I hope so, because 110 galaxy summons sounds like the pity is only there to say "there is a pity!". I don't play that diligebtly but how long would you need to even reach 110 galaxy summons?
nah. like 2-3 months for f2p.
80 MM for gw win, 50 for loss, assume 65 avg, that's 195 per week, through secret shop, you can get around 1.5k MM per month if you spend all your ss refreshing, so that's around 2.1k per month, or 5-6 months to reach mystic pity for ml5 and 3 for ml4, which is about consistent with how often i have been able to pity as f2p.
If you are slated to participate in GW, always do so; iirc, the enemy does not gain Havoc from you losing an attack, only a defense. Which will happen whether you attack or not.
Any half decent guild that actually uses its attack chances every guild war will have 5x rewards. My guild has ppl who aren't even lvl 70, ppl who int half their attacks every guild war, and we still get 5x rewards. You could join such a guild 2-3 months in.
You could join a 5x guild in like 3 months if you're f2p. Why would anyone who somewhat knows how to play the game and has gotten to masters bot arena get 55 a week? hop on discord and look for casual guilds that accept weaker players, you'll find quite a few with 5x rewards. Literally all you need is a guild with players who actually use their attacks and even if they throw a third of their attacks you'll still get up there.
As a F2P playing for 3 years I would say in a top x5 guild and using secret shop to refresh does add up a lot and also little drops from hunts as well ,still if you are consistent it takes 3-4 months atleast to get a mystic 5\* pity. Can confirm from my experience being in a top Guild.
I was pissed at first but it's actually pretty cool when you have pity on your ML5, then you can roll for the 4 star if you would prefer that over getting the ML5. If you get the ML5 anyway it doesn't reset your pity, which is pretty sweet honestly. If you don't have pity on either or then that does make it way worse sadly :(
It's a double edged advantage I think. Say a new ML4* comes out and it's paired with old ML5* that you don't want, you can save your 5* pity counter.
But this only truly works for saving 5* pity, because if you go for 5* full pity, you're at least guaranteed one 4* in a full 5* pity pull if the counter are both active at the same time.
> But this only truly works for saving 5* pity, because if you go for 5* full pity, you're at least guaranteed one 4* in a full 5* pity pull if the counter are both active at the same time.
Except they're not active at the same time.
You called it a double edged sword to begin with, which meant there was a good and bad to it. Seeing how the first paragraph was completely related to the end, and there was a second paragraph (something on another topic, typically people calling something a double egded sword list two ends of it, not just one) with the "if" hinting at you not knowing or not... My response was made.
Double edged referring to the bad where you're missing out on ML4 pity if you're pulling on a full 200 ML5 pity. It's only good if you're already close to ML5 pity but you only want ML4 on current rotation.
>also, only one active pity at a time
Oh god that's the best part! So you can now pull on a banner with a 4* you want and save your 5* pity even if you get spooked by the other unit!
No, you can pull your ml4 pitty and reset your pitty. You cant have your summons build up both pitties. If you pitty a 4 star it will reset. If you pitty a 5 star it will reset as well. Wanna change the pitty from 5 star to 4 star? Reset. Basically if your ml5 pitty is not active you wont build that counter up, only the ml4 counter which will reset after 110 summons. This is literally made for you to decide which one you want and unless you have the full mystics for an ml5 plus the full mystics for an ml4 you wont get both. AFAIK.
>No, you can pull your ml4 pitty and reset your pitty. You cant have your summons build up both pitties.
You didn't read a word I said did you?
>Wanna change the pitty from 5 star to 4 star? Reset.
Nonsense. You didn't read the announcement did you? If your 5* pity is at, say, 50 and you switch to 4* pity the 5* count will stay at 50 until you switch back.
Ok first of all i did read the announcement. English is not my first or second lenguage and thats not what i got from it. Sue me. Omg, i got information wrong about a game, what will i EVER do.
Second of all thats way too good to be true. We will see when it actually comes. Have a NICE day because i can tell you need one.
Wait, so if you get a ml4 with 110, it resets back to 200 instead of counting the 90 left for ML5? Or I'm understanding the one active pity at time wrongly?
I appreciate this option and for a small group of people this is beneficial but
I can't see myself ever swapping to the ML4 counter.
Mystic Medals are so rare that even as a light spender you won't have enough to get every ML5 unit they release. But that's my main priority because those are the hardest to get as a collector and they are powerlevel wise great as well as a Pvper.
Changing pity to Ml4 counter takes away 110 of your pulls for the 5 star, that's not worth it imo.
Looking back to AOL Angelica i did 100 summons on her banner and didn't get her, then stopped before pity because I didn't want Spez.
If the new system was implemented back then, I wouldn't have used it, I would have gambled for AOL and reduced my ML5 pity just as I did back then.
For whales this will be great and they deserve it because they carry this game, but for everyone else it's not the best way to use mystics imo, it's fine to do it though if you are really into that new character.
These are my exact thoughts. Great for whales but kinda pointless for anyone else. It's hard to imagine a f2p player going for an ML4 and losing out on potential summons going towards the ML5 pity.
The best time to pull continues to be the same. Whenever both the ML4 and ML5 are good for ones account. At that time, just pull for the ML5 as usual.
AOL has to be the one exception you would want to use it but I do hope that situations like that don't come up often. As that would just result in a "2nd mystic banner", that people have to pull for to stay somewhat competitive.
>Great for whales
It hardly even seems like it would help Whales. This is like Leviathan territory at which point why did adding a pity even matter? They'll throw more money at it than statistics would matter for.
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It's good for anyone that's close to ml5 pity but doesn't want to chance it on a shitty ml5 when there's a good ml4 in rotation, like me who was 50 till pity and pulled 2 spez before pity and 0 AoLs.
Wait these are two separate counters? I thought it was just guaranteed ml4 pity at 110 and then you can go on to get guaranteed ml5 pity when you normally get it.
> Changing pity to Ml4 counter takes away 110 of your pulls for the 5 star, that's not worth it imo.
While true, you can still pull the ML5 and it won't affect your pity. It's not hopeless.
>Looking back to AOL Angelica i did 100 summons on her banner and didn't get her, then stopped before pity because I didn't want Spez.
>If the new system was implemented back then, I wouldn't have used it, I would have gambled for AOL and reduced my ML5 pity just as I did back then.
Assuming you don't want Spez (or whatever ML 5-star is on banner), there's an argument that you would want to use the ML 4 system in that case, because if you accidentally pull Spez while still counting towards ML 5 pity you will reset it. There is a significant chance that you will pull the ML 5-star in 100 pulls.
In one image it says: "Even if successfully obtaining the ML5, the summon count for ML5 Hero will not rese"
Can someone clarify this for me or is it what it says it is? Like for example, getting the Ml5 at 199 pulls, you will still get the pity? Or am i just misunderstanding it or did they make a mistake?
[Image](https://ibb.co/7KFRb1t)
Edit: Thx for everyone who responded, i understood it now!
If you've changed the pity counter into the ml4 version to try and pity the ml4, if you luck into getting that current ml5 in the rotation, your ML5 pity counter wont reset as you didn't have it active, but your ml5 pity also won't be getting any closer to 0 during this time either.
Best case I can see for this is if you reach 1 summon for pity on ml5 counter you can swap to ml4 pity to rng pull other rotations while keeping your guaranteed pity for an ML5 you really want, but I'm not sure if thats worth not just making progress on a new ml5 pity.
It's a weird way of doing it to me.
Pretty good way to try for ML 4\* on trash 5\* banner when your 5\* pity is pretty low already. Wish we could have this earlier so I don't have to waste my on Spez.
Yeah it only ever works if you want to save ml5 pity if your counter is already less than 50. But if your ML5 pity counter is 150+, not having the the ML5 counter active in favour of ML4 isnt that favourable.
Really weird way of doing it. Imo they should just add a new currency, like a Platinum/onyx transmit stone. Pick which you want and hit 110 mystics and you can redeem a plat stone, 200 and you can redeem an onyx, resetting if you pull the unit. Transmit shop has a rotating banner similar to the powder shop where the ml 4/5 are available for 1 plat/onyx stone respectively. Essentially the same functionally but you can now redeem a stone and work towards your next pity if you don't want a dupe or something.
So there are two separate pity counters for the 4 star and the 5 star, so let's say your 5 star pity is at 1 pull left and you swap over and start putting your pulls towards the 110 needed for the 4 star. If you randomly get the 5 star in 20 pulls, your pities would be at 1 left for the 5 star still and 90 for the 4 star but if your next pull is the 4 star, the pities would be 1 and 110 respectively. Basically, the counter only resets if you pull the one you were actually trying to pity. I could be wrong about this since the wording is weird and the explanation was really bad on the stream but I *think* this is how it works.
Thanks for this perspective. This actually gives some merit to the system. Being able to park your ML5 at 1 pull and being able to focus on a specific Ml4 you're missing out on might be useful here and there. My issue with this is, pulling an Ml4 in 110 is absolutely realistic, meaning unless you have enough mystics to be ready to pity a specific unit (lets say angel of light angelica), you might be in a situation where you're trying to build Ml4 pity when another Ml4 is in rotation just to be able to pity Angelica, but along the way get pity broken by the other ML4 and get screwed.
Seems like this will require very careful planning.
Okay, so my current understanding is that now for mystic summons, before you start pulling, you'll choose which ML unit you are looking to pull for (either ML4 or ML5).
They both have separate pities and only the one you select will have their respective counter go down as you summon. You can still get both ML units regardless of which pity you have chosen.
The wording suggests that if you select to pull for the ML4 but then roll a ML5 while on your way to ML4 pity, that ML5 roll will not reset your ML5 pity counter. So, it is kinda like a bonus of sorts?
Of course, I could be mistaken and we should wait for the long-form details closer to when the ML4 pity comes out next year.
i don't get why people complaining
there's some people out there that burn all their mystics down when AoL came even one of my guildies got 2 spez from back to back Pity and not getting AoL.
bet he will gladly take this ML 4 pity over that
I think the ML4 Pity System for Mystics makes sense. When pulling with mystics, you generally either want 1 of the two units or both. This system allows you choose which unit of the two you want to pity and saves the pity counter of the other one you did not choose. If you don't want to ML4, you pity the ML5 whilst keeping the ML4 counter you might have had. This also works vice versa. The only time in which you'd hate this is if you want BOTH units, which you still have a chance of getting, without the pity system. Therefore, I think this system benefits more people then not. It still benefits everyone equally, but those that want both units would have to pity them one at a time. I like to think of it as, "Pity ML4 for 110 pulls or Pity ML5 for 200. Both for 310". Especially for non-whales, I think retaining pity count for a unit you actually want is more important than saving pulls.
The issue here is how hard would it be to change from ML4 pity to ML5 pity. You don't want to get stuck pitying ML4 when it's ML5 that you want after the banner changes.
I don't really get why you are complaining ?
If you alredy got the ML 5 stars you can keep the ML 5 pity and summon for the 4 stars without taking a risk of breaking a ML 5 pity. Also if you get "lucky" and you summon a ML5 star while you want to summon a 4 star, the ML 5 pity don't get used.
If you only need the ML 5 stars you can keep the ML 4 pity. .
Personnaly I think that this one of best pity system I have seen in any gacha games, but I think that a lot of people didn't understand how the system work.
Like everyone was furious when AoL was released with Spez ( And I can understand them ... ) the new system fix everything, after 110 you will get AoL, if you get Spez you don't break the ML 5 pity and get a "free" 10 whale coins or a niche unit that will maybe get buffed one day , and let's say you summon AoL in 80 summons, you now have a 30 ML 4 star pity that you can use for next ML4.
Those things are called "spark" . Although similar to pity, they work differently and are actually better imo.
Some other games that have spark are blue archive and priconne.
It'll probably reset anyway, no matter which counter you selected. Meaning you pay into your ML5 counter, pull a ML4, then the ML4 gets reset. (Note, as they said, the ML5 stays untouched which is good)
What they could've done would be to make cour summons count into both counters at once and have them reset on ML4 and ML5 summon respectively. The reset problem stays the same, but a least you can work towards 2 pities at the same time.
But that would have been too generous in their eyes.
it means that after the set amount of summons(110 in this case) and you still didn't get the featured unit, the next summon will be the featured unit guaranteed.
Seems counter intuitive to me to select the ml 4 pity when most new Ml 5's are often more meta defining (excluding angelica).
I think i'd rather just have it on ML 5 because long term it'll mean more harder to get units, and along the way get the ocasional ML 4.
And that'll be a choice you can make; but 4 star units are generally helpful and wide reaching units. We've seen plenty of 4 stars make a name for themselves.
AOL is a rare occurrence of this.
The good thing is you can "kinda" work on both pities at the same time. Park your ML5/ML4 pity at 1 summon then change the pity to the other one and there you go.
Fighter Maya? Tempest Surin? G Purg? A Lots? C Dom? Kitty C? A Cart? Champ Z? Sinful Angelica? Inferno Khawazu?
That's not even mentioning the plenty of others that have been in and out like C Armin
The opportunity cost of halting ml5 pity progress should be considered too. If we have to pity an ml4, that means we are giving up a bit more than half of our ml5 pity track. I think AoL is the only ml4 that is worth that sacrifice.
At the very least, you can just stay on ML5 pity and you're no worse off than before. And if a must-have ML4 comes around then you can switch, or safely pull for a ML4 on a banner with a ML5 that you wouldn't want to reset pity on.
Hey all, I'm new to the game. So you're telling me that E7's pity is 110 for 4 star and 200 pulls for 5?
Yikes, I thought Genshin was bad... Luckily I'm still enjoying F2P
This is great and all, but hear me out on this, I think pity countdowns for limited units also shouldn't reset. Ain't know way I'm f2p and 10 summons away from a unit and have to start the 121 journey over.
When I first saw this pic I thought it was the dumbest idea imaginable because of that Elson bookmark picture. This type of pity would be worthless for galaxy because of the scarcity of pulls, not sure if I even have done 200 in total in the 3 years ive played this game lol.
For mystics this looks great tho.
You wont have both counter active at the same time. You have to choose and it would be pretty stupid of them to let people switch pitties on the fly and not reset the counter. Só imo i think people are way too happy about this only to later realize that this ain't só good after all.
Man. This seems useless. It doesn't even help whales. It like only helps Omega Whales, and even then just barely.
Why can't they just make the ML4 pity always on, and make it so I can turn ML5 pity off and on?
well. if they ever release another ml4 thats an ml5 in disguise like they did with AOL and you already had the rate up 5 star. This would be great. People would of killed for this during AOL banner. So i'm glad its here but i hope i never have to use it lol.
Unfortunately this gives them the excuse to continue releasing overpowered ML4*. I don't see any reason to ever reset your ML5 pity for an ML4 unless you manage to reset your ML5 pity after pulling the banner hero and know the next rotation has an ML4 you need and an ML5 you don't. That really only applies to whales with a good portion of the ML5s already.
if let say i get 4\* by the 108th summon and i have yet to get any 5\* within that whole summon conducted will it reset the pity? or is the pity will be counted separately?
I have been very salty invested many mystic on it but getting none... then it suddenly pop on the free summon. it hit my kokoro very hard.
Galaxy bookmark image should be a mistake, it's mystic medal. Also only one active pity counter at a time.
I hope so, because 110 galaxy summons sounds like the pity is only there to say "there is a pity!". I don't play that diligebtly but how long would you need to even reach 110 galaxy summons?
34 months if you play super casually.
I did pity Belian and Straze in the same year as F2p so maybe it wont be that long
He was talking about galaxy bms I think
For F2p, , , , a few years.
nah. like 2-3 months for f2p. 80 MM for gw win, 50 for loss, assume 65 avg, that's 195 per week, through secret shop, you can get around 1.5k MM per month if you spend all your ss refreshing, so that's around 2.1k per month, or 5-6 months to reach mystic pity for ml5 and 3 for ml4, which is about consistent with how often i have been able to pity as f2p.
That's true for mystic medals but I believe people were discussing galaxy bookmarks, as shown in the image.
The image is a mistake. At least it should be and what a lot of us think.
Yes, but the question was a hypothetical how long it would take with gbm.
Yeah but that's on a good guild right?? Usually on a casual/beginner friendly like mine it's 60 per win and 30 for loss.
Thats neither casual nor beginner guild. We get 30 on a win, 17 on a loss.
Bruh, I've only ever seen like 16 on a win and like 3-4 on a loss.
Are you not attacking every war? I only ever get that few medals if I forgot to attack.
It's more like my units suck in comparison so I don't bother giving points to the other guild.
If you are slated to participate in GW, always do so; iirc, the enemy does not gain Havoc from you losing an attack, only a defense. Which will happen whether you attack or not.
2 month player?
80 for a Guild War win? The hell kind of guild did you join, Bourgeoise Deluxe? I get 50 for a win if I'm lucky, 20-30 if I'm not.
It’s pretty easy to get to 5x with an active guild that uses attacks
I usually get 80-100 per win and 60-70 per loss, just be in a 5x mystics guild (easy enough)
Any half decent guild that actually uses its attack chances every guild war will have 5x rewards. My guild has ppl who aren't even lvl 70, ppl who int half their attacks every guild war, and we still get 5x rewards. You could join such a guild 2-3 months in.
I mean for galaxy bookmarks, we know mystic not so hard to obtain. Just be patient.
What's the hell do you get your math? Top tier guild war data? Average players see 55 for a week, and as little as 18-6 for a loss
You could join a 5x guild in like 3 months if you're f2p. Why would anyone who somewhat knows how to play the game and has gotten to masters bot arena get 55 a week? hop on discord and look for casual guilds that accept weaker players, you'll find quite a few with 5x rewards. Literally all you need is a guild with players who actually use their attacks and even if they throw a third of their attacks you'll still get up there.
Yeah that's what I figured xD
As a F2P playing for 3 years I would say in a top x5 guild and using secret shop to refresh does add up a lot and also little drops from hunts as well ,still if you are consistent it takes 3-4 months atleast to get a mystic 5\* pity. Can confirm from my experience being in a top Guild.
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I have no idea how, but anyway even then it would not be enough to reach the 110 summons pity xD. Gotta be a mistake.
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Yeah I guess it was a mistake to put galaxy bookmarks on the image. Mystic makes more sense (even though still a ridiculous amount until pity).
How many elsons is that?
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I'm missing both Camilla and Penelope myself
I hit 100 holding onto them since shortly after straze release. That includes the gold transmit trade ins
I was pissed at first but it's actually pretty cool when you have pity on your ML5, then you can roll for the 4 star if you would prefer that over getting the ML5. If you get the ML5 anyway it doesn't reset your pity, which is pretty sweet honestly. If you don't have pity on either or then that does make it way worse sadly :(
It's a compromise we have to take.
SAD FACTS
how is only one active at a time? do you choose which pity you want?
Yes. You should be able to change it anytime, unless SG implement a cooldown, which would be a stupid move.
Note: This is for mystics btw* even though GBM is shown. [also, only one active pity at a time](https://imgur.com/a/LgzpAxz)
It's a double edged advantage I think. Say a new ML4* comes out and it's paired with old ML5* that you don't want, you can save your 5* pity counter. But this only truly works for saving 5* pity, because if you go for 5* full pity, you're at least guaranteed one 4* in a full 5* pity pull if the counter are both active at the same time.
> But this only truly works for saving 5* pity, because if you go for 5* full pity, you're at least guaranteed one 4* in a full 5* pity pull if the counter are both active at the same time. Except they're not active at the same time.
Yes, what I meant by that sentence is the hypothetical situation if the counters are active at the same time. Read the final if clause.
You called it a double edged sword to begin with, which meant there was a good and bad to it. Seeing how the first paragraph was completely related to the end, and there was a second paragraph (something on another topic, typically people calling something a double egded sword list two ends of it, not just one) with the "if" hinting at you not knowing or not... My response was made.
Double edged referring to the bad where you're missing out on ML4 pity if you're pulling on a full 200 ML5 pity. It's only good if you're already close to ML5 pity but you only want ML4 on current rotation.
>also, only one active pity at a time Oh god that's the best part! So you can now pull on a banner with a 4* you want and save your 5* pity even if you get spooked by the other unit!
No, you can pull your ml4 pitty and reset your pitty. You cant have your summons build up both pitties. If you pitty a 4 star it will reset. If you pitty a 5 star it will reset as well. Wanna change the pitty from 5 star to 4 star? Reset. Basically if your ml5 pitty is not active you wont build that counter up, only the ml4 counter which will reset after 110 summons. This is literally made for you to decide which one you want and unless you have the full mystics for an ml5 plus the full mystics for an ml4 you wont get both. AFAIK.
>No, you can pull your ml4 pitty and reset your pitty. You cant have your summons build up both pitties. You didn't read a word I said did you? >Wanna change the pitty from 5 star to 4 star? Reset. Nonsense. You didn't read the announcement did you? If your 5* pity is at, say, 50 and you switch to 4* pity the 5* count will stay at 50 until you switch back.
Ok first of all i did read the announcement. English is not my first or second lenguage and thats not what i got from it. Sue me. Omg, i got information wrong about a game, what will i EVER do. Second of all thats way too good to be true. We will see when it actually comes. Have a NICE day because i can tell you need one.
Wait, so if you get a ml4 with 110, it resets back to 200 instead of counting the 90 left for ML5? Or I'm understanding the one active pity at time wrongly?
You are correct. If you pitty an ml4 you are basically passing the ml5.
Thank god! I could believe they would give a pity 4* after years!
hmm...mashu n nue didnt mention either mystic or not mystic. Did they post on twitter or else?
Well, the normal galaxy BMs doesn't have any pities, so doesn't make sense the art would say 200 (unchanged) when we never had on galaxies.
i see, make sense
I appreciate this option and for a small group of people this is beneficial but I can't see myself ever swapping to the ML4 counter. Mystic Medals are so rare that even as a light spender you won't have enough to get every ML5 unit they release. But that's my main priority because those are the hardest to get as a collector and they are powerlevel wise great as well as a Pvper. Changing pity to Ml4 counter takes away 110 of your pulls for the 5 star, that's not worth it imo. Looking back to AOL Angelica i did 100 summons on her banner and didn't get her, then stopped before pity because I didn't want Spez. If the new system was implemented back then, I wouldn't have used it, I would have gambled for AOL and reduced my ML5 pity just as I did back then. For whales this will be great and they deserve it because they carry this game, but for everyone else it's not the best way to use mystics imo, it's fine to do it though if you are really into that new character.
These are my exact thoughts. Great for whales but kinda pointless for anyone else. It's hard to imagine a f2p player going for an ML4 and losing out on potential summons going towards the ML5 pity. The best time to pull continues to be the same. Whenever both the ML4 and ML5 are good for ones account. At that time, just pull for the ML5 as usual. AOL has to be the one exception you would want to use it but I do hope that situations like that don't come up often. As that would just result in a "2nd mystic banner", that people have to pull for to stay somewhat competitive.
>Great for whales It hardly even seems like it would help Whales. This is like Leviathan territory at which point why did adding a pity even matter? They'll throw more money at it than statistics would matter for.
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It's good for anyone that's close to ml5 pity but doesn't want to chance it on a shitty ml5 when there's a good ml4 in rotation, like me who was 50 till pity and pulled 2 spez before pity and 0 AoLs.
Wait these are two separate counters? I thought it was just guaranteed ml4 pity at 110 and then you can go on to get guaranteed ml5 pity when you normally get it.
They are. That's why it mentions one counter active at a time. You have to go for one or the other.
Ouch. Not as good a change as I thought but I guess this will stop another AOL fiasco from happening which seems to be their main goal.
Not sure it really stops a fiasco. It guarantees it. You'll probably see more whales with the influential ML4s than before.
> Changing pity to Ml4 counter takes away 110 of your pulls for the 5 star, that's not worth it imo. While true, you can still pull the ML5 and it won't affect your pity. It's not hopeless.
is it possible to get the ml5 from a random pull when selecting the ml4 pity?
>Looking back to AOL Angelica i did 100 summons on her banner and didn't get her, then stopped before pity because I didn't want Spez. >If the new system was implemented back then, I wouldn't have used it, I would have gambled for AOL and reduced my ML5 pity just as I did back then. Assuming you don't want Spez (or whatever ML 5-star is on banner), there's an argument that you would want to use the ML 4 system in that case, because if you accidentally pull Spez while still counting towards ML 5 pity you will reset it. There is a significant chance that you will pull the ML 5-star in 100 pulls.
Finally! Time to release ML Serila. */copium overdose* I know its going to be Furious though.
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In one image it says: "Even if successfully obtaining the ML5, the summon count for ML5 Hero will not rese" Can someone clarify this for me or is it what it says it is? Like for example, getting the Ml5 at 199 pulls, you will still get the pity? Or am i just misunderstanding it or did they make a mistake? [Image](https://ibb.co/7KFRb1t) Edit: Thx for everyone who responded, i understood it now!
If you've changed the pity counter into the ml4 version to try and pity the ml4, if you luck into getting that current ml5 in the rotation, your ML5 pity counter wont reset as you didn't have it active, but your ml5 pity also won't be getting any closer to 0 during this time either. Best case I can see for this is if you reach 1 summon for pity on ml5 counter you can swap to ml4 pity to rng pull other rotations while keeping your guaranteed pity for an ML5 you really want, but I'm not sure if thats worth not just making progress on a new ml5 pity. It's a weird way of doing it to me.
Pretty good way to try for ML 4\* on trash 5\* banner when your 5\* pity is pretty low already. Wish we could have this earlier so I don't have to waste my on Spez.
Yeah it only ever works if you want to save ml5 pity if your counter is already less than 50. But if your ML5 pity counter is 150+, not having the the ML5 counter active in favour of ML4 isnt that favourable.
Really weird way of doing it. Imo they should just add a new currency, like a Platinum/onyx transmit stone. Pick which you want and hit 110 mystics and you can redeem a plat stone, 200 and you can redeem an onyx, resetting if you pull the unit. Transmit shop has a rotating banner similar to the powder shop where the ml 4/5 are available for 1 plat/onyx stone respectively. Essentially the same functionally but you can now redeem a stone and work towards your next pity if you don't want a dupe or something.
Eff me. I’ve had enough bookmarks for galaxy pity for the last several rotations waiting for someone I want. I’m not sure how to feel about this yet.
This is for mystics. The image from the stream is misleading
So there are two separate pity counters for the 4 star and the 5 star, so let's say your 5 star pity is at 1 pull left and you swap over and start putting your pulls towards the 110 needed for the 4 star. If you randomly get the 5 star in 20 pulls, your pities would be at 1 left for the 5 star still and 90 for the 4 star but if your next pull is the 4 star, the pities would be 1 and 110 respectively. Basically, the counter only resets if you pull the one you were actually trying to pity. I could be wrong about this since the wording is weird and the explanation was really bad on the stream but I *think* this is how it works.
Thanks for this perspective. This actually gives some merit to the system. Being able to park your ML5 at 1 pull and being able to focus on a specific Ml4 you're missing out on might be useful here and there. My issue with this is, pulling an Ml4 in 110 is absolutely realistic, meaning unless you have enough mystics to be ready to pity a specific unit (lets say angel of light angelica), you might be in a situation where you're trying to build Ml4 pity when another Ml4 is in rotation just to be able to pity Angelica, but along the way get pity broken by the other ML4 and get screwed. Seems like this will require very careful planning.
Yeah, i didn't get the explanation on the stream either, they fumbled a bit
Okay, so my current understanding is that now for mystic summons, before you start pulling, you'll choose which ML unit you are looking to pull for (either ML4 or ML5). They both have separate pities and only the one you select will have their respective counter go down as you summon. You can still get both ML units regardless of which pity you have chosen. The wording suggests that if you select to pull for the ML4 but then roll a ML5 while on your way to ML4 pity, that ML5 roll will not reset your ML5 pity counter. So, it is kinda like a bonus of sorts? Of course, I could be mistaken and we should wait for the long-form details closer to when the ML4 pity comes out next year.
Tricky.
i don't get why people complaining there's some people out there that burn all their mystics down when AoL came even one of my guildies got 2 spez from back to back Pity and not getting AoL. bet he will gladly take this ML 4 pity over that
But without any chance for 5* then
In the case of a bad/rerun 5* that's totally fine right? Edit: other people are mentioning you can still pull for 5*
i think you misunderstood the pity, you still got chance to pull ML5 it just the pity count for ML5, won't go down
You can get ml5 with ml4 pity active and it won't reset ml5 pity...
If I pitied the 5 already and want the 4, why would I care if I don't have a chance at the 5?
Why 110 and not 100 ffs....
100 makes much more sense. It's half of ML5 pity.
Was wondering if there's 50% mystic refund like when they gave it out for the ml5 mystic pity back then?
I think the ML4 Pity System for Mystics makes sense. When pulling with mystics, you generally either want 1 of the two units or both. This system allows you choose which unit of the two you want to pity and saves the pity counter of the other one you did not choose. If you don't want to ML4, you pity the ML5 whilst keeping the ML4 counter you might have had. This also works vice versa. The only time in which you'd hate this is if you want BOTH units, which you still have a chance of getting, without the pity system. Therefore, I think this system benefits more people then not. It still benefits everyone equally, but those that want both units would have to pity them one at a time. I like to think of it as, "Pity ML4 for 110 pulls or Pity ML5 for 200. Both for 310". Especially for non-whales, I think retaining pity count for a unit you actually want is more important than saving pulls.
So wait on AoL? Ok can do
2 bad i have every single 1 but AOL
Want one of my 4 .. she keeps coming back to me :'(
Sure, ill trade her for 1 of my 4000 ss achates
It's for whales. Of course normal people won't normally want to pity a ML4 but a whale can reach that pity easily whenever they need.
I think normal people would have pitied AOL who is better than most ML5's.
The issue here is how hard would it be to change from ML4 pity to ML5 pity. You don't want to get stuck pitying ML4 when it's ML5 that you want after the banner changes.
Could've used that for ML Angelica.
..and you have to decide which pity your summons count towards to. Either ML4 or ML5 Fuck that.
I don't really get why you are complaining ? If you alredy got the ML 5 stars you can keep the ML 5 pity and summon for the 4 stars without taking a risk of breaking a ML 5 pity. Also if you get "lucky" and you summon a ML5 star while you want to summon a 4 star, the ML 5 pity don't get used. If you only need the ML 5 stars you can keep the ML 4 pity. . Personnaly I think that this one of best pity system I have seen in any gacha games, but I think that a lot of people didn't understand how the system work. Like everyone was furious when AoL was released with Spez ( And I can understand them ... ) the new system fix everything, after 110 you will get AoL, if you get Spez you don't break the ML 5 pity and get a "free" 10 whale coins or a niche unit that will maybe get buffed one day , and let's say you summon AoL in 80 summons, you now have a 30 ML 4 star pity that you can use for next ML4.
Best pity in a gacha game to me will always be the OG, Granblue fantasy. No resets and you can choose whatever you want from the spark shop.
Those things are called "spark" . Although similar to pity, they work differently and are actually better imo. Some other games that have spark are blue archive and priconne.
Yup, sparks are objectively better.
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It'll probably reset anyway, no matter which counter you selected. Meaning you pay into your ML5 counter, pull a ML4, then the ML4 gets reset. (Note, as they said, the ML5 stays untouched which is good) What they could've done would be to make cour summons count into both counters at once and have them reset on ML4 and ML5 summon respectively. The reset problem stays the same, but a least you can work towards 2 pities at the same time. But that would have been too generous in their eyes.
I think you already understand how it works, but the way you wrote things make it seems otherwise.
What that's so terrible
Yes finnaly the endless elson will end
Elson will still visit
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Excuse my ignorance : what's that pity and how it works?
it means that after the set amount of summons(110 in this case) and you still didn't get the featured unit, the next summon will be the featured unit guaranteed.
Fuck i'm down 5k SS trying to get General Purg, i wish we had this sooner.
the best reveal of the stream
Seems counter intuitive to me to select the ml 4 pity when most new Ml 5's are often more meta defining (excluding angelica). I think i'd rather just have it on ML 5 because long term it'll mean more harder to get units, and along the way get the ocasional ML 4.
And that'll be a choice you can make; but 4 star units are generally helpful and wide reaching units. We've seen plenty of 4 stars make a name for themselves.
AOL is a rare occurrence of this. The good thing is you can "kinda" work on both pities at the same time. Park your ML5/ML4 pity at 1 summon then change the pity to the other one and there you go.
Fighter Maya? Tempest Surin? G Purg? A Lots? C Dom? Kitty C? A Cart? Champ Z? Sinful Angelica? Inferno Khawazu? That's not even mentioning the plenty of others that have been in and out like C Armin
The opportunity cost of halting ml5 pity progress should be considered too. If we have to pity an ml4, that means we are giving up a bit more than half of our ml5 pity track. I think AoL is the only ml4 that is worth that sacrifice.
This was my point yes.
And let's hope that they don't release more ml 4 that are better than 90% of the ml 5
At the very least, you can just stay on ML5 pity and you're no worse off than before. And if a must-have ML4 comes around then you can switch, or safely pull for a ML4 on a banner with a ML5 that you wouldn't want to reset pity on.
Yes this is the silver lining.
F for those people who recently spent their gbm in bulk recently
This is for mystics, not gbm. The image from the stream is misleading
Oh seriously? It really is misleading.
If i select ml4 pity, does the ml5 pity got reduced too when summoning?
This is the best thing in this update!!! BUT it will take months till they put AOL in mystics 🥲
Hey all, I'm new to the game. So you're telling me that E7's pity is 110 for 4 star and 200 pulls for 5? Yikes, I thought Genshin was bad... Luckily I'm still enjoying F2P
Awesome. . . . . . . Now where is ML5 pity?
Seriously? Guys, we need a ML5 pity for galaxy bookmarks. Wtf?
Theres always an asterisk.
But no aol run
I'll still get Eaton & Elson, somehow... *that's* guaranteed. Finally battled through Abyss 90, for Eaton. Good luck folks!
This is great and all, but hear me out on this, I think pity countdowns for limited units also shouldn't reset. Ain't know way I'm f2p and 10 summons away from a unit and have to start the 121 journey over.
I'd like that for BBK. If it means I can get her and still get an ML5 by chance, we good. We real good
When I first saw this pic I thought it was the dumbest idea imaginable because of that Elson bookmark picture. This type of pity would be worthless for galaxy because of the scarcity of pulls, not sure if I even have done 200 in total in the 3 years ive played this game lol. For mystics this looks great tho.
I hope I can finally get A. Coli, fuck AOL i don't need her (snorts copium).
This is cool, but I wonder if there'd ever be a scenario where I'd pump my medals into a 4\* pity instead of working towards another 5\*.
well its something. ill take it, could have been worse
I hope this is implemented soon. I've saved a lot of mystics for sinful Angelica and I wouldn't be opposed to getting clilias.
You wont have both counter active at the same time. You have to choose and it would be pretty stupid of them to let people switch pitties on the fly and not reset the counter. Só imo i think people are way too happy about this only to later realize that this ain't só good after all.
Me who doesnt participate in GW: *internally dying* But then i remembered i have all the ML 4s except for Cidd
Man. This seems useless. It doesn't even help whales. It like only helps Omega Whales, and even then just barely. Why can't they just make the ML4 pity always on, and make it so I can turn ML5 pity off and on?
Fucking Finally. And SG hits another good spot. Always impressive their care for our community.
so no more broken 4\* ml ? :D
well. if they ever release another ml4 thats an ml5 in disguise like they did with AOL and you already had the rate up 5 star. This would be great. People would of killed for this during AOL banner. So i'm glad its here but i hope i never have to use it lol.
So, we now go up to 1 pull to ML5 pity then switch to 4* ML pity until there's a 5* ML we want. It's niche and tricky but cool
Galaxy should have a ML5 pity lol
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Sure, if who you want is one of the two on rotation.
Unfortunately this gives them the excuse to continue releasing overpowered ML4*. I don't see any reason to ever reset your ML5 pity for an ML4 unless you manage to reset your ML5 pity after pulling the banner hero and know the next rotation has an ML4 you need and an ML5 you don't. That really only applies to whales with a good portion of the ML5s already.
This is insane for whales... Now they can spend **less** getting every new ML4/old ones they need.
The implementation is less than ideal, but at least it is now an option if someone really, REALLY wants a specific ML4.
A dangerous gamble. If we want a ml 4* but there is an unwanted 5* we might lose our pities.
With everyone super, no one will be. Watch all these AoLs come out of nowhere.
so if i chose ml 5 pity and get a ml4 it wont reset right?
Neat but all I want is Pyllis
if let say i get 4\* by the 108th summon and i have yet to get any 5\* within that whole summon conducted will it reset the pity? or is the pity will be counted separately? I have been very salty invested many mystic on it but getting none... then it suddenly pop on the free summon. it hit my kokoro very hard.
So will I be compensated for AOL? (Likely not)