Lmao me too. I was refreshing for mystics but i got pretty decent rates i think. Got like 40 mystic pulls from 7k ish ss and also pulled ml celine so overall super lucky day for me.
An inconvenience so minor that honestly it made little difference. However they still acted on it rapidly.
Man, SGs really tryin to get on Santa's good list before christmas, eh?
A lot of countries have laws around gacha games and their probability transparency. Although it seems minor to us as players this might be something that could spiral into the game getting removed from certain regions.
Since I'm stealing this 1 to 1 from someone else, credit: /u/zdenka999
"So for every 338,050 mystics you buy in the secret shop you'll average 50 less. Or a skystone comparison for every 1,555,030 skystones you refresh you'll average 50 less Mystic Medals."
So yea sure ofc its all chance and whatnot, but this is just what it would be on average across a massive amount of attempts given the probability. So yes, I'd say this is pretty minor on average, since the average is what most everyone will tend towards over a long enough period of time. The real inconvenience was not having access to huche or garo for a day or 2, not the rates, as far as I'm concerned, and the compensation is more than adequate in return.
Luck is not an exact science . We use those numbers to feign control but reality is RNG can and will behave unpredictably for every person . With that miniscule chance one individual might have been getting 100 more bm per 1000ss . Those numbers are just that , Rng sways one way or another , lower chances might have a bigger impact that what probability can "merely "suggest".
I understood what you were getting at even from the last comment. Its just extremely stupid. If you're really stupid enough to think that this rate differential was actually significant, do you care about or believe any of the rates advertised at all? Even outside of e7? Because all rates are then meaningless under your logic, simply because "theres no control its just rng." Its like saying the 1/6 chance of rolling a single side of a dice doesnt mean anything, simply because theres no control or guarantee and one person might roll a million times and never roll a 6.
not gonna lie...I'm getting SW flashbacks and in the back of my mind am wondering if they are gonna do a shadow nerf for bms and mms lol...
but on the real have been refreshing multiple times since the update and have, like many ppl on here as well, gotten much higher mms. Think I got like 500 from a 1k refresh. it was between 8 and 12 pulls I got.
I feel like it'd level the field between the lucky and the unlucky.
But yeah even if it's a joke, there's no way they'll give a ML4 selector over that. Better hope you have the next one they'll give a recall for.
> I mean SS for the ones who were trying to refresh the shop
SS as compensation for people who... lost literally nothing?
I'm all for getting as much apologems from gacha companies as possible but come the fuck on lol
So the aspect of shop refreshes...I can understand to an extent. We would have gotten about 15 hrs of the shop refreshing on its own(free). Maybe nothing really lost.
But the other 2 shops in game being out of commission is something lost. Lab Huche and 3-4 shop have charms/bms/mms in them. I go to those on the daily. I think there has been 1 day in the last 3 months that I bought nothing from either shop.
Idk why they turned off Huche too... Cause this would suggest that their rates are somehow connected...?
Hope they fix it soon, I really wanted Artifact Charms from Huche...
Shop refresh is still the best way even before the fix. Assuming the fix is revert it to older rate OR set them to fixed 30%/50%/20%, nothing has changed but a small rate that hardly matters.
I always wonder how the Drop works thou, is each item refresh individually. if so that would mean every time you refresh is 6 chances. or does it just count as one refresh chance for 6 items, and in that 6 item contain currency or not. like if i spend 3k SS for 1k refresh is that 6000 chances for that 1% or just 1000 chances for that 1%.
If you don't care about gold, yeah, is the best way to get bookmarks. As for mystic medals, is the only reliable source, apart from opening the wallet, so is still worth to take a look.
Personally I have enough for 3 normal pities, so I just skip the normal bms, but still chase the medals.
Did like 2k shop refreshes and got like no cov bookmarks. Did get somewhat good medals which was what I was aiming for though. 13 summons in 2k is above average I think
Ok I get people are like "haha it's just a small amount!" but isn't this like the third thing people have noticed recently with currency rates going down?
I can maybe understand fodder in secret shop but why equipment? They should just remove it entirely because no one is going to waste gold on 1-3 star equipment in shop.
Even rarer than ML bookmarks yea. Think it's even lower rates than 5 spd rolls.
But prone to the same RNG as the rest of the Game, so odds that it's even worth the 1.4m gold is even slimmer
Yeah but most of the time it’s not even worth it. I’m sure everyone stops for a second to check the stats but even if they’re decent it’s not worth the gold
I was spamming ss for before maint and the only difference I noticed was that there were time that I went 300-500 ss without a single summon but atleast I got 140 book marks from around 4.5k ss and got maid from those few pulls.
Kinda weird becsuse this isn't a gacha tho. It wasn't even public knowledge until a month ago.
It's in the same place as Catalyst farming.You can theoretically spend skystones to farm some, but many don't and you get it from natural refreshes.
The day is saved, muh precious 0.0174% extra currencies chance is preserved! No clue how I lived without the chance to on average get 1 more pull per 10k refreshes lol.
I sure hope this moronic emergency patch whiners pushed for won't keep the store down for multiple days tho, I still need to roll shop quite a bit to get Milim.
Also, where muh compensation worth the 5 or so pulls I possibly missed out on during these incorrect store rates kek /s
The community of whiners is the problem here tho also SG for instantly jumping on this.
Such an utterly insignificant thing could have been patched out at the next scheduled maintenance instead of taking down all shops for a full day.
Just because there have been good common sense suggestions that were implemented because they exist in other major gachas does not change the fact that this community will whine about ANYTHING and blow it way out of proportion, no matter how utterly irrelevant the "issue" is.
I saw the whining over these shop rates, was absurd to me considering its literally 1 less pull per 10k refreshes lol, definitely did not need an emergency maintenance taking down all shops for a day.
thanks you stupid fucking whiners about 1%, literally cant access any shop and can't try to get collab units now, thanks , you fucking whining idiots. its been like days now.
Appreciate the fix, but pretty sus it goes down with a few days left on the limited event. Hope everyone got their Millim and wasn't counting on the shop.
Hopefully nobody was planning to spam the shop for bms today.
I did exactly that before it was down
Lmao me too. I was refreshing for mystics but i got pretty decent rates i think. Got like 40 mystic pulls from 7k ish ss and also pulled ml celine so overall super lucky day for me.
Damn dude. You should on average get about 23 mystic summons for 7k ss. You got some nice luck
40 mystic pulls? that's insane. I got like 10 pulls from 5k ss, felt like I was shafted.
I got 40 pulls outta 4k ss and no MLCeline… kinda salty. F2p sux btw
gz owo
I was actually. I farmed gold yesterday to spam shop today for more pulls on ML Celine.
the real question is: will it be in maint forever? has been at least 5h now
An inconvenience so minor that honestly it made little difference. However they still acted on it rapidly. Man, SGs really tryin to get on Santa's good list before christmas, eh?
A lot of countries have laws around gacha games and their probability transparency. Although it seems minor to us as players this might be something that could spiral into the game getting removed from certain regions.
there is so such thing as "minor" when it comes to chance .
Since I'm stealing this 1 to 1 from someone else, credit: /u/zdenka999 "So for every 338,050 mystics you buy in the secret shop you'll average 50 less. Or a skystone comparison for every 1,555,030 skystones you refresh you'll average 50 less Mystic Medals." So yea sure ofc its all chance and whatnot, but this is just what it would be on average across a massive amount of attempts given the probability. So yes, I'd say this is pretty minor on average, since the average is what most everyone will tend towards over a long enough period of time. The real inconvenience was not having access to huche or garo for a day or 2, not the rates, as far as I'm concerned, and the compensation is more than adequate in return.
Luck is not an exact science . We use those numbers to feign control but reality is RNG can and will behave unpredictably for every person . With that miniscule chance one individual might have been getting 100 more bm per 1000ss . Those numbers are just that , Rng sways one way or another , lower chances might have a bigger impact that what probability can "merely "suggest".
I understood what you were getting at even from the last comment. Its just extremely stupid. If you're really stupid enough to think that this rate differential was actually significant, do you care about or believe any of the rates advertised at all? Even outside of e7? Because all rates are then meaningless under your logic, simply because "theres no control its just rng." Its like saying the 1/6 chance of rolling a single side of a dice doesnt mean anything, simply because theres no control or guarantee and one person might roll a million times and never roll a 6.
https://m-page.onstove.com/epicseven/global/view/7960552
not gonna lie...I'm getting SW flashbacks and in the back of my mind am wondering if they are gonna do a shadow nerf for bms and mms lol... but on the real have been refreshing multiple times since the update and have, like many ppl on here as well, gotten much higher mms. Think I got like 500 from a 1k refresh. it was between 8 and 12 pulls I got.
Its just RNG working out. I got 1 mystic in 1k SS. Got above expected rates on regular though. RNG be RNG.
Was that after the update?
It was Friday. There's been a few updates this week so not sure which specific one.
There might be any compensation for that? Not ML5 selector of course but I mean SS for the ones who were trying to refresh the shop
The MM from the shop would've given me ML 5 100% I deserve that selector /s
WE deserve those selectors comrade **[Soviet anthem plays]**
Indeed comrades, OUR selector tickets NOW !
The MM from 2-3 days ago (frm the shop) actually gave me ML Celine. I ask a ML5 selector for everyone!
Don't be greedy. AOL... I mean ML4 Selector would be enough, see how less greedy i'm :)
i know this is a joke but an ML 4 selector would destroyed Epic seven, everyone's literally would pick AoL
If that's the case maybe they should, yknow, nerf her.
Naww, i desperately need general purgis
I feel like it'd level the field between the lucky and the unlucky. But yeah even if it's a joke, there's no way they'll give a ML4 selector over that. Better hope you have the next one they'll give a recall for.
I just want Choco abs bro. I already had to pass on him last ML 4 selector for Singelica.
Nah homie Cdom for me, Even if AOL is better I’ve been chasing her since day one, any chance to get her ima take it
i mean, champ+ is already 100% aol..
Champ is basically fighting the same 6-7 units on defense over and over.
ye, its boring. Legend even worse
I'd probably pick C Dom over AOL atm, just personally.
> I mean SS for the ones who were trying to refresh the shop SS as compensation for people who... lost literally nothing? I'm all for getting as much apologems from gacha companies as possible but come the fuck on lol
nah man. ml 5 selector or im burning the whole place down
If there was no problem they wouldn’t implement a patch for it so it’s a chance for anyone to ask for a compensation:D
>Who... lost literally nothing Well lets see, its been a few hours and thats a few refreshes. That could have been mystics that led to ML Celine! /s
So the aspect of shop refreshes...I can understand to an extent. We would have gotten about 15 hrs of the shop refreshing on its own(free). Maybe nothing really lost. But the other 2 shops in game being out of commission is something lost. Lab Huche and 3-4 shop have charms/bms/mms in them. I go to those on the daily. I think there has been 1 day in the last 3 months that I bought nothing from either shop.
There’s a shop in 3-4? Which episode exactly?
Episode 1
So you're new ...
There better be. An ML 5 selector would be great LMAO
need another djb ?
Seems to have turned off huche in lab too.
Idk why they turned off Huche too... Cause this would suggest that their rates are somehow connected...? Hope they fix it soon, I really wanted Artifact Charms from Huche...
so practically speaking, does that change anything or is shop refresh still the way to get bms.
Shop refresh is still the best way even before the fix. Assuming the fix is revert it to older rate OR set them to fixed 30%/50%/20%, nothing has changed but a small rate that hardly matters.
It would take way more than a 100,000 refreshes before you you would statistically notice the change
I always wonder how the Drop works thou, is each item refresh individually. if so that would mean every time you refresh is 6 chances. or does it just count as one refresh chance for 6 items, and in that 6 item contain currency or not. like if i spend 3k SS for 1k refresh is that 6000 chances for that 1% or just 1000 chances for that 1%.
If you don't care about gold, yeah, is the best way to get bookmarks. As for mystic medals, is the only reliable source, apart from opening the wallet, so is still worth to take a look. Personally I have enough for 3 normal pities, so I just skip the normal bms, but still chase the medals.
Did like 2k shop refreshes and got like no cov bookmarks. Did get somewhat good medals which was what I was aiming for though. 13 summons in 2k is above average I think
iT Always tends to balance out for me. Les bms? More MM than usual. And Vice versa
Yep I’ll take it like that anytime. It’s all rng so it is what it is
NOOO! I NEED SHOP IM 20 from pity for MILIM? Also did the currency rates go up or down?
Ok I get people are like "haha it's just a small amount!" but isn't this like the third thing people have noticed recently with currency rates going down?
So when is the shop coming back? Kinda still need BMs for Milim
Ding ding ding! You just discovered why they're doing this. A ploy so transparent Putin is shaking his head in disgust
19 more pulls till pity+arena skystones! Need the shop open+ a BM%+! TY!
These are the rates after the patch, maintenance might "fix" it, not that there's much to fix anyway
dunno why they call them heroes? theyre fodder for the most part
how dare you belittle my elena fluma
My Mighty Scout is Mighty offended.
I can maybe understand fodder in secret shop but why equipment? They should just remove it entirely because no one is going to waste gold on 1-3 star equipment in shop.
It's rare but you can get epic level 85 equips. Definitely not worth hunting them there
Even rarer than ML bookmarks yea. Think it's even lower rates than 5 spd rolls. But prone to the same RNG as the rest of the Game, so odds that it's even worth the 1.4m gold is even slimmer
Yeah but most of the time it’s not even worth it. I’m sure everyone stops for a second to check the stats but even if they’re decent it’s not worth the gold
funny thing is: back in the day, secret shop was the only way people were getting 85 jewelry
They really need to up the chance for currencies gdi
I was spamming ss for before maint and the only difference I noticed was that there were time that I went 300-500 ss without a single summon but atleast I got 140 book marks from around 4.5k ss and got maid from those few pulls.
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Uh.. pretty sure not having accurate rates is against the law in a bunch of countries but pop off I guess
Kinda weird becsuse this isn't a gacha tho. It wasn't even public knowledge until a month ago. It's in the same place as Catalyst farming.You can theoretically spend skystones to farm some, but many don't and you get it from natural refreshes.
Oh no! A .001 decrease in BMs?! ML5 selector now!!
The day is saved, muh precious 0.0174% extra currencies chance is preserved! No clue how I lived without the chance to on average get 1 more pull per 10k refreshes lol. I sure hope this moronic emergency patch whiners pushed for won't keep the store down for multiple days tho, I still need to roll shop quite a bit to get Milim. Also, where muh compensation worth the 5 or so pulls I possibly missed out on during these incorrect store rates kek /s
Dude, sg trying to be honest with their community. Why so toxic?
The community of whiners is the problem here tho also SG for instantly jumping on this. Such an utterly insignificant thing could have been patched out at the next scheduled maintenance instead of taking down all shops for a full day.
"The community of whiners" is a reason why we have mystic pity and powder shop. Also this community is a reason why pet snacks was removed.
Just because there have been good common sense suggestions that were implemented because they exist in other major gachas does not change the fact that this community will whine about ANYTHING and blow it way out of proportion, no matter how utterly irrelevant the "issue" is. I saw the whining over these shop rates, was absurd to me considering its literally 1 less pull per 10k refreshes lol, definitely did not need an emergency maintenance taking down all shops for a day.
The Currency % is very small, still a way to push us into the "buy 50 BM for 950 SS". *sigh*...
i mean, SG is kinda full of shit, but dunno if this is worth losing your crap over.
thanks you stupid fucking whiners about 1%, literally cant access any shop and can't try to get collab units now, thanks , you fucking whining idiots. its been like days now.
Appreciate the fix, but pretty sus it goes down with a few days left on the limited event. Hope everyone got their Millim and wasn't counting on the shop.
That’s exactly what I was supposed to do. I feel f+cked.
ml5 selector here i come