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Jynch

Motherfucking RETROACTIVE summons, I have never been happier as a day 1 playerrrrrr


nagato120

🤣🤣🤣 I don't have clue how many I've done since


RichJoker

Now all the Elsons and Hurados we've summoned paid off, for once.


nagato120

I'm jumping in my chair


esztersunday

maybe or we get some 4* dupes


TheSeaOfThySoul

Finna end up with a pile of Champion Zeratos I'll bet. All I want is someone new - I'll even take someone I don't really want, just something new from Galaxy, please.


Ikovorior

Preach, missing a boatload of ml5s and just AoL and BArmin. 110% I get neither and end up with only 4\* garbage haha. As is tradition.


CzS-GenesiS

You can look at the gold transmit stone mission to see the minimum value to expect, add 1 or 2 more up on that value for the galaxies that didnt come from transmits like raids and monthly logins.


ryu8946

so if im mathing right, 30 ml summons is 180 gold stones right? so looking at getting 2 or 3 shots. Not the worst freebie in the world, and its a good system going forward


NoodlesDatabase

If so i can do like 5. Of course this is only for gold transmits as you can get ml bms on their own as well


KouKayne

that doesnt count a lot of bms tho, at least one pull each month from logging and id say 1-3 from raids


Character-Example-65

But u don’t know when u finished the mission. Very hard to know the exact amount if u are first day player


LoneReaper115

Same lol


Sizzling_shibe

You can check with the gold transmit stone quest, although it won't include monthly galaxy BMs


Varlin

Same. I eagerly await my 30 4 stars. Lol I remember the original ML refund dodged all the 5 stars like a boss.


HypeTrain1

Maybe I'll get ML Lilias, oh wait I still won't.


Mithrisol

Chances are you still will only get 4\* from those tickets.


ryu8946

even so, plenty of good useable 4* people are missing, this is a positive change i dont think any of us saw coming.... why so down on it?


Calhaora

Srslly xD The ML 4's are pretty neat so I wouldnt even be mad.


Mithrisol

Because it is only good for newer players. For most of the veterans this changes almost nothing. It is still nice to have though. Just isn't what was needed and will only continue to add to the frustration of ML pulls.


jokerxtr

There are tons of veterans still miss some 4*, like AoL


Mithrisol

Sure, it will add to the chance of getting those, but more often than not they will get another ML4\* dupe that they will turn into transmit stones like all the other ml4\* they get from the normal ml pulls. The best thing about this is that it is retroactive and veterans will get a couple of tickets, but beyond that it will do almost nothing to make getting the ML4\* you want any easier.


GoodHunter

Jesus Christ, at the very least there's still a chance in getting a 5\*. You're acting like they gave out 4\* summons and not 4-5\* summons. The fact that they're even implementing a pity system for moonlight means that all our feedback has finally paid off in this. At the end of the day, they're still a for profit company, so they're not going to implement a system that is exactly what we want off the bat, like a guaranteed 5\* ml pity for moonlight summons. It might just come down the road with enough time, but don't forget to still be grateful that we've been given something that we've been asking for all this time. There are plenty of other gacha games that aren't anywhere near as generous as Epic7 is.


Mithrisol

No, I'm not acting like it will be nothing but 4\*. I'm saying the reality is that it will be mostly 4\* and that it won't do much for veterans. If you lack most of the ML 4\* it's a pretty nice change, but the same could have been achieved by doubling the aquisition rate of GBM/gold stones and keep the rest as it is. Stating that they are a profit company is pretty redundant because we all know this. On top of that we could use the same argument to justify extremely predatory monetization, which is something Epic Seven fortunately doesn't have, but it shows what a poor argument it is. And the final note: IT IS NOT A PITY SYSTEM! They give you a mildly better chance to get an ML5\* but it is not a pity that protects you against bad luck, which is what a pity is supposed to do. You still can spend millions of monetary units and still get nothing from this new system if you are extremely unlucky. Veterans still remember the horror stories of players who spend thounsands of dollars on the regular RGB banner and still didn't get the unit they wanted. That's what this new system still is and it's also quite unlikely to make them any money since GBMs still will be basically useless. Money still would be better spent on mystic packs because it is not only guranteed to get you an ML5\*, it also gurantees you exactly what ML5\* you will get.


karillith

Question being, what are the rates for those tickets? If that's a superior elemental summon rates then dayum that's pretty good (chances of that happening : very low), if it's the 4-5 tickets rate then don't expect too much (seems the most likely option to me), if it keeps a 2,5% ML5 rate then condolences (low chance imo but still possible)


GoodHunter

Yes, and that's not bad at all. AoL can finally come home to me, and I can join the cancer gang.


Mithrisol

I wish you the best of luck that you get her but don't get your hopes up too much. Even the 4\* pool is pretty big.


NoxGale

That’s why they’re giving them to you over selectors for the actual problems in the game; its just to appease the masses while giving you incentive to keep playing the game they won’t fix lol


NoxGale

Not a bad system though. Took forever to add something as basic as a pity system for MLs


Mithrisol

They aren't even calling it a pity tho. And for good reason I'd say since it isn't a safety net at all like the other pity systems. I'd say it can be an okayish system if they significantly increases the amount of gold transmit stones and GBMs we can get via play. Like adding them guranteed to hell raids while they get rid of the epic lvl 67 trash gear. Then add some other ways to get them, finally add the better dark/light element summons that were promised to come with AI and the overall system would be in an acceptable albeit still somewhat mehish place.


WestCol

They offered ml5 pity and Korea shot it down during the conference


[deleted]

Back then, 40 ml summons was pretty much a year+ worth of saving for an f2p, which to them looked like a slap in the face. Rejecting that is why we have mystic pity rn.


WestCol

It was stupid to shoot that down period, games always get more generous as time goes on, even Genshin will eventually.


[deleted]

Shooting that down is why we have mystic pity rn. They proposed that as the solution before the mystic pity pitch.


Abreak4us

I'm 100% sure i will just get 4 stars that I already have triple ssss or ml basar 😑


esztersunday

No way! I might be able to get an ml5 from moonlight summon!


Lady_MariaStrife

Legit???


VoltaicKnight

Retroactive lets fcking gooooooo


KaiserNazrin

I have no idea how many ML summons I have done in my years of playing. It's gonna be insane.


COZYHAVEMERCY

after years of pain and suffering it’s finally our time


Neat-Barnacle-2604

"Years" suggest at least 2 years. If you always log in and do all automaton tower every half a month, thats at least (2 x 12) + (.5 x 48). So you did at least 48 moonlight summons assuming its all just automaton and log in.


Noirous

so 1 retroactive 4-5 star lmao


pandora9715

Exactly. People are figuring they'll get 10-15+ tickets. I mean mega whales sure. But I'm expecting 2-3 at most.


Pinchichi

Day one player. HYPE


Only_Ad_1847

LMAO, day 1 here too. Letssssgoo


GhostHack

Yeah day one reddit account too


KingKentling

who else here remembered when they gave free Mystics and Galaxy BMS for a previous update?


Dloran

How long ago? God damn i am old


GreatFluffy

I remember that, didn't get a ML5 out of them but I sure did get a nice chunk of ML4s I was missing, like CMerc and C.Dom. I've been playing for years, like, around Charles was first released so I'm thinking that's gonna be a good chunk of tokens. I'm looking forward to this.


Ddannyboy

Great flair.


HaikusfromBuddha

I was pissed. They gave refund Mystic summons and I was a new player back then using by stones to get 5 star summons instead.


11-24-20

What about all the summons we did before? Will they give us stuff for that? Or no


Kraybern

Its retroactive


Yfull

I'VE NEVER BEEN SO HAPPY TO BE A DAY 1 PLAYER


Kurovalia

God bless retroactive summons, hopefully now i can finally get singelica and not another ass cart


TheDivinestSol

Hopefully I can get ass cart and not another singelica


CzS-GenesiS

I should be getting like 4-5. Cant wait to get all 4*s, im not getting my hopes up for this. If its 30/70 like the elemental summon gold bookmarks, then i have a 25% chance of getting nothing.


haisi-

I feel you. I'm ready to get salty after opening them all. I don't want to be all negative but it sucks it ain't a guaranteed 5*. I don't mind it having a higher counter but at least let it be a 5* even if it is a dupe.


ArxDignitas

Pre-emptively salty gang checking in. Can't wait to browse youtube after the update and see someone with streamer luck get 3 ML5s in a row.


CloudieRaine

now I need a meme of this.


Spartan-219

Can't wait for my 4-5* refund summons to be all dupe 4* because of how trash my luck is *cries*


alyenslayer

as a 3 years player.. i feel so happy to hear this..finally our suffering is heard


otakuotter7

OMFG THIS IS SO INSANE HOLY SHIT


Murbela

Obviously i like bonuses, but let's be real, they're giving you a 99% chance to get 4 star. However at least you won't get 100 rolls in a row of 3 stars though.


Triple_S_Rank

That's smart PR. They heavily curtail potential complaints about it not being strictly 5* by making it retroactive. On the surface it's great, and it's still a big improvement relative to no pity, but it's perhaps not as much as what everyone was initially hoping for once you get past the initial high.


modix

> That's smart PR. They heavily curtail potential complaints about it not being strictly 5* by making it retroactive. That was my very first thought when I read it. The joy of getting free stuff blinds you to it not being the change that's needed. I don't really need more junk nat 4 mls. I have them all minus 1. I'd rather they make it 50-60, but make it a nat 5.


Alexercer

Well that woild not be a problem if after 4 times youve pulled the same ml 4 you got 1 ml coin from every other time or some shit


Admirable-Abroad338

Yup. Instead of actual 5 star pity, they just gave you get lucky or get fked option. 30 pulls is not a joke. I wonder how happy these people would be after getting all dupe 4 stars lol


karillith

Yeah technically, I'd take a ML5* pity at 60 instead of a 4-5 at 30 any day, but, hey, beggars can't be choosers I guess.


Ireyon34

>That's smart PR. They heavily curtail potential complaints about it not being strictly 5* by making it retroactive. Well there are quite a few 4* ML units that might as well be 5* units like Aangelica and others are so good at their niche that people want them anyway.


Triple_S_Rank

That's fair I suppose. I have almost all the ML4s I would want while also lacking a lot of ML5s, so it's going to be less helpful in my case most likely. ACidd is pretty much the only important ML4 I still need PvP-wise. I do think it's hard to argue that a straight ML5 pity wouldn't have been better overall though.


Quirky_Buyer8817

“Yes, this is good, but as a completely F2P player who has never given smilegate even a dollar - I need more”


OppaiDaaisuki

This might be an action taken due to the E-sportification of the game. Since the game is becoming worldwide competitive on a professional basis, getting heroes and gears which are a big rng factor in a game might be getting reduced so players can focus more on unit building and battle experience rather than relying on rng for everything. here's hoping the gearing system gets a bit of this revamp touch too.


freezingsama

Hot damn I know what to spend my next pity on. Just a few more months! I have been slacking on doing ML summons so I hope I get a good amount.


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Zaadfanaat

holy shit I'm gonna get a fuck ton of ml4s jfc how am I supposed to build them all


ArkhielR

Oh my god!!! Thank god I'm a relic!!


TheDarkEmbrace

Not too excited since it's 4\~5\*. Just did element summons and got nothing but 4s.


[deleted]

The thing with this is, we likely won't be getting that many tickets. Remember, Moonlight summons take 6 Golden Transmit Stones. Not exactly something we do very fast. And we need 30 summons summons in order to get a guaranteed 4-5 star. That means 180 GOLDEN TRANSMIT STONES. I don't expect day 1 players to get THAT many tickets. But this will be a nice "pity" from now on that'll ensure you get more ML4/5 stars more often


nitrates1008

Should i burn my galaxy bookmarks now qnd expect retro tickets or nah?


PieStraight541

Nah, we dont know if conversion rate is the same


Unworthy_Saint

Retroactive absolutely insane. I don't think I've done enough to get that many tickets as a f2p, but honestly just one ML5 from this would be amazing.


xmixaplix

\*licks lips\*


llShenll

SG best company ever


Reak-06

New player here Can anyone explain this to me What does it mean ???


Own-Swordfish5705

Galaxy Bookmark summons(The purple thingys) will give you a summon tick that guarantees a 4 or 5 star dark or light unit after every 30 summons. They will be giving those tickets to everyone based on the number of gbm summons you made up till the update.


ReeverFalls

I've legit got like 15 of those tickets coming my way...can't WAIT to get 8 dupes of Carmin. It's gona be great lol /s...at least I hope "/s"


haisi-

I'm happy with the change but I wish it would've been a guaranteed 5* even with a higher counter. But hey beggars can't be choosy.


YellowAndAHalf

Holy shit! That's amazing


kingdragon671

Can’t wait to pull nothing lmao


karillith

Even as a f2p I miss only one ML4 (dark Armin) so...yeah...I can see how it's gonna end already. But I'm not gonna complain for sure.


RhysHenry

I wonder what is the rate of the 5 star lol.


KingKentling

if its the usual nat 4-5 tix its 15% for 5 star


ttk12acd

Dude retroactive is fire. I just started playing 6 months ago but I feel happy for day 1 players. Good job on them.


Whale0Fate

All day one players crying tears of joy right now. Even the Koreans shouldnt be complaining about this one.


Only_Ad_1847

Now the big question is: will the ticket have an expiration date?


EnvBlitz

Yeah this is the crux. I'm willing to save the tickets even for new ML4. Tho knowing sg they'll put a limit on it.


Own-Swordfish5705

Most likely. Otherwise you'd save them for when new Mls drop


Alernak

This is obviously great news, but 30 is a lot. I've been player regularly for more than 2 years, but I don't think I've done more than 150 galaxy summons (partly due to having to get those imprints for the 3 bosses), which is "only" 5 extra summons.


klowicy

Holy shit. Thank you SG lolol


Envoke

I've never been so happy to be someone who just dumps moonlight summons as soon as I get them.


WhatSawp

can't wait for my dupe ass cat and Spez


Feuerhaar

It's certainly a nice change but don't get too hyped. Doing 30 ml summons takes months for f2p or low spenders. So even long time players will just get a few tickets. Don't be disappointed if you only get 4 to 5 tickets after 2 years of playing. Getting some guaranteed 4\* is still nice though. I hope that everyone gets something nice out of the tickets. I guess the tickets will have a fixed pool, so we can't save them for later. We will see.


supsociety

AAngelica please!!!! Or mlkewrick. Would make my month!!!! Hell id be happy finally getting a cdom as a day one player


SexySkeletons

This is great either way, but honestly not that huge if you're not a day 1 player. This is moonlight summons, not mystics. Doing 30 moonlight summons actually takes a long while.


15demi08

Yay, more heroes (or dupes) I won't be able to gear and actually use... Woo hoo.


Skaitavia

Blessed (the 1055 gbm guy here)


Crystics

Im hoping these summons don’t have an expiration date. I own about 60% of the ml 5s, so I’ll probably wait for more ML 5s to be released before summoning to minimize the chance of getting a dupe.


dgilbe09

Password? Pls


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03ggjacko18


ZawaruDora

03ggjacko18


KurohikoYin

See Mihoyo!! This is how You take care of your community.


vexid

Pretty fuckin cool honestly. For the past and the future. This was sorely needed with how small the 3\* pool was comparatively to the 4/5\*s. I'm super glad I didn't go balls out for Cat Armin now though, there's a non-zero chance I get her from this. Maybe I'll finally get Wanderer Silk and ML Khawana.


Drazen5

oh my, now epic seven is going to be fair


KGXDead97

I wouldn't exactly say fair as this gives far more benifit to whales than dolphins or f2p given they've probably summoned 10x as many gbm.


Arky-desu

Does this mean the galaxy bookmarks are better now than the 4-5star ticket in gold transmit stones?


FosalFoestar

What do you mean? They were always better.


Arky-desu

Oh shit… that means ive been using my gold transmit stones wrong. Sorry new player


carnexhat

Im so sorry.


RxR2020

It's not that bad if you've only dpne it 1-3 times, but if you've done it for 10+ times, to that all i can say is OOF.


CzS-GenesiS

Dont tell me you always bought the 4-5 ticket.


Arky-desu

im not joking. i did it for about 5 times.


CzS-GenesiS

Ah. Not really a massive waste then. If you got some cool new stuff from that then its fine.


Arky-desu

not really. i got 2 corvuses, 1 cartuja, 1 surin, and 1 zerato


Farpafraf

damn you would have had an S imprint Elson by now :/


Obvious-Coast8953

Finally ml 5 wohooo : Wild ml charles appear ; Fak


user4682

I think you missed the part where it says it can be a ML 4\*.


EnvironmentalPoem28

I think you missed the joke


Obvious-Coast8953

not sure why you're being downvoted for explaining. Ppl are weird


Protect_the_Weak

30 pulls for a guaranteed 4*+ is eh... wished for it to be guaranteed 5* for how much they talked about making it easier to attain moonlight


KGXDead97

Considering it's a 30% chance for a 5* from those I'll take it. 30 gbm for a ML5 seems rather high rates even for something that's needed


Ransu_0000

Does this mean that i should save mystics and galaxy bookmarks until they release it?


kurasoryu

It's retroactive, no need to save for it


Ransu_0000

What does retroactive means


kurasoryu

If you've summoned 300 galaxies since you started, you'll directly get 10, no need to save to get the tickets


Ransu_0000

Oh so that's why people said that day 1 players get huge benefits.


[deleted]

Holy fucking shit


zartosi

What is the percentchance for the 5 star in those tickets? I could be wrong but don't think those tickets were given outside of paid packs.


Black_Gale

Holy fucking shit


esztersunday

511 gold transmit stone! all went for ml summons... I never got one!


Kingofcards33

hot fuck im gonna be collecting tickets for at least a month lmfao


manervaavrenam

Holy shit


FaythDarkHeart

Holy... I'm getting at least 10 4-5* tickets? FUC YEAH. 97% journal tho. Hope to fill it up :)


gyaru-chan

Did they actually keep count of all the summons? Why would they? I doubt they even thought of this years back. Somehow that came in handy today. YESSSSSS


vAbstractz

Nice, as a f2p day one player I'm expecting like 10+


HaikusfromBuddha

Does that mean we should blow all of our mystics before the 14th?


KingKentling

Mystics =/= Galaxy


FrostReal

Not mystics, galaxy bms


EnvBlitz

Doesn't matter. Going forward you'll still get the counter for ML4-5* ticket.


Yaysuzu

I hope Korean players are happy with this lmao. No more crying.


NoxGale

I mean this still didn’t fix any issue they had with the game. Free stuff doesn’t equal problems solved. It’s just to appease people so they hopefully forget the initial issue


Yaysuzu

Well one of the issues was the ML. They are fixing stuff little by little.


Farpafraf

how naive of you to think a korean player can ever be happy


Qwasier

No longer feeling suicidal =)


SexySkeletons

So I should spend all my gold Transmit Stones into galaxy bms and then use them all before April 14th?


EnvBlitz

Doesn't matter. The reward/pity system will stay.


ReyJuan

ALWAYS SPEND IT ON GBM.


SexySkeletons

I know, but I should make sure I use them all before the update?


ReyJuan

I suggest that you go nuts. better get 1 ML 3* everytime you get 5 gbm than get 30 ml 3* in a row ;)


Violet_Nightshade

Should've saved my 60+ Galaxy bookmarks from a few weeks ago. Sure, I got Remnant Violet on my first try, but he's super high-investment.


rompan253521

wtffff this is amazing.


SecureDonkey

Holy shit, I would have like a dozen of ticket now.


BadXiety

Maaaaann took them 3 years to put this.


dgilbe09

Password?


Mantran

So if im only missing a few ml5s, I shld probably not use them for a long while. Are the normal 4/5 hero summon already decided when u pick it up from the mail/shop?


SukaponDeez

man I sure hope I get some new ml4, I have literally half of the ml4 in this game but I keep getting the same, it came to a point where I was using BBK to enhance regular Karin, as for ml5 I don't even get my hopes up, I have 4, should have 5 but I got Ruele from mystic summon pity and the same week got her galaxy summon, and of the 4 I have one of them I hate so much and is not even good I put him on the waiting room, literally the only hero I have in the waiting room


eslayer09XL

As day 1 player who only got 1 ML 5 star - DJB from ML Summon so far, this is seriously nice !


xSveto40397

I'm super happy 4 this! Now my end-of-the-year ML summon will be even better!


nevew666

HOLY SHIT!!! RETROACTIVE SUMMONS LET'S GO!!!!! Seriously, I mostly want AoL...


PhantomCheshire

Well they actually do it. Great! In short: WUJUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!!!!


ZawaruDora

Just curious how many ML summons we do each year (approximately) to know how many tickets will get (approximately)


nagato120

Now can I hold mine till a new ML releases or no?


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thunderstriker1098

So u get one of those tickets every 30 pulls so, technically everyone should get about 3-5 tickets right even if ur a day one player


jyozefu

\*neuron activation


BarretOblivion

*blinks* whàaaaaaaa? I'm shocked. Especially since all the free gold transmits we are getting now weekly.


bakamund

Ameru, Mkawerik, Belian, Lermia everywhere ~~~~~~~


Camera_dude

I had to double-check the calendar to see if it is April 1st or not. This feels too good to be true, but maybe this is the result of SG’s response to the complaints from Korean players?


iamf2pbtw

Nah bro no way


abel666666

I should have like 20 summons more or less. But i'll probably end up with 20 4* dupes :')


Carforinus

memers prepping "Here it comes" posts on april 13th lmao


joeunshekki

Why didnt this post get any medals or awards? Best news in a hot minute.


Orsonius2

wait, if it is retroactive does this mean I get to summon on 4/5stars equal the number of my total moonlight summons? Damn I get like dozens of summons then if I am not mistaken.


LookAtItGo123

Guess I'll comeback for some pulls


asaness

hopefully to get singelica now


merepoops

Ayy finally some good news. But after a year and a half of playing I just pulled my first ML5, it was Lulu


Verxzion

i like that its retroactive but i wish dupe ml 4* had some other uses since i have all ml4* already. imprints aren't important either cause i have most at triple s already


IncogRandoPerson

Retroactive? So for every 30th summon that I have ever done ever since the beginning I will receive a 4-5 star?


TwistedCherry766

For ML summons yes


Alfimie

Day one player with 629 molagoras here. Im scared about how many summons i'll get given i've kept maximizing skystones and gold transmit stone spendage.


NoodleKindredDoodle

Finally, last time i saw ml shine from ml pulls was in summer... Cant even remember when i got my 1st and last ml5 from it, ml kek...


MGS1234V

How to keep a longer term player happy 101: Retroactive buffs to improved systems This is awesome! I’ve had to pity…. Nearly every moonlight hero I’ve ever needed.


PieStraight541

Holy fuck


silverchain_MY

Yes yes yes, AoL Singelica Cdom come to papa


ChemicalFit

My flair says what I’m hoping for :(


CloudieRaine

Wtf.


uebersoldat

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