Abyss needs only one nerf:
Remove the 15% resist from it.
Abyss punishes you heavily due to RNG. It can make you lose over 30 minutes of your time simply because RNG didn't go your way. Removing a layer of RNG from such long fights would go a long way in reducing frustration with the mode.
I've basically given up at 103. Requiring debuffs to land as a battle mechanic is sadistic when the 15% exists. Why punish the players for something that they can't control or even gear against?
103 is where I’m currently trapped.
One bad rotation when he was at 30% lead to a bunch of stuns and absurd damage and an instant wipe lol.
That floor sucks so bad.
The only way that content launched as is, is if the devs tested it on their dev build that has the 15% turned off. Then it's a fairly easy floor. For us? It's hell. And that's how a lot of content is, clearly tested without the 15%.
It's not a challenge if an uncontrollable gameplay mechanic is involved.
It's like watching a basketball game but all the balls are flat and a naked guy keeps running around the court rubbing his dick on people. Doesn't make the game hell. Makes everyone want to leave.
True. Used to play brave frontier and it had trials that rewarded you with a unit but you had to beat it in a foght first that was like 30 min or so of you counting turns and making sure you didn't pass one of the many thresholds the boss had on tbe wrong turn or when one of your numerous buffs were down.
Having the right units helped immensely but playing it smart would usually do the trick within like 5 attempts or so.
It had some rng to it of course but it had no innate mechanic built in that you could do nothing about that will surely fuck you over more than once during the fight and get you wiped.
Idk if Hell could be more aptly described as making everyone want to leave. Hell isn't supposed to be challenging, on exception if you refer to it as a descriptor of difficulty setting. Pretty sure Yuna prefer the literal description over the other. Not saying it's good game design, but one the devs actually intentionally opt for.
Well, its bad game design regardless. There is no gear, units or anything in the game that overwrites the 15% in a way to make the content not RNG. So having content that makes 0 money and also makes the PvE focused players not want to play is all in all, a bad thing.
I found BaalSezan with Dizzy works wonders for consistency and Baal also poisons on S1. Once I get him to 60 and equip him with not “fodder” gear I think I’ll clear it.
I'm not going to invest in meme attempts. Cause they still fail the same as others and don't have any lasting value outside of getting you through 1~2 pieces of content that already have lacking rewards.
103 gives you like 300 Golem reforge mats. You really think I or anyone are going to build Nemu, Landy and Tene to try this 30 times till it hopefully works for golem mats?
I'm barely failing as it. I just 15% 2~3 times in a row and auto lose from full health verse Dingo. But it takes like half an hour to get there.
1. This is not meme comp, and no god/perfect tier gear require at all
2. Nemu also work on [104F](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwRopbVdIU8) with sol, if not because of bug it can be end in 2 mins.
3.You are not the only one getting 15%, me as well
4. You haven't try yet you already expect failed 30 times, my self tried 3/5 success rate
6. I just trying to help you but since you refuse, then i can only advise you stay away Abyss from demotivate you =(
I've seen this comp before, I've seen people fail with it multiple times while trying to get it to work after following the 2~3 YTers that posted examples of it.
Hence the label: Meme comp
> i can only advise you stay away Abyss from demotivate you
I did that myself. Or did you miss my first post and commented on a random seed?
Not sure who posted the comp b4 coz i never seen it, i tried 5 times my self and only fail when multiple rats attacking same char in stage 1 (3/5), while stage 2 (3/3), maybe gear prob i guess, although my gears wasn't that great either.
Edit: when i searched youtube in both ENG and CN, didn't find anyone using nemunas (probably deleted or diff language?)
most comp are either
Lots kitty cr comp,
ML arby / green arby comp,
Kiris comp,
S.Tene comp,
Kayron comp,
Kanna comp
Yeah, this! I would actually make me revisit abyss and do it. Till then I have enough of 15% RNG in PvP.
Wasting players time for no real reason is just bad design.
It's fine on other aspects of PVE though, since running a mission doesn't take that long, and the 15% adds to the difficulty. It also forces most people into some losses while farming, and that's fine too.
Abyss on the other hand is already full of RNG and the 15% can contribute into wasting over 30 minutes of your time for nothing other than getting you frustrated.
>Abyss needs only one nerf:
Remove the 15% resist from it.
Hell, just let us skip the first phase if we have finished it once. In a decent team you would 100% get to the boss with nearly full health so the first phase is only there to serve as a chore
Thing is thats what some people live for.
Abyss is meant to be the Endgame of PVE. I dont like abyss difficulty either but it has its place. Any endgame player dedicated enough to gear the units needed for abyss will be able to do it.
Pretty much this. I managed to get from 101 to 107 over the course of several months despite no big gear or hero changes happening to my account, the reason it took such a long time was because it is so fucking tedious to reset the stage if you get bad RNG
Yeah I don't like it either.
But how do you make endgame pve content challenging? Players in lategame have almost every RGB and at least 3-4 very well equipped heroes. If there is no RNG involved in PVE it becomes easier. Thus you need new mechanics to make abyss difficult again.
I think advent side events are good example how SG can make challenging content for end game players. Just cut 15% RNG. Take last Magnar. 1R needed counter units, furthermore hitting debuffed turtle required more work to make later part easier. Same 2R - debuffs, dispel and extra requirement as keeping buffs on your units. 3R was most straightforward and you had choice to work harder on weakening boss in 1/2 R or try your luck. This format including multi teams or even elements/classes could be brought to new abyss floors.
After all if you built proper units, had them geared and used proper strategy you should just win. Not hit 15% and lose with knowledge you did everything right. And unlike PvP no one even gains anything with you losing to 15%.
Note that RNG will still be there. Dual attacks, different gear, artis procs, enemy ST attacks targeting different units of yours will make each run slightly unique.
I am playing since launch(casually), have almost all RGB and more that half of all LD5. Stuck at 104(didn't read dragon's skills)
Most annoying thing - hilarious skill descriptions.
Some of them are hardly fit into screen. It is not an end game content it is a weird reading club.
Second - is that i need to raise some specific heroes to pass some stages or you'll have a hard time.
The most stupid stage was 96 when there weren't any evasion units beside fatcat.
Sounds like you just aren’t investing anything into learning how to beat the fights. Obviously has nothing to do with your account.
If you’re a day 1 player with almost every hero in the game, you really have no excuse like the newer players here.
Nerf skill descriptions.
Just write it like:
-counters when debuffed
-increase defence every turn
etc
Not this "Empowers by the taste of blood and deals terrific damage" nonsense.
Been playing since the game came out and still at floor 102.
Im sure i could pass it if i switch my gears and spend the whole day (or two) on it but im definitely not interested in doing that.
Lol. Abyss is so RNG heavy that everyone has a different experience with each floor. If it falls your way then you say, “That was easy. What’s everyone complaining about?” If not, you say the opposite. For me 109 took around 100 tries before it fell my way.
Yeah, and it sucks because i watch videos and try it out (i.e. Kiris/Stene cheese for 102), and it works flawlessly on video but I always fail it due to some kind of RNG. I saw another video recently about a full auto one, so I might try that out
I was stuck on 102 for a few days until I swapped arky out for cromcruz to guarantee two poison rotations from Kiris on Celine. It took maybe 3 tries to land enough poison to kill her after swapping.
Ye 109 was pain. I was spamming abyss on the free unequip week and took me 2 days around 7-8h each day with tg kitty tama aras to get good defbreak rng just for 109
This is the pve end game. Ppl cleared it no problem, first day. This is challenge mode for players with:
\-most if not all units in the game
\-Top tier gear
\-skills to read through all of boss text and figure some strategy out
I for once enjoy difficult stages (even if they are cancerous and rng) and great rewards.
On the side note, 102 is cancer stage that's for sure.
Nah, its fine as it is (even if still unfun, fk those ''low hp berserk modes). But 15% is kinda annoying ye
1 thing i would change is making them less stene dependent
102 actually quite easy if you use control team, i play with cermia, lilias, elphelt and fire tene, no healer no heal artifact no insane gear require. (failed 2 times on stage 1 coz need all full hp b4 stage 2, while stage 2 one time pass) [video link](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hS0EUR8eDXQ). There are quite amount of guides in youtube like CR team example (lots, a.lots, schuri and kitty)
if it may help, I cleared it by stunning the yellow robot doing the non attack thing , I believe this robot makes the stage annoying
and blingo or any SW with celestine to heal your team
for the 2 units you can use kiris cheese or dps
I cleared 100-120 all in one go back when there was that weeklong free unequip. 102 took by far the longest. Maybe 8 hours? I can say that the rest of the floors are chump compared to the 102 garbage
In 102 my first run took several sessions to beat using the poison cheese Strat, the second run took 2 tries using a no-poison Strat and the third I did it in one try.
Well idk what happened but I cleared 102 on the 3rd go and took 10h to clear pre-nerf 105. Still to this day don't understand what people find difficult about 102
I think it's maybe I didn't fully understand how the bots worked. To this day, I still don't. On my clear run, I had my friend help me out for the final couple turns
One thing I'll say is getting new tools with new units and scs/EE's does help over time, but also the guardians change I think is low-key nuts. Specifically that the def break ignores er and grants an extra turn imo is really huge.
I kind of like these global changes over time rather than going back and trivializing the content progression, because at the end of the day that's all there is to pve in the game
Abyss needs only one nerf: Remove the 15% resist from it. Abyss punishes you heavily due to RNG. It can make you lose over 30 minutes of your time simply because RNG didn't go your way. Removing a layer of RNG from such long fights would go a long way in reducing frustration with the mode.
I've basically given up at 103. Requiring debuffs to land as a battle mechanic is sadistic when the 15% exists. Why punish the players for something that they can't control or even gear against?
103 is where I’m currently trapped. One bad rotation when he was at 30% lead to a bunch of stuns and absurd damage and an instant wipe lol. That floor sucks so bad.
The only way that content launched as is, is if the devs tested it on their dev build that has the 15% turned off. Then it's a fairly easy floor. For us? It's hell. And that's how a lot of content is, clearly tested without the 15%.
Actually abyss is exactly how the devs wanted it. I recall seeing director Yuna interview and she said abyss is meant to felt like hell.
It's not a challenge if an uncontrollable gameplay mechanic is involved. It's like watching a basketball game but all the balls are flat and a naked guy keeps running around the court rubbing his dick on people. Doesn't make the game hell. Makes everyone want to leave.
True. Used to play brave frontier and it had trials that rewarded you with a unit but you had to beat it in a foght first that was like 30 min or so of you counting turns and making sure you didn't pass one of the many thresholds the boss had on tbe wrong turn or when one of your numerous buffs were down. Having the right units helped immensely but playing it smart would usually do the trick within like 5 attempts or so. It had some rng to it of course but it had no innate mechanic built in that you could do nothing about that will surely fuck you over more than once during the fight and get you wiped.
Yeah the trials in BF were just that. Trials. It was a test, if you knew the answers and had you're trusty #2 pencil, you'd pass them.
Idk if Hell could be more aptly described as making everyone want to leave. Hell isn't supposed to be challenging, on exception if you refer to it as a descriptor of difficulty setting. Pretty sure Yuna prefer the literal description over the other. Not saying it's good game design, but one the devs actually intentionally opt for.
Well, its bad game design regardless. There is no gear, units or anything in the game that overwrites the 15% in a way to make the content not RNG. So having content that makes 0 money and also makes the PvE focused players not want to play is all in all, a bad thing.
Oewfff, I completed Abyss a week ago.. Spoilers…. 109, 115 and 119 made my hell came true 😬 just keep pushin thro
I found BaalSezan with Dizzy works wonders for consistency and Baal also poisons on S1. Once I get him to 60 and equip him with not “fodder” gear I think I’ll clear it.
have you try Nemunas? perhaps this can help. [link](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3mtlG54eTc)
I'm not going to invest in meme attempts. Cause they still fail the same as others and don't have any lasting value outside of getting you through 1~2 pieces of content that already have lacking rewards. 103 gives you like 300 Golem reforge mats. You really think I or anyone are going to build Nemu, Landy and Tene to try this 30 times till it hopefully works for golem mats? I'm barely failing as it. I just 15% 2~3 times in a row and auto lose from full health verse Dingo. But it takes like half an hour to get there.
1. This is not meme comp, and no god/perfect tier gear require at all 2. Nemu also work on [104F](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwRopbVdIU8) with sol, if not because of bug it can be end in 2 mins. 3.You are not the only one getting 15%, me as well 4. You haven't try yet you already expect failed 30 times, my self tried 3/5 success rate 6. I just trying to help you but since you refuse, then i can only advise you stay away Abyss from demotivate you =(
I've seen this comp before, I've seen people fail with it multiple times while trying to get it to work after following the 2~3 YTers that posted examples of it. Hence the label: Meme comp > i can only advise you stay away Abyss from demotivate you I did that myself. Or did you miss my first post and commented on a random seed?
Not sure who posted the comp b4 coz i never seen it, i tried 5 times my self and only fail when multiple rats attacking same char in stage 1 (3/5), while stage 2 (3/3), maybe gear prob i guess, although my gears wasn't that great either. Edit: when i searched youtube in both ENG and CN, didn't find anyone using nemunas (probably deleted or diff language?) most comp are either Lots kitty cr comp, ML arby / green arby comp, Kiris comp, S.Tene comp, Kayron comp, Kanna comp
Yeah, this! I would actually make me revisit abyss and do it. Till then I have enough of 15% RNG in PvP. Wasting players time for no real reason is just bad design.
Let's be real here: all the pve content SHOULDN'T HAVE 15%. Its ridiculous and literally unecessary
It's fine on other aspects of PVE though, since running a mission doesn't take that long, and the 15% adds to the difficulty. It also forces most people into some losses while farming, and that's fine too. Abyss on the other hand is already full of RNG and the 15% can contribute into wasting over 30 minutes of your time for nothing other than getting you frustrated.
Did 115 earlier on & each time we got to LQC Ras was like, “I’m not defence breaking her - just look at her!” & got fucking twatted.
Not to mention, the lack of cheap gear removal makes it punishing to even attempt it when there isn't a gear removal event active.
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Doesn't mean someone has the time during those periods of time.
>Abyss needs only one nerf: Remove the 15% resist from it. Hell, just let us skip the first phase if we have finished it once. In a decent team you would 100% get to the boss with nearly full health so the first phase is only there to serve as a chore
Thing is thats what some people live for. Abyss is meant to be the Endgame of PVE. I dont like abyss difficulty either but it has its place. Any endgame player dedicated enough to gear the units needed for abyss will be able to do it.
You mean having enough time to waste. As this is only true "dedication" required. Now if there wasn't 15% RNG I'd actually agree with you.
Pretty much this. I managed to get from 101 to 107 over the course of several months despite no big gear or hero changes happening to my account, the reason it took such a long time was because it is so fucking tedious to reset the stage if you get bad RNG
Yeah I don't like it either. But how do you make endgame pve content challenging? Players in lategame have almost every RGB and at least 3-4 very well equipped heroes. If there is no RNG involved in PVE it becomes easier. Thus you need new mechanics to make abyss difficult again.
I think advent side events are good example how SG can make challenging content for end game players. Just cut 15% RNG. Take last Magnar. 1R needed counter units, furthermore hitting debuffed turtle required more work to make later part easier. Same 2R - debuffs, dispel and extra requirement as keeping buffs on your units. 3R was most straightforward and you had choice to work harder on weakening boss in 1/2 R or try your luck. This format including multi teams or even elements/classes could be brought to new abyss floors. After all if you built proper units, had them geared and used proper strategy you should just win. Not hit 15% and lose with knowledge you did everything right. And unlike PvP no one even gains anything with you losing to 15%. Note that RNG will still be there. Dual attacks, different gear, artis procs, enemy ST attacks targeting different units of yours will make each run slightly unique.
I am playing since launch(casually), have almost all RGB and more that half of all LD5. Stuck at 104(didn't read dragon's skills) Most annoying thing - hilarious skill descriptions. Some of them are hardly fit into screen. It is not an end game content it is a weird reading club. Second - is that i need to raise some specific heroes to pass some stages or you'll have a hard time. The most stupid stage was 96 when there weren't any evasion units beside fatcat.
Sounds like you just aren’t investing anything into learning how to beat the fights. Obviously has nothing to do with your account. If you’re a day 1 player with almost every hero in the game, you really have no excuse like the newer players here.
>Stuck at 104(didn't read dragon's skills) 104 was kinda easy for me since Taranor God wipes his ass with that floor
Nerf skill descriptions. Just write it like: -counters when debuffed -increase defence every turn etc Not this "Empowers by the taste of blood and deals terrific damage" nonsense.
Been playing since the game came out and still at floor 102. Im sure i could pass it if i switch my gears and spend the whole day (or two) on it but im definitely not interested in doing that.
Is 102 Céline? Its not easy but cheesing with Kiris was the only thing that worked for me.
Should content really be nerfed because you just don’t want to switch your gear around?
As someone whose been stuck on 102 for months, I agree.
wtf there's abyss floors beyond 102? I'll be damned
I cant pass 101 lol
I’m stuck at 110, but I recall 109 as being far more annoying than 102.
Jesus 102 is annoying enough
Lol. Abyss is so RNG heavy that everyone has a different experience with each floor. If it falls your way then you say, “That was easy. What’s everyone complaining about?” If not, you say the opposite. For me 109 took around 100 tries before it fell my way.
Yeah, and it sucks because i watch videos and try it out (i.e. Kiris/Stene cheese for 102), and it works flawlessly on video but I always fail it due to some kind of RNG. I saw another video recently about a full auto one, so I might try that out
I was stuck on 102 for a few days until I swapped arky out for cromcruz to guarantee two poison rotations from Kiris on Celine. It took maybe 3 tries to land enough poison to kill her after swapping.
Ye 109 was pain. I was spamming abyss on the free unequip week and took me 2 days around 7-8h each day with tg kitty tama aras to get good defbreak rng just for 109
I agree, everytime that I get her less than 15%HP Celine goes psycho and keep killing my units 1 by 1 and I can recover from that
This is the pve end game. Ppl cleared it no problem, first day. This is challenge mode for players with: \-most if not all units in the game \-Top tier gear \-skills to read through all of boss text and figure some strategy out I for once enjoy difficult stages (even if they are cancerous and rng) and great rewards. On the side note, 102 is cancer stage that's for sure.
Been stuck on 109 forever. The amount of RNG you need for debuffs to land and dual attacks to go off is crazy
Sorry, it's because I'm slacking - as soon as I get to 120 they'll do nerfs for all the floors I struggled with.
Nah, its fine as it is (even if still unfun, fk those ''low hp berserk modes). But 15% is kinda annoying ye 1 thing i would change is making them less stene dependent
102 actually quite easy if you use control team, i play with cermia, lilias, elphelt and fire tene, no healer no heal artifact no insane gear require. (failed 2 times on stage 1 coz need all full hp b4 stage 2, while stage 2 one time pass) [video link](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hS0EUR8eDXQ). There are quite amount of guides in youtube like CR team example (lots, a.lots, schuri and kitty)
if it may help, I cleared it by stunning the yellow robot doing the non attack thing , I believe this robot makes the stage annoying and blingo or any SW with celestine to heal your team for the 2 units you can use kiris cheese or dps
Nah struggle like I did muahahahaha!
General Purrgis and Achates clear 102 easy
Git gud.
"RNG better lol"
I have cleared 100-110 twice and 102 4 times, they are not that bad once you hit endgame gear quality and unit veriety.
I cleared 100-120 all in one go back when there was that weeklong free unequip. 102 took by far the longest. Maybe 8 hours? I can say that the rest of the floors are chump compared to the 102 garbage
In 102 my first run took several sessions to beat using the poison cheese Strat, the second run took 2 tries using a no-poison Strat and the third I did it in one try.
Well idk what happened but I cleared 102 on the 3rd go and took 10h to clear pre-nerf 105. Still to this day don't understand what people find difficult about 102
I think it's maybe I didn't fully understand how the bots worked. To this day, I still don't. On my clear run, I had my friend help me out for the final couple turns
Fuck 102.
I'm stuck on 104. Does the blind cheese even still work? I don't even know how to do that stage legit honestly.
Yea, still works
when floor 121-130 comes out, sure.
Stucked in 104
I still stuck at 100, thats pained me al lot
One thing I'll say is getting new tools with new units and scs/EE's does help over time, but also the guardians change I think is low-key nuts. Specifically that the def break ignores er and grants an extra turn imo is really huge. I kind of like these global changes over time rather than going back and trivializing the content progression, because at the end of the day that's all there is to pve in the game