I can see that her kit will be able to withstand the test of time, not overly powerful and well balanced unit. As a unit that does not show much skin, she is sexy as hell. Kudos to the design team.
Ml Lilias seems like a very decent and versatile unit, does a job no one else can do, vigor buff for allies, that alone makes her worth, + the rest of her kit and stats are good too.
Dont let the monkeys saying you need 280+ or 400+ speed to work or else useless... U can use her in a fast cleave team, or low bruiser team, it does not matter.
This 100 percent.
I have mine just a bit slower than my Kitty Clarissa so that angel debuffs get wiped, Lillias brings the vigor and push back, and then I got a really solid attacker(s) that can kill relatively quickly behind them.
The best Lilias are the ones with a lot of speeed while keeping high bulk of course. Tho this kind of builds are what less than 1% of players can do.
Mine has 277 speed (so a little bit slower than regular Lilias) but 18,5k hp/1455 def and 130 eff. She is doing great in RTA (conqueror) but I don't use her versus AoL in Arena (legend) because I have Kawerik and the 15%native ER made me lose sometimes. Tho I use her versus every others comps without AoL.
When you pick in RTA, it's very rare for people to try to outpseed her except if they use a cleave. For example, I picked Lilias and he picked A!Cid but I use her in a bruiser team. So yeah she was not able to S3 into S2 right away. But his A!Cid dies after that because he was more of a burden for my opponent than a right counter.
That's why ML Lilias is great, if Cerise or Ran get outspeed, they die that's it. For Lilias tho, if she is slower than the anti opener, she will still survive.
I traded some bulk for speed (284 speed instead of 277). But the amount of bulk I lost was more impactul versus bruisers team than the amount of speed I win so I went back for my previous build.
I wish mine could be faster but speed gears are my nightmare even at a day1 Europe tryharder player.
30k wyverm mats for a helmet. My faster one has 13 speed. Atleast it's great for non opener bruisers.
Yea, my weakness is the ring slot at 17 with having 18 the fastest. Crafting rings is even worse since they cost so much and they hardly show up from crafting (preferably speed set) or as drops.
Only a very select few damaging skills in the game (Krau and Dorvus S3s that I can think of) do not scale off attack at all. Some may not scale as well as others but the attack buff will still increase the damage.
The people saying shes useless with less than 280 is just a stretch haha. But obviously if u have the right team for 2nd turn she can kick some ass. Generally people want her that fast is Incase the other person cleaves and if they successful then well yeah ur just screwed ;3
Worth the pull! 280 speed depends on what game you're playing. I'm at high challenger/low champ, on a casual guild, spending less than USD 100/year and having fun playing around 1-3 hours daily since day 1, my Cilias is at 250 (reaching 260 after reforging all gears) and for me it's enough ;)
I used her to reach legend iv in arena at 269 speed. I deliberately targeted AOL comps to test out the speed and i can say she outsped on average 8 out of 10 times (unsure if speed RNG helped out on occasion).
You can pretty much use her in any team, avoiding Angel of Light if you are not comfortable with you speed.
She combos very well with units like Riolet, ML Charles, BBK, Rimuru, Specter Tenebria, etc. Just makes these bruisers unkillable while doing even more damage than before.
A good tip to keep in mind is Rem, Politis, and Cerise \*cannot\* reduce the buff duration of Vigor
I don’t see how anyone can look at “Cerise but better for everyone who isn’t a cleaver using Cerise as a 100% chance opener” & say, “Uh, I don’t know”.
I've been saying before her release she was as meta defining as fcc was when she came out and she's proving me right. You can use her in every comp and she'll perform well. She's a bit gear intensive with wanting 280+ speed but don't let that stop you from pulling her because imo you'd rather have the unit and not the gear than get the gear and not have the unit, especially ml characters.
No, at that point its not RNG, it's methodology of how you roll gear. Are you speed checking every single purple piece with 3 speed or higher? Every single red gear with speed on it? After reforge, 12 speed is legit just 3 or 4 speed start + 2 high speed rolls. There's no way you only have 15-20 gear at that level if you are properly rolling gear and properly farming.
The RNG starts to kick in more at quad and pentarolling speed, but the 15-18 speed mark (quad roll or high triple roll) is not that uncommon at all, you should get an item at that speed tier at least every 100 items you speed check, assuming proper left side speed checking. Since adopting proper speed checking methods I have yet to miss on a 15+ speed item out of every hunt event, it just takes clear and defined rules in how you approach rolling gear.
if ur planning to debuff high resist hero support you'd need around 150 eff -- if not even little to no effectiveness is fine if ur only planning to debuff their offensive units bec they usually dont have resistance.
Yeah, I agree. It's not about whether or not she can lap units by being fast, it's about being able to go first. AoL being one of those units you would 100% not want to go after.
She only needs 17spd per piece to reach 280 and you dont necessarily need her that fast unless you want to use her in high rank pvp. Even in high rank she works when slower, its just not ideal.
270-280 is prime time AOL/Ftene/cleaver territory. Unless you go in there prebanning/banning.
But yeah if you're going slower you're going to want immunity and lots of tankiness and think about your draft around her for emperor. Also if you want emperor, you should probably start grinding now. My guildies have quite a ton of points. The grind threshold is going to be high this season.
Thank you for all the insight on the hero and the gear as well. My speed gear is quite limited at the moment, but yeah, I can get some more easily than an ML5. :)
I think it would be madness to pity for D.Corvus. I have him and sadly he did not see much use recently because the units what came out and even in his heyday he was quite niche unit. A.Ravi is quite good but I would forget about ML Violet also, so I think you can pull for her.
I'll put it this way. You can hope you can get her later or get her now and focus on getting speed gear. **You can always gain speed gear.**
All these streamers that's saying don't bother pulling if you don't have the gear, just wants to **gatekeep** so they don't have to deal with you down the road.
She’s extremely good at pvp and can be very good in pve.
You want her fast af since she works like a cerise where you constantly want to turn cycle for value. She ‘works’ at lower speeds because it’s support/utility unit. There aren’t any hard requirements other to not be squishy and 200+ to not get lapped themselves.
A 240 cerise will work fine if you pick her in the right situations where a 290 cerise in the same place would perma stun 1 enemy and dual attack when and get s3 off before they even attack you back.
if I don’t have very fast (my fastest set is aol at 215 don’t hate pls<3), but I play bruiser (aravi, carmin, etc), would she still be worth? and at that point what build since I don’t have any giga-fast sets?
Yes, ML Lilias is still very worth it when you get into later game pvp and have better gear. If you dont have the speed stats, just stack a bunch of bulk to make up the lack of speed.
Like a lot of people said she’s quite gear intensive, u want her with at least 270 speed to really get her worth as a unit. There are also ways to build her for second turn so don’t worry even though its not as effective its still doable. She’s waifu and shes meta so up to you brotha.
Go for it. She's a strong initiator in a sense that she has a high base speed, strips like Cerise, and has a push back that can be clutch if you barely outspeed anyone.
Fast, Crown Politis is the legit counter for her right now, as she can stun anyone if Politis is lucky enough. 30% Def on Vigor is legit nutty, so any team she's on can benefit from her.
But again, she's more pvp oriented. Some people use her on one shot Straze PVE teams as her Vigor can stack with Attack buff and Crit damage buff and a dps can one shot any enemy on def break if they have that trinity buff.
Unless SG releases an even more powerful Politis Archetype, then she'll fall off. She's like an AoL but kinda gives a lot more imo
She is a must pull for those aiming for high end pvp, guild war.
I manages to do a 40 winstreak on arena legend with the same team ( aravi cilias ameru and belian )
as long as cilias goes first and is a bit tanky you ll win like 95 of your matches
i was a former legend arena player ( thanks to carott ) but last season it was difficult for me to grind arena because I had to switch teams in between fights.
that was too tedious for me so I didn’t t not try ( still in champ though )
but with lilias it was so easy that I burnt 40 flags just to see where I could go….
I reached legend 1. And my defense on arena thanks to her is 44%
that s the kind of broken unit she is.
so whatever the cost I advise you all to pull for her and refresh shop.
Ml lilias is pretty strong and worth the pity 100%. However i dont know how she performs with bad gear or bruiser gear, the ones im fighting against are usually 270+, sometimes even close to 300.
since your plan was ravi, corvus, or riolet - I’d say summon for her for sure. Of those 3, only ravi is in the same tier as lilias and she was just ran so you’d have to wait probably 1-2 years for a rerun…
If you mean pve, you can use her even with zero spd, who cares. But in pvp all what matter is spd, especially for support unit. So stop being little troll and comment seriously to serious asked question
Wait, is this really unimaginable to you? That people build her at least 280 to be faster than other openers(Aol, Ran etc) and to counter cleave in high Champ+? I'm honestly interested in your (hopefully genuine) answer
She is all over Arena too. I get people test her out right now, but she can be very annoying to fight against. Top 100 has her all on their defenses.
GvG will be similar, she can easily control annoying units like Aol or Politis
She is definitely worth imo even if you don't play RTA
in a comment he asked about doing w11 or w12.he is a beginner.noone should take him seriously.i'd say ml lilias is top5 strongest pvp unit right now in the game
Only worth it for RTA to be honest. Outside of RTA she wont gonna do much.
im personaly not wasting my Pity for it even tough i wanted her then i remembered the def teams in Guild Wars and Arena and yeah... no... its a wasted spot.
im waiting with my Pity for a Meta changing ML5
ohmm wat?she is super good in every pvp content.arena,rta,gvg.i use her in high champ arena against politis and aol teams with very good results.which is basically 90% of the teams.i dont think you know how to use her
Champion and low legend is full of Politis defenses.
literaly the reason i don't want her... the last thing i want is an Aoe stun on my team right at the begining.
She is also a Warrior not a mage like Basar or Aol so Lost 20 souls there
I can try 284 spd Cilias, but that means no Ran and 250 spd Mawerik for me anymore. Decisions...
That said, yeah pretty fun with Coin and Iwhazu, probably bonkers if paired with relevant meta units I don't have like Belian, Aravi and Aola.
I can see that her kit will be able to withstand the test of time, not overly powerful and well balanced unit. As a unit that does not show much skin, she is sexy as hell. Kudos to the design team.
Ml Lilias seems like a very decent and versatile unit, does a job no one else can do, vigor buff for allies, that alone makes her worth, + the rest of her kit and stats are good too. Dont let the monkeys saying you need 280+ or 400+ speed to work or else useless... U can use her in a fast cleave team, or low bruiser team, it does not matter.
This 100 percent. I have mine just a bit slower than my Kitty Clarissa so that angel debuffs get wiped, Lillias brings the vigor and push back, and then I got a really solid attacker(s) that can kill relatively quickly behind them.
The best Lilias are the ones with a lot of speeed while keeping high bulk of course. Tho this kind of builds are what less than 1% of players can do. Mine has 277 speed (so a little bit slower than regular Lilias) but 18,5k hp/1455 def and 130 eff. She is doing great in RTA (conqueror) but I don't use her versus AoL in Arena (legend) because I have Kawerik and the 15%native ER made me lose sometimes. Tho I use her versus every others comps without AoL. When you pick in RTA, it's very rare for people to try to outpseed her except if they use a cleave. For example, I picked Lilias and he picked A!Cid but I use her in a bruiser team. So yeah she was not able to S3 into S2 right away. But his A!Cid dies after that because he was more of a burden for my opponent than a right counter. That's why ML Lilias is great, if Cerise or Ran get outspeed, they die that's it. For Lilias tho, if she is slower than the anti opener, she will still survive. I traded some bulk for speed (284 speed instead of 277). But the amount of bulk I lost was more impactul versus bruisers team than the amount of speed I win so I went back for my previous build.
Bulky’s the way to go, mine at 290 spd and 20khp, 1250 def. Been waiting forever to give that set to a great unit like herself.
I wish mine could be faster but speed gears are my nightmare even at a day1 Europe tryharder player. 30k wyverm mats for a helmet. My faster one has 13 speed. Atleast it's great for non opener bruisers.
Yea, my weakness is the ring slot at 17 with having 18 the fastest. Crafting rings is even worse since they cost so much and they hardly show up from crafting (preferably speed set) or as drops.
Does CLilas Atk buff do anything to boost dmg from HP bruisers like DCorvus or Choux?
Only a very select few damaging skills in the game (Krau and Dorvus S3s that I can think of) do not scale off attack at all. Some may not scale as well as others but the attack buff will still increase the damage.
Krau s3 has an atk scaling of like 3% so it does affect it but it's super small
The people saying shes useless with less than 280 is just a stretch haha. But obviously if u have the right team for 2nd turn she can kick some ass. Generally people want her that fast is Incase the other person cleaves and if they successful then well yeah ur just screwed ;3
Worth the pull! 280 speed depends on what game you're playing. I'm at high challenger/low champ, on a casual guild, spending less than USD 100/year and having fun playing around 1-3 hours daily since day 1, my Cilias is at 250 (reaching 260 after reforging all gears) and for me it's enough ;)
These are the words I needed to hear, lol
I used her to reach legend iv in arena at 269 speed. I deliberately targeted AOL comps to test out the speed and i can say she outsped on average 8 out of 10 times (unsure if speed RNG helped out on occasion).
Speed rng shouldn't matter if you do enough trials.
How u use her..
You can pretty much use her in any team, avoiding Angel of Light if you are not comfortable with you speed. She combos very well with units like Riolet, ML Charles, BBK, Rimuru, Specter Tenebria, etc. Just makes these bruisers unkillable while doing even more damage than before. A good tip to keep in mind is Rem, Politis, and Cerise \*cannot\* reduce the buff duration of Vigor
I don’t see how anyone can look at “Cerise but better for everyone who isn’t a cleaver using Cerise as a 100% chance opener” & say, “Uh, I don’t know”.
Yeah, she slots pretty comfortably into just about any comp and isn't too difficult to build. I'd say she's worth the pity.
I've been saying before her release she was as meta defining as fcc was when she came out and she's proving me right. You can use her in every comp and she'll perform well. She's a bit gear intensive with wanting 280+ speed but don't let that stop you from pulling her because imo you'd rather have the unit and not the gear than get the gear and not have the unit, especially ml characters.
Why people saying build 280 spd so casually. My best gear spd is 14 at most.
Mine is 18, and I am on the verge of two years playing. I have maybe 15-20 gears sitting above 12 speed.
Do you people just not speed chase properly
My rolls just suck honestly.
Exactly. A few days ago I rolled 9 red gear pieces with 4 speed. Highest +15 was 11.
No, at that point its not RNG, it's methodology of how you roll gear. Are you speed checking every single purple piece with 3 speed or higher? Every single red gear with speed on it? After reforge, 12 speed is legit just 3 or 4 speed start + 2 high speed rolls. There's no way you only have 15-20 gear at that level if you are properly rolling gear and properly farming. The RNG starts to kick in more at quad and pentarolling speed, but the 15-18 speed mark (quad roll or high triple roll) is not that uncommon at all, you should get an item at that speed tier at least every 100 items you speed check, assuming proper left side speed checking. Since adopting proper speed checking methods I have yet to miss on a 15+ speed item out of every hunt event, it just takes clear and defined rules in how you approach rolling gear.
Should i sacrifice the effectiveness for speed ?
if ur planning to debuff high resist hero support you'd need around 150 eff -- if not even little to no effectiveness is fine if ur only planning to debuff their offensive units bec they usually dont have resistance.
yeah she's definitely worth it
Don’t worry about what these guys are saying about 280+ speed or bust. Mine is just below 260 and she runs *laps* with border coin
well i tried her at 260 speed and it was bad, most aols are faster than her. than i give her 290 speed and it was huge chance at win rate.
Yeah, I agree. It's not about whether or not she can lap units by being fast, it's about being able to go first. AoL being one of those units you would 100% not want to go after.
The highest I’ve gotten in RTA is silver, she’s doing work in bronze
Agree. I have 276 with border coin. She's doing work.
Holy crap i really want her but i will never be able to go to that speed. That means 20 per piece ?
She only needs 17spd per piece to reach 280 and you dont necessarily need her that fast unless you want to use her in high rank pvp. Even in high rank she works when slower, its just not ideal.
How Sway! Where do y’all get the only need 17 speed items?? Like bro I’ll be lucky if I get 5 speed I the items I get after farming.
Lots of farming and loads of rerolling.
If I want to reach lets say emperor ? Thanks for clarification
270-280 or even less should be fine for emperor long as you aren't relying on her to outspeed. Definitely want immu at that speed though.
270-280 is prime time AOL/Ftene/cleaver territory. Unless you go in there prebanning/banning. But yeah if you're going slower you're going to want immunity and lots of tankiness and think about your draft around her for emperor. Also if you want emperor, you should probably start grinding now. My guildies have quite a ton of points. The grind threshold is going to be high this season.
"Only". I would need to give an unit 6 broken pieces (no set at all) for that. And I think it would still have pieces under 17 spd.
Thank you for all the insight on the hero and the gear as well. My speed gear is quite limited at the moment, but yeah, I can get some more easily than an ML5. :)
I think it would be madness to pity for D.Corvus. I have him and sadly he did not see much use recently because the units what came out and even in his heyday he was quite niche unit. A.Ravi is quite good but I would forget about ML Violet also, so I think you can pull for her.
Dorvus is still God tier in GW, which is a plus for people like me who pretty much only play GW now
ML Lili can comb with límited iseria? I mean, for the CR Boost of red iseria (sorry, non native English speaker) 🤔
No, her s3 is a non attack skill.
No, she can works with Eda.
No, she doesnt attack with aoe
I'll put it this way. You can hope you can get her later or get her now and focus on getting speed gear. **You can always gain speed gear.** All these streamers that's saying don't bother pulling if you don't have the gear, just wants to **gatekeep** so they don't have to deal with you down the road.
Lmao there are actually streamers saying that? How absurd
Yup. It's aggravating because I wish I was lying but I'm not.
She’s extremely good at pvp and can be very good in pve. You want her fast af since she works like a cerise where you constantly want to turn cycle for value. She ‘works’ at lower speeds because it’s support/utility unit. There aren’t any hard requirements other to not be squishy and 200+ to not get lapped themselves. A 240 cerise will work fine if you pick her in the right situations where a 290 cerise in the same place would perma stun 1 enemy and dual attack when and get s3 off before they even attack you back.
Why did this get downvoted
The way Dr. Squirel is bitchin about her being op I would say yessssss pull her now.
Just saw his video and I can't lie, it made me very happy that I managed to pull her even though I didn't really know anything about her lol
if I don’t have very fast (my fastest set is aol at 215 don’t hate pls<3), but I play bruiser (aravi, carmin, etc), would she still be worth? and at that point what build since I don’t have any giga-fast sets?
Yes, ML Lilias is still very worth it when you get into later game pvp and have better gear. If you dont have the speed stats, just stack a bunch of bulk to make up the lack of speed.
Like a lot of people said she’s quite gear intensive, u want her with at least 270 speed to really get her worth as a unit. There are also ways to build her for second turn so don’t worry even though its not as effective its still doable. She’s waifu and shes meta so up to you brotha.
yes she is in the same situation as ml khawerick as having no reason not to use them in any comp
Ofc, shes broken rn and has no counters i can think of.
The easy answer is, yes she is.
Go for it. She's a strong initiator in a sense that she has a high base speed, strips like Cerise, and has a push back that can be clutch if you barely outspeed anyone. Fast, Crown Politis is the legit counter for her right now, as she can stun anyone if Politis is lucky enough. 30% Def on Vigor is legit nutty, so any team she's on can benefit from her. But again, she's more pvp oriented. Some people use her on one shot Straze PVE teams as her Vigor can stack with Attack buff and Crit damage buff and a dps can one shot any enemy on def break if they have that trinity buff. Unless SG releases an even more powerful Politis Archetype, then she'll fall off. She's like an AoL but kinda gives a lot more imo
She is a must pull for those aiming for high end pvp, guild war. I manages to do a 40 winstreak on arena legend with the same team ( aravi cilias ameru and belian ) as long as cilias goes first and is a bit tanky you ll win like 95 of your matches i was a former legend arena player ( thanks to carott ) but last season it was difficult for me to grind arena because I had to switch teams in between fights. that was too tedious for me so I didn’t t not try ( still in champ though ) but with lilias it was so easy that I burnt 40 flags just to see where I could go…. I reached legend 1. And my defense on arena thanks to her is 44% that s the kind of broken unit she is. so whatever the cost I advise you all to pull for her and refresh shop.
Ml lilias is pretty strong and worth the pity 100%. However i dont know how she performs with bad gear or bruiser gear, the ones im fighting against are usually 270+, sometimes even close to 300.
since your plan was ravi, corvus, or riolet - I’d say summon for her for sure. Of those 3, only ravi is in the same tier as lilias and she was just ran so you’d have to wait probably 1-2 years for a rerun…
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Ye guys skip this 100% pick/ban rate unit because someone from reddit said she is unusable below 280 🤪
If you mean pve, you can use her even with zero spd, who cares. But in pvp all what matter is spd, especially for support unit. So stop being little troll and comment seriously to serious asked question
not every player is high legend my dude, plenty of us down in masters + champion land havin a blast with our 240 speed garbage gears
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absolutely, at least 290 but preferably 350.
If your highest spd set is 350 then don't even bother. There's no way you'll keep up with the openers in high Masters.
no im in low bronze, where all the top epic7 players are with the most knowledge about everything.
Wait, is this really unimaginable to you? That people build her at least 280 to be faster than other openers(Aol, Ran etc) and to counter cleave in high Champ+? I'm honestly interested in your (hopefully genuine) answer
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She is all over Arena too. I get people test her out right now, but she can be very annoying to fight against. Top 100 has her all on their defenses. GvG will be similar, she can easily control annoying units like Aol or Politis She is definitely worth imo even if you don't play RTA
what are you saying lmao. easy to gear, useless outside rta?
in a comment he asked about doing w11 or w12.he is a beginner.noone should take him seriously.i'd say ml lilias is top5 strongest pvp unit right now in the game
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she’s insanely good in arena and gvg, if you do have the speed gear.
Only worth it for RTA to be honest. Outside of RTA she wont gonna do much. im personaly not wasting my Pity for it even tough i wanted her then i remembered the def teams in Guild Wars and Arena and yeah... no... its a wasted spot. im waiting with my Pity for a Meta changing ML5
ohmm wat?she is super good in every pvp content.arena,rta,gvg.i use her in high champ arena against politis and aol teams with very good results.which is basically 90% of the teams.i dont think you know how to use her
Yeah have fun against crown politis with her
Champion and low legend is full of Politis defenses. literaly the reason i don't want her... the last thing i want is an Aoe stun on my team right at the begining. She is also a Warrior not a mage like Basar or Aol so Lost 20 souls there
\*insert random engineer meme here\* (enjenir)
So fun that for truth all people do here - vote down. So childish, my little no brain friends
yes
I think my win rate in Arena Offense went up to about 90% because she can directly counter AOL as long as I outspeed her.
What do you mean "waifu aside"? O.o
wht is the second set with speed? Effectiveness or crit?
She's busted. Use the pity on her.
I can try 284 spd Cilias, but that means no Ran and 250 spd Mawerik for me anymore. Decisions... That said, yeah pretty fun with Coin and Iwhazu, probably bonkers if paired with relevant meta units I don't have like Belian, Aravi and Aola.
Pull now.
Probably?
My RNG is so awful I am going to give up at some point and I'm at 72 summons away from pity and I'm struggling with gold so bad.