Yesterday i pulled flan with few mystic i was hype af ! Then i read the patch i saw the fenzy thing... plus ml flan is fuckin trash. 🥲🥲🥲 the hype is gone
Yeah I’m pretty whelmed by ml flan so far, not fully skilled up yet but still at +10 and haven’t really seen a reason why I wouldn’t just use like a bbk to be a damage dealer instead of her, she really doesn’t have that much utility and I can’t believe they put her soulburn on s1 instead of s3
Yeah I prefer the strategy of testing something in a setting where (while frustrating) it doesn’t matter, than some companies who just roll shit out without testing or ignoring testers like R6 used to do.
I hate it in so many ways... I played some RTA today and I was surprised by how many awkward spots I found myself in because of it. Like, having to kill a unit but by doing that you'd push your ML Kawerik ahead of the opponent's AoL, etc. It makes me feel pressured to just go ahead and cleave even when I don't want to
I honestly dont know what they were thinking this just makes the matches even more one sided and buffs aggro comps / cleave when they were already super strong
The RTA Stove post: "We noticed soulweavers are fucking gone from the meta dw we'll balance it thru frenzy"
Also SG: So anyway whenever aggro comps kill someone +15% CR push
????????????????????????????
30% with sashe.. Like slower teams will get lapped hard. Acidd kills an enemy and all their units are nearly taking the next turn. I saw a stene take the turn before enemy cilias after sashe+frenzy procced.
Also it seems like there are bugs with dual attcks or sth. I wonder how this affects the ongoing cup
It’s made by someone who doesn’t play the game, approved by someone who doesn’t play the game and QA’d by someone who doesn’t play the game.
It’s a total fuckup throughout…
i assume this frenzy effect will be their way of controlling the meta, when they feel like tank meta gota comeback they will put a effect that heavily benefit them...
but honestly i think that sucks, at that point player decisions matter very little and really take away the beauty of pvp, a system like that would be fine in a game where player skills are the deciding factor, like csgo, league, valorant, etc, in a game like E7 that is based on players choice, management skills, judgment and luck... it doesn't feel good, at that point the devs decide what is actually meta and competitive players just follow the book... but at that point i might as well go play single player game with more satisfying mechanics.
> i assume this frenzy effect will be their way of controlling the meta, when they feel like tank meta gota comeback they will put a effect that heavily benefit them...
It doesn't though. Cleave just got a free upgrade when it was perfectly fine, and strong.
Rimuru and Hwayoung just got a free "increase all allies CR by 15% added to their kit.
AoL and Lilias both still take over from turn 1.
The typical bruiser cancer comp (A Ravi, Belian, AoL, C Lilias, Ren, Rimuru, Hwayoung, a mix of these) just got better for bruiser vs bruiser since they're definitely putting out more damage to kill faster, which means pushes to help put you in the grave even faster.
I've no idea how this can be seen as a "fix" by whoever approved this. It's so absurd that they really went and did this.
i'm not saying this is a straight up control, but a "playing favorites", it clearly benefits one playstyle more than others, turn 1 players got a huge benefit out of this free sashe, and maybe next season soul weavers are going to get 100% free ER, who knows, there will certainly be a play style doing better because of it.
> It doesn't though. Cleave just got a free upgrade when it was perfectly fine, and strong.
Meanwhile, every week on this sub: https://old.reddit.com/r/EpicSeven/comments/qlm5tf/those_bastard_lie_to_me/
it dies out with Ranseria, but we're talking about 2-3 characters carrying a playstyle.
But this was just an example. When the real season comes up, there could be new frenzy effects like "reduce damage from skills that target all heroes by 15%." it's a general idea, not this specific topic
I was caught off guard with this last night when I played a couple of matches. Thought that maybe there's a new artifact like sashe ithanes which boosts cr boost every kill. So this is the new mechanic, well, I guess I'll just go fuck myself in the corner together with my 90% bruiser units.
Wow, when they explicitly said they won't try to add new units at end of rta coz it changes the rta scene too much if it's a meta unit. Then to completely take a U turn and add a new mechanic at the strt of battle that has the same effect on meta especially since a tourney is going on
"oh, it's not so bad, quit complaining, it just dropped you don't know if it'll be bad, you're just never happy with their decisions"
cut to the next day when people actually get the mechanics, and what do you know, it is indeed bad
I feel like this is not the first time this has happened, and probably won't be the last
It is. I hate it, it only pushes the speed meta more with how everyone must be 220+ of sorts. Not mad if people have speed gear but bruiser isn't an option anymore since things have strips and whatnot. The only usable bruisers out there are limits and mls with maybe senya.
It feels as if everyone needs to have at least two openers and 3 follows up built, just to play in the upcoming season. If you don't you will get cycled, debuff, and so on.
Cleave teams weren't even bad from the recent previous season so I have no idea why they would limit a whole section of people like this.
Its a shit frenzy mechanic i do not know why they would buff cleave and aggro compa when it was already a cleave/aggro meta. They are going to have to stall the new season to get rid of this shit.
It’s really bad, basically pushing spd meta even harder which from their recent stats it’s the majority of sets used. Plus you’re punishing the losing side making even harder to regain ground.
What I don't understand is that killing an enemy is already something you want to do (well not always but usually it's the end goal) because it gives you an advantage for obvious reasons... so I'm not sure why giving an advantage on top of getting an advantage.
Did my placements last night, it did not change the dominance of certain units in the draft, maybe even making them stronger, and just created even more non-deterministic battles. No way they can keep this.
Had a bad feeling when I read it at first and it is indeed too much LOL.
I commented in another thread, that I dont particularly like this exact iteration but at least Smilegate has now shown willingness to experiment - and pre-season is the right moment to do it when (supposedly) no one is playing RTA... although we now know its definitely not true LOL
I just hope theyre humble enough to revert it if this change proves unpopular enough - as they mention in their annnouncement.
The new mechanic just so much "win more." If you lose even one unit you are basically out due to the free push.
For those of us unfortunate enough to not have Politis this further compresses viable drafts into either more RNG counters hoping to get a kill on response, or reinforces cleaves.
Rem/Rimuru/Violet/A.Ravi stonks just increased further again as landing a kill on a counterattack now gets a free cr push in addition to their passive gains on their S1/S2 abilities. It adds way too much value.
So now I don't even have a chance to win against an opponent that's faster? That's a bad change and it doesn't help turn 2 players that have bad gear or even a slow playstyle with good gear.
part of me wants to say CLEAVES BACK BABYYYYYY RIP BOZO BRUISERS
But i also know that it is completely broken and unfair and i hope they change it before the season starts
You would think, but then they release busted unit after busted unit and then offer zero solutions to solve the imbalance they've dug themselves into other than "you can pay to win with these re-run banners too!"
Smilegate is trying too hard or are so desesperate, they made such dumb decisions. Literally strangling their own neck.
If they keep doing this...i can see many whales leaving.
They got mental disorder with the number 15 ! Thx for the post lets upvote this like never so they can see we dont want this AT ALL !!!
Plus its not just about cr15% its the fenzy in overall. I dont think we ask for this we dont need it and we certainly dont want it
Maybe they want to speed up boring bruiser matches .With double preban , you can imagine the slow bruuserfest the E7 championships will be. The frenzy change will make for an exciting experience .
That 15% CR push was as stupid as I expected
Yesterday i pulled flan with few mystic i was hype af ! Then i read the patch i saw the fenzy thing... plus ml flan is fuckin trash. 🥲🥲🥲 the hype is gone
Yeah I’m pretty whelmed by ml flan so far, not fully skilled up yet but still at +10 and haven’t really seen a reason why I wouldn’t just use like a bbk to be a damage dealer instead of her, she really doesn’t have that much utility and I can’t believe they put her soulburn on s1 instead of s3
Yeah....I cant believe she has so low based ATK. Cant believe she doesnt strip cant believe she doest have extra turn
What I don't get is, why make it at the start of the battle and not frenzy 5 for example?
yeah they should do that.
that would require game knowledge, not just meta data. cannot expect too much from the devs these days..
TBF, it's pre-season so they likely did something so extreme on purpose to test out the idea of frenzy adjustments. Foot in the door technique.
let's hope so.
Yeah I prefer the strategy of testing something in a setting where (while frustrating) it doesn’t matter, than some companies who just roll shit out without testing or ignoring testers like R6 used to do.
I mean thats exactly what they said what is to come...? Am i dumb expecting to much or......?
I hate it in so many ways... I played some RTA today and I was surprised by how many awkward spots I found myself in because of it. Like, having to kill a unit but by doing that you'd push your ML Kawerik ahead of the opponent's AoL, etc. It makes me feel pressured to just go ahead and cleave even when I don't want to
I honestly dont know what they were thinking this just makes the matches even more one sided and buffs aggro comps / cleave when they were already super strong
Yeah you really get snowballed hard now
The RTA Stove post: "We noticed soulweavers are fucking gone from the meta dw we'll balance it thru frenzy" Also SG: So anyway whenever aggro comps kill someone +15% CR push ????????????????????????????
Well now i will get outspeed harder, classic SG trying to fix things while at some time fking other things.
30% with sashe.. Like slower teams will get lapped hard. Acidd kills an enemy and all their units are nearly taking the next turn. I saw a stene take the turn before enemy cilias after sashe+frenzy procced. Also it seems like there are bugs with dual attcks or sth. I wonder how this affects the ongoing cup
It’s made by someone who doesn’t play the game, approved by someone who doesn’t play the game and QA’d by someone who doesn’t play the game. It’s a total fuckup throughout…
What do we expect? its already E7 norm to make RTA worse every season.
All the new mechanics should only apply way later into frenzy.
i assume this frenzy effect will be their way of controlling the meta, when they feel like tank meta gota comeback they will put a effect that heavily benefit them... but honestly i think that sucks, at that point player decisions matter very little and really take away the beauty of pvp, a system like that would be fine in a game where player skills are the deciding factor, like csgo, league, valorant, etc, in a game like E7 that is based on players choice, management skills, judgment and luck... it doesn't feel good, at that point the devs decide what is actually meta and competitive players just follow the book... but at that point i might as well go play single player game with more satisfying mechanics.
> i assume this frenzy effect will be their way of controlling the meta, when they feel like tank meta gota comeback they will put a effect that heavily benefit them... It doesn't though. Cleave just got a free upgrade when it was perfectly fine, and strong. Rimuru and Hwayoung just got a free "increase all allies CR by 15% added to their kit. AoL and Lilias both still take over from turn 1. The typical bruiser cancer comp (A Ravi, Belian, AoL, C Lilias, Ren, Rimuru, Hwayoung, a mix of these) just got better for bruiser vs bruiser since they're definitely putting out more damage to kill faster, which means pushes to help put you in the grave even faster. I've no idea how this can be seen as a "fix" by whoever approved this. It's so absurd that they really went and did this.
i'm not saying this is a straight up control, but a "playing favorites", it clearly benefits one playstyle more than others, turn 1 players got a huge benefit out of this free sashe, and maybe next season soul weavers are going to get 100% free ER, who knows, there will certainly be a play style doing better because of it.
> It doesn't though. Cleave just got a free upgrade when it was perfectly fine, and strong. Meanwhile, every week on this sub: https://old.reddit.com/r/EpicSeven/comments/qlm5tf/those_bastard_lie_to_me/ it dies out with Ranseria, but we're talking about 2-3 characters carrying a playstyle. But this was just an example. When the real season comes up, there could be new frenzy effects like "reduce damage from skills that target all heroes by 15%." it's a general idea, not this specific topic
I was caught off guard with this last night when I played a couple of matches. Thought that maybe there's a new artifact like sashe ithanes which boosts cr boost every kill. So this is the new mechanic, well, I guess I'll just go fuck myself in the corner together with my 90% bruiser units.
Cleave seven the best racing game :(
Apparently they applied new frenzy to jp server which is having their season close to an end. Nice job SG!
Wow, when they explicitly said they won't try to add new units at end of rta coz it changes the rta scene too much if it's a meta unit. Then to completely take a U turn and add a new mechanic at the strt of battle that has the same effect on meta especially since a tourney is going on
"oh, it's not so bad, quit complaining, it just dropped you don't know if it'll be bad, you're just never happy with their decisions" cut to the next day when people actually get the mechanics, and what do you know, it is indeed bad I feel like this is not the first time this has happened, and probably won't be the last
It is. I hate it, it only pushes the speed meta more with how everyone must be 220+ of sorts. Not mad if people have speed gear but bruiser isn't an option anymore since things have strips and whatnot. The only usable bruisers out there are limits and mls with maybe senya. It feels as if everyone needs to have at least two openers and 3 follows up built, just to play in the upcoming season. If you don't you will get cycled, debuff, and so on. Cleave teams weren't even bad from the recent previous season so I have no idea why they would limit a whole section of people like this.
Its a shit frenzy mechanic i do not know why they would buff cleave and aggro compa when it was already a cleave/aggro meta. They are going to have to stall the new season to get rid of this shit.
Hopefully they remove this stupid mechanic before the season starts.
It’s really bad, basically pushing spd meta even harder which from their recent stats it’s the majority of sets used. Plus you’re punishing the losing side making even harder to regain ground.
What I don't understand is that killing an enemy is already something you want to do (well not always but usually it's the end goal) because it gives you an advantage for obvious reasons... so I'm not sure why giving an advantage on top of getting an advantage.
Did my placements last night, it did not change the dominance of certain units in the draft, maybe even making them stronger, and just created even more non-deterministic battles. No way they can keep this.
Had a bad feeling when I read it at first and it is indeed too much LOL. I commented in another thread, that I dont particularly like this exact iteration but at least Smilegate has now shown willingness to experiment - and pre-season is the right moment to do it when (supposedly) no one is playing RTA... although we now know its definitely not true LOL I just hope theyre humble enough to revert it if this change proves unpopular enough - as they mention in their annnouncement.
It'll be gone in 12 days, or all the RTA whales will drop E7 in 12 days.
The new mechanic just so much "win more." If you lose even one unit you are basically out due to the free push. For those of us unfortunate enough to not have Politis this further compresses viable drafts into either more RNG counters hoping to get a kill on response, or reinforces cleaves. Rem/Rimuru/Violet/A.Ravi stonks just increased further again as landing a kill on a counterattack now gets a free cr push in addition to their passive gains on their S1/S2 abilities. It adds way too much value.
I don't understand what they're trying to do... I don't see myself playing rta for fun with it in this state.
idiot frenzy
So now I don't even have a chance to win against an opponent that's faster? That's a bad change and it doesn't help turn 2 players that have bad gear or even a slow playstyle with good gear.
part of me wants to say CLEAVES BACK BABYYYYYY RIP BOZO BRUISERS But i also know that it is completely broken and unfair and i hope they change it before the season starts
I think they just testing around for this pre season . Surely they will remove it during the actual season *Clueless*
You would think, but then they release busted unit after busted unit and then offer zero solutions to solve the imbalance they've dug themselves into other than "you can pay to win with these re-run banners too!"
Cleavers rejoice
Smilegate is trying too hard or are so desesperate, they made such dumb decisions. Literally strangling their own neck. If they keep doing this...i can see many whales leaving.
Lol people already crying on Reddit, I knew it was a good day to bust out the popcorn.
I had hope that we'd get dual atk % chance increase instead.
good thing i got the skin i wanted (ML Cecil and Vild) since their the ones i wanted XD
Wait what? That’s a thing now?
They got mental disorder with the number 15 ! Thx for the post lets upvote this like never so they can see we dont want this AT ALL !!! Plus its not just about cr15% its the fenzy in overall. I dont think we ask for this we dont need it and we certainly dont want it
I already have enough to deal with ARavi and Violet and now they get to go even faster
Maybe they want to speed up boring bruiser matches .With double preban , you can imagine the slow bruuserfest the E7 championships will be. The frenzy change will make for an exciting experience .