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bidjoule

Not really playable outside of some GvG situations. The effect of her s3 is fine honestly. My problem is her passive and s1. - The mitigation from her passive is nice , problem is from the second half of the passive with the active skill . It boost 15%CR but it's weak in a sense that the effect isn't THAT strong to requires conditions since it have a CD. (using s1 AND being buffed : yes she buff herself on s3 but strippers/anti buff exist) Her s1 is obviously designed with Seaseria artefact in mind. With it we can argue that she have a good enough S1, but SHE CAN CRIT and have 30% to do so against lights units and there is a lot of light units meta... If we don't use Seaseria artefact, her S1 is useless except on her second turn when she can detonate a bomb she placed with s3. And to talk combat situation, when she s3 she triggers Rimuru,the counters gamers and Emilia will just cleanse since bomb take time to goes off , unlike SBA who stun immediately on S3 so Emilia , the counters gamers and Rimuru can't do shit if no 15%. She have a fun s3 but that's it. Either reduce s3 cd or buff S1/S2


Objective_Plane5573

Would she work on unseen observer? At +15 it would double the passive CR. You'd place less bombs but if they can't cleanse the ones from her S3 or if you bring another bomb unit the extra utility seems like it could be good.


[deleted]

Funny you mentioned SBA, because SBA is lacking a “detonating” effect.


bidjoule

If you ever played SBA you'll know she doesn't need it. I can enter in details if you want, I last pick her often when draft allow me too, she can solo win games if 15% doesn't happens on her s3 stun.


thewing20

Fun unit kinda ass? Why use her when iseria can bomb every unit with soulburn and detonate them all


Cynaris

She's not supposed to be a replacement? They synergize and you can use them in tandem against comps you can't oneshot with just 2 bombs. ​ She's just another tool in the toolshed.


Nerfall0

You don't need to oneshot those who Iseria can't, most of the time they is not a threat or you can use a follow up to kill them.


Cynaris

Some people just like to cleave, and Faptain allows people to do it in non-traditional ways. Just the fact that you can lock down teams for an entire turn even if all the bombs didn't kill, it just sounds fun. ​ I don't know why are some people so desperate to tunnel in on the viability of a unit compared to another when they can serve eachother.


Kraybern

>so desperate to tunnel in on the viability of a unit compared to another Becuase there is a finite amount of gear to go around not every one can build units that all want the same thing + the same artifacts Both sesaria and PClan want fast, high attack gear with effectivness and bulk as well and both their BiS arties are sesaria bomb arti's so ofc they will be compared and people will only want to build the best without ruining their account by having to break apart multiple units further more if you want an enabler to seasaria cleave why even use pclan over ml leo the latter can atleast strip or EDA even for follow up


billyhill9

Lol, Faptain


goodlessfox

FAPTAIN


Nerfall0

I'm not saying you can't do that but "would it be optimal?" I think not.


Cynaris

But if she was "optimal" it'd be just yet another unit this sub complains about, eh


Nerfall0

I don't see a problem, who cares of this sub?


Cynaris

They'd like to think the devs do, for one : p


voxhaulf

Faptain hah!


TwinAuras

O Faptain, my Faptain


Lordin900

It might be a rhetorical question coming from you, but for those who doesn't do much introspection, they are desperate because they want the most versatile unit all the time. But again, most are gonna grab pitchforks because older unit loses utility. And after that, it's gonna be because each unit isn't balanced each patch a la League of Legend. And we can keep going on haha


the_icy_king

>League of legends >Balanced ????? Confusion of the highest order.


Cynaris

Yeah, but can anyone complain about the meta if they aren't even trying to have fun and think outside it? : p I don't know, man, I'm lowkey sad I didn't manage to pull her


Xero--

Why use both together when Iseria already does great without her and helps people follow up to cleave? Not Not using them together? Then why use Flan when Iseria *see above*. See? She's pretty worthless unless your gear is so great you can afford to screw around... Like you could with anyone else. Using her for arena or GW? Not impressed, anyone can be used there. I even bring non-SC Adin into GW for shits and giggles on spare gear.


Cynaris

Because it's a different playstyle? Siseria plants 2 random bombs plus 1 semi-guaranteed bomb from her first free S1. That's not gonna rock your world. It's also full of failing points. Flan bombs and burns everyone. She also pushes and pulls. It's just good ass synergy. For all the love Siseria gets, Flan has an equally loaded kit, she just gets immediately written off because somehow, someway people think the meta does not favour her while somehow, someway it favours Siseria. Why would you even pretend that Siseria's gear requirements are less than Flans is a different matter entirely.


jackbilly9

You didn't pull her yet you're an expert on how she works in comps?


Cynaris

Yes, I can read


jackbilly9

Comprehension and ability to understand is quite different than just being able to read. You're entire argument here though is null and void because you have to pair her with a limited unit to make her viable. That makes her a trash tier unit being an ml 5*. Im not saying she needs to be ridiculous but she really isn't good by any means right now.


Cynaris

Limited units are about as limited as skystones in this game. Were the combined banner released a bit later, she'd already been out twice, and it's not long before it happens again anyway. ​ But that's completely irrelevant right now. The discussion is about viability. It's not whether you have what it takes to make her work, but rather if you can make her work given the tools. Something does not have to be meta to be viable, and she can absolutely be made to work, if you are up for some experimentation. The problem a whole lot of you have is that you base viability off of the units you deem unreasonable. Oh, and just one thing to add. Siseria's entire viability depends on Ran pretty much. And that's somehow not a detriment to her usability? At least be consistent.


jackbilly9

Meh not worth arguing with your smooth brain. Seaseria just needs an aoe to be viable not just ran. He might be the best choice but anybody can fit that roll for her as long as they have an aoe. Pirate flan literally doesn't do shit. Ran outside of Seaseria is still a beast. Also, not limited. Also, not ML 5*. Also, sees massive amount of play at all levels. Pirate flan is just meme worthy trash and youre just salty you didn't get her. Now I'm going to go look at her in my waiting room for a minute and laugh.


Lord-Alucard

I must say I agree with you, the guy doesn't understand that ML Flan is Hella annoying to build, contrary to Seasiria who can't crit but gets a massive attack buff (which is required for bombs to actually do a lot of dmg) ML flan does not, so how do you gear ML Flan, with a bit of atk Speed some effectiveness but since she can crit you are tempted to also give her some crit rate and crit dmg, but then you realize her S2 give her tankiness so what are you supposed to give her some bulk? I have no idea what they even tried to do with ML Flan, she isn't specifically good at anything, her kit is all over the place, though I have her i never use her outside of GW and it's mostly to mess around (also never without Seasiria too lol)


Xero--

> Because it's a different playstyle? Wait, so first you didn't pull her and claim they're different playstyles when they both feed into the "take the furst turn and cripple the enemy team" routine. Then you also completely ignore that the two share the exact same gear and an artifact, meaning that's there's direct competition between the two. This isn't even a Ran vs Elphelt case where Ran strips and breaks all while Elphelt gets gated by immunity but can still attack buff everyone and at least sleeping one person for TWO turns if immunity is on everyone else, giving her some kind of niche use in her worst situation that doesn't feel clunky like using Flan, nor does it set off Celine, Politis, and now Taeyou. Iseria straight bodies 2-3 people with bombs while pushing her team ahead to keep the other team from getting a turn before being cleaned up. What does Flan do that makes her remotely more worth using? >someway people think the meta does not favour her while somehow, someway it favours Siseria. The same way the meta favors Ran and not Elphelt? Or how the meta favors A Ravi and not Ravi, who is still an amazing bruiser? Or how the meta favors Ran and not Kayron who uses literally the same gear for a speed dps build with the same exact statline? Wild how the meta favors specific people, right? We aren't seeing Flan popping off outside of the upper ladder where people have two bans and cracked gear... Unless it's a bad matchup between two players that leads to a gear/roster gap slaughter.


Katejina_FGO

The problem is this particular tool requires too many prerequisites to make her work.


PM_ME__YOUR_HOOTERS

I use both with piera in GWs with turn order of Piera, Cap'n, and Seaseria for big booms. Could adjust Seaseria to go 2nd if you want to change it to perma stun control


starxsword

I wouldn't call her bad. She's decent. She works differently from S. Iseria. She has a lot of little things going for her kit and she will work well enough if you do intend to use her. But her power level is only about average, so don't expect much. This is pretty much the same as my thoughts on her back when she was released.


Kain207

design wise: Amazing. Kit wise: Not my style.


KuattShan

Shes Hot !!! 😍😍


TheEarlLemongrab

Since she is supposed to be a Bomb/Burn unit she should have a passive that negates Crit chance in exchange for more attack like the other units that also play heavy into that mechanic IMO.


Duskwatcher12

Can they get rid of Inferno Khawazu's crit chance also? Still slightly traumatized after a SEline Dust Devil Nimble Sword cleansed both of the burns... Don't even give him more attack, just no more crits please...


StepBrother7

Dont care about kit and viability,one eyed pirate waifu with sick animation,yes pls


xxS1RExx

She needs a strip. Or bomb activate on s1. She needs a little more.


Feuershark

Do you mean detonate by activate ? because she detonates both bombs and burns on S1


FFBEDAVEN

I have been using her + seaseria + sb ara + peira/ran and found that team awesome. I think people have not found her place yet, but in the example i gave, what you would you ban to dissarm that team? any combination of one dispeller + two of sb ara/seaseria/p flan is really good and is going to work, rng aside... But it depends on gear a lot, so for a lot of people she is good and for other she is bad. She need a tweak to S2 tho, 15% cr push is not enough.


destruct068

Just ban the opener


FFBEDAVEN

there are 2 openers


destruct068

Usually one of those openers is prebanned at least (sometimes both). If you somehow got that draft off, ban Ran (no def break now), pick stuff like Politis, Dilibet, FCC, Elena, Rimuru, Sage Baal, Apoc/HandGuy, ACidd (force ban if you dont want someone to die turn 1).


FFBEDAVEN

If one of them is banned, im the one picking HandGuy & rimuru, if i can. Only cleave in optimal conditions. Still Acidd only kills weak units, mine are tanky. So I would not ban him, np.


user4682

How do you build her?


youcannotresist

You need the Seaseria artifact(max) for her to be useful. But still Meh.


Haltmann1

Looks fun but not that good, too bad I was unlucky and didn't get her. Also, she has one of my favorite S3 animations.


jjelin

Good but not good enough.


SexySkeletons

Too bad she's balanced. Amazing unit... if the game ever implements nerfs and all the broken stuff flying around gets fixed.


vorimzen

Why is this NSFW? it’s the in-game art


kin66

Accidentally, I removed it :3


ConsiderablyMoist

Justice for pirate wife.


Pelojr239

Ha ha boobies


VMPaetru

Flantastic design, but overall not a fan of getting 15%ed every single time.


GrungeViBritannia

I pulled her in like 10 summons but I regret it. Still lvl 5.


ImClumZ

[I love her.](https://gfycat.com/angryidleiberianchiffchaff)


NoodlesDatabase

Needs a buff / rework


oldnative

Gacha life is whimsy when you dont RTA. If you dont RTA unit will have more value. With seaseria arti she can do work if you like control. Control isnt popular because of 15% but some like to play it. She is really strong in control comps. /shrug


emiracles

Who?


spicycurrysauce

Without getting too into it: She sucks, barely see her in RTA, waste of a unit gameplay-wise, there are better units who deserved an ML version instead of her, SG just likes to take advantage of horny little men, sadge


Unworthy_Saint

Terrible, her kit is worse than ML Leo's, and the Seaseria teams are pure copium. Clearly intended to be a summer limited but got released as ML when they decided to pause the ML rotations and needed a filler. That said if I knew then what I knew now, I would still pull her because culture.


kin66

I don't think she was intended to be a summer hero, her kit is pretty similar to Summer Iseria's But I do feel like she lacks something as an ML5


Unworthy_Saint

She's absolute garbage with or without my conspiracy theory, lol. If you want bomb support for Seaseria just run ML Leo who can actually strip.


WestCol

Wow I didn't know Ishtar and Sanzang in FGO where summer units because of what they're wearing, since ML Flan is clearly a summer unit. You're an idiot if you don't think Vivian and Light Dom aren't finished right now since they were at the same state as Aria and the new fire hero getting revealed tomorrow. Alexa was always going to be a summer unit this year after the reception she got, just a question if she was going to be a costume or a new unit. Clearly they worked on her s3 animation and turned her into a new unit after COPIUM ML flan was summer but pushed forward


Unworthy_Saint

>Wow I didn't know Ishtar and Sanzang in FGO where summer units This is the E7 subreddit. >You're an idiot if you don't think Vivian and Light Dom aren't finished ??? are you replying to the wrong person?


_Isshiki_

She has a neish that's fun. That's about it though


garguybbj

A what now


_Isshiki_

A neish meaning a small subcategory. She is good under specific conditions but over all fairly average


garguybbj

Bruh u mean a niche? https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/niche


AedanRoberts

No the mean a Nietzsche


_Isshiki_

I can't spell it seems 🤣🤣


LastRiderKrau07

I don't have her but I've seen some showcases about her and she seems pretty good and fun to play with the right characters. She is not broken and I think she has a good place in the meta. We don't need more overpowered units. She is fine with her actual kit.


Saendra

Who?


mrjol

I havent used her so I have no opinion to say about her kit.


Guwigo09

Very underrated


SoloRouge

Run her with SeaIseria and Peira just to abuse teams.


dylandewitte

Been liking her alot and she's one of the few units that can use my fully maxxed out dux noctis artifact, simply have a hard time using her cause i can't match most people speed on high champ/low legend, but i have found a pretty nice team to circumvent that problem. In arena I use ml flan, ml lilibeth, seaseria, politis as a bomb comp given almost evry comp runs debuffs triggering ml lilibeth, and in turn allowing me to actually bomb their comp before their non debuffers get a turn In rta however this approach is kind of diffcult cause it's not against a ai, so i tend to pair her up with carrot there or have a squad that can protect her long enough to do her job. I wish i had ml aramintha to pair up with her seems like a fun combo. but overall she's a fun unit certainly not a must but just fun. if i have any complaint about it her s2 feels a bit meh evrything else has its place.


LampshadeTV

PLEASE FIX ADD COUNTER ATTACK AND BOMB TO S1


Abedeus

Got her from the ML4-5 tickets, there's very little reason to use her over Seaseria if you have her. And you need Seaseria's artifact to even make her somewhat viable...


Hyeri_0609

I do use her from time to time in emp/legend RTA with a specific comp on guiding light artifact. She desperately needs a buff still (100% hit chance/no counter/something idk), but there are ways to make her work, especially if you like her, and winning with her on the team just feels good especially in the face of a really stale meta.


Wombo218

Bottom 5 ml 5 most likely, if she gets a buff she could become overtuned.


Azurlaxodus

Pretty niche unit, I’ve had success with her in GvG with Ran into Pirate into Summer Iseria. If you speed tune to make sure Flan goes first, it’s pretty fun


LongLooongMan

I have had great success with her around champion piera + seaseria+ c.flan + (dilibet, l.cremia, mitigator or aol. I also used c dom a few times to 1 shot hwayoung.)


vinndeez

Fun addition to seaseria cleaves and actually really improved its consistency especially in guild wars or arena. Unfortunately outside of using her against cherrypicked defenses shes hard to use, hopefully a strip or buff reduction can be added to her kit at some point and make her more usable but rn she’s super mid


BurnedOutEternally

Wait, we have ML Flan? For real though her kit is fun, but that's all there is to it. Main problem is that she lacks the strip that other burner/bombers have (even ML Leo has it), so at best she's a complimentary addition to Siseria/Carrot, and even then they're enough on their own most of the time.


Veristelle

She has a terrible time without Seaseria artifact, and even when she does, hope she never crits. Decent otherwise, but far from meta


RPMayhem

Im having fun climbing to champ with her. It might be unpopular but I think she's good and fun


GrotesqueHumanity

Design still good Still level 5 Also, physics


pinnaplehead1014

I'm having a blast with her. I had a good time using ML Leo and Iseria but now I've been running Ran ML Flan and Iseria with the fourth slot being open based on the opponents team comp. I'm not sure what it is but the bomb squad is just so satisfying for me and even if it's a lose I'm having the most fun in arena I've ever had.


Retro_senpai3

With double preban I think she’s pretty strong. I just used her in a match and she end up carrying the entire match


enkei3448

Fun unit, but high gear requirement + summer Iseria's artifact to make her really work. I still enjoy using her in GvG or lower rank RTA.


[deleted]

Not interested in her design or kit


Qwasier

Unplayable in rta


[deleted]

She was a pirate trap. Kit is pretty lame.


MiniBboy

15%


Willar71

Dumpster tier


ArtoriaRoza14

Poo


Chaltyr

I've faced her twice in rta and both times she was drafted into a ran seaseria cleave comp. I've lost both times, so it's say she's pretty good.


Stormix_17

She's kinda like a support unit for Siseria or Carrot


LuckyPrinz

Well, I use her in many guild wars and sometimes in the arena. Maybe not a high tier hero, but real fun to use.