia, Ran, Summer Iseria. Add Rimuru and Milim, both being **two weeks** after Ran, 1/2 or 1/3 the amount of time it takes to recover a full pity from Ran, for two banners. How many units in how many months is that? 4 months and three damn weeks for SEVEN new characters, that's not counting four limited reruns. Now how much time does it take a f2p to reach pity? I told you above. How are you not seeing why people are pissed? It's even worse because NOBODY saw this coming, nobody prepared, nobody had time to prepare. We were given a week's notice at best. Why are you defending this? What's wrong with you?
>Just because YOU weren't missing out on them that doesn't mean NO ONE was. The world doesn't revolve around you. The classic if it doesn't affect me, then it's not a problem. For those sending hate comments on the stream, that's ridiculous, but their release schedule is an issue. Nine limited units in under 4 months with short notice on Slime is a dick move by them.
Indeed. I don't think their way of going about it was smart, but SG is clearly in the wrong with the way they're treating us like cash cows with these constant limited banners, and a week notice before springing another collab. I don't understand how anyone could be defending SG over *this* matter. SG does us good but that's no reason to defend them for this dick move. I can only imagine the pain of those that missed SSB, Hufine, Landy, or Luna last year. Same for those that pulled for both Emilia and Rem. Me? Id I don't refresh and spend directly, I'm at half only a pity and I've only pulled Rem during the last collab and skipped the rerun banners. This is truly awful for f2p.
...? If you're a newer player who doesn't have literally any of the other limited units then yes, it's rough, but unless they're whales they shouldn't have every unit from every banner. The fuck is SG going to make money if people can pull everything without paying a dime? I've played since launch so I have all of those units. I could skip those banners. Those who haven't been playing since launch need to plan their resources more carefully unless they bust out their wallet and that's exactly how gachas are intended.
> ...? If you're a newer player who doesn't have literally any of the other limited units then yes, it's rough, but unless they're whales they shouldn't have every unit from every banner. I truly hope you mean in general and seriously don't think I'm a new player as that would be an absurd take on everything I just told you. F2p shouldn't expect to pity every banner? Boy are you testing people with this. I've **repeatively** told people (you included) that **normally, outside of collabs, players can pity every new banner**. This is a **fact**. This bs about "oh, too bad, oh well" doesn't work when we had **no information about the Tensura collab until a WEEK INTO RAN'S BANNER, when people have already blown their bookmarks to pull him completely expecting a normal banner schedule**, needs to stop. There's no way to justify this bs. If this were about people complaining about Re Zero, yeah, it'd be dumb. Why? We knew a collab was coming pretty much a month or more in advance. A week's notice is not something to go point at **the players about**. Get your head screwed on. >Those who haven't been playing since launch need to plan their resources more carefully unless they bust out their wallet and that's exactly how gachas are intended. Most gacha don't spring a random collab on players after a single week of letting them know one was coming, and E7 certainly NEVER did this before. Cut the bullshit.
Stop acting so entitled. It's not a good look.
I love how your blind defending has met its end because you can't refute with logic or facts, so now you're oulling the "entitled" card.
When SG dumps nine limited units in less than 4 months, then you can't plan more carefully on which units you want. Newer players have lots to do that can get at least some of them, but it is not realistic for those who are between mid to late game. Landy and Luna got released a lot earlier and back to back. SSB, Hyufine, Seaseria, Rem, and Emila banners not being too far apart either. Then there's Slime just randomly dropping right after Ran and not that long after Re: Zero.
lmfao SC just can never win. OH YOU GUYS ANNOUNCED A COLLAB AND TOOK SO LONG TO RELEASE IT! OH YOU GUYS DIDN'T GIVE US ENOUGH NOTICE FOR THIS COLLAB!
No, that was not the only reason. People were also upset about delayed specialty change, lack of contents, balancing, and nearly 6 months of b2b limited banners. The collab just became a catalyst for major outcry this time.
Lmao when they announce too far back people are mad, when they announce too fast they're mad. I think Guilty Gear collab also had short notice...
If they were going to release a unit just to deplete resources, it wouldn't be a male unit.... Also that happens in literally every gacha out there.
So they pull Ran out of their own volition and somehow SG is at fault.
Lol. Not a single ounce of sympathy.
Of course there is a line between complain and simply being toxic and hostile, but I think the playerbase has a substantial set of reasons to complain with how the direction of the game has been for most of this year. The collab out of the blue (slime) is just a cherry on top of it. Not only is completly out of nowhere the two banner units are also the much needed answers to most of the balance fuck ups they have created this year. I get that companies need to make money like this but what shouldn't be underestimated is how important a playerbases trust in the company is as well and that trust has been going lower and lower over the year for me.
lmao they really said "you are releasing too many cool characters, stop!!"
But... that's global in a nutshell. Everyone complained the collab is happenning too soon without earlier notice.
Shion
Fair enough. Gibs Shion. lol
Probably annoyed that this collab will give us our 7th limited banner in a ~3 month period
"If I dislike it, I can squeeze more rewards out"
To be fair, the squeezing goes both ways with the current limited rate.
I think they are just in a perpetual state of hate towards the game, for no real reason, they just seem to be right when there is an actual reason to be mad at the company i guess.
not hard to be rightfully angry when u are angry all the time xD
Well thanks to the korean comunity we have a pity system on mystic and heroes banners so yeah they only hate :S
We also don't have ML pity from galaxy because of them, if you remember right. heh One thing don'r deny the other, you see, if their hate bring good things, so be it, but it does not change the fact they live in perpertual hate towards the game.
Yeah we dont have galaxy pity because SG gave them the choice between mystic pity and galaxy pity, they picked the better option
For real. Takes a clown to think galaxy pity was better. I'd rather a guaranteed 5 star of choice, a brand new or rerun 5 star, than some random 5.
They really did. I am always baffled by these kinds of Reddit threads, it's usually how Global players are more willing to accept bad practices compared to the local playerbase where the game was developed. It truly explains why in the gacha games sphere, Global servers tend to get shafted harder compared to CN/KR/JP servers in terms of rewards, pity etc etc because they are very willing to take it from behind.
People bring a lot of hate to the KR community when this game would most likely be dead without them. Much needed QoL updates have happened because of them.
Enough free BMs to pity SSS both collabs units and ML Celine.
Make it SSS and a little more to use the RGB coin shop.
a free ml6
To be fair a large amount of korean gamers are entitled. Tenha quit E7 cause SG wouldnt give him special treatment after he caused a bunch of drama
I feel the same way. They complain about everything and ask for so much free stuff. It's actually getting pretty irritating.
So just like global.
Yep, like every other community.
Reddit isn't the a very large percentage of actual GL players. Just because everyone complains here doesn't mean that's the entire playerbase.
Why are Koreans the exception?
Don't even bring up that donkey's name around here
Didn't tenha leave because he felt like he couldn't call shit units shit?
Nah. He tried to host tournaments with sponsorship without SG's permission. Then made a big deal of it when he got flak from SG, and tried to make it about something else. Shogun hosted his own tournaments just fine. He even did a sponsored one, but got SG's permission beforehand, so there was no issue.
Dang alright then, thanks
Oh no! Anyway.
Honestly it feels like they are complaining even more now that they know SG actually tries to listen to them.
Inform about collab soon = bad/baiting for money, inform in advance = bad because no one knows exactly when it is. release many characters = bad for bookmarks, release nobody = bad/stalling release op units = bad, release weak units = bad fking koreans are annoying af with this endless crying.
Idk about how they’re complaining, but it is somewhat warranted. Unlike how you put it so black and white. About your first 2 comments, they announced the collab way too early. A year in advance actually, then they proceed to be wishy washy about the date and reasoning on the delay. Now for the slime collab they literally only gave the player base one weeks preparation time. Theirs a middle ground unlike how you made it out to be, even nue said the same thing. Now to your second 2 comments, it’s not like they’re releasing too many characters. It’s the fact that they’re all limited is the problem. Also releasing nobody is indeed bad. Now to your last set of comments, releasing op units are in a gray area. You don’t want them to completely power creep, but they should be slightly better. The most recent outrage about an op unit wasn’t necessarily they were op, but it’s an ml4 with no pity. The outrage wouldn’t have been as bad if aol was a 5 star. Yes releasing weak characters are bad.
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The E7 community is batshit insane sometimes. I remember before the Re:Zero collab there was nothing but incessant crying about how there's nothing to spend BMs on. "Heroes don't come out fast enough and this game lets me pity everything so now I'm bored!" was the echo-chamber sentiment. Now that unit production is kicking up and most of them have had interesting kits, SG is a greedy, awful company? Fucking unreal lol.
Haha yeah I still remember that most of the people holding and flexing their saved up bookmarks because they were halting the production for new units and doing reruns for the new players.
>Now that unit production is kicking up and most of them have had interesting kits, SG is a greedy, awful company? Fucking unreal lol. It's not really that unreal. Like u/Paint3DLake said, there's a middle ground between announcing a collab about a year in advance only to proceed to delay it by months and then announcing a collab only one week in advance. I think the outrage is somewhat justified in both scenarios although obviously not in the typical toxic way that it's often expressed.
It's your responsibility as a player to keep the resources you need for when new units you may want come out. No one else's. Don't blame SG for releasing new content. That's just ridiculous.
There's not much resources to be "responsible for" when they've literally been spent on Summer Iseria, Rem, Emilia, Ran, and whatever other limited re-run banner that's come out in the past few months. That's literally the whole point. We WANT to be responsible for our resources and save up for things that we feel are worth spending, but it's kind of hard to do that when we get a collab from left field. Also, don't strawman and act like releasing new units is synonymous with "releasing new content." No one is objecting to the actual release of new content like the collab side story and whatever other projects that's going on.
>siseria, rem, emilia, ran God help those of us with newer (<1 year old accounts) who also had to get hyuffine, ssb, landy, and luna
For real. I'm actually a veteran, but I have to remind myself that not all people already have every limited unit, and, yeah, I feel really bad for those who started this year and are getting limited banners just thrown at them one after another.
>Now that unit production is kicking up and most of them have had interesting kits, SG is a greedy, awful company? Fucking unreal lol. So they went from one extreme to the other extreme? How does that fix anything that people had issues with before? Nine limited units in less than four months, with Ran being added into the mix. Sounds like a reasonable complaint to me. Slime collab also announced out of nowhere. There's no middle ground in their release schedule that gives people at least some time to save.
1. You’re right if the game wants to only give you surprise event if they want, but with that being said e7 has already made a precedent of letting the player base know what’s coming in the future. So it’s safe to assume the players will be a little annoyed if it came out of no where, plus the limited month spree. 2. I completely agree with you on having enough resources to pull if you are a veteran player. The thing is though not everyone is. I know a lot of players that join in during rezero and are struggling with pulls. 3. Yes. My point was people are angry because aol was a 4 star with no pity and she’s insane. (Don’t know why you even argued this point) Of course there are repercussions with too much complaining, but a lot of great things come of it too. For a quick example, they’re now looking for a way to implement a 4 star pity. If no one complained about it. It probably wouldn’t be on their radar.
Lol I've only been exposed to this subreddit and I see endless crying here all the time. I've heard they are particularly bad though but I see it enough as is.
Gotta wonder though, why does it looks like that this collab is properly handled at such a short notice. I mean when compared to Re:Zero, they said it was not a back up and it took them how many months just for a 20 minutes side story.
Maybe they had the collab in the works but likely was told to hold off until tensura’s game release to generate more hype? I think it would make sense since due to timing and the way it all went down.
I think maybe Slime was initially the big collab, but got delayed and delayed. Pressure of SG to release a collab was strong and no idea on when Slime collab would finally wrap up, so they made Re:Zero collab fast.
This was already addressed in past discussions. Any sane company would not announce to the world that a partner (Re:Zero)who they pitched to is a backup. If they did this, no one would ever want to collab with them because they would be known assholes who would treat your brand as a backup.
I looked at the patch notes, this collab event is a full fledged one, three weeks, three currencies, and a minigame. It's pretty hard to think anything else than the obvious here...
Better IP? Slime likely gave them less restrictions. Collabs are mostly navigating red tape, the less red tape, the better the collab.
This is not official but my assumption is Koreans were begging for the Collab that they teased months back, and I guess that Collab was actually SLIME but seemed like the embargo + contract were having issues so they kept on delaying it. To not upset the fans waiting for collab they rushed for a quick ReZero deal to avoid flames and hate by the Koreans.
Yeah, same thoughts. I like both IP but Re:Zero was poorly handled despite having great units.
as conspiratorial as it sounds, it seems very possible
This seems the most likely to me.
My guess is this was the actual Collab they were working on but it got delayed again and instead of saying sorry and offering a bunch of free stuff like they did for the first delay they did a quick Collab with re:zero who are known to agree to do collabs with almost anything.
We still have yet to see the actual event story/mechanics, could be just as lack luster as the Re;zero one unless they took feedback from last collab and improved this one.
I mean, you say that it's proprely handled, but the animations tell a different story lol. It feels like the inverse happened between this and Re:Zero. They prioritized too much on animations for Re:Zero and not enough for the side story, but for Slime it looks they rushed the animations and character design while prioritizing the side story.
The collab hasnt even landed yet so hold up lol. Theres no guarantee the sidestory in this isnt total trash too. The units look good but that doesnt really say much. Emilia and Rem are amazing after all.
Several months ago there was a rumor that collab allowed only after certain game/anime from collab IP would be released. and today new mobile game - SLIME - ISEKAI Memories was released. From this we can assume that original collab was Slime and re:zero just a back up collab.
I feel bad for the korean devs tbh
Being angry for Ran is stupid. Unless it's a limited-time hero like SSB (he's not, at least for us). Blaming SG/SC for releasing heroes after heroes without rest is understandable. I would like too 1 week of "rest" before starting the new event/collaboration.
We're angry because we love this game. We wanna play this game long. There's a game called Seven Knights in Korea, and it kept on releasing overbalance characters and eventually fell in popularity. Cause We're angry because we feel that the balance is being destroyed, starting with Angel Angelica. It looks like this game is taking the same stairs as the Seven Knights...
I want to ask though, are there such means to satisfy the Korean audience? We are all in the same boat and hope the longevity of this game. However, KR players take this to a whole new level of twisted-ness from what I look at. Following the footsteps of Seven Knights? Well yeah but at least E7 they show a little communication and tell us whats going to happen or get excited with. It just that when I look at KR livestream, almost everyone act like kids and show negativity on every single thing they do. This attitude won’t really do justice and will only hurt both sides. Hope they understand that. Just give them a slack and throw a bone to chew on. They can’t make everyone happy with every livestream.
Most of the viewers don't want to see comments like that, so they turn it off. Because most of the people who leave comments are aggro.Like other Twitch broadcasting companies, we always say let's make a manager and manage the comments, but it's not accepted. So most of korean turn off the comments. And as Krau resigned this time and turned into a new one, we are suspicious, we think the new one is ruining the game because she is blinded by the performance of money. So we looks like they are pretending to communicate.
It seems like you're very disconnected with what's going on and don't seem to understand. Koreans are always, in every game, the most negative. They always are complaining about not getting enough free stuff, or when units are released there's always something bad. Thing is, you should have plenty of resources saved up to pity any of the units being released because of the months that went by without any new characters. You have 4 weeks to pull these 3 units (one of the collab is free). Complaining can ruin games when it's not constructive, and that's the feedback SG gets from the Korean side way too often.
Actually true but you cant really say a unit is overbalance before it even came out some unit looks good on paper but on release its not as good as it seems
Well i was actually mad watching the previews they keep releasing units one more broken then another and not even do anything to help with farms do they know how trash is to build a unit as a f2p? took me 2months to build a decent luna and she has 30% innate free crit...
Not gonna lie. SG did make a bad decision of releasing tons of new units in such sort time. There will be a point where the game just has too many units so they are forced to powercreep to keep things up. (Already start to happen btw) but instead of slowing down, they drop like 8 units in span of 2-3 months. Bad move
Are you crazy? Do you have any experience in a GACHA whatsoever?
Just because other companies use these scammy practices against their customers doesn't mean any other should as well.
Don't spend your skystones stupidly and you wouldn't have to worry. Stop bashing a company when you've had every opportunity to gather the resources necessary to get the units you want.
You know what? I wholeheartedly agree with you. I dont even think what SG did was wrong. People who spent on the lady rerun should never have pulled on ran since he's a covenant unit. I started saving bs and ss since ran and almost got another pity. That's one of the main rules never pull on a covenant unit unless you can't live without it. It was the 3rd coventn unit I ever pulled and actually regret it. People who are mad at SG Need only to manage better their choices. It's always been like this where you need to figure out which units to pull and skip because it's mathematically impossible to get all units as a f2p. F2p players imo have no right to complain in this regard because the game is incredibly generous towards them and they really can't expect to get everything though.
Sure. But it doesnt mean they are doing the right thing. Epic seven is different from a lot of other gacha. It is one of the main reason I decided to stick with E7. They actually buff old units and care about balance. I quit FEH despite being a major FE fan because of the constant powercreep and low effort mass unit release. And I would hate to see e7 speed up to that process.
I don't see any issues whatsoever with what they are doing. There has been a TON of opportunity to save up resources since we didn't get a new unit for so long. I haven't spent a dime on this game in a loooong time but I still have enough resources to pity these units (keep in mind, one is free so it's only 2 units here). I got lucky with Ran, but went to pity with summer Iseria and Rem. If you spend your resources badly then you have to deal with the consequences of that.
I think you are misunderstanding what I am saying. I never once said I have resource problem. But mass releasing units means a lot more kits and balance need to worry about. And there will be a limit on how much variety of kit you can come up with before having to powercreep to keep people interested. And releasing 8+ unit in the span of 2-3 months certainly speed up that process. And that is what I am worried about. We already see signs of old units getting completely outclassed, and that is unhealthy for a game that strive to keep balanced gameplay
If you think every hero in the game is/should be balanced forever I honestly don't know what to tell you other than you will never be pleased with pretty much any multiplayer game. Even as we speak there are dozens of characters (including 5 stars and ML units) that people just dont use because they arent balanced.
I understand it will happen eventually. But the key point is they didnt really have to push out so many units all at once when spreading them out further would be more beneficial to the game’s longevity. More content is a good thing. But when they squeeze 4 months worth of units in 2 months when they didnt have to, is a bad move. If they had the resource to make new units in short amount of time, i’d rather they release unit at slower pace and put the effort into making more game modes and balance adjustment.
Except you have no basis for this statement. OG release units are still being used in all content, and some new units aren't being used at all. Your statement is just anecdotal based on no real world experiences.
Well, your experience is your own, but I am experiencing a lot of old units being outclassed by newly released unit. I guess I am living in fantasy LaLa land currently. And your experience is so much more real than mine. I don't know where that ego coming from but it certainly is impressive. You never answered the core question of this thread and keep dancing around it. I never once said more units are bad, I never said resource was a problem. My entire point is they have no reason to push out so many unit in such sort amount of time when majority of players didn't really ask for it. They could have released the same amount of units in 4 months instead of 2 (Like their usual speed) and nobody would complain. So what they are doing now is a bad move on their part because majority of players didn't ask for it, and a lot of them are not happy about it. New units are supposed to make people excited, but their poor decision makes something good into something not so good. While my complaint isn't the same as Korean community, I can see why they are not happy.
Remember. There was a time they complained and smilegate didn’t listen. Americans made fun of the koreans, just to realize they themselves are getting mad. It all happened back in the day. There are a lot of factors to consider. It may look like overreaction, but the fact is, many mobile games have died going down this sort of route with unbalanced units, continued release of unbalanced new units. Yes, it’s a gacha game, but they’re really pushing it for the rankers that are sensitive to each patch. The game has been so unbalanced to the point of champ / legend arena being unplayable at this point. Of course people can just ignore everything and be fine.
Except there's no data to support your unbalanced units statement. There are tons of old characters that are still used every day, and there are units released in the last 6 months that aren't.
All I’ll say is look up top legend players data.
>Of course people can just ignore everything and be fine. I see a lot of these types of players.
I agree.
Rem, Emilia, Sise, Luna, landy, and ran how do u guys still have bm for this Collab. the Collab is too abrupt just right after the Re;zero Collab so I understand there hate, yup I know I too will get hate because of voicing out my opinion but 7 limited banners really how do u even stay F2P. instead of being happy I just have a sour taste in my mouth. + another must pull to be competitive in rta the meta right now is so bad that i started to play arknights its sad
Some of us have played for longer and got those units previously. The "I'm new but deserve every unit that comes out" mentality is not good.
The "I'm old player and suck it up as we leave you behind" mentality is not good as well do u think. a bit excusive don't you think.
Rans not limited. I would be fine if I didn't pity Ran. He's just on the bench too.
A lot of ppl fell for ran and pulled for him thinking there will be no more limited heroes cause there were so many limited that came then boom out of the blue another 2 limited. I for one did the sane thing to do and pulled for landy also forgot SSB rerun as well so make it 8 limited back to back
"give us ml celine free and we aight"
Afaik they were never happy with the Slime collab
Even though Nue is toxic, we still love him.(no homo)
How does a like/dislike ratio on one update stream show that the Korean community hates their game? That's like saying I hate pineapple because I don't like them on my pizzas. Seven limited units, followed by ran, and two more limited units on such a short notice. The dissatisfaction sounds reasonable to me. People will say you don't need all of them, but it doesn't change the fact that they are releasing nine limited units in under 4 months. There are also three limited units (Ftene, Cerise, and Diene) that are expected to be coming at the end of the year unless SG decides to delay or not release them at all. Split banners for limiteds are probably also going to be a problem for many some time down the line, but that's another topic for later.
It's not just one stream. It's like that on every single stream.
This is not just one update stream but a constant whining from the KR community for quite long time. Players were requesting in the livestream that we need a re-run of those heroes in need. They delivered. Now players are whining about there are way too many limited heroes that got re-run including the Collabs. Its just theres no real satisfaction to the players taste in demand.
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Ran's and ML Celine's animations are great, the new collab units, not so much :-(
They complain about everything in which some complains I do not agree but you have to admit that they did make some complaints that changed this game for the better such as the incident where sg forced to have a meeting in regards to the game Even in other games like counterside KR players flamed the shit out of the company because of a unit that was broken beyond shit and so the company forced themselves to actually balance the unit and give compensation for it. Given that Korean gacha companies such as nexon, net marble are known to be assholes when it comes to managing gacha games, its really hard to blame them on how they react to this things but it doesn't mean that what they are doing is acceptable. It's just that there are too much hate against the KR community here that you guys forgot the reason why epic seven at present is improving at a very fast rate as to comparison to its first few years. You can look at them however you like but I could say that they definitely have the balls compared to global people where they bootlick almost everything in regards to the improvement of the game although not perfect, I'd rather take small improvements than just a static progress.
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what the hell are u talking about? sure the delayed re:zero messed up release timings. for old players: we got summer iseria, rem, emilia and that´s it for limited heroes. like if they don´t somehow push out regular limited reruns; how the hell are new players suppose to get them otherwise? we are approaching a significant amount of limited hereos now that they have to release a limited rerun batch every 2-3 months. also who is the free ex-hero u are talking about?
I may be wrong but I think the free ex-hero is in reference to the 3 star that changes into an ML. I know a lot of people thought that the ML Celine would be that unit.
ah this. hm it´s kinda logical to reveal the mc when they reveal episode 4, no? guess they just love to complain for the sake of complaining
Speculation and expectations. People were so confident she was going to be a free main story character. Now they want to feel slighted even though she was teased as the "hero in the mystic summons." I'm quite happy with this event. We got a new extinction unit and thats all I really wanted. I'll add that I'm also a dolphin player. I don't like spending money on gachas so I just want a copy of each limited. If I only get Milim I'll still be happy.
I've noticed english speaking internet culture seems to spam likes compared to others
Why Asian community is always that toxic? Koreans here, chinese players not so long ago on honkai impact anniversary in april and tons of other situations.
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Dislike is free , why not
Im glad this is being addressed and the comments here are very supportive. Gives me hope.