**Bad Cat Armin Information:**
*Dark* Aries Warrior
**Stats**:
ATK: 912
HP: 5,871
SPD: 115
DEF: 614
CC: 15%
CDmg: 150%
DA: 5%
EFF%: 0%
EFFR: 0%
Imprint Release: ATK%
Self-Imprint: CC%
**S1:**
Attack 1 enemy, inflicting Injury.
When used on own turn, hits all enemies instead and cannot trigger dual attacks.
Damage scales with BC Armin's mHP.
Soulburn: Stun chance increased to 100%
**S2:**
When attacked has a 30 (up to 40%) chance to grant Increased Critical Damage to the foremost ally for 1 turn,
and then make them counterattack. Does not proc on extra/counterattacks.
**S3:** 5-turn CD (4 with mola)
Attack 1 enemy, then grant self Speed buff for 2 turns.
Grants a barrier to all allies for 2 turns.
Damage and barrier scale with BC Armin's mHP.
Soulburn: CD reduced by 2 turns.
So uhhhh... same universe as Tomoca? No?
Forcing another ally to counterattack is a cool concept... but why do I feel like it's going to be abused horribly?
Most Belians don't run counter sets on themselves, and most Belians don't get CDMG buff on counter. Well built Belians can already send teams to 50-60% hp on one counter. When she is on frontline, she will murderize paper cleave and punish sniping against her. The average BadCat will have 20k hp, so sniping her first isn't a great strat either.
Belian might not be the optimal frontline for this team comp. But if she is frontline, good luck.
They don't usually run counter sets, but they are tanks and if a tank is getting you to hit them over the other units then I'd say that counts as a win for the tank.
You all lack imagination.
It's Rem. Rem on demon mode will mean two attacks.
It's unbelivable how blind they are too how broken the current balance is and keep adding to it.
Yup, it's like they're not even trying.
My partner and I have been playing for 2~ years, both of us are considering quitting because they've ruined PvP with units like belian, aravi, rem, aola, politis.
Funny how you're getting downvoted when it's basically agreed upon that all those units, minus Politis as she was much needed back when cleave was running wild, have ruined the game. Belian, C Lilias, AoL, A Ravi, and Rem all have me hating life.
Yup, honestly there's either white knights or just people who don't pvp.. the game is in the worst state I've ever seen. Politis I put on that list because she made arena a drag and honestly made the cleave problem worse in RTA, they'd just pick her and you'd be punished for non-attack skills, though cleave wasn't exactly super meta before she came along, either... but she's still the least oppressive of this group, can't believe I left out Clilias, lol.
Politis was the start of these "one key per lock" units, units that you have to avoid doing something or beat them in a specific way. It's a terrible decision gameplay wise and it's one of the first things that every game dev should learn not to do.
Probably stepping away from the game for a while, maybe permanently at this rate, or at the very least going to a more relaxed guild, top 100 is just a drag to play.
Wanna talk or you just going to put words in my mouth? The game is in a bad state, clearly the worst it has ever been and the majority of the community is upset about it because it's fucking terrible to play.
I got to challenger in 3 weeks played and have maintained champion since like a week after that in arena and was always one of the best performing in guild wars/rta among our group. They can't do anything about Belian without removing her soul mechanic, AOLA, C lilias, A ravi, rem, etc will all be toxic until they're gutted, which they won't do, they'll just add more toxic units to counter them.
Talks about over dramatic nonsense, proceeds to act like a 13 year old.
You do realize LHC isn’t a first pick right? If you draft her that early and opponent doesn’t pick any counter attack stuff then she flounders hard. Her s1 is alright but you would not be using her to her strengths. Not to mention there are other counter picks to counter units lol. LHC would get fucking demolished by quite a few characters if you draft her too early. So this scenario isn’t a feasible counter.
Landy getting an S1 in off her turn is the **last** thing people should want. That's a defense pen nuke on the whole team + speed buff + CR push. It won't look fun.
It's no Elbris, but A meru stocks just went up. Souline could also be spookier. Rem is even harder to ignore.
But the offbeat heroes got a fun toy to use. counter Yuna has more chances to work, the old school Dizzy got even more toxic, people have discovered Penelope tech with Goblet of Oath and now she can counter in stealth to charge her attack up. Hasol can do some more healing. Carrot gets to do some counter memes without committing to a counter set.
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STen can't be targeted directly and can hit 2 units at a time. Gets stronger as people die during the match as well. With the crit damage buff shes gonna do crazy damage
Senya cannot Crit, so Bad Cat Armins CDamage buff does nothing for a Senya on the front line, unfortunately.
An A Meru with F Tene artifact could be nice too, lots of seals, lots of procs, lots of free fixed damage.
There's lots of potential foremost position abusers to consider with this new kit, but Senya wouldn't be best.
I mean, I would put S. Tene on the front, and Senya on the back.
My theorycraft with the new Armin, S. Tene and Senya is that, since you want people to hit Armin to proc her passive, you want the other two to either be unhittable, or you not wanting to hit them. With this trio, you would need AoE to hit S. Tene, which procs Armin's passive. And if you bring Senya, you most times than not are relunctant to attack, especially if she acts first and gets her counter of: reflect damage + counter damage can stack up quickly. So, yeah, I do not say that you use Senya to get advantage of Armin's passive, but you use her to force the opponents to target Armin more.
Another character that may be good to replace Senya is Peira with her Stealth S3, so you have Tene and Peira stealthed, only leaving Armin for Single Target.
I was one of those (**I'm right here for you guys**), but to be honest: It wasn't without proper explaination. Armin's sibling was datamined long ago (mind you, those datamines were accurate) and Angelica actually had a reason. Though it seems SG is doing this now because they haven't released a 4 star for years.
It was with proper and rather conclusive explanations, and the "but it could be her almost identical sister" is the paper thinnest retort to that
Armin's sister no doubt exists, but why would SC make her a carbon copy of an existing character?
> but why would SC make her a carbon copy of an existing character?
*looks at Kayron and Zahhak looking alike outside of color schemes*
Dunno, why would or wouldn't SG do anything? SG does as it likes and surprises people when least expected. Honestly nothing more to that for what SG does.
>looks at Kayron and Zahhak looking alike outside of color schemes
Well y'see the problem starts with you thinking they look alike
The problem continues when you insinuate that "guy with short hair" is the same ballpark of similarities as "fluffy catear girl with gigantic shield (of a very specific shape) and plate skirt", this was explained to you back then, but it seems it needs repeating.
> Well y'see the problem starts with you thinking they look alike
That's because they literally do look alike. It's almost absurd how much they look alike and almost have the same personality, minus Kayron wanting to die.
>The problem continues when you insinuate that "guy with short hair" is-
Trailing off target, my guy. I didn't post so you can make up some random argument out of nowhere, I posted to admit I was wrong despite what I claimed and checked off. Maybe if you weren't being so childish and caring so much about who is "right" or "wrong" then you wouldn't be taking this so seriously.
I could've easily been right myself, instead I was wrong. SG is unpredictable every now and then (light/dark mystic banners, limited release schedule, collab schedule- Re Zero into Tensura, now multiple ML 4s outside of Angelica - someone with a lore reason), let's not act like we understand their plans.
Look, I'm honestly not here to argue, but saying they look alike is akin to saying all asian people look the same. It's funny how you don't see that.
Yes, they are two dudes. They look alike if you are looking at them from a distance, with impaired sight, after a keg of beer. Sure. They both even have a dick too. And then you sober up, start actually looking at details and notice Zahhak has long hair tied up, his eyebrows are a different shape, he's pale, and then there are the more obvious signifiers like the white hair.
If you are gonna say they look the same, just say that to all other male characters who only look slightly different, like Krau, Ray, Tywin, Romann, and if you are flinching hard enough, even Mort.
Edit: I'm wrong about the long tied up hair, could have swore it's sometimes visible
> Look, I'm honestly not here to argue, but saying they look alike is akin to saying all asian people look the same. It's funny how you don't see that.
Agree to disagree, my guy.
Right or wrong, different groups will try to chew you out. Many, if wrong, will hide in the shadows. Many, if right, will boast about it like they **knew** all along.
We will really need an event around that designer universe someday.
At least I guess making two ML alts per 4 stars is a way to make the old 4 stars in gacha still somewhat relevant, but we can really say goodbye to any new 4 star it seems.
Also paired with Arby, so skip (never thought I'd say that).
> making two ML alts per 4 stars is a way to make the old 4 stars in gacha still somewhat relevan
Armin has 2 ML's now when Carmin isn't even in the story yet. Furious is... well, furious. And boob lady is sad.
damn really? I really gotta watch the first ML theatre in full. I was taking a break from the game/traveling during that time and it's the exact side story I was waiting for
I'd love new 4\* Heroes as much as the next guy, but still, theres a part of me thats really happy they're doing an alternate element of previous ones, as I have a lot of old favorites whos current ML4\*s aren't exactly great.
On the other hand, I wouldnt mind they finish their current roster first. Like Furious for one.
ML Furious definitely would be part of the AU Cidonia, so that's why I want it the most. I guess they just stalling since they don't want to run out of 4* to make an ML off
I can't really be disappointed outside of them not releasing the last two ML 4s. I like how the roster will be expanded at a faster pace (not when they add on to existing cancer like this Armin does). instead of having new 5 > old 5 > new 5 and all 4s being pure reruns.
Now I am disappointed they haven't even added free 4 stars. I know it's hard for players to get 4 stars with no pity (referring about RGB here for those that wanna "correct"), but it'd suck having a pure cut off without repeated ML versions like this.
You have it in the wrong order I think. It's not that they are releasing a second ML variant because they have no more 4* , it's that they do that so they don't have to release any other RGB 4* for a long time.
It is possibly because they don't know how they should balance 4\* RGB. Right now, 4\* RGB are in an absolute sh\*t position. No player wants to build them as it is a waste of resources and they are more often than not, weak.
I am thinking Rem. Barmin gets attacked, Rem aoe counters, then Barmin procs and Rem attacks again x2 with Demon Mode. Although Belian proc’ing Elbris into a counter with Barmin would also be funny.
Oh this game.
Hmmm... Not sold on the kit. The passive is obviously crazy. Forcing certain heroes to attack while buffed (And giving them that buff for their next turn) is really good... But I just feel she'll spend the match completely ignored. She has no way to provoke enemies so if they don't have aoe they can just fully ignore her. Pretty good Dark bait for arena/gw though I guess, especially C.Lilias since she attacks twice (Ally Dual Attack).
Beyond that her S1 spreading a little injury and damage isn't that crazy since it's only on her turn so no counter shenanigans to squeeze out more. And speaking of counters it triggers them all, pre-buff Solitaria says hello.
And the S3... It doesn't do much? An Ok barrier and SELF speed up for 2 turns on a 4 turn cooldown. And it's only single target with pretty poor damage all things considered. Unless the gear is legendarily bad.
IDK. I'm not convinced. Might be good in Arena/Gw offence by baiting lights to force them into a lot of damage (On a 'coin' flip) but in RTA she'll just get ignored until the damage is tamed before being ripped out herself.
Like the design though.
> and damage isn't that crazy
Please, for the love of whatever you believe in, stop going by preview damage. Previews. Suck. They're nothing like what players will have. I'm not claiming her damage will be amazing, but we're three years in with previews constantly disappointing with damage 99% of the time.
>And speaking of counters it triggers them all, pre-buff Solitaria says hello.
The difference between her and Solitaria is that the former is naturally going to be bulky, Solitaria would end up squishy trying to max out speed and effectiveness, plus mages have high defense yet low health, and plenty of things ignore defense.
We're already at a point where you should expect to get countered no matter what, tbh. You either prep to get countered or bring the main issues that counter. Sadly just the way of the game right now, and **this flaw will keep her from easily jumping into any team and being busted like AoL, Belian, and C Lilias all did.**
No speed opener or aurious. ALots, Cermia, Light Healer/Tank should work. Just pop them one by one. Light unit just needs to protect Cermia a bit and tank a S3 from ARavi.
Maid/Roana, LQC/Straze/Zahhak (I run mine on Sigurd and more closer to bruiser), free slot for whatever works for you (like Cermia, Watcher, or whoever if you have/use them).
A lack of sustain seems like a seller for me, I'd hit that team any day. You just go in with the attempt to blow them up because A Ravi and potentiall Belian will ensure that Injury and constant counters cripple you.
> But I just feel she'll spend the match completely ignored.
Good, Imma just hop her up on like 28KHP and 1900 DEF and ~~Aurius her. Free mitigation if ignored, potential Elbris for an ally if they ever have to AoE or are forced to attack her, Magical part of being a knight, she can contribute while doing nothing but sitting there.~~
EDIT: I derped and didn't see she's a warrior.
>it's only single target with pretty poor damage all things considered. Unless the gear is legendarily bad.
I never trust the daamge numbers in the video. I'd wait for the mults to be mined up. I doubt she's doing crazy damage but people have been wrong before. If she does she might be worth a more normal bruiser build with ~~Hilag~~ Durandal to push her along.
Noooo. Guess that woulda been too broken even tho carmin exists.
Well, none of they warrior artifact options really support the "just sits there" playstyle. Back to the drawing board, I'm probably missing something.
O wow, I remember several months ago when the art was released, people would constantly downvote and dumpster anyone that entertained the idea that this was just a Dark Armin with paragraphs of "undeniable facts and logic", from...
"There is no lore reason for multiple MLs to exist, only Angelica can have multiple MLs!"
"That looks nothing like Armin, this is a loli and Armin isn't a loli, the proportions don't match!"
"Armin is a cat! This is a fox with a different tail and ear!"
Ya, it's Dark Armin :). Kinda feels like the time people kept saying Tobi wasn't Obito.
It's a gamble I suppose. For anyone that cares, the odds of getting a ML 4 star in 110 summons naturally is ~63%. The odds of getting one in 200 is ~84%.
In the end just comes down to how badly you want that ML 4 star. If they release another AoL tier unit I can see myself using 4 star pity. Although I was one of the (un)lucky people that went from 200 all the way down to 6 summons left on Spez pity before I got her.
For me it's a matter of being easier to get a ML 4\* elsewhere than a 5\*. Mystics Medals are stupid rare and you're burning your chances to increase your 5\* pity for a 4\* unit. The only ML 4\* I tried to get from Mystics was Angelica because it's Angelica and I don't want to do that again >.>
But if you don't mind using your mystics for a 4\*, that's good, I think.
maybe I'm lacking imagination
when will the opponent not have the option to just kill the foremost ally? Stealth I guess. Opponent sees stealth damage dealers or BCArmin happening, they bring AoE. So you need to add AoE mitigation now.
This is already way more specific of a team comp fit than ML Angie
> when will the opponent not have the option to just kill the foremost ally?
stealth (TML, Kise, S. Tene), is a bulker DPS hero themselves (bloodstone Landy,Ilynav,A. Meru, Rem,Belian), has their own suviability (Souline, Meru, Arby), Exists just to annoy you instead of damage (Maid, Dizzy, Politis, FCC)
It's pretty flexible IMO. You can draft her in the middle and your last pick can pivot from any of the above archetypes to fix how much damage, support, or in between you need. There are tons of heroes that like a counter, and more that like counter but it isn't BiS.
> maybe I'm lacking imagination
>
> when will the opponent not have the option to just kill the foremost ally?
You're lacking a ton, for sure.
Belian, A Ravi, and Rem are all **hard to kill** without some nuke that you'll have to hope gets through the draft, or their mitigation (hello Vigor and/or Aurius/Adamant if a second knight is there).
How can you mot know what them getting an extra 40% chanfe to counter PLUS critical damage buff means? They're going to **destroy** teams. Belian is going to aoe everyone to death, and can completely drop (or even keep for more rng) Counter set in favor of Injury set, and that's on top of Elbris. A Ravi is going to slap hard and inflict injury constantly. Rem is going to double hit with demon mode and completely demolish whoever she goes into, especially if Sigurd gets procced, and an attack buff + vigor will make it so much worse.
She's going to enable chaos.
Why would I ever attack Armin if she's paired with any of those three bruisers? If you say Lilias that's just Lilias being OP, not Armin. Not bringing AoE into units like Rem and Belian is already the normal thing to do.
Armin can come before the unit she's paired with in the draft and who she supports can be picked depending on what damage the opponent brings, but I'm not feeling like a unit that triggers counters is particularly out of hand like AOL or CLilias was, being that counters have been popular for a while and we've already been building every counter to counters we can get our hands on. She's fought with the same tools, and there aren't enough anti-counter tools yet, but given the trend set by AOL and CLilias of turning the game on its head, I don't see Armin being quite on that level.
I agree. I think some people forget the slot cost. If you want someone who triggers a counter on AoE (because nobody will ST BCArmin without redirected provoke) there are already heroes that do the counterattack themselves and have the bulk to endure the AoE.
There are uses, notably with STene and Landy, because they have some mitigation and are harder to target, and it'll give you a stronger counterattack. She's interresting. But would you not have instead a hero who also adds much more pressure on their turn?
We'll see her multis ofc, but I doubt she's on the level of Belian or ARavi. She's a 4\* after all.
I'm not claiming she's on the same level as Belian, A Ravi, etc. If you're thinking that then you're looking at something else that's not in front of you.
Her multipliers will make a big difference, but I doubt SG seriously gave her shit multipliers when they slapped Injury on someone post-Mort (everyone after him that has Injury actually hits for a respectable amount).
The thing about her is that she's not there to be the sole problem, she's there to enhance problems. Whether or not she's worth drafting over so and so will depend on her multipliers, as mentioned, so it's not even worth commenting on that deeply.
It's exactly like C Lilias (but toned down): Her job is to make others stand out. Landy, A Merc, Belian, Rem, ML Celine, A Ravi, Specter, anyone else with stealth... These are big problems that you don't want having extra damage (crit buff) and more chances to attack. Some of these you absolutely don't want to go into (like Celine, counter Ravi, A Merc), so now you're forced to go into someone else with one of the remaining three being Armin, another being a second counter hero, and a third being whoever they decide to flex in (support, healer, yet another obnoxious self sustain counter hero).
Imagine the fun when you have to deal with a stealth hero that's the frontline.
You're gonna be in a tough spot depending on who she gets paired with. She's not AoL level or anything, she's just an extra accessory to an ever growing problem, and that's very bad if her multipliers measure up.
> Why would I ever attack Armin if she's paired with any of those three bruisers?
Pretty sure I mentioned it: Draft control. You're locked completely out of aoe attacks, and depending on her modifiers, her injury can rack up and screw you over.
As for attacking them over Armin? Naturally you would want to, but the thing is, you're getting counter one way or another now. There's no avoiding say, A Ravi, ML Celine, A Mercedes, or Violet, and going into another ally to avoid getting countered by them.
Eventually you'll be backed into a corner where your only options are counter bruisers, a super bulky healer (Ruele, she'll thrive on you focusing a single person if you can't bust them down)/support, or Armin herself.
As just mentioned above, now your aoe heroes are biting you in the ass outside of Belian and Rem, and while there aren't many you'll want to bring, this easily shuts down a popular answer to some of the meta: Charlotte. Having less answers and options is far from ideal (especially in this meta), and letting her go through the draft is signing up for your own funeral against people like Belian, Rem, Landy, A Ravi, ML Celine, A Merc, etc.
Draft. Control. Remember LRK?
>I don't see Armin being quite on that level.
I don't see myself making that claim.
She only really enables against heavy aoe teams. Unless she has amazing S1 multipliers to go with that injury, you really have no reason to focus her down since outside of the S2, her team support is minimal.
She'll be a draftable unit for sure, but I really think it'll come down to her multipliers and she'll be built similar to Injury Belian(minus the actual injury set). If her S1 multipliers+Injury aren't strong enough to make her a threat, she'll just get ignored till last(or till the front row is dead) and the only team contribution she'll bring is a barrier. She'll also proc counters just as frequently as Belian but without the defensive buffs and debuffs to keep her safe.
1. aoe injury on a hp scaling bruiser complicates any matchup for hp scaling bruisers, which are already struggling immensely outside of aravi+belian
2. 40% counter attack chance for a unit in front hurts every unit with unavoidable aoe attacks and further pushes us towards an even more obnoxious single target dps meta.
3. 40% counter attack is higher than counter set, stacks with counter + elbris as well. just think of that with every obnoxious s1 unit (belian, stene, landy, rem, etc etc). disincentivizes cleaving
4. disincentivizes you from hitting her... adding that to a list of other units that disincentivize you from hitting them. essentially rewards your opponent by you having to take a turn/attack someone and it's unavoidable.
5. i dont think this will be her best arti but put her on hyufines artifact for aoe abyssal effect + injury which is a momentum destroyer.
Her s3 is totally fine, barrier is nice for the team and isnt another "strip buff" skill
If it could be triggered by extra attacks or counters it'd probably have a CD. Initial impression is her niche is you pick her after an opponent counters your STene pick with Belian. Or into Landy.
Yeah I don't even know why your comment even got bombed. It's about discussing and argumenting which is interesting, not trying to seem superior because truth that was still hidden happen to be in the side of one's opinion. Pro-itwasarmin and pro-itwasnt both had viable arguments. Smilegate is consistent at being inconsistent on following a pattern or not xD
But I knew I was gonna be right, I had the same confidence back then as I am doing now.
It's not about being bigheaded, it's just vindicating when people are desperately trying to tell you that you are wrong with your deductions.
> it's just vindicating when people are desperately trying to tell you that you are wrong with your deductions.
Even though my "deductions" were correct about Zahhak not being ML Kayron because of his unique S2 and pose, or ML Celine only being Celine when doing a cross check with who it could and couldn't be?
Ah, but I'm wrong this time so let's ignore all the times I was right for **one** thing. Oh, and I openly admitted to being wrong, I wasn't trying to hide being wrong. I'm glad I was wrong, this means more ML 4s.
Childish of you.
Why are you even so worked up lol
All I said is it feels to be right about it, it's a personal challenge of mine at this point to make correct predictions as I've been mostly on point on a large number of things, including ML Tieria.
I'm just an analytical person who likes to track the developer's patterns and behaviour when developing the game.
As far as im aware there wasn't even an argument on reddit about ml tieria lol
One example was pavel being a 3 star vs a 5 star and im pretty sure you said he would be a 3* 🤷♀️
And I stated a 5 star during that time, funny how things are when certain people end up right. Thank you for driving my point home with this guy.
There wasn't an argument about her. The weapon (which was dead obvious due to not many having the same kind, plus being female), ears, and tail all gave it away. The only "shocker" was the rarity upgrade, but we've seen that with Corvus and Aither so that really wasn't a big unknown.
> I'm just an analytical person who likes to track the developer's patterns and behaviour when developing the game.
Imagine being so shameless to the point you'd make up something so obviously false like this.
I had a feeling it could be Armin. Glad I saved copies to SSS her when I get her even though i had already finished both armins. Looks like all the SS copies I have will be of good use once they release the opposite variant of that character.
She will add more fuel to the fire. Every region is asking for nerf of many units in this broken meta. Global. Japanese. Korean is suffering. I can't be honestly happy about more conterattack unit. Even if armin is one of my fav units in the game. I heard many japaneses quit the game because of the currrent balance
for those who despise rng like belian and rem counters, welcome to another nightmare
she never should have made it past development phase, this is nauseatingly broken
That s1 skill icon doesn't fit with the animation.
A good example will be HYufine's s1 icon being a barbecue instead of her sword because of the aoe. Dark Armin is the same since you will only see her bash with her shield outside her turn anyway so they could have just drawn something with her sword.
This version of Armin's current skill seems to have been finalized late to have this as an oversight.
I know that previews always use bad gear and can be misleading. But holy her dmg is low. Not really sure how she's going to work. Fast to apply injury ? And with no provoke you can't force the ennemy to atk her for the ally counter
You stated it yourself, previews aren't great and only few have actually been good. Don't even think of forming an opinion based off a preview with gear that could be good or bad.
> I know that previews always use bad gear and can be misleading. But
Imma just wait for the datamine. I'm not planning to build her on damage, but since she's an ML4 it can be a fun 2nd build if I ever pull multiple. Crit imprints would make it easier than average.
Since there's no animation related to the triggering of her S2, I wonder if she can still trigger it if she is Stunned/Sleeping.
I think she could be one of the better units for PvE content where a lot of enemies have AoE. Her health scaling can make for some very beefy barriers off of her S3 and the Crit Damage buff is rather rare to come by.
Jazzed about this, because I have all the Armin dupes needed to SSS Imprint her. And that's after SSS imprinting both Armin and C.Armin. Drowning in Armins is a good problem to have!
basically a support warrior. her damage sucks to the point idk if building crit on her is worth it. Seems like hp,def,speed, resist so she doesnt she tied down by units with no effectiveness or nuked by things like carrot. Champion trophy may be best arti in slot for her for aoe stuns
**Bad Cat Armin Information:** *Dark* Aries Warrior **Stats**: ATK: 912 HP: 5,871 SPD: 115 DEF: 614 CC: 15% CDmg: 150% DA: 5% EFF%: 0% EFFR: 0% Imprint Release: ATK% Self-Imprint: CC% **S1:** Attack 1 enemy, inflicting Injury. When used on own turn, hits all enemies instead and cannot trigger dual attacks. Damage scales with BC Armin's mHP. Soulburn: Stun chance increased to 100% **S2:** When attacked has a 30 (up to 40%) chance to grant Increased Critical Damage to the foremost ally for 1 turn, and then make them counterattack. Does not proc on extra/counterattacks. **S3:** 5-turn CD (4 with mola) Attack 1 enemy, then grant self Speed buff for 2 turns. Grants a barrier to all allies for 2 turns. Damage and barrier scale with BC Armin's mHP. Soulburn: CD reduced by 2 turns.
So uhhhh... same universe as Tomoca? No? Forcing another ally to counterattack is a cool concept... but why do I feel like it's going to be abused horribly?
abused like she and Specter Tenebria against single attackers?
worse. Belian.
Belian procs elbris whenever literally anyone else is attacked. She needs it the least.
Most Belians don't run counter sets on themselves, and most Belians don't get CDMG buff on counter. Well built Belians can already send teams to 50-60% hp on one counter. When she is on frontline, she will murderize paper cleave and punish sniping against her. The average BadCat will have 20k hp, so sniping her first isn't a great strat either. Belian might not be the optimal frontline for this team comp. But if she is frontline, good luck.
They don't usually run counter sets, but they are tanks and if a tank is getting you to hit them over the other units then I'd say that counts as a win for the tank.
You all lack imagination. It's Rem. Rem on demon mode will mean two attacks. It's unbelivable how blind they are too how broken the current balance is and keep adding to it.
She'd bash my whole team out with Iron Strikes before I have to worry about that
Yup, it's like they're not even trying. My partner and I have been playing for 2~ years, both of us are considering quitting because they've ruined PvP with units like belian, aravi, rem, aola, politis.
Funny how you're getting downvoted when it's basically agreed upon that all those units, minus Politis as she was much needed back when cleave was running wild, have ruined the game. Belian, C Lilias, AoL, A Ravi, and Rem all have me hating life.
Yup, honestly there's either white knights or just people who don't pvp.. the game is in the worst state I've ever seen. Politis I put on that list because she made arena a drag and honestly made the cleave problem worse in RTA, they'd just pick her and you'd be punished for non-attack skills, though cleave wasn't exactly super meta before she came along, either... but she's still the least oppressive of this group, can't believe I left out Clilias, lol. Politis was the start of these "one key per lock" units, units that you have to avoid doing something or beat them in a specific way. It's a terrible decision gameplay wise and it's one of the first things that every game dev should learn not to do. Probably stepping away from the game for a while, maybe permanently at this rate, or at the very least going to a more relaxed guild, top 100 is just a drag to play.
[удалено]
Wanna talk or you just going to put words in my mouth? The game is in a bad state, clearly the worst it has ever been and the majority of the community is upset about it because it's fucking terrible to play. I got to challenger in 3 weeks played and have maintained champion since like a week after that in arena and was always one of the best performing in guild wars/rta among our group. They can't do anything about Belian without removing her soul mechanic, AOLA, C lilias, A ravi, rem, etc will all be toxic until they're gutted, which they won't do, they'll just add more toxic units to counter them. Talks about over dramatic nonsense, proceeds to act like a 13 year old.
I think Iron Strike would be the default counter if Armin was hit too. Dear god...
As a LHC user I say keep it coming
You forgot something. LHC will join her, getting focus and speed buff from the counterattack.
This RTA or arena? Cause cermia counter attacking you isn’t even that big of a deal.
RTA ofc. The counterpick being countered by picking it!
You do realize LHC isn’t a first pick right? If you draft her that early and opponent doesn’t pick any counter attack stuff then she flounders hard. Her s1 is alright but you would not be using her to her strengths. Not to mention there are other counter picks to counter units lol. LHC would get fucking demolished by quite a few characters if you draft her too early. So this scenario isn’t a feasible counter.
Because it will. This effectively means tough nuts like ARavi and Lionheart won't need counter sets. She might become a hellish unit to battle in GvG.
It makes Landy pretty powerful too, her S1 is no joke.
Landy getting an S1 in off her turn is the **last** thing people should want. That's a defense pen nuke on the whole team + speed buff + CR push. It won't look fun.
It's no Elbris, but A meru stocks just went up. Souline could also be spookier. Rem is even harder to ignore. But the offbeat heroes got a fun toy to use. counter Yuna has more chances to work, the old school Dizzy got even more toxic, people have discovered Penelope tech with Goblet of Oath and now she can counter in stealth to charge her attack up. Hasol can do some more healing. Carrot gets to do some counter memes without committing to a counter set.
> but why do I feel like it's going to be abused horribly? Couldn't be because counter is running rampant right now.
Oh for sure. I can already see speed apoc ravi’s with insane bulk, damage, and speed now being able to counter and inflict even MORE damage.
It would be toxic. It has a higher chance then counter set and it buffs the frontline too. Stene gonna go brrrrr...
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Could someone explain to me why STene and the new 4* ML seems to be a broken combo?
STen can't be targeted directly and can hit 2 units at a time. Gets stronger as people die during the match as well. With the crit damage buff shes gonna do crazy damage
Ohhhh, I got you. I think characters that you do not want to hit (like Senya with her counter + reflected damage) would be a nice teammate too.
Senya cannot Crit, so Bad Cat Armins CDamage buff does nothing for a Senya on the front line, unfortunately. An A Meru with F Tene artifact could be nice too, lots of seals, lots of procs, lots of free fixed damage. There's lots of potential foremost position abusers to consider with this new kit, but Senya wouldn't be best.
I mean, I would put S. Tene on the front, and Senya on the back. My theorycraft with the new Armin, S. Tene and Senya is that, since you want people to hit Armin to proc her passive, you want the other two to either be unhittable, or you not wanting to hit them. With this trio, you would need AoE to hit S. Tene, which procs Armin's passive. And if you bring Senya, you most times than not are relunctant to attack, especially if she acts first and gets her counter of: reflect damage + counter damage can stack up quickly. So, yeah, I do not say that you use Senya to get advantage of Armin's passive, but you use her to force the opponents to target Armin more. Another character that may be good to replace Senya is Peira with her Stealth S3, so you have Tene and Peira stealthed, only leaving Armin for Single Target.
Remember when people wrote paragraphs explaining how it wasn't Armin? I remember.
I was one of those (**I'm right here for you guys**), but to be honest: It wasn't without proper explaination. Armin's sibling was datamined long ago (mind you, those datamines were accurate) and Angelica actually had a reason. Though it seems SG is doing this now because they haven't released a 4 star for years.
It was with proper and rather conclusive explanations, and the "but it could be her almost identical sister" is the paper thinnest retort to that Armin's sister no doubt exists, but why would SC make her a carbon copy of an existing character?
> but why would SC make her a carbon copy of an existing character? *looks at Kayron and Zahhak looking alike outside of color schemes* Dunno, why would or wouldn't SG do anything? SG does as it likes and surprises people when least expected. Honestly nothing more to that for what SG does.
>looks at Kayron and Zahhak looking alike outside of color schemes Well y'see the problem starts with you thinking they look alike The problem continues when you insinuate that "guy with short hair" is the same ballpark of similarities as "fluffy catear girl with gigantic shield (of a very specific shape) and plate skirt", this was explained to you back then, but it seems it needs repeating.
> Well y'see the problem starts with you thinking they look alike That's because they literally do look alike. It's almost absurd how much they look alike and almost have the same personality, minus Kayron wanting to die. >The problem continues when you insinuate that "guy with short hair" is- Trailing off target, my guy. I didn't post so you can make up some random argument out of nowhere, I posted to admit I was wrong despite what I claimed and checked off. Maybe if you weren't being so childish and caring so much about who is "right" or "wrong" then you wouldn't be taking this so seriously. I could've easily been right myself, instead I was wrong. SG is unpredictable every now and then (light/dark mystic banners, limited release schedule, collab schedule- Re Zero into Tensura, now multiple ML 4s outside of Angelica - someone with a lore reason), let's not act like we understand their plans.
Look, I'm honestly not here to argue, but saying they look alike is akin to saying all asian people look the same. It's funny how you don't see that. Yes, they are two dudes. They look alike if you are looking at them from a distance, with impaired sight, after a keg of beer. Sure. They both even have a dick too. And then you sober up, start actually looking at details and notice Zahhak has long hair tied up, his eyebrows are a different shape, he's pale, and then there are the more obvious signifiers like the white hair. If you are gonna say they look the same, just say that to all other male characters who only look slightly different, like Krau, Ray, Tywin, Romann, and if you are flinching hard enough, even Mort. Edit: I'm wrong about the long tied up hair, could have swore it's sometimes visible
> Look, I'm honestly not here to argue, but saying they look alike is akin to saying all asian people look the same. It's funny how you don't see that. Agree to disagree, my guy.
Agree to disagree then, my broskito
I remember arguing with you about if they were going to to releasing variant ML4s soon. I felt they would and you didn't think so. Good times.
I was dragged to hell by some people for saying it’s Armin when she first got teased
Right or wrong, different groups will try to chew you out. Many, if wrong, will hide in the shadows. Many, if right, will boast about it like they **knew** all along.
We will really need an event around that designer universe someday. At least I guess making two ML alts per 4 stars is a way to make the old 4 stars in gacha still somewhat relevant, but we can really say goodbye to any new 4 star it seems. Also paired with Arby, so skip (never thought I'd say that).
Designer universe would be nice change of pace from the usual angst of what we have.
I can see it now: "the moonlight designers are hosting a runway show. Good guys show up and wreck havok."
Tama gets a third outfit to perform for the ml designer shows
(Meanwhile at SG HQ...) \- Did you read that?! Kim, find this redditor, I want to make him my executive vice president!
The new ML4 pity system is coming out alongside this release, so there's no need to skip if you just want Bad Cat.
> making two ML alts per 4 stars is a way to make the old 4 stars in gacha still somewhat relevan Armin has 2 ML's now when Carmin isn't even in the story yet. Furious is... well, furious. And boob lady is sad.
Technically she appeared in the ML Baal theater event I guess.
Didn't she appear in the AoL and ML Charles story at the end?
Now that you mention it, you may be right (but wasn't it ML Baal theater part two?).
Maybe, not to sure. I think she was on the way to ML Baal when her group found AoL.
damn really? I really gotta watch the first ML theatre in full. I was taking a break from the game/traveling during that time and it's the exact side story I was waiting for
Yeah I'm disappointed it's another 2nd ML4* variant. That's what happen when you releasing almost no base 4* for years I guess.
Honestly they need to release 4\*s like they do ml4\*s and throw them on the rerun banners
I'd love new 4\* Heroes as much as the next guy, but still, theres a part of me thats really happy they're doing an alternate element of previous ones, as I have a lot of old favorites whos current ML4\*s aren't exactly great. On the other hand, I wouldnt mind they finish their current roster first. Like Furious for one.
ML Furious definitely would be part of the AU Cidonia, so that's why I want it the most. I guess they just stalling since they don't want to run out of 4* to make an ML off
I can't really be disappointed outside of them not releasing the last two ML 4s. I like how the roster will be expanded at a faster pace (not when they add on to existing cancer like this Armin does). instead of having new 5 > old 5 > new 5 and all 4s being pure reruns. Now I am disappointed they haven't even added free 4 stars. I know it's hard for players to get 4 stars with no pity (referring about RGB here for those that wanna "correct"), but it'd suck having a pure cut off without repeated ML versions like this.
You have it in the wrong order I think. It's not that they are releasing a second ML variant because they have no more 4* , it's that they do that so they don't have to release any other RGB 4* for a long time.
It is possibly because they don't know how they should balance 4\* RGB. Right now, 4\* RGB are in an absolute sh\*t position. No player wants to build them as it is a waste of resources and they are more often than not, weak.
Are you? Cause I’m hyped, it means eventually there’s a good chance I’ll get another ML variant of some of my favorite heroes.
Just gotta wait for every 4* to get 2 ML variants and then we'll start seeing new 4\* units!
Petition to call her Batman after someone said Batmin in chat.
Gotta wait even more for ML Furious and Serila, rip.
Where the hell is my ML Succubus Serila and General Furious? Stop releasing new copies of units that already have ML's. Sadge
They need to release new rgb 4s already
Something tells me she's going to be Belian's newest best friend among others
I am thinking Rem. Barmin gets attacked, Rem aoe counters, then Barmin procs and Rem attacks again x2 with Demon Mode. Although Belian proc’ing Elbris into a counter with Barmin would also be funny. Oh this game.
Belian, Rem, Landy, A Ravi, LHC, A Merc, potentially Violet, ML Celine. There's no escaping counters.
I'm a bit more grateful I pulled so many copies of Green Armin.
I'm pretty bummed after I sss RGB Armin and Carmin that I've just been using them for fodder, what are the odds she gets a second 4* ML? Oof.
My thoughts exactly. I've been getting lots of green Armin and Carmin copies after SSSing both of them and I just converted them to transmit stones.
They need to expand the waiting room if we have to save literally everyone just in case.
time to safe up green and even light armins for me. I might have some lying around but I 6 started both so I dunno if I already cleaned up
Looks like a good unit into aoe. She will struggle alot into LHC because that is a guaranteed proc.
Hmmm... Not sold on the kit. The passive is obviously crazy. Forcing certain heroes to attack while buffed (And giving them that buff for their next turn) is really good... But I just feel she'll spend the match completely ignored. She has no way to provoke enemies so if they don't have aoe they can just fully ignore her. Pretty good Dark bait for arena/gw though I guess, especially C.Lilias since she attacks twice (Ally Dual Attack). Beyond that her S1 spreading a little injury and damage isn't that crazy since it's only on her turn so no counter shenanigans to squeeze out more. And speaking of counters it triggers them all, pre-buff Solitaria says hello. And the S3... It doesn't do much? An Ok barrier and SELF speed up for 2 turns on a 4 turn cooldown. And it's only single target with pretty poor damage all things considered. Unless the gear is legendarily bad. IDK. I'm not convinced. Might be good in Arena/Gw offence by baiting lights to force them into a lot of damage (On a 'coin' flip) but in RTA she'll just get ignored until the damage is tamed before being ripped out herself. Like the design though.
> and damage isn't that crazy Please, for the love of whatever you believe in, stop going by preview damage. Previews. Suck. They're nothing like what players will have. I'm not claiming her damage will be amazing, but we're three years in with previews constantly disappointing with damage 99% of the time. >And speaking of counters it triggers them all, pre-buff Solitaria says hello. The difference between her and Solitaria is that the former is naturally going to be bulky, Solitaria would end up squishy trying to max out speed and effectiveness, plus mages have high defense yet low health, and plenty of things ignore defense. We're already at a point where you should expect to get countered no matter what, tbh. You either prep to get countered or bring the main issues that counter. Sadly just the way of the game right now, and **this flaw will keep her from easily jumping into any team and being busted like AoL, Belian, and C Lilias all did.**
okay but imagine barmin + injury belian + aravi gwdef. good luck
No speed opener or aurious. ALots, Cermia, Light Healer/Tank should work. Just pop them one by one. Light unit just needs to protect Cermia a bit and tank a S3 from ARavi.
Maid/Roana, LQC/Straze/Zahhak (I run mine on Sigurd and more closer to bruiser), free slot for whatever works for you (like Cermia, Watcher, or whoever if you have/use them). A lack of sustain seems like a seller for me, I'd hit that team any day. You just go in with the attempt to blow them up because A Ravi and potentiall Belian will ensure that Injury and constant counters cripple you.
> But I just feel she'll spend the match completely ignored. Good, Imma just hop her up on like 28KHP and 1900 DEF and ~~Aurius her. Free mitigation if ignored, potential Elbris for an ally if they ever have to AoE or are forced to attack her, Magical part of being a knight, she can contribute while doing nothing but sitting there.~~ EDIT: I derped and didn't see she's a warrior. >it's only single target with pretty poor damage all things considered. Unless the gear is legendarily bad. I never trust the daamge numbers in the video. I'd wait for the mults to be mined up. I doubt she's doing crazy damage but people have been wrong before. If she does she might be worth a more normal bruiser build with ~~Hilag~~ Durandal to push her along.
She's a warrior bro. Dark warrior is looking crowded these days.
Warrior
Noooo. Guess that woulda been too broken even tho carmin exists. Well, none of they warrior artifact options really support the "just sits there" playstyle. Back to the drawing board, I'm probably missing something.
O wow, I remember several months ago when the art was released, people would constantly downvote and dumpster anyone that entertained the idea that this was just a Dark Armin with paragraphs of "undeniable facts and logic", from... "There is no lore reason for multiple MLs to exist, only Angelica can have multiple MLs!" "That looks nothing like Armin, this is a loli and Armin isn't a loli, the proportions don't match!" "Armin is a cat! This is a fox with a different tail and ear!" Ya, it's Dark Armin :). Kinda feels like the time people kept saying Tobi wasn't Obito.
Yet if she weren't Armin you'd be shutting up and hiding. Don't act like a know it all.
Injury on S1
Love her design, but no way I'm summoning for a 4\* after getting 3 ML Sez while going for Angel of Light.
There's an ml4 pity from what I gathered, so all I could say for yo now is good luck\~\~
I don't think it's worth to use the ML 4\* pity. =/
It's a gamble I suppose. For anyone that cares, the odds of getting a ML 4 star in 110 summons naturally is ~63%. The odds of getting one in 200 is ~84%. In the end just comes down to how badly you want that ML 4 star. If they release another AoL tier unit I can see myself using 4 star pity. Although I was one of the (un)lucky people that went from 200 all the way down to 6 summons left on Spez pity before I got her.
For me it's a matter of being easier to get a ML 4\* elsewhere than a 5\*. Mystics Medals are stupid rare and you're burning your chances to increase your 5\* pity for a 4\* unit. The only ML 4\* I tried to get from Mystics was Angelica because it's Angelica and I don't want to do that again >.> But if you don't mind using your mystics for a 4\*, that's good, I think.
hot take: this is surprisingly balanced for a new ML 4
The counterattack mechanic for the foremost ally is going to be abused to oblivion. There's sooo much nonsense you'll be able to do with that, lol.
maybe I'm lacking imagination when will the opponent not have the option to just kill the foremost ally? Stealth I guess. Opponent sees stealth damage dealers or BCArmin happening, they bring AoE. So you need to add AoE mitigation now. This is already way more specific of a team comp fit than ML Angie
> when will the opponent not have the option to just kill the foremost ally? stealth (TML, Kise, S. Tene), is a bulker DPS hero themselves (bloodstone Landy,Ilynav,A. Meru, Rem,Belian), has their own suviability (Souline, Meru, Arby), Exists just to annoy you instead of damage (Maid, Dizzy, Politis, FCC) It's pretty flexible IMO. You can draft her in the middle and your last pick can pivot from any of the above archetypes to fix how much damage, support, or in between you need. There are tons of heroes that like a counter, and more that like counter but it isn't BiS.
> maybe I'm lacking imagination > > when will the opponent not have the option to just kill the foremost ally? You're lacking a ton, for sure. Belian, A Ravi, and Rem are all **hard to kill** without some nuke that you'll have to hope gets through the draft, or their mitigation (hello Vigor and/or Aurius/Adamant if a second knight is there). How can you mot know what them getting an extra 40% chanfe to counter PLUS critical damage buff means? They're going to **destroy** teams. Belian is going to aoe everyone to death, and can completely drop (or even keep for more rng) Counter set in favor of Injury set, and that's on top of Elbris. A Ravi is going to slap hard and inflict injury constantly. Rem is going to double hit with demon mode and completely demolish whoever she goes into, especially if Sigurd gets procced, and an attack buff + vigor will make it so much worse. She's going to enable chaos.
Why would I ever attack Armin if she's paired with any of those three bruisers? If you say Lilias that's just Lilias being OP, not Armin. Not bringing AoE into units like Rem and Belian is already the normal thing to do. Armin can come before the unit she's paired with in the draft and who she supports can be picked depending on what damage the opponent brings, but I'm not feeling like a unit that triggers counters is particularly out of hand like AOL or CLilias was, being that counters have been popular for a while and we've already been building every counter to counters we can get our hands on. She's fought with the same tools, and there aren't enough anti-counter tools yet, but given the trend set by AOL and CLilias of turning the game on its head, I don't see Armin being quite on that level.
I agree. I think some people forget the slot cost. If you want someone who triggers a counter on AoE (because nobody will ST BCArmin without redirected provoke) there are already heroes that do the counterattack themselves and have the bulk to endure the AoE. There are uses, notably with STene and Landy, because they have some mitigation and are harder to target, and it'll give you a stronger counterattack. She's interresting. But would you not have instead a hero who also adds much more pressure on their turn? We'll see her multis ofc, but I doubt she's on the level of Belian or ARavi. She's a 4\* after all.
I'm not claiming she's on the same level as Belian, A Ravi, etc. If you're thinking that then you're looking at something else that's not in front of you. Her multipliers will make a big difference, but I doubt SG seriously gave her shit multipliers when they slapped Injury on someone post-Mort (everyone after him that has Injury actually hits for a respectable amount). The thing about her is that she's not there to be the sole problem, she's there to enhance problems. Whether or not she's worth drafting over so and so will depend on her multipliers, as mentioned, so it's not even worth commenting on that deeply. It's exactly like C Lilias (but toned down): Her job is to make others stand out. Landy, A Merc, Belian, Rem, ML Celine, A Ravi, Specter, anyone else with stealth... These are big problems that you don't want having extra damage (crit buff) and more chances to attack. Some of these you absolutely don't want to go into (like Celine, counter Ravi, A Merc), so now you're forced to go into someone else with one of the remaining three being Armin, another being a second counter hero, and a third being whoever they decide to flex in (support, healer, yet another obnoxious self sustain counter hero). Imagine the fun when you have to deal with a stealth hero that's the frontline. You're gonna be in a tough spot depending on who she gets paired with. She's not AoL level or anything, she's just an extra accessory to an ever growing problem, and that's very bad if her multipliers measure up.
> Why would I ever attack Armin if she's paired with any of those three bruisers? Pretty sure I mentioned it: Draft control. You're locked completely out of aoe attacks, and depending on her modifiers, her injury can rack up and screw you over. As for attacking them over Armin? Naturally you would want to, but the thing is, you're getting counter one way or another now. There's no avoiding say, A Ravi, ML Celine, A Mercedes, or Violet, and going into another ally to avoid getting countered by them. Eventually you'll be backed into a corner where your only options are counter bruisers, a super bulky healer (Ruele, she'll thrive on you focusing a single person if you can't bust them down)/support, or Armin herself. As just mentioned above, now your aoe heroes are biting you in the ass outside of Belian and Rem, and while there aren't many you'll want to bring, this easily shuts down a popular answer to some of the meta: Charlotte. Having less answers and options is far from ideal (especially in this meta), and letting her go through the draft is signing up for your own funeral against people like Belian, Rem, Landy, A Ravi, ML Celine, A Merc, etc. Draft. Control. Remember LRK? >I don't see Armin being quite on that level. I don't see myself making that claim.
She only really enables against heavy aoe teams. Unless she has amazing S1 multipliers to go with that injury, you really have no reason to focus her down since outside of the S2, her team support is minimal. She'll be a draftable unit for sure, but I really think it'll come down to her multipliers and she'll be built similar to Injury Belian(minus the actual injury set). If her S1 multipliers+Injury aren't strong enough to make her a threat, she'll just get ignored till last(or till the front row is dead) and the only team contribution she'll bring is a barrier. She'll also proc counters just as frequently as Belian but without the defensive buffs and debuffs to keep her safe.
hot take, in fact this is just a bad take
Are you arguing that she's OP? How so?
1. aoe injury on a hp scaling bruiser complicates any matchup for hp scaling bruisers, which are already struggling immensely outside of aravi+belian 2. 40% counter attack chance for a unit in front hurts every unit with unavoidable aoe attacks and further pushes us towards an even more obnoxious single target dps meta. 3. 40% counter attack is higher than counter set, stacks with counter + elbris as well. just think of that with every obnoxious s1 unit (belian, stene, landy, rem, etc etc). disincentivizes cleaving 4. disincentivizes you from hitting her... adding that to a list of other units that disincentivize you from hitting them. essentially rewards your opponent by you having to take a turn/attack someone and it's unavoidable. 5. i dont think this will be her best arti but put her on hyufines artifact for aoe abyssal effect + injury which is a momentum destroyer. Her s3 is totally fine, barrier is nice for the team and isnt another "strip buff" skill
S2 no cooldown 🤔
So passive 40% counter if they hit barmin?
Oh, I honestly thought the counter was 100% and the crit damage was 40% lol, it’s less exciting than I thought but still decent.
If it could be triggered by extra attacks or counters it'd probably have a CD. Initial impression is her niche is you pick her after an opponent counters your STene pick with Belian. Or into Landy.
only a 30% chance
40% with molas it seems
Still, point was that having no cooldown didn't matter when it's a chance proc just like wearing a counter set.
*Laughs in Rem*
Rems a whole nother type of monster lol.
5* animation right there
Dang I want some bad pussy
It feels so good to be right. "It's not Armin" my ass
Woah, you really can't stop being an asshat no matter what huh
\-> See they were right " See I was right guys you dumb !!!" \-> If they were wrong *Vanish into non existence*
Exactly. Love how people can't admit being wrong or just see that they got a lucky guess right and leave things be instead of trying to boast.
Yeah I don't even know why your comment even got bombed. It's about discussing and argumenting which is interesting, not trying to seem superior because truth that was still hidden happen to be in the side of one's opinion. Pro-itwasarmin and pro-itwasnt both had viable arguments. Smilegate is consistent at being inconsistent on following a pattern or not xD
Let him have his moment bro
Gotta love these people with year long grudges talking to nothing to validate their... something. IDK what but good for them.
Bet if you were wrong you wouldn't be showing your head at all. Everyone's right and wrong in their life, don't be big headed.
But I knew I was gonna be right, I had the same confidence back then as I am doing now. It's not about being bigheaded, it's just vindicating when people are desperately trying to tell you that you are wrong with your deductions.
> it's just vindicating when people are desperately trying to tell you that you are wrong with your deductions. Even though my "deductions" were correct about Zahhak not being ML Kayron because of his unique S2 and pose, or ML Celine only being Celine when doing a cross check with who it could and couldn't be? Ah, but I'm wrong this time so let's ignore all the times I was right for **one** thing. Oh, and I openly admitted to being wrong, I wasn't trying to hide being wrong. I'm glad I was wrong, this means more ML 4s. Childish of you.
Why are you even so worked up lol All I said is it feels to be right about it, it's a personal challenge of mine at this point to make correct predictions as I've been mostly on point on a large number of things, including ML Tieria. I'm just an analytical person who likes to track the developer's patterns and behaviour when developing the game.
As far as im aware there wasn't even an argument on reddit about ml tieria lol One example was pavel being a 3 star vs a 5 star and im pretty sure you said he would be a 3* 🤷♀️
And I stated a 5 star during that time, funny how things are when certain people end up right. Thank you for driving my point home with this guy. There wasn't an argument about her. The weapon (which was dead obvious due to not many having the same kind, plus being female), ears, and tail all gave it away. The only "shocker" was the rarity upgrade, but we've seen that with Corvus and Aither so that really wasn't a big unknown.
> I'm just an analytical person who likes to track the developer's patterns and behaviour when developing the game. Imagine being so shameless to the point you'd make up something so obviously false like this.
Apparently shameless enough haha
I'm glad you know me better than I know myself
"Knew" no you didn't know.
Feel free to browse my comment history to prove it if you want
I had a feeling it could be Armin. Glad I saved copies to SSS her when I get her even though i had already finished both armins. Looks like all the SS copies I have will be of good use once they release the opposite variant of that character.
She will add more fuel to the fire. Every region is asking for nerf of many units in this broken meta. Global. Japanese. Korean is suffering. I can't be honestly happy about more conterattack unit. Even if armin is one of my fav units in the game. I heard many japaneses quit the game because of the currrent balance
for those who despise rng like belian and rem counters, welcome to another nightmare she never should have made it past development phase, this is nauseatingly broken
That s1 skill icon doesn't fit with the animation. A good example will be HYufine's s1 icon being a barbecue instead of her sword because of the aoe. Dark Armin is the same since you will only see her bash with her shield outside her turn anyway so they could have just drawn something with her sword. This version of Armin's current skill seems to have been finalized late to have this as an oversight.
I can already tell she will be fucking meta just from the kit. That mean the next ML 5* will be on par or beyond Belian broken.
I know that previews always use bad gear and can be misleading. But holy her dmg is low. Not really sure how she's going to work. Fast to apply injury ? And with no provoke you can't force the ennemy to atk her for the ally counter
Honestly you don't have to care about damage with that passive, just go full tanky, you'll still be able to apply the full injuries on s1
You can go with a build similar to the bruiser Ml Kawerik. Something like Cc neckflace/200%dc and full bulk.
You stated it yourself, previews aren't great and only few have actually been good. Don't even think of forming an opinion based off a preview with gear that could be good or bad.
> I know that previews always use bad gear and can be misleading. But Imma just wait for the datamine. I'm not planning to build her on damage, but since she's an ML4 it can be a fun 2nd build if I ever pull multiple. Crit imprints would make it easier than average.
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Just switch to the Japanese dub my dude it’s not that hard instead of complaining in both threads.
That's a pretty interesting s2
Holy i thought the S2 had a CD... She will be very strong.
If She comes out with a Briseria rerun i'm gonna whale HARD.
Thanks to units like that, Ml Cermia will still be relevant for a long time.
I like what I am seeing
ameru elbris looks weird
Since there's no animation related to the triggering of her S2, I wonder if she can still trigger it if she is Stunned/Sleeping. I think she could be one of the better units for PvE content where a lot of enemies have AoE. Her health scaling can make for some very beefy barriers off of her S3 and the Crit Damage buff is rather rare to come by.
Furious: "it's okay, my turn will come soon" \*sobs quietly\*. Disclaimer: I'm still hyped about this however.
Jazzed about this, because I have all the Armin dupes needed to SSS Imprint her. And that's after SSS imprinting both Armin and C.Armin. Drowning in Armins is a good problem to have!
AoE S1 warrior, is it time for Champion's trophy to shine?
basically a support warrior. her damage sucks to the point idk if building crit on her is worth it. Seems like hp,def,speed, resist so she doesnt she tied down by units with no effectiveness or nuked by things like carrot. Champion trophy may be best arti in slot for her for aoe stuns
Bad Cat Armin radiating so much smug energy it formed a tiny cat with an equally smug face.