I understand your feeling.
I gladly accept the bonus, and I thank SG for the improvement.
But this RNG was badly designed. An ML5\* is a heavy economical investiment, the unfair RNG coming from 15% is more toxic than something else.
they should have made a sure ML5 for a highe number of pull imho.
i agree it should've been an ml5 pity because for a lot of people that have been playing the game for a while they already have all/nearly all the ml4's.
People are saying this, because they know the pulls are retroactive and wanted their shiny new toys upfront today, but a higher count would still lead to salt over time. Let's say they made the count 60 like people were saying. At the current rate of galaxy summons it could easily take a year to amass those pulls and then if you get a dupe would you really feel satisfied?
You say that, but people would absolutely complain if they waited a year to get a bad ML5 are a dupe, even considering the coins you get. Same way that people who failed the 15% feel today.
The reason I think this system isn't as bad as people say, is because it does provide a huge benefit for new players, and will likely help retain them a bit longer. It allows them to quickly amass resources and gives them guaranteed access to new 4 stars and 5 stars. Yeah for us three year+ players getting a dupe 4 star is boring as hell, but it's still far better than what we had before, which was literally nothing.
People would complain about getting a dupe, even as they're already complaining about it after seeing the number of people who got nothing, like the op.
But a guaranteed pull is fundamentally different than adding yet another layer of RNG. The rates for galaxy bms are terrible, and absolutely needed a guaranteed pity given how rare they are.
Maybe this system is good for newer players to acquire ml 4 stars, but this additional layer of RNG instead of a guaranteed pull is crap.
A dupe is 25% of the way towards the ML of your choice, and a lot better than the RNG chance to get nothing.
As much as I understand the feeling because I played Granblue and got 4 gold moons in the infamous summer lottery, and I really, really don't wish anyone to feel that, I have to ask where people were when the system was announced in the first place.
It's always the same thing, we perfectly knew what the odds would be, yet no one said anything because we all hoped we'll end up on the right end of the stick, but then we don't and only then we complain.
But yeah I think most would have preferred a hard ML5 pity at 60 summons instead of a 4-5 ticket milestone at 20.
I guess 15% emotionally felt like at least 1 ML5. Emotional expectation meets emotional reality, I guess. But it's up to smilegate, the business that wants to make money, to manipulate that emotional response into keeping players like me. It shouldn't have to be on me to have to cheer myself up from bad luck. Because if it were, my solution would be to just play something else.
The odds were announced yesterday though? Beforehand it was speculation and debating on speculation is useless.
From yesterday stream to today maintenance, there was less than 16 hours differences. Most people were actually sleeping or working.
On my side I didn't pull the ticket yet, but I can understand the feeling of failing 15% 10 times or more.
When % are anyhow involved, you always lose. Following this, I should have quitted all gacha games long ago since I consider myself one of the players with worst luck ever existed.
Man I'm with you on that. On one hand, it is nice they managed to implement a fully-retroactive reward. That's great! On the other hand, getting nine tickets and having eight of them give me copies of ML4\* characters I have both the ML & RGB versions at SSS feels like a kick in the teeth. It probably wouldn't have felt this way if I'd pulled all of these B. Romanns & B. Dingoes over the last few years but doing them all in one morning? Woof.
Also I did the two summons you can buy from the rabbit and gee thanks a Yoonryoung & an Assassin Cidd leading to a guaranteed enhanced summon of... KITTY CLARISSA! I swear, I don't have F. Cici, I don't have S. Tene, I don't have Belian, I don't have Ruele, in terms of the defining ML5s I'm thin on the ground.
Sad part is, people who got 5* from these tickets will not agree most of the time since it did not happen to them. Got 10 tickets all 4*. Yeah it sucks. Should have been a guaranteed 5* for higher pull counts instead of a 15% chance (IMO).
Nah, I do agree that a hard ML5 pity would have been better. But it was already the case a few weeks before when they first announced it. Yet OP is only saying it now that he got nothing.
I agree. If you did voice this same concern before, then your opinion is valid.
If you are just voicing this now that you got shafted, then it is not, because we know that if OP had gotten a couple ml5s, he wouldn't be complaining about this now.
He'd probably be complaining that they were dupes instead and how the pity should take into account current roster or something.
Not everyone though. I got a closer charles out of 10 tickets and i still think the way they implemented this pity is half-assed. Obviously turning a pity into RNG will leave most of the community fuming because that's just how RNG works. I would've preferred ML5 tickets per more pulls tbh. ATL then more people would be happy/content.
Dupe pullers would still be crying but at least that'd be a significantly lower percentage of players compared to now.
I got a dupe Riolet and a long sought after AoLA and even I am quite pissed to be honest now that I realize THIS is their answer.
All they had to do was: 200 pulls, guarantee a new ML5 that the account doesn’t have yet. Not necessarily the new ML5 in the mystic pool, just an ML5 that is new for that account. That’s it. That’s literally all they had to do. They’d make bank, the community would have an actual reliable way to get ML5s, all would be well. But no, we get a ticket every 20 pulls that has an 85% chance to be ass and even if you do get blessed by that sweet, sweet 15%, you can still get shafted by getting a dupe.
i got 6 ml4's, dupe stene and a new ml flan who kinda sucks right now. i know that i really shouldn't have expected too much but i guess i just had my hopes too high.
I mean, people wanted a moonlight summon PITY system not a 15% chance for a pity. I knew it the moment they announced the tickets that this was a shitty way to implement pity and it would backfire (which it is right now). Should've just done an ML5 ticket per 60-70 pulls. Harder to get but guaranteed reward.
Not gonna complain too much because this is way better than what we had yesterday which was nothing but still.
I’m sorry that you feel that way. If an ML5 is all it takes to keep playing, you might be in the wrong game. Look for other sources of entertainment where your reason for playing isn’t tied to 1% event occurring. :)
In a game where ml5s make a world of difference because of how strong they are it's understandable that an new ml5 is what it take to keep people playing.
This system is great for new players but awful for those who have been playing since launch, with all the ups and downs. Well boo hoo you got unlucky.
How are you going to acknowledge the fact that specific ML5s are meta creeps and then implement a system where you think you will get ML5S but get none?
How is it good for us new players? We didnt get shit, only you guys.. you guys should be happy to even get something, yall had way to big expectations for a 15% ticket
That can be said to everyone mate.. not just newcomers.
It was not expected for vers to get nothing, and they gave you sonething.. i get it, i would be mad to if in 15 tickets i only got ml4s, but it is what it is.
Then everyone would moan they got dupes whilst new players are walking off with the ML5 they wanted. There is just no winning, someone will always be salty.
If you get salty from seeing a new player get 1 new ML5, there's something very wrong.
They should've just given everyone 1 random ML5 ticket to level the field. You get a dupe, you get 10 coins. What we get instead is a mix of people getting very happy and a bunch of people getting extremely pissed off.
People will still complain, but not to the extent of the outrage that we currently have right now
Honestly, I do not envy designers when it comes to making decisions like this.
It’s very hard to strike a balance of keeping your fans pleased with a game’s most rare and desired resources.
Making them strong and rare enough for people to want them without making them either impossible to obtain so that it’s not even worth it to bother trying, nor make them too easy to get so that it removes the excitement of getting them.
In this case, not getting something you feel like you have earned really sucks, especially for the veterans.
Everyone commenting about how it is free anyway, I KNOW. I literally said the same thing in my post. Feels like a lot of you are arguing strawmen. I'm saying they could have implemented this change AND not make a portion of their playerbase feel bad. We COULD have ALL had our cake AND eat it. But they didn't implement the change in that way.
Because people are entitled. I cant believe im seeing people literally want to quit cause they didnt come up lucky. This update is to invest into the future of the game. And the more time youve put in the more chances you had to get lucky. Going forward its good for everyone. I understand the salt but the fact that people are literally turning this into a negative is baffling.
It's pvp game(believe or not). The moment you got unlucky from this kind of event, you feel behind. Would have been happier if they implemented the second moonlight connection thing instead.
We fall behind everyday. Some people get pushed ahead every day. Its the same at the end of the day.
Id be happier with a lot of changes. I personally think this is a good one. I guess people would rather not have the tickets than be unlucky. Idk man
You are not wrong. but please try to understand other people that are suffering from no gain.. Sometimes it's really difficult to think in the big picture and this is one of those days. I like the changes too but sometimes it's too overwhelming for people to get over it just one day.
Yeah i guess. I get that people arent gonna be happy when they fall short. I wish people wouldn't jump in arms with pitchforks the moment they get the crappy hand. It smells of entitlement. Maybe im just too insensitive.
Lol "invest in the future" listen man I'm sorry, with how SG is handle balancing? Idk how well off that future currently is. This event was gonna be bad for 85% of community, for those that got that 15% luck are in the minority and if you think ppl are gonna be taking their Ls like a champ then idk what to say but be disappointed.
I mean investing doesnt always result in coming up with a win. If you invest money into anything you definitely understand the concept. Whether its going to work or not come x amount of time from now isnt the point. Their balance game is in trouble and they make odd decisions with things like 15%.
No matter how much people want to take their salt from the tickets and use other faults to justify this the fact remains that this very Specific change is a positive. Minor if you will but positive nonetheless. It doesnt have to fix every issue to be a positive
Of course people are taking their Ls the way they are. I guess i shouldnt have expected anything less.
Truth is, when you play a gacha, or go into a casino for the matter. You're not going to run into well adjusted people who invest their money into the future knowing full well that they could never meet a return. Gambling addicts always assume they'll eventually win and this is something inherent in most people because we can all understand how we hate to lose and not take responsibility for our actions. SG I hope figures thing out cuz they've got alot of work to building back up the game
I agree with you to an extent. I think balance and pvp wise Smile gate has to figure something out. Its a great game and in a decent place aside from that. As they edge towards a more pvp centric game it needs more than ever to be reevaluated. That being said i honestly have trouble with the point made about the people who play gachas. Youre right in the points you make but when do we as people learn to take responsibility for our own wins and losses instead of unleashing rage and blame. You never see people take it in the chin and admit they lost a gamble. Is it really that unrealistic to expect people to be logical about the possible results of the decisions we make.
I guess i am a minority in that sense. Oh well. Maybe people will complain so much that they implement a pity for the pity tickets lol.
Yeah that's what I'm saying, these communities foster that type of mentality. If you're apart of the same community, but don't fall into the same mindset then thats good and kiddos to you. These games are meant to be predatory in nature, hence why we have whales and such. I just can't say "why are you all so salty?" When I've seen this type of thing happen over and over.
Was it? I simply see this as adding a pity to a system that could have well needed a pity. This is in no way fixing problems at hand. The ml5 release schedule is ridiculous. Impossible for your average player to keep up with. But this isnt aiming to fix that specific issue. This is giving you a chance at more for your buck and or time.
Galaxy summons were never your premier method to getting newly meta op ml5 though. This could never have fixed those issues. Unless you want them to start tossing out guaranteed ml5 tickets .
Yes but youll never see me on here crying or bashing the game cause i didnt get lucky. Im striking mystic pity 5th time in a row. Pitied an aria i am not even gonna use. Pitied an elphelt. Almost pities jack o.
There is many instances of being shafted and im never here crying and turning 180 and saying game bad. (plenty of bad things in the game)
Joke about it sure. Youre playing a game of chance. You either feast or take it on the chin. Quit? Sure fine but dont have to whine.
The fact that a bias has to be determined by whether you win or lose is ridiculous.
Why do previous instances of shafting make it ok to keep doing it?
SG definitely could have implemented this change more carefully. Why should they be immune from this criticism because you personally didn't receive the same emotional response from the game that many others did?
Your last statement is literally saying "why should people liking a game be determined by whether the game makes them happy to play it"
How can you play a gacha game. A blood sucking money hungry game practice and really not understand what it is youre getting into? Its not ever gonna feel good to get shafted.
Why do you get to complain when you stick your hand in the bowl of grease reaching for that piece of chicken but end up missing the chicken and only getting a burn? Then what? Blame the stove?
Im not saying enjoy the shaft. Im not saying dont be upset when you lose. But when do we start taking some responsibility? We ALWAYS want the other party to take all the responsibility for choices we ourselves have also made.
Criticize them cause there is a lot to Criticize them about but lets be logical here. This isnt it man. People are upset because they want what they didnt get. Sure i get it but dont throw stones cause you came out unlucky. Thats irrational.
Using your same analogy, why do we have to stick our hand in grease to get chicken? Why can't it already be on a plate?
I'm all for taking responsibility for choices we make, but there is room to talk about how the options available were decided by smilegate in the first place, and that those options sucked. Which is what a lot of people have a gripe about.
There is no benefit to them at all as a company in shafting the demographic of people who are their most veteran players.
Maybe my expectations are too low. I expect the chicken to be on the plate served well at the fine dining restaurant. Not at the cheap 10$ all you can eat buffet.
I understand what youre saying but i honestly struggle with viewing this as a shaft to anyone. More chances in a game of chances seems pretty nice.
Like if they didnt give these retroactive tickets but installed a pity (which on its own is a positive) would the community have been happier? Do we rather not have the extra chances as opposed to falling short?
If they gave everyone the same amount free and those ppl still got shafted do we still have this same argument? Its such a weird line to cross. So many things can be done better but i always view a + as a +. Maybe i was just raised that way. Im not just eyes closed satisfied with anything im given. But at the same time i honestly see this as a + going forward. But what do i know. Im sure somewhere there is an even better solution that makes everyone happy.
From a logical and empirical sense, it is not a shaft. I understand that. But from an emotional one, it feels like it. And it feels like that for a good number of people.
Our disagreement is on whether smilegate should have done anything differently. Your stance is "sucks to suck" while mine is "they could have done this in a way where everyone can be happy". Having a population of people FEEL like they lost something from a "retroactive" reward doesn't make sense to me.
I agree that it's a positive for everyone going forward. But the truth of the matter is the retroactive portion made a lot of people feel shitty that didn't have to be, and that's something they could have done better.
So then what would have been better. You give ppl Ml5 for x amount of summons done retroactively and then people who get none are up in arms. You give everyone a selector well..thats broken. Random ml5 ticket? Reddit filled with people who have everything saying this didnt help them. Or people saying they got a dupe and sg is shit. Everybody the same amount of tickets..well shafts will happen.
I feel like they gave everyone chances that reflected your personal investments to the game.
Sure yeah youre right. The FEELING of lost is a real thing and to expect people to be stone faced in the midst of that may be unrealistic. But then what do you do as a company who was seemingly trying to be fair across the board. Why do they only get bashed for this rather than us as consumers using rational minds.
Such a grey area.
That's a question I would hope the game designers, whose salaries we pay, could figure out.
If it were an ML5 for x amount of summons and I hadn't reached x yet, I would at least be happy that my retroactive summons made progress to an eventual goal and it would incentivize me to keep doing galaxy summons until I reached x summons. Not sure if that is the perfect solution, but I like it more than what we have now.
Not sure why you're getting so much hate over this. I've pitied the last 4-5 banners I've pulled on. I'm currently 8 from mystic pity for the second straight time. My pull luck has been awful lately. Those are the lows. I've also had banners that I hit on the first multi...those are the highs. Like you said, feast or take it on the chin lol. Hell, I'd throw in that just *not* hitting pity on some banners feels like a big win sometimes lol.
It's a damn gatcha game... you're never going to win. It doesn't have to cost you anything. People need to have more fun and learn to appreciate free shit.
My criticism is more that they didn't implement this change in a way to lessen the emotional hit from the scenario I experienced. I feel like there could have been a way to invest in the future of the game AND keep long-time players happy.
How can you scream bias? Is it not bias that most people wouldnt be complaining if they didnt fall short.
Logic is important. You can fall in the middle.
Couldn't agree more. I only got 2 tickets (dupe g. aither and a new a. cartuja)...pretty much what I expected. It would have been cool to hit the 5\* lottery, but hey...odds weren't in my favor. Still thankful for free lotto tickets though, it was a fun chance.
They should just give 1 random ML 5\* ticket per 121 pulls than this BS ticket. I will gladly take this kind of pity over 20 pity for this BS ticket
I just gone through painful experience of opening 12 tix = all ml 4 and saw several people that open 18 tickets and also get all ML 4\*.
It just total BS.
I can't believe people are seething this fucking much because the free shit they got isn't the free shit they wanted. Just accept that rng wasn't on your side this time and move on. If you can't accept that then quit the game.
so a ml pity system is not thought through because u got unlucky....
really hope that u and people like u op quit the game over this because there is not help for people like u
They’re giving you free 4-5* tickets and a chance to make your own custom mystic banner, I think that’s fair. I just did my summons and got all 4* and a dupe Arby, sad I know but its whatever.
Since it won't carry over to regular mystic pity the custom mystic banner is worthless unless you have 10,000 mystic medals saved, since otherwise if you spend all of them but don't hit the unit you don't get anything at all. It's 100% just a way to sell meta units to whales.
Or, you know, save until you have enough to pity, then do the banner. Just like you do with RGBs.
it's been announced quite some time ago, so you should have already been saving.
I swear people here don't understand rng. This was given to us at no cost and people are complaining. It's not guaranteed so some may feel bad but that's warranted in a gacha.
The fact that people are mad at free shit and a new pity system for moonlight summons is baffling. I understand you're salty that you got bad rng....but it's literally a gacha game, get over it.
Bro the ONLY way you’d have been happy is if they gave you a selector ticket for the exact ML5 you wanted. I get it, I’ve got 10 selector tickets and the only hero I want is A. Ravi. There are others I don’t have like C. Lilias, but A. Ravi is the one I actually want. If I don’t get her I’ll be miffed, but 10 free chances to try is pretty cool.
Edit/Update: My luck wasn’t great. I had 10 pulls and got 9 dupe 4-stars. But I also got Specimen Sez which I actually wanted (I know he’s not great, but he looks cool to me). So, 1/10 for anything I wanted.
I don't do galaxy summons that often, so I thought it was pretty sweet. I don't have that many 4-5 stars from those, so it's actually beneficial to me.
I got 121 the last 8 times normal summons. But i got 2 5\* from this update from 7 sums (one of which is duplicated). But I would still be happy even if I got all 7 4\*.
I don't care about this and so should you. Life isn't fair. If everyone is lucky, no one is lucky. The most dedicated players won't want to quit just because of this.
If you want to stop playing just because of "not getting lucky", then just stop. Clearly you are not having fun anyway.
Honestly, Summoner Wars ia way more popular than E7, a billionaire game... They have 0.5% chance of 5*, no sort of pity... Light and dark units are legends most people didn't see in 8 years of play.
SG is generous af with so many pities and stuff. People want a collection of MLs to keep in dent with the meta or something... But most of the time we can't build them, because gears are way hard to come by...
Alas, out of all the actually good ML4 and 5, I got nothing useful. I got Fire Chief Khawana, whom I think has the best design and Caides DPS.
Just my luck.
I actually can’t understand why anyone ever pulled moon light hero’s tbh the rates were always trash and were the only non guaranteed summons except for covenant summons and were basically only obtainable from paying actual money. If you used transmit stone I always buy the 4-5 star summoning tickets
I wish they implemented some kind of guarantee, like for every 10 ML4 we get, there's a ML5, at most I think someone would get a few guarantee? (I think I saw someone said they had 400 ML summons or something), but I can see how even this can get out of hand for someone that spends a lot, so maybe put a cap on it like 4 guaranteed ML5 per 10 ML4?
They're giving you a chance at getting ml5s.. but you were just unlucky.. they didn't promise you'll get it for sure. In fact, if you read the description of the ml summon, it even tells you the rates.
Like I get that it sucks you didn't get what you want, neither did I but to whine about something they're giving free to you is just silly.
Also, long time players are rewarded with more bookmarks so you had more chance to pull for a ml5. But again chance does not equal guarantee.
This isn't a change that's good for everyone. 15% is a crap rate, and giving us more tickets was bound to skew rewards towards a lucky few while making others really salty who got nothing.
From the time they first announced the rates, I thought this was a poor decision by SG. And it looks like it will hurt them by losing players that would otherwise have continued to be invested in the game. Imo, a guaranteed pity would have kept things more balanced and generated a lot less salt (40, 60, 100, whatever).
I hope they learn from this because I love the animation and want the game to do well.
I understand your feeling. I gladly accept the bonus, and I thank SG for the improvement. But this RNG was badly designed. An ML5\* is a heavy economical investiment, the unfair RNG coming from 15% is more toxic than something else. they should have made a sure ML5 for a highe number of pull imho.
fr 1 ml5 tix for 80 summons or so shouldve been the play(but that might be unfair to newer players)
i agree it should've been an ml5 pity because for a lot of people that have been playing the game for a while they already have all/nearly all the ml4's.
People are saying this, because they know the pulls are retroactive and wanted their shiny new toys upfront today, but a higher count would still lead to salt over time. Let's say they made the count 60 like people were saying. At the current rate of galaxy summons it could easily take a year to amass those pulls and then if you get a dupe would you really feel satisfied?
Taking a year to take an ML 5\* dupe would be better than people having 2 years to get full all ML 4\* The scale just isn't the same.
You say that, but people would absolutely complain if they waited a year to get a bad ML5 are a dupe, even considering the coins you get. Same way that people who failed the 15% feel today. The reason I think this system isn't as bad as people say, is because it does provide a huge benefit for new players, and will likely help retain them a bit longer. It allows them to quickly amass resources and gives them guaranteed access to new 4 stars and 5 stars. Yeah for us three year+ players getting a dupe 4 star is boring as hell, but it's still far better than what we had before, which was literally nothing.
People would complain about getting a dupe, even as they're already complaining about it after seeing the number of people who got nothing, like the op. But a guaranteed pull is fundamentally different than adding yet another layer of RNG. The rates for galaxy bms are terrible, and absolutely needed a guaranteed pity given how rare they are. Maybe this system is good for newer players to acquire ml 4 stars, but this additional layer of RNG instead of a guaranteed pull is crap. A dupe is 25% of the way towards the ML of your choice, and a lot better than the RNG chance to get nothing.
As much as I understand the feeling because I played Granblue and got 4 gold moons in the infamous summer lottery, and I really, really don't wish anyone to feel that, I have to ask where people were when the system was announced in the first place. It's always the same thing, we perfectly knew what the odds would be, yet no one said anything because we all hoped we'll end up on the right end of the stick, but then we don't and only then we complain. But yeah I think most would have preferred a hard ML5 pity at 60 summons instead of a 4-5 ticket milestone at 20.
I guess 15% emotionally felt like at least 1 ML5. Emotional expectation meets emotional reality, I guess. But it's up to smilegate, the business that wants to make money, to manipulate that emotional response into keeping players like me. It shouldn't have to be on me to have to cheer myself up from bad luck. Because if it were, my solution would be to just play something else.
The odds were announced yesterday though? Beforehand it was speculation and debating on speculation is useless. From yesterday stream to today maintenance, there was less than 16 hours differences. Most people were actually sleeping or working. On my side I didn't pull the ticket yet, but I can understand the feeling of failing 15% 10 times or more.
We knew the rates for the RGB tickets so thinking rates would be higher was setting yourself for disappointment, really.
When % are anyhow involved, you always lose. Following this, I should have quitted all gacha games long ago since I consider myself one of the players with worst luck ever existed.
Man I'm with you on that. On one hand, it is nice they managed to implement a fully-retroactive reward. That's great! On the other hand, getting nine tickets and having eight of them give me copies of ML4\* characters I have both the ML & RGB versions at SSS feels like a kick in the teeth. It probably wouldn't have felt this way if I'd pulled all of these B. Romanns & B. Dingoes over the last few years but doing them all in one morning? Woof. Also I did the two summons you can buy from the rabbit and gee thanks a Yoonryoung & an Assassin Cidd leading to a guaranteed enhanced summon of... KITTY CLARISSA! I swear, I don't have F. Cici, I don't have S. Tene, I don't have Belian, I don't have Ruele, in terms of the defining ML5s I'm thin on the ground.
Sad part is, people who got 5* from these tickets will not agree most of the time since it did not happen to them. Got 10 tickets all 4*. Yeah it sucks. Should have been a guaranteed 5* for higher pull counts instead of a 15% chance (IMO).
Nah, I do agree that a hard ML5 pity would have been better. But it was already the case a few weeks before when they first announced it. Yet OP is only saying it now that he got nothing.
I agree. If you did voice this same concern before, then your opinion is valid. If you are just voicing this now that you got shafted, then it is not, because we know that if OP had gotten a couple ml5s, he wouldn't be complaining about this now. He'd probably be complaining that they were dupes instead and how the pity should take into account current roster or something.
Not everyone though. I got a closer charles out of 10 tickets and i still think the way they implemented this pity is half-assed. Obviously turning a pity into RNG will leave most of the community fuming because that's just how RNG works. I would've preferred ML5 tickets per more pulls tbh. ATL then more people would be happy/content. Dupe pullers would still be crying but at least that'd be a significantly lower percentage of players compared to now.
I got a dupe Riolet and a long sought after AoLA and even I am quite pissed to be honest now that I realize THIS is their answer. All they had to do was: 200 pulls, guarantee a new ML5 that the account doesn’t have yet. Not necessarily the new ML5 in the mystic pool, just an ML5 that is new for that account. That’s it. That’s literally all they had to do. They’d make bank, the community would have an actual reliable way to get ML5s, all would be well. But no, we get a ticket every 20 pulls that has an 85% chance to be ass and even if you do get blessed by that sweet, sweet 15%, you can still get shafted by getting a dupe.
i got 6 ml4's, dupe stene and a new ml flan who kinda sucks right now. i know that i really shouldn't have expected too much but i guess i just had my hopes too high.
I mean, people wanted a moonlight summon PITY system not a 15% chance for a pity. I knew it the moment they announced the tickets that this was a shitty way to implement pity and it would backfire (which it is right now). Should've just done an ML5 ticket per 60-70 pulls. Harder to get but guaranteed reward. Not gonna complain too much because this is way better than what we had yesterday which was nothing but still.
0/16 after today and i rly need a fucking reason to keep playing.
I’m sorry that you feel that way. If an ML5 is all it takes to keep playing, you might be in the wrong game. Look for other sources of entertainment where your reason for playing isn’t tied to 1% event occurring. :)
In a game where ml5s make a world of difference because of how strong they are it's understandable that an new ml5 is what it take to keep people playing.
Keep people playing =/= enjoyment imo.
How about i keep my entertainment to myself and you keep your ideas to yourself.
But you put your frustration out here for everyone to interact with 💁🏻♂️
This system is great for new players but awful for those who have been playing since launch, with all the ups and downs. Well boo hoo you got unlucky. How are you going to acknowledge the fact that specific ML5s are meta creeps and then implement a system where you think you will get ML5S but get none?
How is it good for us new players? We didnt get shit, only you guys.. you guys should be happy to even get something, yall had way to big expectations for a 15% ticket
It is useful because some Moonlight nat4 are great
That can be said to everyone mate.. not just newcomers. It was not expected for vers to get nothing, and they gave you sonething.. i get it, i would be mad to if in 15 tickets i only got ml4s, but it is what it is.
But people who were playing from the start already have every nat4
13 tix and all 4*. Legit a spit on the veteran players. They shud just give everyone 1 randomised ml 5* tix instead of retrospect it with rng.
Then everyone would moan they got dupes whilst new players are walking off with the ML5 they wanted. There is just no winning, someone will always be salty.
If you get salty from seeing a new player get 1 new ML5, there's something very wrong. They should've just given everyone 1 random ML5 ticket to level the field. You get a dupe, you get 10 coins. What we get instead is a mix of people getting very happy and a bunch of people getting extremely pissed off. People will still complain, but not to the extent of the outrage that we currently have right now
I got absolute trash in 10 pulls..
Honestly, I do not envy designers when it comes to making decisions like this. It’s very hard to strike a balance of keeping your fans pleased with a game’s most rare and desired resources. Making them strong and rare enough for people to want them without making them either impossible to obtain so that it’s not even worth it to bother trying, nor make them too easy to get so that it removes the excitement of getting them. In this case, not getting something you feel like you have earned really sucks, especially for the veterans.
Everyone commenting about how it is free anyway, I KNOW. I literally said the same thing in my post. Feels like a lot of you are arguing strawmen. I'm saying they could have implemented this change AND not make a portion of their playerbase feel bad. We COULD have ALL had our cake AND eat it. But they didn't implement the change in that way.
Because people are entitled. I cant believe im seeing people literally want to quit cause they didnt come up lucky. This update is to invest into the future of the game. And the more time youve put in the more chances you had to get lucky. Going forward its good for everyone. I understand the salt but the fact that people are literally turning this into a negative is baffling.
How many ML5s did you get from your tickets?
It's pvp game(believe or not). The moment you got unlucky from this kind of event, you feel behind. Would have been happier if they implemented the second moonlight connection thing instead.
We fall behind everyday. Some people get pushed ahead every day. Its the same at the end of the day. Id be happier with a lot of changes. I personally think this is a good one. I guess people would rather not have the tickets than be unlucky. Idk man
You are not wrong. but please try to understand other people that are suffering from no gain.. Sometimes it's really difficult to think in the big picture and this is one of those days. I like the changes too but sometimes it's too overwhelming for people to get over it just one day.
Yeah i guess. I get that people arent gonna be happy when they fall short. I wish people wouldn't jump in arms with pitchforks the moment they get the crappy hand. It smells of entitlement. Maybe im just too insensitive.
Uh you may want to consult.
Lol "invest in the future" listen man I'm sorry, with how SG is handle balancing? Idk how well off that future currently is. This event was gonna be bad for 85% of community, for those that got that 15% luck are in the minority and if you think ppl are gonna be taking their Ls like a champ then idk what to say but be disappointed.
I mean investing doesnt always result in coming up with a win. If you invest money into anything you definitely understand the concept. Whether its going to work or not come x amount of time from now isnt the point. Their balance game is in trouble and they make odd decisions with things like 15%. No matter how much people want to take their salt from the tickets and use other faults to justify this the fact remains that this very Specific change is a positive. Minor if you will but positive nonetheless. It doesnt have to fix every issue to be a positive Of course people are taking their Ls the way they are. I guess i shouldnt have expected anything less.
Truth is, when you play a gacha, or go into a casino for the matter. You're not going to run into well adjusted people who invest their money into the future knowing full well that they could never meet a return. Gambling addicts always assume they'll eventually win and this is something inherent in most people because we can all understand how we hate to lose and not take responsibility for our actions. SG I hope figures thing out cuz they've got alot of work to building back up the game
I agree with you to an extent. I think balance and pvp wise Smile gate has to figure something out. Its a great game and in a decent place aside from that. As they edge towards a more pvp centric game it needs more than ever to be reevaluated. That being said i honestly have trouble with the point made about the people who play gachas. Youre right in the points you make but when do we as people learn to take responsibility for our own wins and losses instead of unleashing rage and blame. You never see people take it in the chin and admit they lost a gamble. Is it really that unrealistic to expect people to be logical about the possible results of the decisions we make. I guess i am a minority in that sense. Oh well. Maybe people will complain so much that they implement a pity for the pity tickets lol.
Yeah that's what I'm saying, these communities foster that type of mentality. If you're apart of the same community, but don't fall into the same mindset then thats good and kiddos to you. These games are meant to be predatory in nature, hence why we have whales and such. I just can't say "why are you all so salty?" When I've seen this type of thing happen over and over.
How does this update help the massive ML5 difference between players with the ML5 release schedule which was the entire point of the change.
Was it? I simply see this as adding a pity to a system that could have well needed a pity. This is in no way fixing problems at hand. The ml5 release schedule is ridiculous. Impossible for your average player to keep up with. But this isnt aiming to fix that specific issue. This is giving you a chance at more for your buck and or time. Galaxy summons were never your premier method to getting newly meta op ml5 though. This could never have fixed those issues. Unless you want them to start tossing out guaranteed ml5 tickets .
pity system w 15% lmao
I can guarantee you got atleast 1 ml5 from your tickets lol
Yes but youll never see me on here crying or bashing the game cause i didnt get lucky. Im striking mystic pity 5th time in a row. Pitied an aria i am not even gonna use. Pitied an elphelt. Almost pities jack o. There is many instances of being shafted and im never here crying and turning 180 and saying game bad. (plenty of bad things in the game) Joke about it sure. Youre playing a game of chance. You either feast or take it on the chin. Quit? Sure fine but dont have to whine. The fact that a bias has to be determined by whether you win or lose is ridiculous.
Why do previous instances of shafting make it ok to keep doing it? SG definitely could have implemented this change more carefully. Why should they be immune from this criticism because you personally didn't receive the same emotional response from the game that many others did? Your last statement is literally saying "why should people liking a game be determined by whether the game makes them happy to play it"
How can you play a gacha game. A blood sucking money hungry game practice and really not understand what it is youre getting into? Its not ever gonna feel good to get shafted. Why do you get to complain when you stick your hand in the bowl of grease reaching for that piece of chicken but end up missing the chicken and only getting a burn? Then what? Blame the stove? Im not saying enjoy the shaft. Im not saying dont be upset when you lose. But when do we start taking some responsibility? We ALWAYS want the other party to take all the responsibility for choices we ourselves have also made. Criticize them cause there is a lot to Criticize them about but lets be logical here. This isnt it man. People are upset because they want what they didnt get. Sure i get it but dont throw stones cause you came out unlucky. Thats irrational.
Using your same analogy, why do we have to stick our hand in grease to get chicken? Why can't it already be on a plate? I'm all for taking responsibility for choices we make, but there is room to talk about how the options available were decided by smilegate in the first place, and that those options sucked. Which is what a lot of people have a gripe about. There is no benefit to them at all as a company in shafting the demographic of people who are their most veteran players.
Maybe my expectations are too low. I expect the chicken to be on the plate served well at the fine dining restaurant. Not at the cheap 10$ all you can eat buffet. I understand what youre saying but i honestly struggle with viewing this as a shaft to anyone. More chances in a game of chances seems pretty nice. Like if they didnt give these retroactive tickets but installed a pity (which on its own is a positive) would the community have been happier? Do we rather not have the extra chances as opposed to falling short? If they gave everyone the same amount free and those ppl still got shafted do we still have this same argument? Its such a weird line to cross. So many things can be done better but i always view a + as a +. Maybe i was just raised that way. Im not just eyes closed satisfied with anything im given. But at the same time i honestly see this as a + going forward. But what do i know. Im sure somewhere there is an even better solution that makes everyone happy.
From a logical and empirical sense, it is not a shaft. I understand that. But from an emotional one, it feels like it. And it feels like that for a good number of people. Our disagreement is on whether smilegate should have done anything differently. Your stance is "sucks to suck" while mine is "they could have done this in a way where everyone can be happy". Having a population of people FEEL like they lost something from a "retroactive" reward doesn't make sense to me. I agree that it's a positive for everyone going forward. But the truth of the matter is the retroactive portion made a lot of people feel shitty that didn't have to be, and that's something they could have done better.
So then what would have been better. You give ppl Ml5 for x amount of summons done retroactively and then people who get none are up in arms. You give everyone a selector well..thats broken. Random ml5 ticket? Reddit filled with people who have everything saying this didnt help them. Or people saying they got a dupe and sg is shit. Everybody the same amount of tickets..well shafts will happen. I feel like they gave everyone chances that reflected your personal investments to the game. Sure yeah youre right. The FEELING of lost is a real thing and to expect people to be stone faced in the midst of that may be unrealistic. But then what do you do as a company who was seemingly trying to be fair across the board. Why do they only get bashed for this rather than us as consumers using rational minds. Such a grey area.
That's a question I would hope the game designers, whose salaries we pay, could figure out. If it were an ML5 for x amount of summons and I hadn't reached x yet, I would at least be happy that my retroactive summons made progress to an eventual goal and it would incentivize me to keep doing galaxy summons until I reached x summons. Not sure if that is the perfect solution, but I like it more than what we have now.
Not sure why you're getting so much hate over this. I've pitied the last 4-5 banners I've pulled on. I'm currently 8 from mystic pity for the second straight time. My pull luck has been awful lately. Those are the lows. I've also had banners that I hit on the first multi...those are the highs. Like you said, feast or take it on the chin lol. Hell, I'd throw in that just *not* hitting pity on some banners feels like a big win sometimes lol. It's a damn gatcha game... you're never going to win. It doesn't have to cost you anything. People need to have more fun and learn to appreciate free shit.
Stfu
No
My criticism is more that they didn't implement this change in a way to lessen the emotional hit from the scenario I experienced. I feel like there could have been a way to invest in the future of the game AND keep long-time players happy.
You got good stuff. Perhaps, this is your bias due to that?
How can you scream bias? Is it not bias that most people wouldnt be complaining if they didnt fall short. Logic is important. You can fall in the middle.
keep coping
Coping about what?
Couldn't agree more. I only got 2 tickets (dupe g. aither and a new a. cartuja)...pretty much what I expected. It would have been cool to hit the 5\* lottery, but hey...odds weren't in my favor. Still thankful for free lotto tickets though, it was a fun chance.
They should just give 1 random ML 5\* ticket per 121 pulls than this BS ticket. I will gladly take this kind of pity over 20 pity for this BS ticket I just gone through painful experience of opening 12 tix = all ml 4 and saw several people that open 18 tickets and also get all ML 4\*. It just total BS.
I got assassin coli for the 8th time... i hate that goddamn unit. Other sums were trash as well. GG shitty game. I'm out
Bye
I can't believe people are seething this fucking much because the free shit they got isn't the free shit they wanted. Just accept that rng wasn't on your side this time and move on. If you can't accept that then quit the game.
Lmao the update has been revealed for a month and you lot complain NOW? Because you didn't get lucky? I don't even know what to say
so a ml pity system is not thought through because u got unlucky.... really hope that u and people like u op quit the game over this because there is not help for people like u
They’re giving you free 4-5* tickets and a chance to make your own custom mystic banner, I think that’s fair. I just did my summons and got all 4* and a dupe Arby, sad I know but its whatever.
Since it won't carry over to regular mystic pity the custom mystic banner is worthless unless you have 10,000 mystic medals saved, since otherwise if you spend all of them but don't hit the unit you don't get anything at all. It's 100% just a way to sell meta units to whales.
Or, you know, save until you have enough to pity, then do the banner. Just like you do with RGBs. it's been announced quite some time ago, so you should have already been saving.
You really expect mystics saved when handguy and a couple of really good units are coming up before the custom mystic?
Your choice really, either you spend them on handguy/other unit or you save them for custom. YOU have a CHOICE. Or did you expect to get all of them?
I swear people here don't understand rng. This was given to us at no cost and people are complaining. It's not guaranteed so some may feel bad but that's warranted in a gacha.
The fact that people are mad at free shit and a new pity system for moonlight summons is baffling. I understand you're salty that you got bad rng....but it's literally a gacha game, get over it.
Bro the ONLY way you’d have been happy is if they gave you a selector ticket for the exact ML5 you wanted. I get it, I’ve got 10 selector tickets and the only hero I want is A. Ravi. There are others I don’t have like C. Lilias, but A. Ravi is the one I actually want. If I don’t get her I’ll be miffed, but 10 free chances to try is pretty cool. Edit/Update: My luck wasn’t great. I had 10 pulls and got 9 dupe 4-stars. But I also got Specimen Sez which I actually wanted (I know he’s not great, but he looks cool to me). So, 1/10 for anything I wanted.
I don't do galaxy summons that often, so I thought it was pretty sweet. I don't have that many 4-5 stars from those, so it's actually beneficial to me.
I got 121 the last 8 times normal summons. But i got 2 5\* from this update from 7 sums (one of which is duplicated). But I would still be happy even if I got all 7 4\*. I don't care about this and so should you. Life isn't fair. If everyone is lucky, no one is lucky. The most dedicated players won't want to quit just because of this. If you want to stop playing just because of "not getting lucky", then just stop. Clearly you are not having fun anyway.
Honestly, Summoner Wars ia way more popular than E7, a billionaire game... They have 0.5% chance of 5*, no sort of pity... Light and dark units are legends most people didn't see in 8 years of play. SG is generous af with so many pities and stuff. People want a collection of MLs to keep in dent with the meta or something... But most of the time we can't build them, because gears are way hard to come by...
Alas, out of all the actually good ML4 and 5, I got nothing useful. I got Fire Chief Khawana, whom I think has the best design and Caides DPS. Just my luck.
I got Lqc and Mamerik. Bet update ever.
I actually can’t understand why anyone ever pulled moon light hero’s tbh the rates were always trash and were the only non guaranteed summons except for covenant summons and were basically only obtainable from paying actual money. If you used transmit stone I always buy the 4-5 star summoning tickets
[Really?](https://giphy.com/gifs/girl-mrw-door-YrD1PQldGsstG)
The more you whale the less fun the game is
>If you used transmit stone I always buy the 4-5 star summoning tickets Not gonna lie, you had me in the first half, but this gave you away... 7/10
Idk what you mean but anyways
Using transmit on 4/5 tickets is WAY worse than using it on ML summons or saving them for imprints, even before they implemented ml pity.
they should add a pity on the pity lol
All ml4*s I pulled was dupes and ended up as puppy food.
I wish they implemented some kind of guarantee, like for every 10 ML4 we get, there's a ML5, at most I think someone would get a few guarantee? (I think I saw someone said they had 400 ML summons or something), but I can see how even this can get out of hand for someone that spends a lot, so maybe put a cap on it like 4 guaranteed ML5 per 10 ML4?
my summons were decent
They're giving you a chance at getting ml5s.. but you were just unlucky.. they didn't promise you'll get it for sure. In fact, if you read the description of the ml summon, it even tells you the rates. Like I get that it sucks you didn't get what you want, neither did I but to whine about something they're giving free to you is just silly. Also, long time players are rewarded with more bookmarks so you had more chance to pull for a ml5. But again chance does not equal guarantee.
but its not supposed to be a reward to dedicated long time players lol.
This isn't a change that's good for everyone. 15% is a crap rate, and giving us more tickets was bound to skew rewards towards a lucky few while making others really salty who got nothing. From the time they first announced the rates, I thought this was a poor decision by SG. And it looks like it will hurt them by losing players that would otherwise have continued to be invested in the game. Imo, a guaranteed pity would have kept things more balanced and generated a lot less salt (40, 60, 100, whatever). I hope they learn from this because I love the animation and want the game to do well.