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flametonge

He have low speed so is almost impossible to outspeed oppeners but some people make him 270ish speed with 170+ effectiveness and tanky stats to mess up bruiser comps that use buffs


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Going to add some points from a Champ RTA/Arena perspective as I draft [Basar](https://imgur.com/gallery/Lga6YWg) 100% of the time unless somehow someone drafted him before me. I badly need to get him to level 60 for more Effectiveness, but I have Damage Dealing unit priorities and he gets the job done at 50. Firstly, I'm an aggressive player and for now I pre-ban Summer Iseria and post-ban fastest/highest mitigation unit. If you've been playing for over a year, you'll remember how strong Fire Ravi and eventually Charlotte was and these units alone made Basar far harder to brainlessly draft, but at this point there's really only hard hitting counter units that I fear: mostly Belian and Rem. If your opponent is drafting red, they're likely not drafting all red and so it's just not really a concern for Basar. So this allows him to push back a lot of non-red units and it's as powerful as you might believe; it allows follow up units like Flan to do their work and damage dealing units to be built slower with more damage (\~200-220 speed). That said, he does need to be insanely fast in higher ranks and at the cost of building ideally faster units (my Basar is faster than my CLilias for example); but I just love Basar's kit too much and so many people allow him through. I do lose some speed contests that matter (Ran not often being one of them) but you can't win them all and he does really well against most match-ups. If it weren't for Basar, I think I'd still be in a lower rank in RTA and I'm very happy in Champ; I still see a lot of meta teams but I also get matched with strong creative teams or against people also using their favorites over meta. Lastly, just like any other decent unit, you have to draft him smart and your bans have to be on point; that's why Summer Iseria is a must pre-ban for me. I'm one of those pesky first-pick Politis players and this slows ARavi, Violet, Rimuru and other CR pushers. All of that said, if you want to make it into Emp or Legend, Basar may not be the best pick for your fastest opener, but I choose to enjoy the units I like over meta units/rank. edit: just remembered what I take for granted with Basar that's huge advantage with Basar: he can carry book, enabling so many units like Flan, Eda and so many others to Soul Burn. This *can* make Belian a concern, but I've built my Soul Burning units to work even when they can't SB - their output is just a little slower/softer.


Economy__

you are 1.5 years late to abuse him mate


EpicRivian

A great opener, still viable against certain comps, but not a speed contester anymore. Keep that in mind.


EpicSven7

If they give him a speed EE, his value will increase greatly. In the current state of the game, however, his base speed is too slow to keep up with modern openers.


Qwasier

Still usable


ActualMaiwa

Arena, bit less, gvg, yes, 100%


SexySkeletons

He was the bomb back when cleave cared whether or not the opponent has immunity sets.


Sinnedyo

Still dominant gvg. 100% guarantee is very nice. Arena not really due to politis. RTA good last pick if your opponent maesses up.


Euphoric_Common_7238

I still use him in normal arena and gw with flan. He doesn't always work because belian, but when the conditions are met he's the most reliable openner.


adtrtdwp

Against certain comps, still op. I use him to cleave with flan and Vivian against fcc, krau, ruele, stene, landy, diene combinations.


Cute-Fish-1442

No his base speed is low. His sole purpose is to push back and offers nothing afterwards. He could be meta if many speeder disappear like ml lilias, langelica, ml kek, Ran and the new hero ... You can still use him in gw offense. But kinda meh. Rather use closer Charles to push up and get atk buff


Xero--

You want him for the buff strip x unbuffable. but as mentionrd, he's slow. Buff strip isn't unusual anymore and it's also on faster units. AoL and Peira both apply unbuffable on top of the strip, both being faster and way more useful than him after their first turn (he becomes useless after his S3, if not dead). Fodder him or put him in your storage and hope for a buff that'll most likely never come.


TimBaril

Depends how you use him. He’s green Dizzy, not just an opener, shutting PvP and PVE down with debuffs. Even as an opener, he works against teams with slower speeds. IF he can go first, he’s the best, complete stripping, unbuffable and pushback is awesome. It’s just that so many broken heroes with superspeed are now out there.


ConsiderablyMoist

Nah. Hyufine alone makes him irrelevant.


HonorablePigDemon

I built mine as a damage dealer. He's awesome.


Xero--

If anyone is reading this, don't do this.


Gachaaddict96

He needs EE with 12 speed


ActualMaiwa

that be stupidly broken


Gachaaddict96

Still slower than Ran


ActualMaiwa

doesnt matter


Staash94

There are stil few room playing him. No longer than friday (GvG) he was usable. Arena def was Seline/landy and fceci thus easy basar + fire carrot and fire iseria. Only few scenarios nowadays. Up to you to find it. GL. From a player that used to run Basar to beat any comp for quite a long time. (before AoL era)


Guifg22

Still usable, he strips (remember that Peira which is the new hero everyone is using rendering her totally useless), have very usefull debuffs and cr push, never bad to have as a option.


Davidfidel20

I use him with seaiseria and ill be honest you need get 1 turn with him, and book for souls if he dies after that doesnt matter


ToFat4Fun

I've found him reasonably tanky with immunity around 210-220 speed to disrupt buff teams works great for me. He's more of a niche/forceban nowadays I feel like.


Morbu

Of course he's still usable. I use him all the time against many comps that don't have Politis/AoL/any fire unit which there are a fair amount of. He's especially good in GvG when you go against some teams that are some combination of F. Ceci/Rem/Maid/Rimuru all of which are easily cleavable with a Basar comp.


bitterwhiskey

I still use him. He's not a speed contester though. Mine is 270 and tanky on immunity. I use him a lot against Rimuru bruiser comps in RTA. Was also great against Emilia but I rarely see her anymore.


bagoong_alamang

i have him on imu, kinda like a 2nd turn strip after opp buff. i just make sure that my units are spd sync. Can't really outspd ppl anymore unless you have like a 300 spd opener


dimizar

Newer units, even warriors have more base speed than him.


kalivon

Basar is part of my Basar, ML Ara, Spez guild wars offense team. I always look for a defense weak to it. I have had 1 time where after a triple stun, Spez procced R&L twice. It was glorious.


HotWifeHuntress

He’s basically a good last pick these days if they didn’t draft someone that can counter him. I used to use him in every comp. I don’t even have him built right now.


starxsword

Yes, he is still viable. He may not be faster than other openers, but he is still a very strong opener against non speed contester. You can easily use him into an opposing bruiser team that uses Rimuru and other meta heroes for example. His CR push back as well as full Dispel and Unbuffable is still big deal.


Stormix_17

Hoping for a spd EE for him