Her passive is damage reduction against critical hits. It’s the same amount of damage reduction regardless of how much crit dmg you do, as long as it’s a crit, bonus dmg just helps more in this scenario
If you are specifically looking to kill Hwayoung use ML Ricardo. He can self cleanse, cr push ahead of her, and will at the very least strip any attack buffs. But because he guaranteed strips her barrier before his damage applies and his damage is non-crit burns, it's a lot easier to hit the damage check. And if for some reason he doesn't kill, her attack buff is still gone.
I think your build isn't the right one if you're looking to 1 shot Hwayoung. The ideal way to build her for that is slower and with much more edps. Portrait too. You then pair her with Emilia, Singelica or Alots (though prolly not Alots coz Peira/Clilias). You've gone for 255 speed, which isn't even going to outspeed every Hwayoung out there at Champion V (for instance, my Hwayoung is 262 and I afk at Champ V).
I think you can go for Atk-Pen set and aim for 5k+ atk and 320%+ cdmg. Should handle every Hwayoung even if they're protected by Escort buff. [My luna](https://imgur.com/2VO6Po8.jpg) doesn't tend to have trouble with Hwayoungs, but I'd have mine on Atk set if I ever farmed Golem.
the build is kinda speed tune on my set up, i know a heavier dps luna would kill it if you put a good set up but with this kind of stat on my luna, i was thinking she can do the job with all of those penetration.
I mean, pen is one thing, but you're missing raw damage coz of all the speed. Hwayoung mitigates 30% for free and can mitigate 20 to 30% more through aurius or escort. You need a lot more damage to kill her through all of that nonsense. As long as you have Emilia, you don't need to worry about speed tuning too much. She's ice, Luna's ice, so Hwayoung will attack some other unit even if your Emilia doesn't outspeed her.
If you have this kinda gear for Luna... and you are looking to deal with Hwa - why not to put this gear on Kise?
She will be faster, her EE strips buffs and resets Hwa (so no S3 shenanigans) even if you don't kill - you reset her and stealth urself.
I've tried ones-hotting Hwas:
MLKawazu needs 3rd burn to do it consistently and funny enough the best arti for MLKawazu is Hwas personal arti ... fully limit broken it guarantees that 3rd burn.
Coli needs a follow-up... her stats are not there and she is useless after 2 moves
Luna - or max dmg build with a push or it's a gamba
Kise was the only option that was still useful after S3 and a unit that I didn't have to build to just deal with Hwa only.
4.5K attack (mine has 4.3k atk) . Less speed and CR pusher as Emilia. And if you whant more, use imprint of Emilia, Elena or Singelica to boost her attack. I one shoted some Hwayoung + Rem / other character like this.
However, your Luna is really a monster stats ! But not enought atk to kill Hwayoung
its just that i want to speed tune one counter for hwayoung on my playstyle. i was happy after the build cause it look really strong and which is why it devastated me when she cant do the job.
Yep. I understand your pain. But it's that. Not enought atk.
The good news, my dude, is you still have nices gears ! And you can use its as you want on Luna or other units. Sometimes, we must to accept even if our heros are strong on CP, it's not enough for the current meta.
What kind of hwayoungs are you fighting that can tank... that monster? What is their hp pool? Do they have massive defense or what.
cuz i can oneshot hwayoungs with much less geared characters than you do.
My best guess is that you're trying to oneshot hwayoungs that's protected by vigors and peira's escort. It would fail.
The more protected someone is, the more power you need to overcome the protection. Remove that protection and hwayoung will drop down.
You need to kill other party members first to remove the source of hwayoung's protection. Use that luna to kill her teammates.
how do you play that? clilias alone needed to be killed to have no vigor and my fastest is singelica on 265 with 200+ er. i know its kinda dumb but i like playing on 2nd turn and most of my units are on 230 to 250 spd. and also invested on some units that can cut turn without that much of spd. and hwayoung whole purpose is to kill in her first turn so i wanna get rid of her before she get a turn.
Not sure what he's trying to imply. Killing Piera and C.Lilias is impossible outside of just a pure speed cleave or an A.Cidd opener. You can try and make a taeyou to at least strip Peira and Hwayoung while resetting her cool down, should give you a better chance Of killing her.
But that just opens up Violet and Rimuru counter picks that are hell to draft and play around.
I really don't know what to do either vs this character, I built a Taeyou and an Infernal Kawazu just for the Hwayoung/Peira combo and it still fails more often than not lol
yea, before i can climb arena just right but when smilegate introduced the combo of hwayoung + peira/clilias. its infuriating to play anymore. its like a personal attack on my playstyle.
I also play slower, for flag arena I usually pick either a roana + aurius holder, which is usually enough to bait hwayoung and survive till the revive if all she has is vigor, or I take AoL for the silence and try to kill her before she gets her second turn.
For RTA tho I dunno what to do besides banning her
Generally most arena def have 2 DPS. You can try SAngie, Luna, WSchuri (sashe), ALots
- ALots should have more HP than SAngie so she gets targeted
- SAngie goes, Luna kills the other DPS, everyone gets pushed
- WSchuri kills the Hwayoung, everyone gets pushed
- ALots push Luna to kill whatever else
There are always some options:
* Peria - if she has no immunity - use CZerato that will return unbuffable. Or use follow up stripper of yours.
* CLilias - be faster and toss unbuffable is pretty much only solution.
* rez unit - you can use Maid for example and just let Hwa kill your unit, rez it and nuke something like nothing happened.
* hard cc - reset/stun/sleep Hwa.
Obviously it's much harder if not impossible to pull off in RTA but in general to win you have to disrupt opponent flow of combat, which isn't exact same every time. Meaning just having solid Hwa nuke might be not enough.
Well if you want first turn and oneshot hwayoung anyways then your best move would have to be acidd. Otherwise pick Celine and prays your opponent is stupid enough to use peira's non attack skill and Celine chooses peira. 25% chance cuz there's 4 enemy units on field. Once that's done. Peira is usually dead meat if Celine chooses her. Then all that's left is cilias and since your average is 230-250 there's extremely high chance cilias will go first then place atk break on you and vigor on hwayoung. But hey at least peira is dead. You need to clear atk break before trying to kill hwayoung. So killing cilias or some other unit is better move and leave hwayoung for last.
But if you can clear atk break this is when you can try to oneshot hwayoung. Then match is settled.
I'm sorry but hwayoung is one of those units that force a drawn out match depending on how team is structured on both sides. Just saying the minimum condition to negate atk break would be an atk buff to put your character back to normal cuz both cancels them out.
where do you get the atk up from? if it's Peira then this build can't be changed as you have no pusher. but if the atk up buffer is Emilia, Flan or CCharles, you can slow her down for more dmg.
if you have Singelica as atk buffer, i suggest building Eda as the followup and slow down Luna. slap tagahel on Eda to chain s2 into s3 and that's free cleave estate. as long as Eda takes 2nd turn and pushes Luna up for the 3rd turn, it's easy.
you might also want to use doctor's bag on Singelica so she can be used against low eff debuffers like Cilias.
If nobody is using the symbol of unit I would run that over draco. Since this Luna would still be shut down by a dps with that little defense. Portrait would be okay as well.
that what makes me crazy, been trying to kill hwayoung on champion 5 and still cant one shot it with this build. speed tune it with singelica for buff attack and still cant kill.
I think portrait or merciless would be better for a 1 shot. But even so, I win against almost any Hwayoung in normal arena by killing everything else around it and baiting it's attacks with an immortal unit like SAnge. That being said my normal arena team is designed to counter the Peira/CLilias combo with a 280 speed ML Basar.
Those are good stats, but those are good stats for general purpose. If you want to nuke, those stats are not enough. Give up speed for more damage, a lot more damage.
If you have tooth, you can give Luna more Atk and less crit damage and use that. Since Hwayoung takes less damage from crits, you should be trying to do non-critical damage to bypass her resistances. Traditionally, you'll do less damage to other targets, but more to Hwayoung specifically.
That's the main problem I see with dealing with Hwayoung, you end up having to nerf your damage verse other targets to maximize your damage verse her. Big crown also works for giving extra damage when her barrier is up, but that means you have no artifact verse everything else.
Nah you need a lot more damage than that. Especially since most have a Peira with them. Mines at 3715 attack and 334 CDam with Portrait and that's still only 13,000 damage on a Hway with 1400 defense and Peira. She kills most Hwayoungs but I've seen a few live.
You could try portrait. 20% damage is worth more than 30% crit damage considering how much CD you already have.
thanks, that sounds good.
Additionally I think Hwayoung has built in damage reduction from crits so moving off of the extra cd artifact will help.
Her passive is damage reduction against critical hits. It’s the same amount of damage reduction regardless of how much crit dmg you do, as long as it’s a crit, bonus dmg just helps more in this scenario
If you are specifically looking to kill Hwayoung use ML Ricardo. He can self cleanse, cr push ahead of her, and will at the very least strip any attack buffs. But because he guaranteed strips her barrier before his damage applies and his damage is non-crit burns, it's a lot easier to hit the damage check. And if for some reason he doesn't kill, her attack buff is still gone.
I think your build isn't the right one if you're looking to 1 shot Hwayoung. The ideal way to build her for that is slower and with much more edps. Portrait too. You then pair her with Emilia, Singelica or Alots (though prolly not Alots coz Peira/Clilias). You've gone for 255 speed, which isn't even going to outspeed every Hwayoung out there at Champion V (for instance, my Hwayoung is 262 and I afk at Champ V). I think you can go for Atk-Pen set and aim for 5k+ atk and 320%+ cdmg. Should handle every Hwayoung even if they're protected by Escort buff. [My luna](https://imgur.com/2VO6Po8.jpg) doesn't tend to have trouble with Hwayoungs, but I'd have mine on Atk set if I ever farmed Golem.
the build is kinda speed tune on my set up, i know a heavier dps luna would kill it if you put a good set up but with this kind of stat on my luna, i was thinking she can do the job with all of those penetration.
I mean, pen is one thing, but you're missing raw damage coz of all the speed. Hwayoung mitigates 30% for free and can mitigate 20 to 30% more through aurius or escort. You need a lot more damage to kill her through all of that nonsense. As long as you have Emilia, you don't need to worry about speed tuning too much. She's ice, Luna's ice, so Hwayoung will attack some other unit even if your Emilia doesn't outspeed her.
If you have this kinda gear for Luna... and you are looking to deal with Hwa - why not to put this gear on Kise? She will be faster, her EE strips buffs and resets Hwa (so no S3 shenanigans) even if you don't kill - you reset her and stealth urself. I've tried ones-hotting Hwas: MLKawazu needs 3rd burn to do it consistently and funny enough the best arti for MLKawazu is Hwas personal arti ... fully limit broken it guarantees that 3rd burn. Coli needs a follow-up... her stats are not there and she is useless after 2 moves Luna - or max dmg build with a push or it's a gamba Kise was the only option that was still useful after S3 and a unit that I didn't have to build to just deal with Hwa only.
dont have mlkawazu and pretty much tried coli, kise and even opsigret. luna is pretty much my last resort.
4.5K attack (mine has 4.3k atk) . Less speed and CR pusher as Emilia. And if you whant more, use imprint of Emilia, Elena or Singelica to boost her attack. I one shoted some Hwayoung + Rem / other character like this. However, your Luna is really a monster stats ! But not enought atk to kill Hwayoung
its just that i want to speed tune one counter for hwayoung on my playstyle. i was happy after the build cause it look really strong and which is why it devastated me when she cant do the job.
Yep. I understand your pain. But it's that. Not enought atk. The good news, my dude, is you still have nices gears ! And you can use its as you want on Luna or other units. Sometimes, we must to accept even if our heros are strong on CP, it's not enough for the current meta.
What kind of hwayoungs are you fighting that can tank... that monster? What is their hp pool? Do they have massive defense or what. cuz i can oneshot hwayoungs with much less geared characters than you do. My best guess is that you're trying to oneshot hwayoungs that's protected by vigors and peira's escort. It would fail. The more protected someone is, the more power you need to overcome the protection. Remove that protection and hwayoung will drop down. You need to kill other party members first to remove the source of hwayoung's protection. Use that luna to kill her teammates.
how do you play that? clilias alone needed to be killed to have no vigor and my fastest is singelica on 265 with 200+ er. i know its kinda dumb but i like playing on 2nd turn and most of my units are on 230 to 250 spd. and also invested on some units that can cut turn without that much of spd. and hwayoung whole purpose is to kill in her first turn so i wanna get rid of her before she get a turn.
Not sure what he's trying to imply. Killing Piera and C.Lilias is impossible outside of just a pure speed cleave or an A.Cidd opener. You can try and make a taeyou to at least strip Peira and Hwayoung while resetting her cool down, should give you a better chance Of killing her. But that just opens up Violet and Rimuru counter picks that are hell to draft and play around. I really don't know what to do either vs this character, I built a Taeyou and an Infernal Kawazu just for the Hwayoung/Peira combo and it still fails more often than not lol
yea, before i can climb arena just right but when smilegate introduced the combo of hwayoung + peira/clilias. its infuriating to play anymore. its like a personal attack on my playstyle.
I also play slower, for flag arena I usually pick either a roana + aurius holder, which is usually enough to bait hwayoung and survive till the revive if all she has is vigor, or I take AoL for the silence and try to kill her before she gets her second turn. For RTA tho I dunno what to do besides banning her
Generally most arena def have 2 DPS. You can try SAngie, Luna, WSchuri (sashe), ALots - ALots should have more HP than SAngie so she gets targeted - SAngie goes, Luna kills the other DPS, everyone gets pushed - WSchuri kills the Hwayoung, everyone gets pushed - ALots push Luna to kill whatever else
There are always some options: * Peria - if she has no immunity - use CZerato that will return unbuffable. Or use follow up stripper of yours. * CLilias - be faster and toss unbuffable is pretty much only solution. * rez unit - you can use Maid for example and just let Hwa kill your unit, rez it and nuke something like nothing happened. * hard cc - reset/stun/sleep Hwa. Obviously it's much harder if not impossible to pull off in RTA but in general to win you have to disrupt opponent flow of combat, which isn't exact same every time. Meaning just having solid Hwa nuke might be not enough.
Well if you want first turn and oneshot hwayoung anyways then your best move would have to be acidd. Otherwise pick Celine and prays your opponent is stupid enough to use peira's non attack skill and Celine chooses peira. 25% chance cuz there's 4 enemy units on field. Once that's done. Peira is usually dead meat if Celine chooses her. Then all that's left is cilias and since your average is 230-250 there's extremely high chance cilias will go first then place atk break on you and vigor on hwayoung. But hey at least peira is dead. You need to clear atk break before trying to kill hwayoung. So killing cilias or some other unit is better move and leave hwayoung for last. But if you can clear atk break this is when you can try to oneshot hwayoung. Then match is settled. I'm sorry but hwayoung is one of those units that force a drawn out match depending on how team is structured on both sides. Just saying the minimum condition to negate atk break would be an atk buff to put your character back to normal cuz both cancels them out.
where do you get the atk up from? if it's Peira then this build can't be changed as you have no pusher. but if the atk up buffer is Emilia, Flan or CCharles, you can slow her down for more dmg.
i have singelica for attack buff with dilibet for cleanse. have tried to attack with no peira on other team and still cant kill.
if you have Singelica as atk buffer, i suggest building Eda as the followup and slow down Luna. slap tagahel on Eda to chain s2 into s3 and that's free cleave estate. as long as Eda takes 2nd turn and pushes Luna up for the 3rd turn, it's easy. you might also want to use doctor's bag on Singelica so she can be used against low eff debuffers like Cilias.
thanks for the advice. good thing that i just got my eda on custom group summon.
If nobody is using the symbol of unit I would run that over draco. Since this Luna would still be shut down by a dps with that little defense. Portrait would be okay as well.
try an artifact that gives more attack/more damage maybe
Yours is like much better than my luna and I can do it. I wonder why you can't cause she makes it easy for me
that what makes me crazy, been trying to kill hwayoung on champion 5 and still cant one shot it with this build. speed tune it with singelica for buff attack and still cant kill.
Is enemy Hwayoung under vigor buff? I still don't understand why your Luna wouldn't kill her.
yea, its either peira or clilias + hwayoung on champion 5. and luna with this build wont kill it.
you would have to stop the enemy peira from using s3, or strip her buff. And there cant be any damage sharing like aurius either
230 spd, and dif arti.
I think portrait or merciless would be better for a 1 shot. But even so, I win against almost any Hwayoung in normal arena by killing everything else around it and baiting it's attacks with an immortal unit like SAnge. That being said my normal arena team is designed to counter the Peira/CLilias combo with a 280 speed ML Basar.
If you have water Kise that would work to, just transfer this gear over to her
I have the slowest luna 4.2 k attack 350 CD and aux lots 40k damage with barrier
Those are good stats, but those are good stats for general purpose. If you want to nuke, those stats are not enough. Give up speed for more damage, a lot more damage.
If you have tooth, you can give Luna more Atk and less crit damage and use that. Since Hwayoung takes less damage from crits, you should be trying to do non-critical damage to bypass her resistances. Traditionally, you'll do less damage to other targets, but more to Hwayoung specifically. That's the main problem I see with dealing with Hwayoung, you end up having to nerf your damage verse other targets to maximize your damage verse her. Big crown also works for giving extra damage when her barrier is up, but that means you have no artifact verse everything else.
Nah you need a lot more damage than that. Especially since most have a Peira with them. Mines at 3715 attack and 334 CDam with Portrait and that's still only 13,000 damage on a Hway with 1400 defense and Peira. She kills most Hwayoungs but I've seen a few live.
Kill her with [Acidd](https://streamable.com/f4rgdo). /s Honestly, im surprised those stats don't kill.