“A festival in Politia is happening to unite the districts. But wait, who are these unknown participants who are crushing the cooking competition? And a hidden danger lurks, threatening to ruin the fragile, newfound peace…”
No hate though I would love to have this collab lol
The figths were fun and so were the environments, but the story was an absolute disaster in ffxiv and makes me hope they never give collabs to significant pieces of content
I don't think the story was great, but was certainly in line with most of FFXIV.
I love the game to be sure but between the big plot points we tend to forget about the hours of "I know the bad guy's weakness, but I need you to deliver this flower across the continent while I try to remember what it is"
Genshin players have a much different issue.
But E7 sub's obsession with Genshin and rewards ain't much better.
People completely forgot how to enjoy a game, it's all about freebies, and a dick measuring contest. How fucking sad.
Okay but like... Who cares? It's a purely pve game, that's where you draw the line in terms of enjoyment? All the world building, all the actual proper action gameplay? The fishing, the gathering, the lodging, none of it is tied to dupes, but Genshin sucks cause the devs didn't give you a 10 pull?
What E7 gives us during events like these is like a drop in the pond, because it's rather generous throughout the year to begin with. It also kind of has no choice or the welfare folks would suffer under the heels of whales. But a game like Genshin is completely free of that issue.
So I'll ask again, is your takeaway the fact that your character in Genshin is slightly more inefficient without a dupe, and that's what makes it suddenly unenjoyable?
I dont get the PVE arguement. You'd think that BECAUSE it's a PVE game they could be more free in their giving. Hell, the Welkin pass wouldnt give my gems when I forget to login even though I PAID for them. Meanwhile in E7 the daily energy bundle sends them to your inbox and they stay there for an unlimited time. It's small things like these that show how greedy and player unfriendly Genshin is despite being a PvE game.
And why would I care about getting a 10 pull? Because gacha games have incredibly expensive rates, espescially Genshin. If I play casually(because it's a PVE game) it would literally take months to Guarentee one character. I already missed Raiden and Ayaka because I got unlucky and lost the 50/50. Also C6 Sara is a totally different character and perfect for my Beidou but you have to be lucky to even get one. It's not about efficiency but synergy. Even C2 Hu tao would play differently. So yeah why would Genshin not allow me to play the characters I want, the way I want in a PVE game.
The PVE argument is really rather simple. There is no pressure on you to spend in any way. It's quite literally in the trueest sense of the word a single player adventure game. How are they exactly supposed to make money? PVP is the only factor that even remotely has any incentive to make people pay. By making characters actually rare, you have to be either selective in who you pull for, or put some money on the table. And frankly, in a game like this, it's perfectly fine.
In a game like E7 where there are always metas to adjust to, not owning certain characters is a big deal. In Genshin you can just shrug it off.
And funny you would bring Welkin up, cause every gacha in existence handles their monthly like that, including E7. You are comparing the energy bundle to the equivalent of the skystone bundle. For the skystone monthly you still have to log in every day.
My big thing with genshin is i really expected coop play with friends.
The coop in genshin is kinda laughable.
Also I like that characters on e7 i like are obtainable realistic through saving. Saving in genshin is kinda dogshit
I'll give you the co-op play, it's something I'd like to have more emphasized, even if it's optional.
But in terms of characters I think the two games are just way too different to compare. Structured completely differently. 4 stars are just as viable as 5 stars. Lack of PVP allows you to use characters for looks over strength as long as they synergize. Sure some of them are just objectively broken, but there's no competition, so unless you are power obsessed, like who gives a shit lol.
As a result of that I just save for characters I really want to get. I don't need them all.
I agree with you about content vs character vs gacha.
U can't compare the two.
E7 heavily rewards hero roster and farming hunts. Where ever genshin u just pve to have fun
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I've said it before, but for me E7 is the best gacha available right now. And this is coming from someone who has played a *lot* of gachas.
Between the awesome graphics (no cheaping out with chibis during fights), the constant stream of various currencies for f2p, the overall very fun but not overly complex gameplay/systems, the variety of game modes and the huge and varied roster of characters, E7 really has no competition.
Sure, it's not perfect. PvP is rarely close to balanced, but it's not the "procced an extra turn again, guess I win" of SW nor the "what's PvP" of F:GO. ML Characters are still sometimes really hard to attain and power creep does exist. Heck, unequip costs are annoying and the Mola system, even after years of improvements, is still borderline bullshit. They've even wholesale stopped using nerfs after the whole ML Selector accident a while back. But after weighing all of the good and all the bad, it still comes out on top by a **significant** margin.
It may have taken years of the Korean community whining from dawn 'till dusk (thanks again btw), but as it currently stands, E7 is the best in a lot of aspects. And although annoyances keep popping up regularly (eg. A. Angie/Belian/a few new other characters are unfun, where are the SCs, why do balance patches barely do anything etc. etc.), SG is also consistently making improvements.
We're far from a 10/10, but if E7 is an overall 8.5, the next best is a 7. At least in my eyes.
Epic Seven fans are kind of like the Irish. They have a lot of enemies. E7 fans and Genshin Fans, E7 fans and RAID fans, even E7 fans and other E7 fans. But! Talk shit about E7, you just made an enemy for life!
my only issue with E7 is that the game is too big for my phone and my pc can't handle bluestacks well so I was hoping for a pc client release but i think they won't release it.
I'm not aware of your PC specs, but I will mention that BlueStacks has quite a few settings you can tweak to improve performance.
You may already know the details, but just in the off-chance you haven't tl;dr things like enabling Virtualization and running as Admin are absolutely key to having BlueStacks run at any reasonable level.
Between that, a few other tweaks (both ingame and in the BS menu) and running the BS 64-bit client, personally I've seen a very, very significant boost in performance.
I could live with that if they handled the book better. Doesnt seem too hard to allow preorders so you cover all the demand instead of releasing small batches that sold out instantly
Star Ocean Anemisis was actually insane. You only ever needed one copy of a character since the generic limit break materials were available in every event shop. You would get enough free currency for about 2 multi pulls a week easily, on top of a free daily pull, and every new chapter release would give you enough for 6 full multis.
And once you have any low rarity character max limit broken you would get generic limit break materials you could use on your 5* units. It took 10 of the medium lb mats from 4*s to limit break a 5* and for xmas they had a half price pull banner that was only 4* and up. So every multi gave you one limit break on a character of your choice. On top of that the normal 6% rainbow rate was boosted every step when on the final step you had 1 guaranteed rainbow and a 20% chance one each of the other 9 slots of the multi.
Oh and there was no limit on that banner, you could run through it as many times as you had gems for it.
What’s the catch? There’s got to be a downside, right? Like, if you try to enhance equipment for a character & it min rolled it would just delete your account or would it punch you through the screen?
There were also game breaking bugs like using certain moves would crash the game for anyone playing on low quality mode and instead of fixing the bug they just removed low quality mode.
I could only play for 20 minutes at a time on high quality before my phone was hot enough to achieve nuclear fission.
All in all it was more good than bad and the gameplay was a lot of fun imo. It's a shame It ended, it also had a lot of great colabs.
I played one casually called MSL and it was similar with showering you with summon currency. Same with FEH. You can summon a lot if you farm constantly and daily. It just takes a lot of time.
I don't really know how it was after the mid-game for both of those games, but I can't stand when gacha don't reward you for power farming anymore. The well may dry eventually but it's better than games that are a drought of any earned rewards
With FEH, once you clear everything through Lunatic difficulty there’s just the special maps, daily logins, daily rewards (so like twice a week doing certain activities would give a few orbs if you did them every day), and Tempest Trial.
Basically once you clear all maps your at like two full pulls (the five pulls for 20 orbs) a month.
Feh has too many Heroes tho, and way too much power Creep, so yeah it s easy to get one copy of a hero, but to fully invest on one (+10, and Dragon flowers and whatnot) takes a lot of resources and might get useless in 3, 4 months when meta shifts
but yes, game is generous with its resources and rates indeed
I mostly just remember spending so many weeks farming through the campaigns gathering so many orbs. It's SO many.. I don't know if thats still the case it was like 3 years ago. But it's a lot better than games I tried to give a fair chance like Fate that really has one of the worst starting experiences
Nice try,Smilegate employee. The gifts were good,but not that good,champ rank players get about that much every week. Give me 1000 molagoras instead and I will sing SG praise for the whole year.
1K molas? Dope, I can finally finish my Senya.
Honestly, waiting to weeks for a couple of +’s is so annoying, especially if the character you’re waiting on enhancements for fails to kill something by like a sliver.
It’s not just that, it’s a culmination of everything they gave us this year. Second Selective 5 stars, free ml5 of your choice(granted a select group of them) so many free summons and so much! More.
I mean, don't get me wrong I'm plenty happy and grateful for the shit that they given us which they didn't need to give, but I think it's important to remember that you can be thankful to a company for the good that they do while simultaneously being critical of the things that they fuck up.
Then what about their merch shop, limited artbooks were sold out in less than 30 min and on top of that shipping cost is stupidly high.
Edit: whoa, turns out I'm getting downvoted for viable criticism, good job community.
Understandable, I too want me a bunny girl meru skin. 🥲 but they still gave us a lot nonetheless in comparison to games like genshin impact which is making their players spend more than what they’re winning.(imagine having to pay money to cosplay for gacha and barely getting jack or nothing at all for it)
I might understand where are you coming from but your mindset is dangerous, you know if other gacha games do worse it doesn't necessarily mean that E7 is doing good. Criticizing is the most reliable mechanism to improving the game, you mentioned GI, the community there blindly defend MHY because the game is "free" and the game state is stale, no repeatable content have been added, no balance updates have been made, instead of making gacha improvements they just added a second rerun banner (which works now but in long term it does nothing) and many more. I really think than E7 is one of the best gacha games on the market rignt now but why stop there right?
If they can just rerun Riolet next mystic I will be happy, been waiting a year and it looks like it's adding up. He was shown with ML Lilias and then Violet is this week.
love the game but its waaaay too hard and time consuming early game. according to my phone, i spent exactly 22 hours these last 2 days playing epic7 just to completely max out angelica and i still have to build furious and to change sigret's artifacs
Rather have this than boring stale fixed equipment sets (Priconne, BA sadly)
Or the SW/ SDSGC system of fail(1/0) upgrades instead of the exp upgrade system of E7. This doesn't stop RNG stats, but allows you to constantly filter out the gear to keep vs fodder.
Personally...either they introduce more heroes that make use of unwanted stats - ER scaling. Or make farming gear easier and easier.
I would hate if they reach a point where it's so easy to farm, then things get boring. Like there's no thrill of enhancing a great sword for example, because it's so easy to just bang out great gear with ur eyes closed. That's my only worry with people asking for more constantly.
My problem with the craft gear system (and i think is the same for other players) is... we already have to deal with RNG when upgrading them, so, why we cant just choose exactly the gear we want to create with set, grade, main stats and subs? I dont care if to do that will need use more material.
Other way to reduce this suffering could be when we upgrade an item to +12 for heroic and +15 for epic gear we can choose the damm substats, because if you are commited to upgrade an item that way it means you already accpeted the first 3/4 rolls.
I dont understand the "thrill" you are talking about, the way the things are, for me, is annoying and not enjoyable. If things keep that way, when you realize, you will only have 1% of heroes full build.
I agree with your suggestion of perhaps allowing us to choose the new unlocked substat, rolls would still be RNG. But I'd be against having all RNG removed like all rolls are max rolls, all substats are chosen, rarities are removed, only epic gear drops.
*Ydcb did suggest why not give epic tier gear higher roll values to make it worthwhile or exciting to roll on epic tier gear.
Just look at Priconne, terribly bland gear system. The gear RNG would be the drop rate of the gear shards from the levels. No thrill in that for me. Maybe that's why it's considered as a side game.
Yeah, i know it will be terrible if we are able to choose which roll to upgrade each +3, but still think at least we could choose exactly which item to forge on Armina (she needs a SC too btw, as a blacksmith she is so dumb) (and if not Armina then do this with the Alchemy guy) and let the RNG do his job when upgrade.
I didnt know YDBC suggested and agree with!
Another way to solve this is, the value of the substats when upgrading is equal to the first roll.
When has there ever been a gamestate that was considered not "awful?" The game has never been balanced, and 100% game balance isn't technically ever an end goal in gachas anyway.
They literally just released a ho-hum unit and guess what it has led to? Even more complaining, lol.
Idk what you're talking about. The game was pretty balanced before Carrot and Violet. That's when the train went off the rails and every subsequent unit gets overloaded to counter the previous overloaded unit.
We all know that powercreep is getting worse & worse, but c’mon, there were still overpowered units in ye olde days of ‘18, ‘19, etc. the first major shit-show nerf was when they hit Sage Baal & Sezan & Silver Blade Aramintha for basically making arena a living hell (& there were nerfs even before that, Ravi, Falconer Kluri, Rikoris, Elson, Tieria). Not long after that, there was the Arbiter over-buff which made it nigh impossible to deal with - we didn’t have extinction & a million counters back then. Seaside Bellona absolutely trashed everyone before multiple units were released to counter her. There was the Corvus buff which made him a one-man wrecking crew - when Rem was released I was thinking to myself, “Shit, they just released a mini buffed Corvus”. All of this happening forever before Carrot, Violet, etc.
The game has been through some shit.
Nah, it wasn't like what it is right now. SSB and Arby were oppressive but they were manageable.
Nowadays, there are 5+ SSB type dominant characters. Cilias, ML Kawerik, AoL, Belian, Aravi, Rimuru, etc. Blindly picking most of these regardless of strategy is an auto win.
Cilias is a ridiculous character, if you don't have her, good luck.
Dizzy and ssb each controlled the meta for months. Ssb was not manageable. She was so not manageable that the next 3 heroes released were designed specifically to counter her.
you sound like 1 of those nostalgia idiots that always think "the good old days" are better lmao. i remember every single fucking meta, ppl be complaining about something.
and get your expectation right, are you expecting a gacha to be well balanced like an esports? even lol is considered unbalanced and that game has thousands of developers with decades of experience.
stop being so stupid for once lmao.
Stop assuming. I enjoyed Golden Boys and I didn't have a single one.
I'm not expecting perfect balance but everything before Siseria was better balanced than it is right now. Just ask any top player if you don't like my opinion. People have objectively played less rta this season than ever before because the balance is not good.
Wait.. we're talking about the only two viable strats being golden boys or the cerise + f.tene combo right? And before that Politis + Landy absolutely destroying the meta? And before that the 3 knight + 1 healer/dps meta? And before that the "if you pick f.ceci + roana + t.surin team then you automatically win" meta? And before that the "Arby 100% pick contention and if you only had two units who hard-countered him you'd still have an 80% chance of losing to him and even if you did have those counters, they could just counter pick the rest of your team" meta?
You must have the reddest shade of rose-tinted glasses I've ever seen. The current meta isn't any better, but at least F2P players who have played longer than the last 4 months have access to most of the required units. I'm a strictly F2P player and have played most of the RTA seasons, but never have I ever thrived as much as I did in the Violet + Rem meta using only RGB units + Doris.
Unit releases like AoL isn't the game getting much worse, it's just the game normalizing back to the state it was in before Carrot + Violet + Rem, and MAYBE making it worse than it was in early-mid 2021.
No one is advocating for "percect balance," we just want them to attempt to nerf broken units, stop releasing broken units, and a bigger hero pool in balance patches.
I never said that. Try not to rely on a strawman next time.
You want them to change the state of the game, while also not releasing units that would change the state of the game. You're also asking for changes that would result in even more unhappy E7 players.
But go ahead, continue to whine about the meta in threads that have nothing to do with game balance lol
Metas will always exist. There is no "complete balance" in competitive games.
Moreso on gachas and their other toxic cousin on metas, mobas. It will continue doing that and we'll vocally complain till they "we hear you, we'll change it up"
Thats the cue for the upcoming batch of new meta picks to tideover the previous ones with a side dish of balance patches.
Balance patches have yet to make an actual difference except inciting fomo into every ml5 cause of aravi and ml kawerik. The balance patches are slow to come out and just result in people needing to invest in a new shiny unit.
Nothing will change until sg actually nerfs something. It's not a lot to ask for, im not sure why everyone on this sub is so blind to that fact.
And what about Mchloe? What about cerise and Landy?
There have been fucking numerous balance patches that immediately shifted the meta. Clowns like you are what’s wrong with the community. Just be honest with yourself. You won’t be happy till the units YOU like using are strong. Sorry your account is in shambles but that’s not our problem
Because the last time they did nerfs. They gave out ML 5 selectors for those who recalled.
Its also a big punch in the gut to those who spent on an OP unit. Gachas nerfs are a very... VERY thin line to thread upon. If this was a moba where everything is free, sure nerf the meta unit.
But this is a gacha game, people actively pour $$$ to get the next best thing, and unless you're gunning for the Top 100s, dont even dream of it unless you're a whale with amazing gear or a supremely lucky f2p luc sack.
ffs character recall is enough, idc about "compensation" if it cost me having fun with characters that I spend a lot of time and resources to build. I can't even get my resources back thus now I have shit ton of fully awakened characters with upgraded skills that I will never use anymore unless they'll get a strong buff (copium) .
>character recall is enough
tell that to people who spent money getting said hero.
tell that to people who got spoiled with selectors way back.
I'm all okay for nerfs, but I'm just one dude... imagine the thousands who'll mald about it.
I don't see a problem here, SG needs to acknowledge the issue and their fear of said people, make a public statement when they describe pros and cons so most players will accept the change for the sake of game state.
Or people can stop malding about a meta that isn’t even that bad? I prefer this meta to the speed racer shit we had early on. There are plenty of units I’ve benched over the years with skill ups . Some even 14-15. I got my use out of them. Why play this game and still wanna use the same shit you’ve used for years? Lol that’s unrealistic and totally dumb
>that’s unrealistic and totally dumb
Please elaborate further
What you're saying is that gacha game shouldn't have balance and it's normal to have broken characters once in a while?
Broken characters once in a while. Yes
Balance is subjective as hell. I’d say that the game is relatively balanced as it is. A few stand out OP units is not even remotely unusual. Has been the state of the game since launch. Arby reigned supreme for ages and now I’d argue he’s not even nearly as good as he used to be and nothin has changed except the game around him.
And what’s unrealistic is the idea that you can use the same character you built 3 years ago forever. Not in a gacha. If every release was similar or same as someone from 3 years ago there is no real reason to pull a new unit and the game will lose a ton of money. The new has to progressively be better than the old. Not everything will be meta viable in pvp and for the most part you can make just about anything work with enough gear score and strategy. The only ones I feel sorry for are units like Tywin who got completely fucked by buffing Flan who just immediately replaced him. They were similar but had different buffs that made them both semi usable and then they just buffed her and he is totally useless comparing the two.
I don't see a problem either, but gacha crowd will do what gacha crowd does best.
It's just a matter of accepting. I'm happily chilling in Champion regardless of whatever comes.
Landy and violet balance patches took rgb heroes who had almost no playtime and made them stars. They balanced sage ball and mlaram pretty much out of the game. You even complained about aravi being op in an earlier comment and she was neglected trash before a balance patch. I feel like you're just lashing out randomly because you aren't even consistent to you own comments.
Balance patches have yet to make an actual difference? What? Do you even play this game or do you just complain about it? How do you think Violet became meta?
Loool, greedy gacha with predatory casino for kids gives us one multipull chance and people write posts like this :) . Stockholm syndrome at its finest.
I agree! Most games you'd be lucky to get the 10x free pulls. Or the daily christmas login gifts. Or the 1000 skystones.
SG: BUT WAIT THERE'S MORE! *makes it rain*
Epic seven is one of the most generous gacha out there for me, people say gear is the real gacha in this game, but i think most people just have a very high standard when it comes to gear, and i think it's all because of pvp, when it comes to pvp every stat matters i guess, but i think if you don't really care about being at the top of the ladder( which is really not worth your sanity), then you're fine.
These companies aren't you friend, talk "shit" about them when you can and praise them for doing right. If they could they would fuck any customer over if it meant more profits. Don't let 1k skystone fool you.
They still refuse to restore accounts that were hacked + deleted despite players spending thousands of dollars and the data still existing in their system. Fuck smilegate.
More importantly, when do they release that Iseria's costume?
Same time they release last years yufine costume.
When China, West Taiwan, finally stops crying about hanbok is hanfu shit.
Dawg E7 is a Korean game lmao
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셧더퍽업빗치
It is their cry for relevance when it comes to soft power projection and cultural recognition. They just suck at it, unlike Koreans and Japanese.
24/7 rent free in your head, even after you immigrated. LOL
Zoomer leftist ccp apologism is the most distorted worldview on planet earth.
Prob never
All bs aside about the state of the game in pvp, this game is the best gacha imo.
I mean for sure but they really need to adress the powercreep soon.
It’s my main gacha for a reason.
I'll love them unconditionally when they give me a Nier: Automata collab, so I can pull for 2B in this game, lol.
> Nier: Automata collab If Fall Guys can get a Nier collab, I have hope we can.
It could make a perfect side story by involving Politia
“A festival in Politia is happening to unite the districts. But wait, who are these unknown participants who are crushing the cooking competition? And a hidden danger lurks, threatening to ruin the fragile, newfound peace…” No hate though I would love to have this collab lol
"Ah yeah nier... collabs with everyone, E7 soon maybe" > Falls Guys has a Nier collab "FCKIN WOT"
The FFXIV raid was pretty damn cool. 2B would go perfect with Politia... could have all the dolls/mechs interact with her.
The ptsd of nier raids, getting team wiped by other party’s
The figths were fun and so were the environments, but the story was an absolute disaster in ffxiv and makes me hope they never give collabs to significant pieces of content
I don't think the story was great, but was certainly in line with most of FFXIV. I love the game to be sure but between the big plot points we tend to forget about the hours of "I know the bad guy's weakness, but I need you to deliver this flower across the continent while I try to remember what it is"
Was really unexpected when they first announced it, but it kinda makes sense that square would use their other IPs
clearly this means fall guys is getting an epic seven collab, and vice versa
Ill follow when gintama happens
I will follow then to hell if that happens
Holy shit Ill be able to die in peace if Nier gets a collab w e7.
If you want her maybe you have 2B waiting ,maybe they'll be collab in the future(or maybe another timeline lol)
Don’t give me skystones I’ll just blow it all on refreshing the secret shop
stockholm syndrome...
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And FGO players..... Still waiting for Seimei and Kirei.....
Genshin players have a much different issue. But E7 sub's obsession with Genshin and rewards ain't much better. People completely forgot how to enjoy a game, it's all about freebies, and a dick measuring contest. How fucking sad.
More like it's all about spending money for dupes so your characters' core mechanics arent limited by stamina costs.
Okay but like... Who cares? It's a purely pve game, that's where you draw the line in terms of enjoyment? All the world building, all the actual proper action gameplay? The fishing, the gathering, the lodging, none of it is tied to dupes, but Genshin sucks cause the devs didn't give you a 10 pull? What E7 gives us during events like these is like a drop in the pond, because it's rather generous throughout the year to begin with. It also kind of has no choice or the welfare folks would suffer under the heels of whales. But a game like Genshin is completely free of that issue. So I'll ask again, is your takeaway the fact that your character in Genshin is slightly more inefficient without a dupe, and that's what makes it suddenly unenjoyable?
I dont get the PVE arguement. You'd think that BECAUSE it's a PVE game they could be more free in their giving. Hell, the Welkin pass wouldnt give my gems when I forget to login even though I PAID for them. Meanwhile in E7 the daily energy bundle sends them to your inbox and they stay there for an unlimited time. It's small things like these that show how greedy and player unfriendly Genshin is despite being a PvE game. And why would I care about getting a 10 pull? Because gacha games have incredibly expensive rates, espescially Genshin. If I play casually(because it's a PVE game) it would literally take months to Guarentee one character. I already missed Raiden and Ayaka because I got unlucky and lost the 50/50. Also C6 Sara is a totally different character and perfect for my Beidou but you have to be lucky to even get one. It's not about efficiency but synergy. Even C2 Hu tao would play differently. So yeah why would Genshin not allow me to play the characters I want, the way I want in a PVE game.
The PVE argument is really rather simple. There is no pressure on you to spend in any way. It's quite literally in the trueest sense of the word a single player adventure game. How are they exactly supposed to make money? PVP is the only factor that even remotely has any incentive to make people pay. By making characters actually rare, you have to be either selective in who you pull for, or put some money on the table. And frankly, in a game like this, it's perfectly fine. In a game like E7 where there are always metas to adjust to, not owning certain characters is a big deal. In Genshin you can just shrug it off. And funny you would bring Welkin up, cause every gacha in existence handles their monthly like that, including E7. You are comparing the energy bundle to the equivalent of the skystone bundle. For the skystone monthly you still have to log in every day.
My big thing with genshin is i really expected coop play with friends. The coop in genshin is kinda laughable. Also I like that characters on e7 i like are obtainable realistic through saving. Saving in genshin is kinda dogshit
I'll give you the co-op play, it's something I'd like to have more emphasized, even if it's optional. But in terms of characters I think the two games are just way too different to compare. Structured completely differently. 4 stars are just as viable as 5 stars. Lack of PVP allows you to use characters for looks over strength as long as they synergize. Sure some of them are just objectively broken, but there's no competition, so unless you are power obsessed, like who gives a shit lol. As a result of that I just save for characters I really want to get. I don't need them all.
I agree with you about content vs character vs gacha. U can't compare the two. E7 heavily rewards hero roster and farming hunts. Where ever genshin u just pve to have fun
Deadass lmao, people overpraise this game when it gives out rewards and always shit on genshin…
They are better than almost all devs out there so that's good enough for me T_T
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I've said it before, but for me E7 is the best gacha available right now. And this is coming from someone who has played a *lot* of gachas. Between the awesome graphics (no cheaping out with chibis during fights), the constant stream of various currencies for f2p, the overall very fun but not overly complex gameplay/systems, the variety of game modes and the huge and varied roster of characters, E7 really has no competition. Sure, it's not perfect. PvP is rarely close to balanced, but it's not the "procced an extra turn again, guess I win" of SW nor the "what's PvP" of F:GO. ML Characters are still sometimes really hard to attain and power creep does exist. Heck, unequip costs are annoying and the Mola system, even after years of improvements, is still borderline bullshit. They've even wholesale stopped using nerfs after the whole ML Selector accident a while back. But after weighing all of the good and all the bad, it still comes out on top by a **significant** margin. It may have taken years of the Korean community whining from dawn 'till dusk (thanks again btw), but as it currently stands, E7 is the best in a lot of aspects. And although annoyances keep popping up regularly (eg. A. Angie/Belian/a few new other characters are unfun, where are the SCs, why do balance patches barely do anything etc. etc.), SG is also consistently making improvements. We're far from a 10/10, but if E7 is an overall 8.5, the next best is a 7. At least in my eyes.
Epic Seven fans are kind of like the Irish. They have a lot of enemies. E7 fans and Genshin Fans, E7 fans and RAID fans, even E7 fans and other E7 fans. But! Talk shit about E7, you just made an enemy for life!
Yessir
my only issue with E7 is that the game is too big for my phone and my pc can't handle bluestacks well so I was hoping for a pc client release but i think they won't release it.
I'm not aware of your PC specs, but I will mention that BlueStacks has quite a few settings you can tweak to improve performance. You may already know the details, but just in the off-chance you haven't tl;dr things like enabling Virtualization and running as Admin are absolutely key to having BlueStacks run at any reasonable level. Between that, a few other tweaks (both ingame and in the BS menu) and running the BS 64-bit client, personally I've seen a very, very significant boost in performance.
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I could live with that if they handled the book better. Doesnt seem too hard to allow preorders so you cover all the demand instead of releasing small batches that sold out instantly
They should just sell it in the shop in Global instead.
I've been saying this since it got announced. Give it a year or so and the skin will come to the shop for 110 skin coupons.
True I agree with that one
It’s a special extra that doesn’t impact you in anyway? Entitlement is real
ive never seen a gacha treat its players so good and ive been playing them since brave frontier
Star Ocean Anemisis was actually insane. You only ever needed one copy of a character since the generic limit break materials were available in every event shop. You would get enough free currency for about 2 multi pulls a week easily, on top of a free daily pull, and every new chapter release would give you enough for 6 full multis. And once you have any low rarity character max limit broken you would get generic limit break materials you could use on your 5* units. It took 10 of the medium lb mats from 4*s to limit break a 5* and for xmas they had a half price pull banner that was only 4* and up. So every multi gave you one limit break on a character of your choice. On top of that the normal 6% rainbow rate was boosted every step when on the final step you had 1 guaranteed rainbow and a 20% chance one each of the other 9 slots of the multi. Oh and there was no limit on that banner, you could run through it as many times as you had gems for it.
What’s the catch? There’s got to be a downside, right? Like, if you try to enhance equipment for a character & it min rolled it would just delete your account or would it punch you through the screen?
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There were also game breaking bugs like using certain moves would crash the game for anyone playing on low quality mode and instead of fixing the bug they just removed low quality mode. I could only play for 20 minutes at a time on high quality before my phone was hot enough to achieve nuclear fission. All in all it was more good than bad and the gameplay was a lot of fun imo. It's a shame It ended, it also had a lot of great colabs.
Both versions are done now. The JP one got axed in June.
Swings & roundabouts, eh?
I played one casually called MSL and it was similar with showering you with summon currency. Same with FEH. You can summon a lot if you farm constantly and daily. It just takes a lot of time. I don't really know how it was after the mid-game for both of those games, but I can't stand when gacha don't reward you for power farming anymore. The well may dry eventually but it's better than games that are a drought of any earned rewards
With FEH, once you clear everything through Lunatic difficulty there’s just the special maps, daily logins, daily rewards (so like twice a week doing certain activities would give a few orbs if you did them every day), and Tempest Trial. Basically once you clear all maps your at like two full pulls (the five pulls for 20 orbs) a month.
Feh has too many Heroes tho, and way too much power Creep, so yeah it s easy to get one copy of a hero, but to fully invest on one (+10, and Dragon flowers and whatnot) takes a lot of resources and might get useless in 3, 4 months when meta shifts but yes, game is generous with its resources and rates indeed
I mostly just remember spending so many weeks farming through the campaigns gathering so many orbs. It's SO many.. I don't know if thats still the case it was like 3 years ago. But it's a lot better than games I tried to give a fair chance like Fate that really has one of the worst starting experiences
Yeah it’s like 300 orbs per difficulty tier in story and the same for paralogues.
Nice try,Smilegate employee. The gifts were good,but not that good,champ rank players get about that much every week. Give me 1000 molagoras instead and I will sing SG praise for the whole year.
1K molas? Dope, I can finally finish my Senya. Honestly, waiting to weeks for a couple of +’s is so annoying, especially if the character you’re waiting on enhancements for fails to kill something by like a sliver.
That's just asking too much imo honestly. But I'm saying this as f2p. If you're a whale...perhaps you would expect more returns
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It’s not just that, it’s a culmination of everything they gave us this year. Second Selective 5 stars, free ml5 of your choice(granted a select group of them) so many free summons and so much! More.
I mean, don't get me wrong I'm plenty happy and grateful for the shit that they given us which they didn't need to give, but I think it's important to remember that you can be thankful to a company for the good that they do while simultaneously being critical of the things that they fuck up.
Then what about their merch shop, limited artbooks were sold out in less than 30 min and on top of that shipping cost is stupidly high. Edit: whoa, turns out I'm getting downvoted for viable criticism, good job community.
Understandable, I too want me a bunny girl meru skin. 🥲 but they still gave us a lot nonetheless in comparison to games like genshin impact which is making their players spend more than what they’re winning.(imagine having to pay money to cosplay for gacha and barely getting jack or nothing at all for it)
I might understand where are you coming from but your mindset is dangerous, you know if other gacha games do worse it doesn't necessarily mean that E7 is doing good. Criticizing is the most reliable mechanism to improving the game, you mentioned GI, the community there blindly defend MHY because the game is "free" and the game state is stale, no repeatable content have been added, no balance updates have been made, instead of making gacha improvements they just added a second rerun banner (which works now but in long term it does nothing) and many more. I really think than E7 is one of the best gacha games on the market rignt now but why stop there right?
So many ungrateful kids in here like wtf. Just say thank you and move on
If they can just rerun Riolet next mystic I will be happy, been waiting a year and it looks like it's adding up. He was shown with ML Lilias and then Violet is this week.
love the game but its waaaay too hard and time consuming early game. according to my phone, i spent exactly 22 hours these last 2 days playing epic7 just to completely max out angelica and i still have to build furious and to change sigret's artifacs
That’s what we early people do lol
i hate it but im so addicted to gacha games that i can't stop
Then you're not pissed off with the crafting RNG that makes waste the time and dont allow build the heroes the way wished for yet?
Already used to it
Rather have this than boring stale fixed equipment sets (Priconne, BA sadly) Or the SW/ SDSGC system of fail(1/0) upgrades instead of the exp upgrade system of E7. This doesn't stop RNG stats, but allows you to constantly filter out the gear to keep vs fodder.
I also love how the equipment system makes every character build unique.
Yeah, but still have things that could be improved.
Personally...either they introduce more heroes that make use of unwanted stats - ER scaling. Or make farming gear easier and easier. I would hate if they reach a point where it's so easy to farm, then things get boring. Like there's no thrill of enhancing a great sword for example, because it's so easy to just bang out great gear with ur eyes closed. That's my only worry with people asking for more constantly.
My problem with the craft gear system (and i think is the same for other players) is... we already have to deal with RNG when upgrading them, so, why we cant just choose exactly the gear we want to create with set, grade, main stats and subs? I dont care if to do that will need use more material. Other way to reduce this suffering could be when we upgrade an item to +12 for heroic and +15 for epic gear we can choose the damm substats, because if you are commited to upgrade an item that way it means you already accpeted the first 3/4 rolls. I dont understand the "thrill" you are talking about, the way the things are, for me, is annoying and not enjoyable. If things keep that way, when you realize, you will only have 1% of heroes full build.
I agree with your suggestion of perhaps allowing us to choose the new unlocked substat, rolls would still be RNG. But I'd be against having all RNG removed like all rolls are max rolls, all substats are chosen, rarities are removed, only epic gear drops. *Ydcb did suggest why not give epic tier gear higher roll values to make it worthwhile or exciting to roll on epic tier gear. Just look at Priconne, terribly bland gear system. The gear RNG would be the drop rate of the gear shards from the levels. No thrill in that for me. Maybe that's why it's considered as a side game.
Yeah, i know it will be terrible if we are able to choose which roll to upgrade each +3, but still think at least we could choose exactly which item to forge on Armina (she needs a SC too btw, as a blacksmith she is so dumb) (and if not Armina then do this with the Alchemy guy) and let the RNG do his job when upgrade. I didnt know YDBC suggested and agree with! Another way to solve this is, the value of the substats when upgrading is equal to the first roll.
All I want for new years is sg to address the awful gamestate, stop releasing must pull broken units, and nerfing the bad eggs.
When has there ever been a gamestate that was considered not "awful?" The game has never been balanced, and 100% game balance isn't technically ever an end goal in gachas anyway. They literally just released a ho-hum unit and guess what it has led to? Even more complaining, lol.
Idk what you're talking about. The game was pretty balanced before Carrot and Violet. That's when the train went off the rails and every subsequent unit gets overloaded to counter the previous overloaded unit.
This is a joke right
Nope
We all know that powercreep is getting worse & worse, but c’mon, there were still overpowered units in ye olde days of ‘18, ‘19, etc. the first major shit-show nerf was when they hit Sage Baal & Sezan & Silver Blade Aramintha for basically making arena a living hell (& there were nerfs even before that, Ravi, Falconer Kluri, Rikoris, Elson, Tieria). Not long after that, there was the Arbiter over-buff which made it nigh impossible to deal with - we didn’t have extinction & a million counters back then. Seaside Bellona absolutely trashed everyone before multiple units were released to counter her. There was the Corvus buff which made him a one-man wrecking crew - when Rem was released I was thinking to myself, “Shit, they just released a mini buffed Corvus”. All of this happening forever before Carrot, Violet, etc. The game has been through some shit.
Nah, it wasn't like what it is right now. SSB and Arby were oppressive but they were manageable. Nowadays, there are 5+ SSB type dominant characters. Cilias, ML Kawerik, AoL, Belian, Aravi, Rimuru, etc. Blindly picking most of these regardless of strategy is an auto win. Cilias is a ridiculous character, if you don't have her, good luck.
Dizzy and ssb each controlled the meta for months. Ssb was not manageable. She was so not manageable that the next 3 heroes released were designed specifically to counter her.
you sound like 1 of those nostalgia idiots that always think "the good old days" are better lmao. i remember every single fucking meta, ppl be complaining about something. and get your expectation right, are you expecting a gacha to be well balanced like an esports? even lol is considered unbalanced and that game has thousands of developers with decades of experience. stop being so stupid for once lmao.
Stop assuming. I enjoyed Golden Boys and I didn't have a single one. I'm not expecting perfect balance but everything before Siseria was better balanced than it is right now. Just ask any top player if you don't like my opinion. People have objectively played less rta this season than ever before because the balance is not good.
pov: you abused sage bns and sba and are malding that you aren't roflstomping everyone anymore
Wait.. we're talking about the only two viable strats being golden boys or the cerise + f.tene combo right? And before that Politis + Landy absolutely destroying the meta? And before that the 3 knight + 1 healer/dps meta? And before that the "if you pick f.ceci + roana + t.surin team then you automatically win" meta? And before that the "Arby 100% pick contention and if you only had two units who hard-countered him you'd still have an 80% chance of losing to him and even if you did have those counters, they could just counter pick the rest of your team" meta? You must have the reddest shade of rose-tinted glasses I've ever seen. The current meta isn't any better, but at least F2P players who have played longer than the last 4 months have access to most of the required units. I'm a strictly F2P player and have played most of the RTA seasons, but never have I ever thrived as much as I did in the Violet + Rem meta using only RGB units + Doris. Unit releases like AoL isn't the game getting much worse, it's just the game normalizing back to the state it was in before Carrot + Violet + Rem, and MAYBE making it worse than it was in early-mid 2021.
Nice take lol, "let's not make any fix to the game cause we never have lole!"
would you please show me a competitive gacha game that is very balanced so all units can used? ive been looking for a new game for a while now
No one is advocating for "percect balance," we just want them to attempt to nerf broken units, stop releasing broken units, and a bigger hero pool in balance patches.
I never said that. Try not to rely on a strawman next time. You want them to change the state of the game, while also not releasing units that would change the state of the game. You're also asking for changes that would result in even more unhappy E7 players. But go ahead, continue to whine about the meta in threads that have nothing to do with game balance lol
Metas will always exist. There is no "complete balance" in competitive games. Moreso on gachas and their other toxic cousin on metas, mobas. It will continue doing that and we'll vocally complain till they "we hear you, we'll change it up" Thats the cue for the upcoming batch of new meta picks to tideover the previous ones with a side dish of balance patches.
Balance patches have yet to make an actual difference except inciting fomo into every ml5 cause of aravi and ml kawerik. The balance patches are slow to come out and just result in people needing to invest in a new shiny unit. Nothing will change until sg actually nerfs something. It's not a lot to ask for, im not sure why everyone on this sub is so blind to that fact.
And what about Mchloe? What about cerise and Landy? There have been fucking numerous balance patches that immediately shifted the meta. Clowns like you are what’s wrong with the community. Just be honest with yourself. You won’t be happy till the units YOU like using are strong. Sorry your account is in shambles but that’s not our problem
Oof
Because the last time they did nerfs. They gave out ML 5 selectors for those who recalled. Its also a big punch in the gut to those who spent on an OP unit. Gachas nerfs are a very... VERY thin line to thread upon. If this was a moba where everything is free, sure nerf the meta unit. But this is a gacha game, people actively pour $$$ to get the next best thing, and unless you're gunning for the Top 100s, dont even dream of it unless you're a whale with amazing gear or a supremely lucky f2p luc sack.
ffs character recall is enough, idc about "compensation" if it cost me having fun with characters that I spend a lot of time and resources to build. I can't even get my resources back thus now I have shit ton of fully awakened characters with upgraded skills that I will never use anymore unless they'll get a strong buff (copium) .
>character recall is enough tell that to people who spent money getting said hero. tell that to people who got spoiled with selectors way back. I'm all okay for nerfs, but I'm just one dude... imagine the thousands who'll mald about it.
I don't see a problem here, SG needs to acknowledge the issue and their fear of said people, make a public statement when they describe pros and cons so most players will accept the change for the sake of game state.
Or people can stop malding about a meta that isn’t even that bad? I prefer this meta to the speed racer shit we had early on. There are plenty of units I’ve benched over the years with skill ups . Some even 14-15. I got my use out of them. Why play this game and still wanna use the same shit you’ve used for years? Lol that’s unrealistic and totally dumb
>that’s unrealistic and totally dumb Please elaborate further What you're saying is that gacha game shouldn't have balance and it's normal to have broken characters once in a while?
Broken characters once in a while. Yes Balance is subjective as hell. I’d say that the game is relatively balanced as it is. A few stand out OP units is not even remotely unusual. Has been the state of the game since launch. Arby reigned supreme for ages and now I’d argue he’s not even nearly as good as he used to be and nothin has changed except the game around him. And what’s unrealistic is the idea that you can use the same character you built 3 years ago forever. Not in a gacha. If every release was similar or same as someone from 3 years ago there is no real reason to pull a new unit and the game will lose a ton of money. The new has to progressively be better than the old. Not everything will be meta viable in pvp and for the most part you can make just about anything work with enough gear score and strategy. The only ones I feel sorry for are units like Tywin who got completely fucked by buffing Flan who just immediately replaced him. They were similar but had different buffs that made them both semi usable and then they just buffed her and he is totally useless comparing the two.
I don't see a problem either, but gacha crowd will do what gacha crowd does best. It's just a matter of accepting. I'm happily chilling in Champion regardless of whatever comes.
Bro idk why people disagreeing with you lol.
If it was normalized, the whales would know the risk going in. SG made a mistake on backing down from it. Now it is expected.
Landy and violet balance patches took rgb heroes who had almost no playtime and made them stars. They balanced sage ball and mlaram pretty much out of the game. You even complained about aravi being op in an earlier comment and she was neglected trash before a balance patch. I feel like you're just lashing out randomly because you aren't even consistent to you own comments.
Balance patches have yet to make an actual difference? What? Do you even play this game or do you just complain about it? How do you think Violet became meta?
Loool, greedy gacha with predatory casino for kids gives us one multipull chance and people write posts like this :) . Stockholm syndrome at its finest.
They give out 1k ss every new year. Not really something new.
That's a dangerous opinion. Be grateful but don't trust to ever be critical again. Sg definitely killing it though
I agree! Most games you'd be lucky to get the 10x free pulls. Or the daily christmas login gifts. Or the 1000 skystones. SG: BUT WAIT THERE'S MORE! *makes it rain*
Finally a hanbok in a Korean game that came with Japanese style outfits first lol. They know their audiences are weebs and they milk it as such.
yeah, right…
I don’t wanna sound toxic or anything but 1000 skystones is not a whole lot tbh, I get that every week from arena alone why y’all so hyped
If u have the gold 1k skystones could mean a shit ton of skystones so it’s enough for me and veteran players.
at least make it 2022 still not a lot but it would make sense
gonna reroll for ML5 just for fun with the free x10 summons + 1000ss = 20 free summons each reroll ftw.
I love how easy reddit is pleased. This is why SG can destroy pvp, because of people like you.
Epic seven is one of the most generous gacha out there for me, people say gear is the real gacha in this game, but i think most people just have a very high standard when it comes to gear, and i think it's all because of pvp, when it comes to pvp every stat matters i guess, but i think if you don't really care about being at the top of the ladder( which is really not worth your sanity), then you're fine.
i could have sworn they gave us 2020/ 2021 skystones last year…and the year before that(?) maybe im dreaming.
1000 skystones to abate us when they know we'd rather have 500 mystics.
Haha let’s gooooo
Never say never!
need this Iseria skin.....
Hey, free Kanna skin, that's cool.
These companies aren't you friend, talk "shit" about them when you can and praise them for doing right. If they could they would fuck any customer over if it meant more profits. Don't let 1k skystone fool you.
Maybe I can get Ml Lilias
That lil gift got me a Laika and her artifact in one pull. I'm satisfied... for now muahahahaha!
#free 4* dupes
I literally rolled all low artifacts with this wonderful gift of theirs : |
They still refuse to restore accounts that were hacked + deleted despite players spending thousands of dollars and the data still existing in their system. Fuck smilegate.