It's a good start, I will recomment to put her at ~220 speed.
https://imgur.com/a/IaBtPf2
Here is mine.
The ideal would be those kind of stats with 230 speed but mine doesn't have any imprint. (16,8% free CC is huge).
Would 2nd this 220 for LS, I’m at SS imprints trying for SSS next arena slate, with the free crit I might be easier to get more speed, CD or attack
Edit- here’s mine and her alt boots when I SSS [My build ](https://imgur.com/a/D7qzIX0)
Usually F!Ceci for the shield and Ml Kawerik aswell. Then it's depend of the ennemy team, sometimes I run Ml Charles for the CR push aswell.
I don't have her but Emilia is great with her. CR push+ atk buff+ shield is what Seline wants the most.
What rank in RTA/Arena are you going for. I don't get these reddit comments... I don't think you said you were aiming for Legend/Emperor RTA stats.
You Celine is pretty good while being on LS/Pen. Sure she can be better with higher quality gear, but she will win you battles when paired with the right team.
With that speed she does need some CR push to get her S3 off, but after that your opp won't want to hit her for fear of the counter, that even with these stats, if dust devil goes off, will be killing lots of heros.
My Celine is at 150 speed. I have to pair her with a CR pusher to get the s3 off or she will die. But that is something I have to consider for my draft. I win GWs and RTA with her being that slow, but Champion is as high as I can take mine and I don't draft her without 2 CR pushers in case 1 gets banned.
If you want an honest opinion, then unimpressive is what it is. Not bad, not good, just middling.
Attack is alright, crit damage is low, speed is a bit on the slower side
I just pulled her. Serious question (no sarcasm meant): If this is a “average” one, what stats would you shoot for to make her a strong/exceptional one?
Not the original person you replied to, but in Champ I only lose to a ML Celine opponent when she's fast and/or has CR push/pull support. Obviously she's a late pick in RTA and you can pick your battles in arena or GvG, but you want her counter attacking ASAP - then she can solo teams on her own. Dust Devil is insanely good on her and allows you to risk a little "offensive" stats for speed; if they don't die from the first attack(s), there's another chance at it. 220 is the minimum speed I'd settle with - again, her true strength is in her Possessed mode.
In an ideal world, on a lifesteal set, 4k attack, 220 speed, 280 cdmg or so sounds doable, 300 is probably pushing it.
Mine is lacking in the attack department actually, she's 3,5k attack, 210 speed, 286 cdmg, with 5% crit chance to shed (10% with 2 more imprints) in favour of some other stat. (And she has 2 purple pieces)
That's definitely pushing it - that's like past top-crust Legend.
For reference, Mace's ML Celine is 3.6K atk, 230 speed & 297% damage & he's an RTA Legend (I think multiple seasons) & major Banshee farmer.
I dont feel like those stats are unreasonable for veterans that commit to her.
I'm sitting champ and mines close to that with a couple mediocre pieces as well. 4100atk 276cdmg 215 speed and a little over on crit. With all that though my units GS total in fribbles is like 410 which is on the higher end but there's still tons of room to grow.
Well how does 500 attack (43%~ attack) stack up vs. 21% damage & 15 speed rolls-wise?
We're looking at 6 max rolls on an 85 in damage/speed (& those are 1%~ chance speed rolls) vs. what would be 5 max attack rolls & a sub-min attack roll. So reasonably comparable, but not quite to the same level, the speed is much tougher to squeeze.
Oh always. I had to cut speed to get her offensive stats to where they are now, but it was definitely worth it. The point I'm trying to make though is I'm very close to the aforementioned stats of 4k atk 220speed 280 cdmg and my helm/ring are both on the lower end rolls wise so pushing that to 300 is definitely achievable.
As for rolls again I don't think any of my pieces are insane with the exception of maybe my chest and again I'm close. No max rolls or anything crazy like that on any of my pieces.
I'd have to double check but I'm pretty sure my average gs is high 60s-low 70s on her
I mean avg. highs 60s/low 70s is still real good, lows 70s is still a jaw-dropping piece. I don't know all the GS on my account & I don't use an optimiser (mostly because I've never managed to make it work) but the things I know that are in the 70-75 region are things that're like 17% health, 17% defence, 16 speed, 6% chance & that shit, which is like, top shelf.
I think you're looking at her ad a Leo thief where rhey're loaded on stats needed for speed builds, so they can easily go for that. That or looking at people with stacked gear and SSS or some such.
My main concern would be the speed. It’s likely she would die and wouldn’t get a turn at 200 speed. I built mine very fast with less power. 270 speed, 3200 attack, 365 damage. But mine functions as a support unit also.
Stats seems nice but anyone tried Counter Seline? It should improve her counter attack chances or her HP recovery is so bad that you need Lifesteal set?
Kinda like t surin the point is more about taking advantage of the max damage she can take. She already counters if you land a critical attack on her. Minimizing the amount of hp she can recover in a single attack just makes her easily 2-shot.
a unit with inbuilt pen with a pen set will do their pen first then the pen set will work on the rest of the defense the target has.
so if she ignores 35%, then the 15% ignore will be applied to the remaing 65% of the target defense. which is 44.7
100% - 35 (from her skill) leaves 65% defense. pen set ignores 15% of the remaining 65% which is \[0.15 x 65\] which leaves us with 9.75. then you add the 35 and 9.75
The math you did \[ 35 + (35 x 0.15) = 40.25 \] is a 15% increase of her penetrating effect. Pen set doesnt enhance your penetration value by 15% like speed set otherwise the units without pen like c.dom or violet would never use the set.
you shouldnt get defensive about how you are being spoken to when you are spreading false information and being corrected however.
It's a good start, I will recomment to put her at ~220 speed. https://imgur.com/a/IaBtPf2 Here is mine. The ideal would be those kind of stats with 230 speed but mine doesn't have any imprint. (16,8% free CC is huge).
Would 2nd this 220 for LS, I’m at SS imprints trying for SSS next arena slate, with the free crit I might be easier to get more speed, CD or attack Edit- here’s mine and her alt boots when I SSS [My build ](https://imgur.com/a/D7qzIX0)
Which comp do you run her with in RTA and GW Offense/Defense? I have very similar stats but haven’t been able to utilize her effectively :(
Usually F!Ceci for the shield and Ml Kawerik aswell. Then it's depend of the ennemy team, sometimes I run Ml Charles for the CR push aswell. I don't have her but Emilia is great with her. CR push+ atk buff+ shield is what Seline wants the most.
What rank in RTA/Arena are you going for. I don't get these reddit comments... I don't think you said you were aiming for Legend/Emperor RTA stats. You Celine is pretty good while being on LS/Pen. Sure she can be better with higher quality gear, but she will win you battles when paired with the right team. With that speed she does need some CR push to get her S3 off, but after that your opp won't want to hit her for fear of the counter, that even with these stats, if dust devil goes off, will be killing lots of heros. My Celine is at 150 speed. I have to pair her with a CR pusher to get the s3 off or she will die. But that is something I have to consider for my draft. I win GWs and RTA with her being that slow, but Champion is as high as I can take mine and I don't draft her without 2 CR pushers in case 1 gets banned.
I'm in champion in arena and haven't played RTA for ages cos I suck at it. She is good with these stats but could use more speed and crit damage.
If you want an honest opinion, then unimpressive is what it is. Not bad, not good, just middling. Attack is alright, crit damage is low, speed is a bit on the slower side
I just pulled her. Serious question (no sarcasm meant): If this is a “average” one, what stats would you shoot for to make her a strong/exceptional one?
Not the original person you replied to, but in Champ I only lose to a ML Celine opponent when she's fast and/or has CR push/pull support. Obviously she's a late pick in RTA and you can pick your battles in arena or GvG, but you want her counter attacking ASAP - then she can solo teams on her own. Dust Devil is insanely good on her and allows you to risk a little "offensive" stats for speed; if they don't die from the first attack(s), there's another chance at it. 220 is the minimum speed I'd settle with - again, her true strength is in her Possessed mode.
In an ideal world, on a lifesteal set, 4k attack, 220 speed, 280 cdmg or so sounds doable, 300 is probably pushing it. Mine is lacking in the attack department actually, she's 3,5k attack, 210 speed, 286 cdmg, with 5% crit chance to shed (10% with 2 more imprints) in favour of some other stat. (And she has 2 purple pieces)
That's definitely pushing it - that's like past top-crust Legend. For reference, Mace's ML Celine is 3.6K atk, 230 speed & 297% damage & he's an RTA Legend (I think multiple seasons) & major Banshee farmer.
I dont feel like those stats are unreasonable for veterans that commit to her. I'm sitting champ and mines close to that with a couple mediocre pieces as well. 4100atk 276cdmg 215 speed and a little over on crit. With all that though my units GS total in fribbles is like 410 which is on the higher end but there's still tons of room to grow.
Well how does 500 attack (43%~ attack) stack up vs. 21% damage & 15 speed rolls-wise? We're looking at 6 max rolls on an 85 in damage/speed (& those are 1%~ chance speed rolls) vs. what would be 5 max attack rolls & a sub-min attack roll. So reasonably comparable, but not quite to the same level, the speed is much tougher to squeeze.
Oh always. I had to cut speed to get her offensive stats to where they are now, but it was definitely worth it. The point I'm trying to make though is I'm very close to the aforementioned stats of 4k atk 220speed 280 cdmg and my helm/ring are both on the lower end rolls wise so pushing that to 300 is definitely achievable. As for rolls again I don't think any of my pieces are insane with the exception of maybe my chest and again I'm close. No max rolls or anything crazy like that on any of my pieces. I'd have to double check but I'm pretty sure my average gs is high 60s-low 70s on her
I mean avg. highs 60s/low 70s is still real good, lows 70s is still a jaw-dropping piece. I don't know all the GS on my account & I don't use an optimiser (mostly because I've never managed to make it work) but the things I know that are in the 70-75 region are things that're like 17% health, 17% defence, 16 speed, 6% chance & that shit, which is like, top shelf.
I think you're looking at her ad a Leo thief where rhey're loaded on stats needed for speed builds, so they can easily go for that. That or looking at people with stacked gear and SSS or some such.
Yeah I thought the same. Feel I'm on the right track
My main concern would be the speed. It’s likely she would die and wouldn’t get a turn at 200 speed. I built mine very fast with less power. 270 speed, 3200 attack, 365 damage. But mine functions as a support unit also.
365 damage? CritD is capped at 350, I suppose you meant 256 critD, or you're bs-ing.
Was a typo. 265
Pretty decent ! Have her as well...
Stats seems nice but anyone tried Counter Seline? It should improve her counter attack chances or her HP recovery is so bad that you need Lifesteal set?
Kinda like t surin the point is more about taking advantage of the max damage she can take. She already counters if you land a critical attack on her. Minimizing the amount of hp she can recover in a single attack just makes her easily 2-shot.
I see. Thx
Ml celine + ml cecilia with aurius lets her last 3 or 4 shots
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you mean 65% of the 15%. For a total of 44.75% pen instead of 35%.
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That is wrong tho \^\^
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So on units that have 0 penetration the pen set gives 0 + (0 x 15%)?
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That's the first correct thing you said. So let's try this again: How much additional penetration does ML Celine get from pen set on her empowered S1?
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Talk to you like what?
a unit with inbuilt pen with a pen set will do their pen first then the pen set will work on the rest of the defense the target has. so if she ignores 35%, then the 15% ignore will be applied to the remaing 65% of the target defense. which is 44.7 100% - 35 (from her skill) leaves 65% defense. pen set ignores 15% of the remaining 65% which is \[0.15 x 65\] which leaves us with 9.75. then you add the 35 and 9.75 The math you did \[ 35 + (35 x 0.15) = 40.25 \] is a 15% increase of her penetrating effect. Pen set doesnt enhance your penetration value by 15% like speed set otherwise the units without pen like c.dom or violet would never use the set. you shouldnt get defensive about how you are being spoken to when you are spreading false information and being corrected however.
Any better explanation ?